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2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« on: June 9, 2005, 08:46:18 AM »
Well I'm bored and thought I'd make some Army Lists, as always I like to theme them and one I did recently for SMurfs (which I intend starting) was an all infantry infiltrating army, so I thought I'd do a Chaos version too ;).

2k[/b]

HQ[/b]
Chaos Lord
Kai Gun
Terminator Armour
Lightning Claw
Daemonic Strength
Bionics (This is pretty much mandatory, since I'm using the IW rules ;))
=150pts

HQ=150pts

E[/b]
4 Chosen Terminators
Lightning Claws
1 Reaper Autocannon
=184pts

5 Chosen Terminators
Lightning Claws
1 Reaper Autocannon
Aspiring Champion w/ Daemonic Strength And Mutation
=250pts

(x2) Obliterator
=140pts (70/Obliterator)

E=574pts

T[/b]
(x2) 8 Chaos Space Marines
Infiltrate
Move Through Cover
2 Plasma Guns
=328pts (164/Unit)

(x3) 8 Chaos Space Marines
Infiltrate
Missile Launcher
Plasma Gun
=468pts (156/Unit)

T=796pts

HS[/b]
(x2) 8 Havocs
Infiltrate
Tank Hunters
4 Missile Launchers
=480pts (240/Unit)

HS=480pts

Total=2000pts

Model Count

Terminator Armour (Inc. Oblits.)=12

Power Armour=56

Total=78

Opinions? It's been a while since I looked at my Chaos Dex, let alone played/made an army list, hence I'm probably a bit rusty on some of the rules (damn coplicated Chaos rules rife with confusion *shakes fist angrily*)

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« Last Edit: June 9, 2005, 08:50:27 AM by Makenshi, The White Cloud »
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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #1 on: June 9, 2005, 12:31:14 PM »
im sorry but why have you bothered to call iron warriors their is nothing IW about it infact you will be better doing it alpha legion and get infiltrate for cheeper


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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #2 on: June 9, 2005, 01:07:16 PM »
im sorry but why have you bothered to call iron warriors their is nothing IW about it infact you will be better doing it alpha legion and get infiltrate for cheeper

Obliterators, Siege Specialists, and if I made a bigger list more Havocs would become a part of.

It's also to prove a point that IW can be themed beyond lots and lots of tanks with little to no troops, which is the powergaming that gave them a bad name and the idea of which drove me away from starting them long ago (I was warned people would cry cheese).

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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #3 on: June 9, 2005, 01:14:35 PM »
I don't think it proves a very good point, IW are meant to be played very heavy support, if you want to do other things just use another legions, if you want to use obliterators just use them in a sqaud instead. Siege specialist isn't really that great.
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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #4 on: June 9, 2005, 01:17:58 PM »
I don't think it proves a very good point, IW are meant to be played very heavy support, if you want to do other things just use another legions, if you want to use obliterators just use them in a sqaud instead. Siege specialist isn't really that great.

I know, but I'd rather the Oblits seperate, and the infiltrating seige destroying too, it'll rarely come in handy but it's fluffy and themed (which is my priority), I had planned to have more havocs but went agaisnt it as I needed a solid core.

IW are about heavy firepower, the list I have there is heavy firepower, it just isn't on tanks.

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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #5 on: June 9, 2005, 01:20:33 PM »
But wudn't you rather optimize the damage and effectiveness by including some tanks, especially the basilisk ::). Terminators are not cost efficient you could increase your damage output many times over if you switched out those termies for tanks or more havocs.
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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #6 on: June 9, 2005, 01:23:01 PM »
But wudn't you rather optimize the damage and effectiveness by including some tanks, especially the basilisk ::).

No, I don't play to win, I play to have fun and to theme lists, like this one.

Terminators are not cost efficient you could increase your damage output many times over if you switched out those termies for tanks or more havocs.

