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Title: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on December 15, 2004, 06:21:46 AM
Swearing and abusive language.

to start by quoting the rules

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  a) Please do not use racist slurs, prejudiced comments, profanity, or derogatory statements.

  b) Swearing is censored to the best of our efforts, but your co-operation is of utmost importance in these matters.

  c) Evading the censor by adding asterisks, or purposefully misspelling words to evade the censor is considered a higher offence than swearing normally, do not do this.
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Our community consists of players of all ages and from all walks of life, and that includes teenagers, and even some pre-teens. That said, we would like to see less swearing on our boards, including: @#%$, pissing, tuna melt, Oh Sh*t, F**k the questions, WTF, etc. Sure, these are 'acceptable' words (because they are censored) and some even said on TV, but it doesn't mean they're right. 


And to clarify.

This site is for gamers, and gamers come in all sizes. The oldest are really old (geezers) while the youngest have hardly gotten through their first grades in school. This is why we do not allow abusive or offensive language, not to upset anyone. This also includes racial and sexists slurs, as they are aimed at hurting people. Also posting personal attacks is unacceptable. If you disagree with someone; fine. You can disagree as much as you want to, but you can’t resort to personal attacks against the person you are disagreeing with.

It is just not the way to resolve anything.


We want this to be a pleasant place for everyone, but some people resort to abusive language as they run out of proper things to say. This is where we, as a Community, must do something. There are two basic things and a helper for this.
1. Do not use, encourage the use of, or provoke anyone by using abusive language. If anyone is swearing at you it does not grant you leave to do the same back. You are just stooping to a lower level, and your offense will be the same. There is no "But he started it!"-defence here. Just control yoruself.
2. If you see anyone using abusive language, or feel that you have been slurred unjustly (in most cases it is unjustly) then, instead of commenting and biting back, use the "Report to moderator"-button at the bottom of the post. This will notify the moderator on watch, and the offender will be handled according to the severity of the breach of rules he/she/it committed.

The helper is an auto-censor that constantly sweeps the boards looking for abusive language and censoring it. This is not ancroaching on your freedom of speech, as you have agreed to follow the rules when you sign up here, and the rules prohibit the use of abusive language. You will be cencored; it is automatic, and your post will look like utter garbage, since the censor is not a nice thing. It doesn't care if you are swearing because you feel entitled to it, or just flaming away at someone because you have run out of things/arguments/proper comments. It will censor you anyway.


Now you are aware of this, and if you have any questions or comments please feel free to either respond here or PM me, and I will answer as best I can.
Thank you for your time.


Addendum: - Incidentally, to view profanity in all it's glory (i.e turn off the auto-censor for viewing posts) you need to access your Profile (button is at the top of the page) and click on the Look and Layout Preferences option in the left sidebar. Check the 'Leave Words Uncensored' box to turn off the censor. Note this only applies to you viewing posts, other people with the option still off will always see your swear words censored still. This option ensures that if you like swearing, you can have it without upsetting those people who do not like it. - Lom  ;)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Wurzelmaniac on December 15, 2004, 09:18:37 AM
I preferred the old "[I swear too much]" system myself but the new one's pretty funny ;D

Don't worry, I'm not going to abuse this one like I did last time.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Jonik on December 15, 2004, 03:19:11 PM
Though if you do not like the censor system, there is an option to turn it off in your profile the last time I looked...
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Pat Khils on December 15, 2004, 06:27:36 PM
Hmmmm i understand the abusive part, but what if someone just slipped a "non-fighting" word in their statement.  Would that still be considered an offence? even if it's not targeted at anyone?

I'm just asking out of curiosity, not of want to express myself in vulgar language.  :)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dark Flame on December 16, 2004, 12:34:09 AM
  Well, I'd imagine you'd want to avoid it if you could.  Anyway, I like the new swearing censors.  They'll likely make for some interesting posts in the future.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on December 16, 2004, 04:22:53 AM
Hmmmm i understand the abusive part, but what if someone just slipped a "non-fighting" word in their statement. Would that still be considered an offence? even if it's not targeted at anyone?

I'm just asking out of curiosity, not of want to express myself in vulgar language. :)
   The differene is to use a word to express an opinion forcefully, and to use the same word just to be abusive. We might tolerate the former, but will never tolerate the latter. The censor, however, never casres eitherwhichway, it just hacks the words to pieces.
   Basically don't swear, because if you do you are treading a very fine line. Sometimes you might be in the clear, but there is no point in pushing your luck. Ok? :)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Pat Khils on December 18, 2004, 03:54:36 PM
Haha you are right! I'm leaving the censor on, it's just too funy  ;D
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Inquisitor Yoda on December 19, 2004, 05:13:41 PM
why was my beslubbering post deleted?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on December 19, 2004, 06:23:14 PM
Because it was just spam. I sent you a PM about it.

