Topic: ::)most shooty?????????????

[Nids848]

who would be the most shootiest army out of, eldar (ulthwe), IG, Orks, or Tau? thanx! bye

[Zarathustra]

well ive never played tau, and theyre supposed to be pretty shooty, but ill go with ig, but keep in mind i havent played that many different armies

[DeadSeraphim]

Heh, actually I've not played IG, but from the ones that I DO have experience with, Tau are the shootiest.

So I'd say it probably comes down to Tau or IG.

[Karei]

Its kind of hard to answer te question of Tau/IG, mostly because they are shooty in somewhat different ways.  IG has more in the line of heavy weapons and templates, and are almost as tissue paper in close combat...

on the other hand, the tau have better squad weapons and, if they are used right, are better at delivering their heavy weapons where they need to be...

Its a tough call... I'll go with Tau... (I haven't fought too many IG, so this might bias my decision)

[Greg]

I have used Tau and Guard a lot. In my experience Tau are to be better against the 'lighter' enemy. Nids, Orks, Guard and Dark Eldar. IG have more access to armour piercing weaponry. Personally I think guard are better, infantry are half the price, same BS and can have more bigger guns. Better against marines, chaos, Eldar, Necrons, sisters. Other than the railgun most tau weponry is quite short range. Tau are more mobile, battlesuits are key to any good Tau army but are expenise points cost so you do not get many.

Look at the Facts:

Tau Have the following AP3 AP2 AP1 weaponry;

Heavy Support Only
x3 Broadside teams of 3. Railguns. 630pts
Ion Cannon (You can only get 3 per army)

Fusion Blaser (Its a meltagun)- guard have those
Plasma Rilfe (Its a plasmagun) - guard have those too

Overview.
Ordanance weaponry kicks ass. Guard rule the firepower top spot.

[Disno]

IG thy are the most shooty how many assult IG have you ever seen, tau ive seen tau with lots and lots of kroot so with tau youcould go none shooty if you wanted to but with IG i think you have to go shooty  

[Entropy]

lol. kroot simply dont work against my beloved chaos. we have same strength, but i have the armour, we have same attacks (assuming im using marines with cc weapons) but i get the toughness, i have leadership, they have that rule about not folowing up etc etc. oh and i get the initive. cant remember the cost of a kroot, but a chaos marine with cc weapons is 15 points. so... tau cc? yeahhh.... ogryns and rough riders are nastier (ok im not sure about the rough riders)  

[Tobab816]

Charlie: Kroot are but 7 points and if you have 9 Chaos marines, then he has 20 Kroot for the same points. I've seen Kroot defeat all sorts of Chaos assultspecialists. Everything from Death Guard to Berzerkers to regular Chaos marines. Ofcourse they have to stick in cover(and rapidfire instead). You have to remember that Kroot are not only more powerful than IG in close combat...but also shootier than regular IG as I think that the Kroot rifle is better than the Boltgun..overall.

But I'd say IG are more shooty..but less mobile. Far more Ordonance, heavy weapons and stuff.

[Warlord Fragskull]

Tau and IG     ?
All of you know that the orks are the shootiest   !
But seriously the orks have a couple nice weapons, that if armed by someone with a better BS could be devastating.
1. Zzap gun- auto hit, 2D6 str., 2D6 penitration what's not to like. Can you say Tank Hunter?
2. Can have just about any SM or IG weapons with the looted tanks or lootas.
3. Kustom jobs- for 9 points you can give your boss' slugga or shoota str. 5, Assualt 2, and the capability to cause no save to 3+ & 2+ armor.
4. Rokkits and Big shootas- a assault 1 krak missle and a assualt 3 burst cannon with 36" range.
5. Burna- it's a flamer. No, it's a power weapon. No, it's a burna!

