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Offline Alexander Falcorian

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Re: Unbeaten biel-tan army list.
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2003, 12:26:50 AM »
I'm not claiming it's unbeatable.... it just hasn't lost yet...  ;)  But I'm sure it will some day...

Anyhoo, it's faced just about every army and doesn't have a problem usually, there are enough Vypers and BL's to go around and destroy enemy tanks, so ordance hasn't really been a problem, and Leman Russ battle tanks are directfire and have to shoot the gaurdian screen.  And whirlwind's AP hasn't bothered me as I get my armour saves anyway.

This list functions under TVR and TAR just fine.

I play on a 6 foot by 4 foot table or in other words standard size.

Ahh, well good to know.  8)

However, I was 'talking' to the thread starter, mainly about his claim that Tau only get one round of shooting, making me think he plays on a small table without the TVR.  ;)
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Re: Unbeaten biel-tan army list.
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2003, 11:24:55 AM »
I'm not claiming it's unbeatable.... it just hasn't lost yet...  ;)  But I'm sure it will some day...

Anyhoo, it's faced just about every army and doesn't have a problem usually, there are enough Vypers and BL's to go around and destroy enemy tanks, so ordance hasn't really been a problem, and Leman Russ battle tanks are directfire and have to shoot the gaurdian screen.  And whirlwind's AP hasn't bothered me as I get my armour saves anyway.

This list functions under TVR and TAR just fine.

I play on a 6 foot by 4 foot table or in other words standard size.

Ahh, well good to know.  8)

However, I was 'talking' to the thread starter, mainly about his claim that Tau only get one round of shooting, making me think he plays on a small table without the TVR.  ;)

My bad ;)  and what you say makes sense.

As for shrine themed lists...

They are done very rarely due to the cost involved, and I have proxied the Scorpion shrine army and it does extremely well, even against power armour with the TAR and scorpions claw.  However they are very hard to do under the TVR but Scorps will still do fine if the exarchs have stealth and infiltrate is allowed.

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Re: Unbeaten biel-tan army list.
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2003, 05:00:56 PM »
Nothing to scary in these lists. Not enough troops to take the punch off missile launchers and battle cannons and not enough troops to deal with armoured fists and hellhounds breaking the line.

The dark reaper one is very nice though. It's just the thing I take a Callidus for...
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Re: Unbeaten biel-tan army list.
« Reply #23 on: September 4, 2003, 07:41:08 PM »
That kind of list makes me happy I have multiple squads of Hawks wich bomb your guardians and engage your reapers while my support troops speed up in WSs.
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Re: Unbeaten biel-tan army list.
« Reply #24 on: September 4, 2003, 09:06:22 PM »
Dark Elves could outmaneuver your transports,

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Re: Unbeaten biel-tan army list.
« Reply #25 on: September 4, 2003, 09:28:06 PM »
  The list could use a little more troops, maybe in the form of a gaurdian squad, but that just me, as I like my gaurdians, being an Ulthwe player.
  As to being unbeaten, good job, but it could be because your opponents don't understand tactics.  Remember, the army list won't win the game for you.  You have to have tactics, and some luck (dice rolls) to win.
  Both my Ulthwe lists (one Craftworld, one Strike Force) do quite well, but tactics are the main part.  My strike force is undefeated, and my regular lis has only lost thrice, both when I was starting out.

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Re: Unbeaten biel-tan army list.
« Reply #26 on: September 5, 2003, 04:54:56 AM »
You have way to many anti tank weapons man, give the vypers starcannons, they'll kill 5 or 6 marines a turn

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Re: Unbeaten biel-tan army list.
« Reply #27 on: September 5, 2003, 01:41:01 PM »
well... your armies are built on some fundamental B-T templates (that's not bad).

you're going to run into problems against troop heavy nids and orks, maybe even a kroot army (which, trust me, you don't want to lose to).  I also think a troop necron army is going to give you troubles.  You might have had success against these armies, but I'd wager those armies weere built with big targets or vehicles.

Starcannons and scatter lasers AND EMLs are missing.  You've got a fearful amount of anti-tank, however your weapon choices, IMO, are out of balance.

I also believe there is a chunk of wargear sitting on that army.  I don't doubt the choices you made with this regard, but I think you might need to play down some of those options in favor of extra troops (the mainstay of any B-T army).

I'll try to give you an example here: lets say you put everything in serps (good choice for a B-T army), however at a low pt list transports are eating up your list.. and yeah you need to move up fast and they do kill stuff with their tl-weapons.  If you take out two of those transports you'll be looking at ~230 pts, which in a 1000-1500 pt army can give you much better options in some cases.  *MY* answer to this dilemma would be to try to use terrain to the best of my ability and pick up some more troops.

Remember, yes, you are limited by the points, but so is your opponent.  If they take that land raider (and they very much might do that) that's a chunk of their points.  Putting a WL w/ a BL to the task of decoying the LR, while some scorps run forward... will probably result in the WL taking a wound or two and the scorps haywiring an unmoved LR.  Sure you take some wounds on the WL, but the haywires on the scorps cost significantly less than a serpent (which gave you the points to buy those haywires and another WL).

I don't mean to sound patronizing (if I sound that way)... I'm just trying to give you a different prespective.

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