And no swearing, please.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Devern, The Unsung Hero on December 23, 2004, 01:58:23 PM
am I the only one who finds the fact he swore in the Swearing thread, hilarious?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Wurzelmaniac on December 23, 2004, 02:02:49 PM
And him obviously.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Wargamer on January 9, 2005, 05:48:28 PM
I'm glad I have found how to turn that bloody-stupid thing off. As well as buggering up my fluff, it was pissing me off more than a Guard Noob ever could. ;)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: kharn012000 on January 14, 2005, 05:50:37 AM
Is there any way to see the results of the censoring without actually swearing (i.e. see the autocensor's "naughty word" list and its corresponding 'censored word' list?

If not, I'll just edit this post to contain every swearword I can think of before changing it back.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on January 14, 2005, 06:19:36 AM
Is there any way to see the results of the censoring without actually swearing (i.e. see the autocensor's "naughty word" list and its corresponding 'censored word' list?

If not, I'll just edit this post to contain every swearword I can think of before changing it back.
  No there is no such way at present. Such a list would undoubtably result in people not using the listed words, but others. This is not the end-effect we are looking for.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: ArchonCryx on February 1, 2005, 02:42:55 AM
And don't do it, guys. Even this Mod got burned trying to work out what happens if you swear - you get hit with a big stick! Snicker, giggle! :lol: :D
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Master Death Galiver on April 28, 2005, 01:00:53 PM
With due respect, Farseers, and all alike i do not mean to be repetitive, however I just wanted to put the emphasis of this matter. If you cannot handle youself by swearing then I honestly do not see why you are here. If it is as such, i aggree, There are too many people with a very wide range of age here.

As the Great Farseer's have already Said, just dont do it. Do not disrespect yourself by doing so. You would not want to be chopped up by the administration now would you not?

Again sorry for ranting.

Master Galiver
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: DUDEMAESTRO on June 20, 2006, 01:11:24 AM
Hey Rasamus... I would like to point out that the language these "kids" speak on their bus and amongst themselves would probably turn your touchy, kung-fu, virgin ears inside out.   :'(  But hey, thats just an observation.

Potty mouth is WRONG. And knowing is half the battle!
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on June 20, 2006, 04:29:18 AM
That does not mean that it should be encouraged or empowered here. Quite the contrary, by taking the "higher road" we are setting an example for everyone, not just the kids, to keep the language civil, and the discussions the same.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: PeregrineBF on June 23, 2006, 08:43:16 PM
Since when is censorship a "higher road?"

Teaching kids that freedom of speech is bad and should be prevented is far worse than letting them see a collection of anglo-saxon words (Most "swear" words are just the anglo-saxon versions of words, the latin derivatives are considered fine.)
Then again, we are a private organization and can do what we like, and one can turn it off, but I still don't like it.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on June 24, 2006, 05:20:44 AM
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Since when is censorship a "higher road?"
   The higher road in this instance is setting an example for all to follow, rather than booting out thos who cannot abide by those standards.
   And there is no freedom of speech here. This is a private enterprise and the rules are set by the owner (Raine) and staff. If you don't like them you are free to leave, but do not suffer delusions that this is a democracy. :)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Frescadude on June 25, 2006, 10:16:33 AM
As much as freedom of speech is a good thing, you have to think about what happens if kids use words they learned here in front of their parents.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on June 26, 2006, 05:32:34 AM
There is not a lot to think about actually; I get the emails from those parent. :)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Help_plz on August 27, 2006, 08:40:05 AM
What about "innocent" swearing, such as someone from "SBoy Snide's Outrageously Shiny Leather and PVC clad Soul Trainhorpe"?

EDIT: Man that censor is hilarious!!
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on August 27, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
No mod is going to get on your back if a name or word contains a swearword, but isn't a swearword in itself.  If you find it makes the censor a problem, you can easily turn it off in your profile and be ignorant as to why everybody is laughing at what you're saying ;)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kishvier on February 14, 2007, 06:50:16 PM
Is it against the rules to put pointless stuff that you have done on this site to see if people like it.  I wrote an article on the Greater Good and what me and my friends do and the Mods said it was pointless and just locked it.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Peanut (Turtleproof) on February 14, 2007, 08:19:30 PM
You didn't write an article, and it wasn't about the Greater Good.  You made a thread (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=130744.0) about something you do at school whenever someone mentions "greater good."

A complaint like this should be made in a PM, or posted in the forum rules thread (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=165.100) asking why the thread was locked, or even inquired about in Suggestions, Questions, and Comments (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?board=8.0) forum.

It's also against the rules to hijack a thread, or post apart from the topic of a given thread, and to dig up old threads without adding something useful.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Wicky on April 14, 2007, 11:35:57 PM
Hi,
    I applaude your stance on maintaining a standard here and believe that this Web site is just another  form of public information, available to all and should be respected by all.
Swearing to me is a double edged sword that can be used to cut deeply or can be used to calm the waters in an attempt of humour. But therein lies the problem, you can never predict how it is accepted and its intention can never really be verified by the reader. Most swearing I find comes about because the person lacks the abilty to choose the correct words in the heat of the moment and they rarely mean exactly what was said, again the intent can come into question.
Everytime I hear this type of language used I discount that person and the sincerity of their coments. giving their views far less credence than if they bumbled through sentences like an amateur but made a more genuine effort to communicate in a two way fashion.
Swearing raises the ante and the antics that people are willing to lower themselves to in order to "win" a point or hammer home an argument based on tonality not content.
This sledgehammer approach will never win over the more reasonable person in any debate and at best is a waste of time for all those subjected to it.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Free Company on May 20, 2007, 03:25:09 AM
We have a "swear filter", but remain free to use "gay" as a synonym for "stupid".