[Greg]

It comes very much down to who your adversary is. Eldar with all those starcannons are unmatched by any other army when dealing with marines and chaos. Though we might say Guard have more firepower overall thean Tau, because of their more versitile big guns, if Tau were to fight Guard they should win as they have the majority of AP5 pulse weapons to deal with all the infantry, and the railguns to deal with their tanks. I have seen it done and once those russes are done with the Tau firewarriors slaughter the infantry. KILLS on 2+!
Lets not forget the marines, they can field a nasty array of weaponry too and are much harder than tau and guard, Lascannons, heavy bolters, demolishes and whirlwhinds as well as trust bolter fire combined with that power armour means business. As well as dishing it out you have to be able to take it back remember! NECRONS TOO. Anything with a save of 4+ or worse is in for it. Just about everyinging can fire on the move, and they are even harder than marines. They do however lack AP3 and AP2 weaponry. Making them awasom against guard, but poorer against marines.

I could go on,but the point is each army is more directed to dealing with a certain type of foe.

[Tobab816]

Greg: Marines kinda have ALOT of trouble against the guard due to that S8 AP3 Ordonance Battle Cannon.

Now that one is THE marinekiller. Takes out footsoldiers, Commanders and you name it, in one blast.

[Greg]

Very true, a well placed battle cannon will pummel standing marines. You can have 3 battle cannons, a marine squad usually has about 5 men in it after scattering you should kill 3 or 4 with any luck. The number of starcannons you can get in an eldar army is frightening. Just to be extreeme, 9 walkers with 2 starcannons, maybee guide. 54 shots kills on 2's. in a 1000point game with a few guardians to fill troops.

If it cam eto the crunch, mass starcannon with outwight 3 gurad tanks and infantry. They kill 3 marines squads PER TURN!

[BrightStar]

simple answer: TAU TAU TAU TAU TAU TAU you get teh picture.  In almost all the games Ive played against them, my poor IG have been wiped almost to a man against an army of 30+ fire warriors.  Not plesant.

[Tobab816]

Brightstar: Now you arn't being fair. Tau are practicly DESIGNED to take out IG. Rifles that knock foottroopers on 2+ and allows no save and Railguns that cuts through the tanks easier than pie.

No, compare the both of them when the are:

1. Fighting Orks
2. Fighting Marines

[Mirehn Bielann]

I think it is a matter of stile you play your army. No army can shoot on the advance like eldar can. Almost all eldar units shoot as good on the advance as they shoot stationary. ( well Gave Thorpe did do one thing good )
Tau kan also shoot when on the advance, but can only outshoot eldar when they stand still. IG just CAN'T move. It must be boring like hell (sorry IG players!!) to deploy your troops shoot with them and hope they never have to use their flashlights . With marines you can field a powerfull shooting force, but this makes missions hard for them!! putting mobile marine units in your army often restricts your option for fire power more then in other armies. Players who want to play an ork shooty don't understand the ork fluff ( quote from ork codex: "Ork barbarity is also highly entertaining in itself. If you want a straight laced army that takes itself seriously try the eldar or sisters" = Don't play that way with orks it is just not ment to be!!) Chaos marines have strong shooting capacities ( thousand sons etc...) but we will have to wait for the new codex to judge them!

[MPC]

in a 2k pt army i think it is possible to fit 33 starcannons...
as for IG they are the most shooty but opposed to tau their BS is a problem. IG means you depend on luck more than most, since the gaurd rely on ordnance quite a bit and when only 3 vehicles are the bulk of ones firepower, a couple bad dice rolls can end the game. Another argument for a troop heavy guard army i guess.

[MartianNature]

It'd be nice to see the Tau have access to more Ordnance stuff in the future...  

[Tobab816]

Nah...the Tau lack of ordonance is what even things out.

[Farseer Lael]

In my experience, I deffaintly can't go toe to toe with IG or Tau shooting wise. They just have too many longer range guns.

Against orcs though is a different story  

[MartianNature]

Nah...the Tau lack of ordonance is what even things out.

You're probably right, but it doesn't have to be str 10 ap 2 stuff like the rest of their heavy guns