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2k Monster Nids
« on: April 19, 2006, 12:10:01 PM »
As always, I enjoy making new lists, and ever since the new Dex came out I have always liked the possible idea of a large amount of TMCs etc., however I didn't want to go over the top and end up powergaming.

Anyway, I had a go at tryign to create as balanced a monster heavy Nid list I could, while keepign to the theme, so tell me what you think :).

Note - Part of the theme is the no less than 4+ Save (barring the Lictors of course), so please don't comment on the Extended Carapces on the 'Stealers, it's non-negotiable.



2k Monster Nids
HQ
Hive Tyrant
Venom Cannon
Scything Talons
=135pts

2 Tyrant Guard
=90pts

HQ=213pts

Elites
3 Lictors
=240pts

(x2) Carnifex
2 Twin-Linked Devourers
Enchanced Senses
=226pts (113/Carnifexl)

Elites=466pts

Troops
(x3) 8 Genestealers
Extended Carapaces
Flesh Hooks
=504pts (168/Brood)

(x2) 8 Genestealers
Extended Carapaces
Scything Talons
=384pts (192/Brood)

8 Genestealers
Extended Carapaces
=160pts

Troops=1048pts

HS
(x2) Carnifex
Scything Talons
Venom Cannon
Enchanced Senses
=272pts (136/Carnifex)

HS=272pts

Total=1999pts

Model Count=58



Opinions?

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« Last Edit: April 19, 2006, 12:11:13 PM by Makenshi »
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2006, 12:57:31 PM »
i enjoy making list aswell and i can honestly say yours looks quite good. i personally would prefer that tyrant being winged and pure cc but its your choice (if you do this you will have to knock off the guard so you could maybe afford a synapse zoan to babysit the fex's just incase) i like that you,ve multi tasked your carnis aswell, although +I and +WS (and possibly tusked) wouldnt do any harm. multi tasking 'fexs arent bad but a tyrant should always be decided where it wants to go imo.
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2006, 01:35:00 PM »
Multi-task Fex? You mean the Talon/Cannon, I took that for cheapness and so they can do a bit more damage in CC, but I will be mostly keeping them as ranged units. It's the same with the Tyrant, the Talons are cheap and they make him 'slightly' better in CC.

I was originally going to with a flyer Tyrant, but I prefer the idea of using my MCs as the walking firing platforms, while the (small) swarms of 'Stealers rush forward (I love Brood Telepathy :P) ahead of the army. I also considered 2 Tyrants (the one I have now + a Flyer), but then I remembered Lictors, who I have always loved (fluff and model-wise anyway).

I dislike CC Carnis, sure they look and feel cool, but I find them to be a waste, hence why I have taken none of the Adrenals, especially as I feel they arenn't worth it anyway.

Thanks for your comments :).

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« Last Edit: April 19, 2006, 01:36:01 PM by Makenshi »
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2006, 01:52:39 PM »
if your going to be keeping your 'fexs back then please lose the talongs and add barbed stranglers. for +24 points you can give them alot of extra firepower.
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2006, 01:55:35 PM »
if your going to be keeping your 'fexs back then please lose the talongs and add barbed stranglers. for +24 points you can give them alot of extra firepower.

I dislike the idea of paying a lot of points for conflicting Weapons, I'd rather specialise.

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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2006, 02:17:59 PM »
ap4 of the VC makes it good at toasting infantry aswell as tanks and s8 on strangler (and lack of the VC's glance only rule) makes it good at tank busting and infantry crunching. you can really called a shooty carnifex with talons specialised either can you?
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2006, 02:21:52 PM »
ap4 of the VC makes it good at toasting infantry aswell as tanks and s8 on strangler (and lack of the VC's glance only rule) makes it good at tank busting and infantry crunching. you can really called a shooty carnifex with talons specialised either can you?

Hmmm, good point, it probably wouldn;t be good against the heavy Tanks, but at light Tank Busting it'd add firepower to it. I may have to consider doing that more closely, although not sure how I'd pay for it, perhaps drop a few Stealers...