Riiiiiight.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Heretek on May 20, 2007, 04:20:37 AM
Gay isn't a swear word, it's derogatory slang for a homosexual, and it actually means 'happy'.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: PaxImperator on May 20, 2007, 04:32:48 AM
We have a "swear filter", but remain free to use "gay" as a synonym for "stupid".


Riiiiiight.

As Khemri said, gay has perfectly acceptable meanings other than the derogatory one. Therefore it would be foolish to include it in the swear filter. And no, you do not remain free to use "gay" as a synonym for "stupid". If you come across such usage of the word, it is your responsibility to report the offending posts to the moderators. We have that button for a reason. Homophobia will be cracked down on when we find it.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on May 20, 2007, 04:52:53 AM
So will a few other things, mind you. Racism is not tolerated here. And no, you cannot hide behind your "free speech"-right either. This is not a public space. This is a private party where you are to respect the rules or be escorted out.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on May 20, 2007, 09:06:47 AM
English Language man away!

Gay isn't a swear word, it's derogatory slang for a homosexual, and it actually means 'happy'.

Gay really isn't derogatory. If it was you'd find a lot more homosexuals objecting to its use, rather than using it to refer to themselves. And no, it used to mean happy, but these days it does indeed mean homosexual.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: [dixon] on May 20, 2007, 09:43:00 AM
It can be derogatory in context.  Which is how most of such words work.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Free Company on May 21, 2007, 12:54:34 AM
Just something I notice while lurking on the boards, that a moderator will point out certain use of language in a thread and not others. That it has a meaning of a non-derogatory nature, that's both obvious and clearing not what I was talking about; arguing that it should not be on a banned words list because it has an alternative meaning is also a little flawed in that people are far more inclined to use a word for it's popular connotation: people who mean "happy" say "happy".

Gay really isn't derogatory. If it was you'd find a lot more homosexuals objecting to its use, rather than using it to refer to themselves. And no, it used to mean happy, but these days it does indeed mean homosexual.
The phenomenon of "ownership" of a derogatory term by the slurred group.

At any rate, I feel suitably chastised (ha ha) and this thread may now continue on it's regular course.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Heretek on May 21, 2007, 01:02:23 AM
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Just something I notice while lurking on the boards, that a moderator will point out certain use of language in a thread and not others.

Because the mods aren't watching every post in every thread, they rely on other people to report anything offensive and thus bring it to their attention.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kishvier on June 30, 2007, 07:55:39 PM
Are we allowed to say (naughty, naughty word Mr.!)?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Squid on June 30, 2007, 07:58:22 PM
Well, if its a naughty naughty word, then I assume not.

Mr.Squid
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: The GrimSqueaker on June 30, 2007, 08:01:33 PM
If you feel the need to swear then do so. Use the actual word(s) and not a half arsed attempt to disguise the word using @ % & etc in place of letters. We have a swear filter for a reason (which can be individually turned off) and so trying to avoid the swear filter gets the wrong sort of attention.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kishvier on June 30, 2007, 08:08:46 PM
What does the filter do to the "text" *nudge nudge, wink wink*.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: The GrimSqueaker on June 30, 2007, 08:11:42 PM
It changes the text to another set phrase. I have it turned off as seeing such words doesn't cause me to burst into flame or turn into a complete gibbering beslubbering idiot.

There's an example for you.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Siris on July 30, 2007, 03:30:24 AM
I think its good that people are sensoring swearing. My twelve year old brother looks and reads threads a while ago i was asked by him what beslubbering meant and i told him it was the senor blocking people from swearing. So keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on July 30, 2007, 06:15:53 AM
Actually, it means to slobber all over something.  The fact it's the censor just makes it more fun.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Siris on July 30, 2007, 06:29:42 PM
I was wondering what it ment so thank you.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Razyus on July 30, 2007, 06:47:52 PM
I'd like to point out that bastard (and yes I know it has connotations to do with wedlock, but amphetamine parrot also has connotations to do with faecial excretement) is not filtered and perhaps should be.

Razyus
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: -Makenshi- on July 30, 2007, 06:50:33 PM
I'd like to point out that bastard (and yes I know it has connotations to do with wedlock, but amphetamine parrot also has connotations to do with faecial excretement) is not filtered and perhaps should be.

Razyus

This is actually being debated at the moment amongst the Staff and the swear filter is probably going to recieve an overhaul with words being added/taken away and 'beslubber' and the like being changed to something else (though still of course random :P).

~MTWC
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Squid on July 30, 2007, 06:51:48 PM
I agree with bastard, but I don't think amphetamine parrot is serious enough to be filtered, kinda like damn.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: -Makenshi- on July 30, 2007, 06:52:45 PM
I agree with bastard, but I don't think amphetamine parrot is serious enough to be filtered, kinda like damn.