Nope, I don't want tanks, that's the point of having an all infantry army. I could switch out the Termies but they are my only CC and counter-attacking force and I would rather keep them, I also like Terminators.

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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #7 on: June 9, 2005, 01:26:19 PM »
yeh i agree with you i like termies too, but i mean you have to admit tanks are fun too, to theme something towards iron warriors you need the tanks, come on you have to agree just foot slogging around with troops is just plain lame. And one more point i find that iron warriors seem to have a large number of troops compared to other chaos armies.
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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #8 on: June 9, 2005, 01:32:52 PM »
yeh i agree with you i like termies too, but i mean you have to admit tanks are fun too

Actually no, I don't like tanks, that's why I didn't choose them and went for the exact opposite.

to theme something towards iron warriors you need the tanks

*Nerves twitch*

You do NOT need tanks in Iron Warriors, look at the above lsit? Is it Iron Warriors? Yes. Does it have tanks? No.

I am fed up with people who say IW have to have tanks, that is one of the reasons I made this list, I've made a simialr one before, but without termies and lots of havocs, I proxied it and got slaughtered through lack of counter-attacking, hence the Termies.

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come on you have to agree just foot slogging around with troops is just plain lame.

*Eye twitch* No, an army full of powergamign cheese Warriors armed to the brim in tanks with two 5 man squads is lame.

I chose to make this list because I like all infantry, I chose to not include tanks, I chose to do this because I like to theme things, I like to be original, I don't like tanks and to show Iron Warriros don;t always have to have tanks.

And one more point i find that iron warriors seem to have a large number of troops compared to other chaos armies.

Usually the opposite due to the amount of armour they have.

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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #9 on: June 9, 2005, 01:43:38 PM »
Most iron warrior army lists i have seen have at least 3 sqauds of marines and as i said before if you want an army that is troop based go for a different legion what is the point in not using an army the best that it can be (yes i did hear you its 'fun' :-\) Have you tried that army list before? do you think it will be fun when you get battered? (sorry last ditch attempt cause i am losing this argument)
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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #10 on: June 9, 2005, 01:51:13 PM »
Look, I've said it time and time again and I simply wont argue this anymore, if you can't understand the fact that I would rather not have tanks and would rather have all infantry IW then don't bother posting. I have explained it too many times and you haven't understood so I doubt explaining it anymore will help.

My previosu army lsot because it had no counter-attackers, this one does, the Termies,

Now, any comments on the list itself?

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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #11 on: June 9, 2005, 01:58:45 PM »
Most iron warrior army lists i have seen have at least 3 sqauds of marines and as i said before if you want an army that is troop based go for a different legion what is the point in not using an army the best that it can be (yes i did hear you its 'fun' :-\) Have you tried that army list before? do you think it will be fun when you get battered? (sorry last ditch attempt cause i am losing this argument)

40k is a game. If the only way to enjoy is to win, I want no part in it. Luckily, it isn't, so I'll play.

He already said he had played this list in proxies without terminators and with more havocs. he learnt the lesson and came here to ask for critiques of his refined list.

BTW, Kudos to Makenshi for not putting tanks in. It's amazing how many people instantly think "TANKS" when they see IW and forget the fluff.
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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #12 on: June 9, 2005, 02:00:37 PM »
do you think it will be fun when you get battered? (sorry last ditch attempt cause i am losing this argument)

do you only have fun when you're winning something?  man, if so, i'd hate to see you with in a relationship.  it'd be over before it started.

Iron Warriors are not a tank army.  if they were, they'd have a list similar to the IG armoured company list.  They're a legion that believes that through human hands and not daemon hands, they will succeed, and that through superior firepower they will crush their foes.  what you dont understand is that a basilisk at 125 points (who doesnt get indirect fire on those things?) can be destroyed on the first turn before it gets a chance to fire.  a marine squad cant without significant effort.  plus, marines can fight in close combat, basilisks cant.  for 125 points, you can get 8 marines with a heavy bolter.  that unit can put out just as much damage against non-power-armoured enemies, usually even twice as much as the basilisk if the other guy positioned his troops right.
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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #13 on: June 9, 2005, 02:07:21 PM »
Ok, so, I haven't been on in a while, and I'm pretty sure it's guys like this that made me leave.