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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2006, 04:04:11 PM »
drop one carpace+talons stealer and i think you can get it
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2006, 04:14:23 PM »
Hmmm, if a Dropped a Lictor and the lone Genestaler Brood (the ones with only Carapace) I may be able to get a flying Tyrant and upgrade the Fex's with Stranglers...

However I'm not sure if spending les on my troops is wise, opinions?

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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2006, 05:28:51 PM »
sounds good to me, you still have a good stealer base and the mere presence of a flyrant should take alot of pressure off them
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2006, 07:03:52 PM »
I won't comment too much except to say that it really isn't worth making Carnifex fight in CC except against Necrons. They are the only race I'd suggest taking CC Fex against.

Looks pretty cool I'd say.

Me I like to give my shooty Tyrant lots of twin linked Devourers, but that's just personal preference, yours will do fine.
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2006, 10:03:15 AM »
Ok, made the second list, dropped 8 Stealers and a Lictor for a Flying Tyrant and Stranglers on the Fexs:



2k Monster Nids
HQ
Hive Tyrant
Venom Cannon
Scything Talons
=135pts

2 Tyrant Guard
=90pts

Hive Tyrant
Wings
2 Scything Talons
Psychic Scream
Adrenal Glands (Both)
Flesh Hooks
Toxin Sacs
Toxic Miasma
Symbiote Rippers
=184pts

HQ=397pts

Elites
2 Lictors
=160pts

(x2) Carnifex
2 Twin-Linked Devourers
Enchanced Senses
=226pts (113/Carnifexl)

Elites=466pts

Troops
(x3) 8 Genestealers
Extended Carapaces
Flesh Hooks
=504pts (168/Brood)

(x2) 8 Genestealers
Extended Carapaces
Scything Talons
=384pts (192/Brood)

Troops=888pts

HS
(x2) Carnifex
Barbed Strangler
Venom Cannon
Enchanced Senses
Toxin Sacs
=328pts (159/Carnifex)

HS=328pts

Total=1999pts

Model Count=50



Opinions?

EDIT - Heh, left a few points costs in, silly me ¬¬ . . .

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« Last Edit: April 20, 2006, 10:06:10 AM by Makenshi »
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2006, 01:19:09 PM »
i think your flyrant is a little pricey, he has more ws than should be needed and most things that can do decent demage to him are low I anyway. symbiote rippers are also a bit of a waste since hes alreayd 10 models and psycic scream works better when combined with thorpes (though i can see you want him to break things quick and run em down so do what you like)
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2006, 01:51:13 PM »
Most of that was point filling, as I didn;t want to muck around with the rest of the list to fill up the points ;).

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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2006, 01:56:06 PM »
Hmmmm, for your walking tyrant I might suggest dropping the scything talons and adding some twin-linked devourers. Doesn't make the cost go much higher and gives your second weapon slot more uses  :)
The winged Tyrant looks ok but agreed symbiot rippers won't help much, spychic scream is a nice touch to it though  ;)

Also, take the Toxin Sacs from the Carnifex with the VC/BS... it has no use what so ever, really.

Other than that, lots of luck mate  ;)
« Last Edit: April 20, 2006, 03:05:17 PM by Hybrid-9 »
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Re: 2k Monster Nids
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2006, 02:02:05 PM »
Also, take the Toxin Sacs from the Carnifex with the VC/BS... it has no use what so ever, really.

Damnit! I keep forgetting that Barbed Stranglers are only -1 with the new Dex ¬¬...

As I said, most of the upgrades on the Tyrant were for point fillers, although I may lower the cost on the Flyrant and add them to the walking Tyrant instead...

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« Last Edit: April 20, 2006, 02:05:36 PM by Makenshi »
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Because spamming the hotkey for a Deathknight's weapon in WoW is precisely the same as learning to use a sword in real life. That's why when Kendo grandmasters fight, they just stand there shouting keystroke combos at each other.

 


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