Damn is actually filtered (kind of) at the moment (though you need to prefix it with 'God'), which was one of the things that prompted the debate.

~MTWC
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kjata on August 7, 2007, 10:49:11 PM
amphetamine parrot should stay cencored. Its a pretty bad word in the us. Cencored from tv.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: The GrimSqueaker on August 7, 2007, 11:07:50 PM
It's hardly a bad word. It was but certainly isn't any more. "Bloody" used to be censored on television. Times change.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: TagniK'ZuR on August 8, 2007, 02:52:41 AM
I couldn't understand one of Rasmus' posts, because the censor put 'lycra clad pixie' everywhere, when i put the censor off, it seemed that the word which was censored was freshwater  ???
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Heretek on August 8, 2007, 02:57:21 AM
Are you sure it wasn't 'saloutrageously sexy lycra-clad pixieer', which gives you: saloutrageously sexy lycra-clad pixieer.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: TagniK'ZuR on August 8, 2007, 03:00:47 AM
Yeah, That one  :-[
sorry, still waking up

why is outrageously sexy lycra-clad pixie censored? I always thought of it as an 'entry level' swear word
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Razyus on August 8, 2007, 04:57:43 AM
You just answered your question. It's a swear word.

Razyus
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dunay on August 16, 2007, 12:23:36 PM
Everyone is just better off listening, yeah I know at times those words may seem needed, but they aren't, plus that's why there's the filter!  ::)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Peanut (Turtleproof) on August 16, 2007, 06:00:15 PM
Protip: the filter can be turned off anyway.  Go to USER CP --> Look & Layout Options --> Check the box: "Leave words uncensored."
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Inquisitor Yoda on August 29, 2007, 10:26:10 PM
Protip: the filter can be turned off anyway.  Go to USER CP --> Look & Layout Options --> Check the box: "Leave words uncensored."
Yeah but that makes idiots with anger problems sound so much less funny.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: TagniK'ZuR on August 30, 2007, 03:09:04 AM
Protip: the filter can be turned off anyway.  Go to USER CP --> Look & Layout Options --> Check the box: "Leave words uncensored."
Yeah but that makes idiots with anger problems sound so much less funny.
Agreed, the filter makes for fun reading :)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: CriscoCommissar, The Valorous Sludge on August 30, 2007, 09:22:00 PM
If I may ask, what on gods green earth is an amphetamine parrot?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Squid on August 30, 2007, 09:50:32 PM
Its a swear filter... :-\
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: CriscoCommissar, The Valorous Sludge on August 30, 2007, 10:30:58 PM
Its a swear filter... :-\

No kidding?  ::)

I ment more of, what possesed them to use amphetamine parrot to replace the word it is filtering? And what exactly is an amphetamine parrot?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kitsune Tsuki on August 30, 2007, 11:38:58 PM
Its a swear filter... :-\

No kidding?  ::)

I ment more of, what possesed them to use amphetamine parrot to replace the word it is filtering? And what exactly is an amphetamine parrot?
It means excrement.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: -Makenshi- on August 31, 2007, 01:14:04 AM
I think he means what it means, not what what it is censoring means (if that sentance makes any sense). In which case it doesn't really mean anything, Lom (I think) just put it in there as a random word/phrase.

It's not the most bizzare by far though, two of the 'phrases' we use to censor are 'Boy Snide's Outrageously Shiny Leather and PVC clad Soul Train' and 'outrageously sexy lycra-clad pixie', the former of which I think was lifted from FMG.

~MTWC
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on August 31, 2007, 02:29:28 AM
These words also change periodically, whenever the staff gets inspired. The old "tuna melt" and "doggy-bag" was in a former incarnation of the filter.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: TagniK'ZuR on August 31, 2007, 02:39:54 AM
Amphetamine is a stimulanthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphetamine)
and Parrot is a type of bird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrot)

and yes, Lom was responsible for this one, as well as beslubber IIRC
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: CriscoCommissar, The Valorous Sludge on August 31, 2007, 02:46:04 AM
Cool. I was just curious  :)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Jehan-Reznor on August 31, 2007, 03:53:37 AM
i used to swear with my friends using kitchen appliances, sounds funny and other people do not have aclue what we are saying.
something like you low flying toaster,sieve head or lettuce wipper, and it is good for creativity. ;D
can we suggest filter words? ;D
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on August 31, 2007, 03:58:31 AM
Well, you are free to post suggestions in the Suggestion-forum. We are not in the works of changing the filter at this time though. However, if this comes up, a topic will be opened in the Suggestions-forum about it.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: -Makenshi- on August 31, 2007, 04:10:02 AM
Well, you are free to post suggestions in the Suggestion-forum. We are not in the works of changing the filter at this time though. However, if this comes up, a topic will be opened in the Suggestions-forum about it.

Actually we were (dicussing it amongst the staff that is), comments on it just died out after it become a censorship debate ¬¬.