I'm pretty sure it's been said enough, but Makenshi does not (yes, does not) want tanks in this list..Why?  Because he's trying to prove that Iron Warrirors don't need tanks to start with.  He basically told you the same thing four times...I think I'd get the point, but, each to his own.

And you think three squads of marines is a lot of marines?  You need some help, seriously.  And I can't help but agree with Samdan on his points about Basilisks...they suck.  Really, they do.  They'll die first or second turn, and there's 125 points down the drain.

It sounds like you are a powergamer who plays to win, and that's it.  If that's the case, man, there's no amount of argueing that can help you.



Now, on the the list:

Meh, it's actually pretty good.  The only thing I don't like is the Kai Gun on the lord (I just don't like them) and the Plasma Guns in the Marine squads (I mean, two in a squad?  Be more creative ;)).

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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #14 on: June 9, 2005, 02:41:41 PM »
     I like the list Makenshi, I'll have to try somthing like this in the future. My main cancern is that you should have some more troops, giveing them a champoin with strength and powersword/powerfist is useually really good. I'd take out one of the terminator squads and get another troop and arm the troops with champions, also bolster the one remaining terminator squad to have 6 guys so you can take 2 of the yummy auto cannons.
   I don't like what I'm hearing about Iron warriors needing tanks. Whats with that? You can do just as well without them (you see tyranids, they have no tanks and they do good) Hell, my tanks are always destroyed right away always and I think I'll do some non tank battle just for fun, as that is what this game is about,winning is just a perk.
   About the baslisk. I personally like mine as it has never let me down (except one game agenst nid's were it killed more blowing up then shooting.) But by no way should you need to take one. I have not taken one in my last few games and I'm doing just as well.(which means not really winning,but close ;)).

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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #15 on: June 9, 2005, 02:57:32 PM »
My problem is by getting rid of the other Termie squad I only have one counter-attacking unit, which wont cut it. I could drop the thrid ML/PG Troop Choice but that'd be overkill and I'd have many points left over...

The Kai Gun just seemed right for a shooty leader.

And plasma suites the static firepower.

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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #16 on: June 9, 2005, 03:04:10 PM »
    I like the kai-gun, very nasty vs AR3+ and I'm a big fan of the duel plasma (though I put mine in rino's Muh hha ha haha). Perhapes you could include talon weilding possessed instead of some termis for counter attack. You can include more and they can be just as nasty, if not even more so as they have a much larger range of targets (anything from grot->landraider) and S5 and invunrele is alos great. And they can be IW fluffy with chainsaw arms (like what I did).
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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #17 on: June 9, 2005, 03:13:27 PM »
    I like the kai-gun, very nasty vs AR3+ and I'm a big fan of the duel plasma (though I put mine in rino's Muh hha ha haha). Perhapes you could include talon weilding possessed instead of some termis for counter attack. You can include more and they can be just as nasty, if not even more so as they have a much larger range of targets (anything from grot->landraider) and S5 and invunrele is alos great. And they can be IW fluffy with chainsaw arms (like what I did).

O.o, I liek that idea, mecha-possesed.

I think I'll try making a list with them in it instead.

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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #18 on: June 9, 2005, 04:26:13 PM »
im so goner get had with this, but you people have gone so oftopic with this argument to the point were you all have to put into place so see the point that actualy being made,

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I'm sorry but why have you bothered to call iron warriors their is nothing IW about it infact you will be better doing it alpha legion and get infiltrate for cheaper

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I know, but I'd rather the Oblits separate, and the infiltrating siege destroying too, it'll rarely come in handy but it's fluffy and themed (which is my priority), I had planned to have more havocs but went against it as I needed a solid core.