~MTWC
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kadaeux on September 10, 2007, 12:11:28 PM
Just checking, are we allowed to use in-universe cursing such as Feth, Gak and the like?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: PaxImperator on September 10, 2007, 12:13:23 PM
Sure. The cool kids say "beslubber" though. ;)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on September 10, 2007, 12:14:42 PM
It is widely discouraged though, as it tends to just lead down a very dark road filled with censors, angry PMs to moderators and emails from parents.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Jehan-Reznor on September 10, 2007, 08:54:37 PM
It is widely discouraged though, as it tends to just lead down a very dark road filled with censors, angry PMs to moderators and emails from parents.
how about Batllestar gallactica widely used frak? ;D
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dralith on September 10, 2007, 09:20:38 PM
Which of course is quite daft as 'beslubber' has retained the same form for a good 1000 years now and the best cusses (funnily enough mainly old Saxon words too) aren't likely to bugger off anytime soon.
At least 'smeg' couldn't possibly sound like ol' F no matter how much you squinted at it
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Peanut (Turtleproof) on September 11, 2007, 02:34:27 PM
Use your judgement.  Avoid things like Groxshat or Eldarfucher. 
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Full Metal Geneticist on September 11, 2007, 02:45:47 PM
Bah I prefer good olde tamil alternatives of "I wish you would get syphillis" or "May your wife have a perpetual headache".

Far superior to anything english.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dralith on September 14, 2007, 02:05:57 AM
Ah, of course, the real curses. A lost art, disappointingly.
"None of your aunts for seven generations have had noses!"
  - Kipling, Kim
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Wombats on September 14, 2007, 05:11:52 AM
While we're dusting off beslubber and taking it out for a spin...

I always liked the old Bard's Tale I's "Deth and Drek! You cry as a pack of kobold cram your newly made party's collective heads up somewhere hurtful" as you make a quick run to the shop for some armour and weapons. 
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mystik Raven on October 31, 2007, 08:58:50 PM
I'm confused.. I read the first post, first and second page, and skimmed the rest-- but this is perplexing.

"Addendum: - Incidentally, to view profanity in all it's glory (i.e turn off the auto-censor for viewing posts) you need to access your Profile (button is at the top of the page) and click on the Look and Layout Preferences option in the left sidebar. Check the 'Leave Words Uncensored' box to turn off the censor. Note this only applies to you viewing posts, other people with the option still off will always see your swear words censored still. This option ensures that if you like swearing, you can have it without upsetting those people who do not like it. - Lom"

Why do we have the option to DISABLE swearing, if we keep getting told not to swear?  Like Yoda was told by Rasmus, "please no swearing."  (Unless there's some satire there that I'm missing because I'm not a prominent member of the community with thousands of posts and I don't recognize inside joke Internet sarcasm. :P)

So are we allowed to swear, and just let the filter get it?  Or should I stifle myself?  I'm not the rebellious type; I just like to know my limitations.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Heretek on October 31, 2007, 09:09:34 PM
You can swear if you want, just don't try to censor it yourself, that's what the auto censor is for.

So, write beslubber all you want, just don't write f**k.

The reason being that the censor won't get the latter, and young'ns can still see the implied swearing, whereas the censor makes it a little more family-friendly.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on November 1, 2007, 02:08:46 AM
And even with the censor, there is no point in going overboard. The words are used rightfully in some places (most notably the Space Tavern, for some reason) but we don't want constant cursing on the boards, in normal civic conversation. That is just right out.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kishvier on November 1, 2007, 06:01:38 PM
Mr. Peanut has a bad avatar.  It says the a word!
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Peanut (Turtleproof) on November 1, 2007, 07:22:57 PM
I would die without my ass.  I use it to plow the fields.  Squigley reads Ass Monthly for critical updates on plow technique and mule upkeep.

Also, do not use profanity-equivalents, since the auto-censor will take care of that for you.  If you do not wish to have text reinterpreted with censored words, you may turn it off in your User Control Panel (words will appear in their original form). 
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kishvier on November 1, 2007, 07:25:52 PM
Um...is all I have to say.  I prefere to keep my ass in my pants, not plow feilds with it.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on November 1, 2007, 07:59:19 PM
Um...is all I have to say.  I prefere to keep my ass in my pants, not plow feilds with it.

Oh for the love of... ass is another word for donkey
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Heretek on November 1, 2007, 08:02:00 PM
Now, arse, on the other hand, is something you don't plough a field with.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: CriscoCommissar, The Valorous Sludge on November 1, 2007, 10:42:25 PM
Are we allowed to swear in languages other than english?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: TagniK'ZuR on November 2, 2007, 02:44:23 AM
Are we allowed to swear in languages other than english?
I'm going to guess that it goes against the 'only speak Ingerish' rule
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on November 2, 2007, 07:00:01 AM
Which is why we HAVE the only speak Engleesh rule. :P
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Peanut (Turtleproof) on November 2, 2007, 10:36:19 AM
Technically, no, you're not allowed to swear in other languages.  Naturally, most of them will go unnoticed until another speaker of that language notices it or it is added to the auto censor.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on November 2, 2007, 07:01:54 PM
Or if you use Japanese, which 90% of nerds know enough of to cotton onto anyway.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: The GrimSqueaker on November 2, 2007, 10:03:18 PM
It should also be said that we do have a significantly multinational staff as well as overly inquiring minds so "strange words" would be researched if not already known. The more work required to find the meaning would entail harsher punishment for those who tried it on.  ;)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Inquisitor Yoda on November 3, 2007, 10:38:52 PM
It should also be said that we do have a significantly multinational staff as well as overly inquiring minds so "strange words" would be researched if not already known. The more work required to find the meaning would entail harsher punishment for those who tried it on.  ;)

Spoken like a true dictator.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: The GrimSqueaker on November 3, 2007, 10:44:35 PM
Oh Yoda, you have no idea. A true dictator would have stated "no, as i said so." Actually offering a rationality as well as a means of questioning the rationality shows we are all truly enlightened and are an aspiration for the future of humanity. Even Star Trek could not imagine how embracing and all encompassing a civilisation is 40Konline.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Goyder on November 4, 2007, 08:12:05 AM
... shows we are all truly enlightened and are an aspiration for the future of humanity.

I weep for mankind.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: TagniK'ZuR on November 5, 2007, 01:16:53 AM
It should also be said that we do have a significantly multinational staff as well as overly inquiring minds so "strange words" would be researched if not already known. The more work required to find the meaning would entail harsher punishment for those who tried it on.  ;)
Right now, I'm fighting very hard NOT to try and see which Afrikaans/Zulu/Tswana swear words take the longest to figure out :)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Peanut (Turtleproof) on November 5, 2007, 08:36:46 PM
Right now, I'm fighting very hard NOT to try and see which Afrikaans/Zulu/Tswana swear words take the longest to figure out :)

Just think about how you'd be in Muted purgatory for much, much longer.   8)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: CriscoCommissar, The Valorous Sludge on January 1, 2008, 12:33:35 AM
I would like you guys to know that 40kos word filter has affected the way I think and write.

I just typed "beslubbering" in place of a choice swear word on another forum  :)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on January 1, 2008, 07:30:35 AM
We are happy to improve your vocabulary in this manner. :)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Squirrelloid on January 3, 2008, 12:05:02 PM
We are happy to improve your vocabulary in this manner. :)

Now if only 'amphetamine parakeet' was something more generally useful.  But yes, i too have found myself typing 'beslubbering'.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Emory on January 7, 2008, 04:44:58 PM
I was having so much fun trying to figure out what the censor was standing in for...

I think it's hilarious. I'm almost tempted to try it out myself... but I don't swear >.>
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Wu-Tang-Tau on April 21, 2009, 11:32:42 PM
So whats the word limit?

I don't even consider the word "ass" swearing.  So are the F, S and C word allowed?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: FifthWindDieGermanator on April 22, 2009, 12:15:50 AM
So whats the word limit?

I don't even consider the word "ass" swearing.  So are the F, S and C word allowed?

Just because you do does not mean the general veiw is that it is not a swear word. All of those would be swear words, so...  swearing rules apply.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on April 22, 2009, 02:43:03 AM
So whats the word limit?
The simple rule is; "If a morally conservative parent of a 9-yearold browsing this forum could take offence at it - it is a swearword". So, if anyone could consider it foul language, it is. We are going for the lowest possible level without entering anything absurd here, for simplicity's sake.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: -Makenshi- on April 22, 2009, 08:55:49 AM
It's worth noting we have a (humorous) auto-censor to handle swear-words though. It's far more entertaining (and makes more sense from a 'not encouraging swearing' point of view, at least as far as I'm concerned) than just adding an asterix or two, since then you can still easily tell someone's swearing (which defeats the entire point of trying to 'censor' it).

Ironically, unless you're flaming someone, you're far more likely to get into trouble for avoiding the auto-censor than for swearing, since anyone who doesn't want to see swear words can see gems such as "amphetamine parrot", "beslubber" and, of course, "wonderful example to us all" instead.

~MTWC
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Wombats on April 23, 2009, 09:37:46 AM
Which one is "Wonderful Example To Us All"?

I haven't seen that, its apt.   
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: -Makenshi- on April 23, 2009, 06:27:33 PM
It's one of the lesser-used swear-words, I forget which, though I do recall it being one of my favourites (as in censor, not swear-word).

~MTWC
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Impervious on April 25, 2009, 07:28:27 PM
Personally, I like "Boy Snide's Outrageously Shiny Leather and PVC clad Soul Train"
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Jester (Hadn't Changed His Profile Recently) on April 25, 2009, 07:30:41 PM
Could "Cooze" be "Wonderful example to us all"?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on April 25, 2009, 07:53:18 PM
This path leads to misery and pain.  Do not make the censor into a mission of finding what each phrase means when.  It's unnecessary swearing, and unnecessary work for mods to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Impervious on April 25, 2009, 09:50:39 PM
The problem is, some people are curious, andwewill find ways of testing it.

To prevent this, you could simply let these few view the list of censor words/phrases. 