IW are about heavy firepower, the list I have there is heavy firepower, it just isn't on tanks.

OK for a start you cant have your "Oblits" in separate squads because you've gone and got 2 squads of termies so rule wise you'd would be in the wrong, if you ever decided to do it. or are you putting one squad of termies with the lord as a retinue so why don't you mark that properly in your post. God that just drives me nuts

once again if you want "infiltrating siege destroying" get Alpha Legion and save your self  66 points by paying for Siege specialists and the reduced cost of infiltrating you get by being in alpha legion.

as far as fluff is concerned, it seems to me that you cant think of your own so are jacking the story of the iron warriors, with the adding twist of
"they don't really, stay in fortifications cut of from the rest of the group isolated and hold off the attack, instead they go and hide in bushes around the enemy so they can jump out and then not move the rest of that game because we have heavy weapons"

as far as a themed fluff, why don't you go with, an alpha legion base which theams on the lines, of
"we be very infiltraty cos we like attacking from motiple angels with what ability, but not only that we have special Ninga style and carry C4 against bunkers, and tippy toey when in minefield"
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It's also to prove a point that IW can be themed beyond lots and lots of tanks with little to no troops, which is the powergaming that gave them a bad name

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No, an army full of powergamign cheese Warriors armed to the brim in tanks with two 5 man squads is lame.

so let me get this strate you try to save a reputation of an army which you yet openly admit that is "an army full of powergamign cheese Warriors armed to the brim in tanks is lame"

so now not only have you stolen a chunk of fluff because you cant make your own, and made a complet mockery of, but now you tell us you hate the fluff anyway.

Grats you have been vertu-slapped, in support of the incereassed need of cyber fighting

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My previous army lost because it had no counter-attackers, this one does, the Termies,

with iron warrior you laydown high firepower support and do not depend on counter attack but only a few options of high defense units like some obblits, possessed, supped up demon lords and CSM.
you got chewed up because you made the "lame" list that did properly compensate for this weakness. END OF STORY

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do you only have fun when you're winning something?  man, if so, I'd hate to see you with in a relationship.  it'd be over before it started.

I'm sorry but when was their a need you to express the lack of appreciation you get for actually getting a girl, omg has the world gone MAD that us 40k players are such geeks yet still can get girls,YAY

sadhvikv is only pointing out that the reason this guy has posted a wannaB IW armylist is Because he couldn't make a real one and got all sad about it, not that constant winning is the only way.

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Basilisks...they suck.  Really, they do.  They'll die first or second turn, and there's 125 points down the drain.

I'm so upset as well because rattling snipers get tuned up every time i send them into close combat,
lets see basilisk is a long range artillery piece that specialises in long rage support far behind friendly lines, so what the hell is it doing in the open that it gets shot first-second turn. think about what it says in the fluff, seeing as that happens to be the one thing driving people nuts here, hell join the party




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Re: 2k Iron Warriors Rules (All Infantry)
« Reply #19 on: June 9, 2005, 05:10:44 PM »
im so goner get had with this, but you people have gone so oftopic with this argument to the point were you all have to put into place so see the point that actualy being made,

Until you came along and started this up again we had actually gotten back on topic.

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I'm sorry but why have you bothered to call iron warriors their is nothing IW about it infact you will be better doing it alpha legion and get infiltrate for cheaper

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I know, but I'd rather the Oblits separate, and the infiltrating siege destroying too, it'll rarely come in handy but it's fluffy and themed (which is my priority), I had planned to have more havocs but went against it as I needed a solid core.

IW are about heavy firepower, the list I have there is heavy firepower, it just isn't on tanks.