I'm sure you've got a list somewhere with all of the censor words/phrases.   ;D
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on April 25, 2009, 10:00:54 PM
So that you can pre-construct sentences considerate of how they'll be altered?  No thanks.  ;)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Impervious on April 25, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
So that you can pre-construct sentences considerate of how they'll be altered?  No thanks.  ;)

Well, we can already do that with the ones we know. 

Also, since you didn't deny having a list - THEY'VE GOT A LIST!!!!!

:P
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: The GrimSqueaker on April 26, 2009, 02:45:01 AM
If such a list existed in anything other than code form it could also be changed at a moments notice so in the end you're back where you started.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: TagniK'ZuR on April 26, 2009, 03:54:47 AM
Personally, i liked "Sexy Lycra clad pixies" :)

and I suppose you could alway try PMing yourself all the swearwords (assuming the censor works in PM as well?)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Starrakatt on April 27, 2009, 11:51:10 AM
...and I suppose you could alway try PMing yourself all the swearwords (assuming the censor works in PM as well?)
It works. And if someone was so inclined as to try to find such words and expressions, lets say that hitting the 'Preview' button on any text you type does the work.

Of course, nobody benefiting of a healthy mental status would do that, right?

Right?

   Starky
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: scotatheist on June 21, 2009, 09:52:32 PM
Would British swearing be acceptable, such as 'the Udders of Thoth'; 'teen-pop sensation' and 'outrageously sexy lycra-clad pixie' ?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on June 22, 2009, 02:44:57 AM
No

To elaborate; swearing is swearing. It is not ok no matter what language you are using. As english is hte language of these boards, we only have to worry about swearing in english, and its sub-dialects. And they are all treated the same.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: NewHeretic on June 30, 2009, 01:30:59 AM
I would like you guys to know that 40kos word filter has affected the way I think and write.

I just typed "beslubbering" in place of a choice swear word on another forum  :)
We are happy to improve your vocabulary in this manner. :)

I love this forum!  ;D  You mods have gone way past necessary to make this no-swearing filter something enjoyable rather than oppressive.  I, too, have used 'beslubbering' in my conversations with others who have no idea where it has come from.

NewHeretic
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Happy-Cake! on December 27, 2009, 10:49:15 PM
Two quick points:

1. If children visit this site and their parents find it inappropriate for them to do so, it's up to the parents to either get a reality check, or tell them this site (as well as most of the internet) is off limits because of the "vulgar" language. As someone else pointed out, I hope those same kids don't take the school bus, or go outside to play with other kids, because they're in for a real treat. Since I don't own this site, I invite the moderators to continue their illusion that censoring is taking the "higher road".

2. I'm bothered by the comments that imply swearing is for lesser minds, or that it somehow depicts a lack of class or taste. If someone swears, they swear. It doesn't tell me anything about that person, especially about their intellect. Greater minds than our own swear all the time. Swearing does not speak to intellectual ability. Assuming it does, however, is presumptuous and too heavy-handed.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Heretek on December 28, 2009, 12:44:53 AM
Two quick points:

1. If children visit this site and their parents find it inappropriate for them to do so, it's up to the parents to either get a reality check, or tell them this site (as well as most of the internet) is off limits because of the "vulgar" language.

Perhaps so, but I'm sure the staff don't need irate parents e-mailing them about the language being used on the site their precious snowflake is browsing. Censoring swear words saves trouble for the site as well as the readers.

If it disturbs you too much, remember that you have the option to turn the auto-censor off in your profile.

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Since I don't own this site, I invite the moderators to continue their illusion that censoring is taking the "higher road".

I don't think the condescending tone really is required, do you?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Rasmus on December 28, 2009, 02:33:16 AM
1. If children visit this site and their parents find it inappropriate for them to do so, it's up to the parents to either get a reality check, or tell them this site (as well as most of the internet) is off limits because of the "vulgar" language.
That would be such a shame though, when an obvious and simple solution is at hand allowing these kids to keep browsing the forums, while not taking contents away from anyone else; just tone down the language, let the censor do its job (turn it off if you want to see all the juicy words, if you are fond of them) and don't bring up subjects that are simply not within the scope of a forum such as this. That way, not only can you enjoy the forum, and all the kids can, but I also don't have to deal with all the email from parents complaining that a site about a simple miniature-game hobby contains gratuitous foul language at every turn.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Awfully Dandy on December 28, 2009, 02:22:15 PM
Quote
. I'm bothered by the comments that imply swearing is for lesser minds, or that it somehow depicts a lack of class or taste. If someone swears, they swear. It doesn't tell me anything about that person, especially about their intellect. Greater minds than our own swear all the time. Swearing does not speak to intellectual ability. Assuming it does, however, is presumptuous and too heavy-handed.

No of course not. We however are on a forum were the words uttered are visible to anyone. As such it seems to be silly to post anything that could potentially cause offence in the same way it seems silly to I don't know draw a penus on your garden lawn. You aren't directly hurting anyone but it could irtate somone and as such seems to be causing uneccesary hassle.