OK for a start you cant have your "Oblits" in separate squads because you've gone and got 2 squads of termies so rule wise you'd would be in the wrong, if you ever decided to do it. or are you putting one squad of termies with the lord as a retinue so why don't you mark that properly in your post. God that just drives me nuts

And you two a driving me nuts. It doesn't matter how many Chosen you take they take up ONE Elite slot. Also only the bodyguards can be 4 man, the others are minimum 5. And finally they;re an Elite choice, hence why they're in the ELITE section.

once again if you want "infiltrating siege destroying" get Alpha Legion and save your self  66 points by paying for Siege specialists and the reduced cost of infiltrating you get by being in alpha legion.

I'd rather not, I'm happy with IW for the reasons I have stated many a time.

as far as fluff is concerned, it seems to me that you cant think of your own so are jacking the story of the iron warriors, with the adding twist of
"they don't really, stay in fortifications cut of from the rest of the group isolated and hold off the attack, instead they go and hide in bushes around the enemy so they can jump out and then not move the rest of that game because we have heavy weapons"

WTF? When did I say they hide in bushes? You want flipping fluff? THe idea I have for these is they are direct protagonists of the Cladnestine guard, the SMurf army I based them on. They adopt simialr tactics to annoy the Clandestine Guard and deliberatelty try to undermine all their work in fortifying palces.

as far as a themed fluff, why don't you go with, an alpha legion base which theams on the lines, of
"we be very infiltraty cos we like attacking from motiple angels with what ability, but not only that we have special Ninga style and carry C4 against bunkers, and tippy toey when in minefield"
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It's also to prove a point that IW can be themed beyond lots and lots of tanks with little to no troops, which is the powergaming that gave them a bad name

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No, an army full of powergamign cheese Warriors armed to the brim in tanks with two 5 man squads is lame.

so let me get this strate you try to save a reputation of an army which you yet openly admit that is "an army full of powergamign cheese Warriors armed to the brim in tanks is lame"

No, I want to proove not all IW armies are like that, I have encountered many IW players who have suffered because of the 'Cheese' they get accused of just by playing who they are. it is the powergamers I dislike, and both you and sadhvikv sound and act liek powergamers to me.

so now not only have you stolen a chunk of fluff because you cant make your own, and made a complet mockery of, but now you tell us you hate the fluff anyway.

Grats you have been vertu-slapped, in support of the incereassed need of cyber fighting

Wow, your intelligence knows no bound doesn't it ::).

I can come up with fluff and do, id di not 'steal' IW fluff, their basic playing style fitted the general ideas i have, I haven't got anythign concrete about them but I'm starting to get more ideas on them. That is how the fluff works.


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My previous army lost because it had no counter-attackers, this one does, the Termies,

with iron warrior you laydown high firepower support and do not depend on counter attack but only a few options of high defense units like some obblits, possessed, supped up demon lords and CSM.
you got chewed up because you made the "lame" list that did properly compensate for this weakness. END OF STORY

Once again you show your vast amount of wit an intelligelectual superiority by using the ever so childish END OF STORY.

News flash! They aren't Iron Warriros, they use their rules, that's it.

sadhvikv is only pointing out that the reason this guy has posted a wannaB IW armylist is Because he couldn't make a real one and got all sad about it, not that constant winning is the only way.

And I have pointed out time and time again this is how I want to play the damn army list, you can't dictate how I write my list, if I want to use the IW rules to represent these guys then I will. I make lists for fun, I have god knows how many books full of army lists I've amde because I enjoy making them. It's people like you who sap all the joy out of 40k.

Now then, I'm fed up of stating this so I'll put this clearly.

I am using the Iron Warriros Rules because I feel they will suite the ideasd I have better than any other of the rule sets, I do not have to have tanks of any sort, nor do I need to do what Iron Warriros usually do.

~MTWC
Quote from: IainC
Because spamming the hotkey for a Deathknight's weapon in WoW is precisely the same as learning to use a sword in real life. That's why when Kendo grandmasters fight, they just stand there shouting keystroke combos at each other.

 


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