I am afraid that I am lost to your correlation of the degree of intellect being and the general amibality of a person. I know plenty of people who I would considewr far more intellgient then me but would I want to spend an afternoon with them? No (That is not meant to be an anti-intellectual comment by the way but simply a statement that nastiness isn't exclusive to any group of people)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kindred on December 28, 2009, 04:00:15 PM
and I will also note that swearing in SPEECH is one thing...   I use a fair amount of non-censored language in my day to day speech.

Swearing while TYPING is something completely different, and, I will say, denotes a  possible lack of intelligence and a certain lack of class if continually done.

You have to THINK about what you type... nothing "just slips out" when it is typed... So, if done for emphasis, occasionally, fine...   if done frequently, then someone needs to get a dictionary and improve his/her vocabulary.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Happy-Cake! on December 28, 2009, 11:45:37 PM
Hey Kindred, speech and typing are different things. I don't think a contrary position is defensible. The mechanics of both are just different.

But you're presumptions are too heavy handed for me. You come to "typing" with preconceptions of what is acceptable, but others come to the table with a different mindset. Your preconception isn't wrong, just as another's preconceptions aren't wrong.

For example, you seem to use capitalization to emphasize some words. Would it be heavy handed for me to see this abuse of language as an indicator that you're stupid? Or that you should pick up a grammar book? It would be foolish if I assumed so quickly.

The same is true for when people make spelling mistakes in their posts. Look at PMF's post, it's littered with spelling mistakes. Does that tell me he's dumb? Or needs to learn spell check? No way. Not even close.

Likewise, when you see someone swear with frequency on a forum, please don't insist they need a dictionary or they need to improve their vocabulary. Because they come to the forum with a different mindset than your own. Perhaps they see the line between speech and typing to be more subtle than you do. People approach modes of communication differently. Spelling mistakes, mid-sentence capitalizations, and swearing don't tell me anything about how smart you are.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kindred on December 29, 2009, 01:27:36 AM
... but they do indicate how much effort you are willing to put into communication.

I am an English teacher (amongst other things) I expect people to communicate clearly. If that is presumptuous, then I certainly am. If people are using the written language, then it is only appropriate to expect thought to be put into it; because you are not typing in "real time" on the forums, so things that you may get away with during regular speech, or even in chat, are not the same when you are typing and posting messages.

So, you are right...   swearing and misspellings are not always indicative of a lack of intelligence, but are almost certainly indicative of a certain amount of laziness. A few misspellings are, of course, expected, because we all type fast and don't always spell-check. :)   However,  posts litter with misspelling indicate a certain lack of effort put into the communication, and, on the point of swearing, as I said, a swear used for emphasis is one thing, but swears scattered throughout a message are pointless and serve no purpose other than to highlight the amount of disrespect which the poster holds the rest of the world...
(and yes, I occasionally fall into lazy mode myself)
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on December 29, 2009, 07:22:32 AM
But you're presumptions are too heavy handed for me. You come to "typing" with preconceptions of what is acceptable, but others come to the table with a different mindset.

To be honest this is all largely irrelevant.  My mindset when I see someone swearing is completely irrespective of how intelligent they may be and pays attention to the following things:

1.  Is it excessive?
2.  Will it be blocked by the forums auto-censor?
3.  Will people still be offended (and with fair cause to be)?

At the end of the day you don't run this forum and the people that do want it to be accessible to younger gamers.  If that means not being completely laissez-faire about swearing then that's a very small price to pay.  I don't really know where you get the impression that we all think we're Lord Pomp as a result.  There are kids who don't want to read swearing, parents who don't want their kids to read swearing and adults who don't want to read swearing.  We're not going to exclude them just because you say we should and if you think that makes us arrogant and self-important I don't really care.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kindred on December 29, 2009, 08:32:13 AM
well,  I am arrogant and elite, since I have a (https://www.40konline.com/Themes/raven/images/PINK.png) badge and none of you do...  :P
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Peanut (Turtleproof) on December 30, 2009, 12:40:42 PM
... Since I don't own this site, I invite the moderators to continue their illusion that censoring is taking the "higher road".  ...

We're real paragons of holier-than-thou false morality at 40kOnline.  We're pure white sheets in our dogma.  Or, more likely, it's the path of least nuisance.  The censor can be deactivated in your User CP (Control Panel).  The source post is never modified, just filtered for display to those who leave the censor on.

Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dunedain on December 30, 2009, 12:51:30 PM
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Since I don't own this site, I invite the moderators to continue their illusion that censoring is taking the "higher road".

The level of disdain for our forum rules and staff you have chosen to show is not really necessary.  If you do not like having swear words censored out of the posts you read, simply turn off the censor in your profile.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Kindred on December 30, 2009, 02:40:18 PM
or, even better, you can not bother to use them in the first place.. in which case, no censor will be active at all.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Guildmage Aech on December 30, 2009, 04:32:49 PM
... Since I don't own this site, I invite the moderators to continue their illusion that censoring is taking the "higher road".  ...

The moderators aren't censoring posts, all they do is give you the option to censor the posts you read if you want to. Or if you don't you turn it off and there is no censorship in the material you read at all.

I don't understand what you're complaining about.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Happy-Cake! on December 30, 2009, 11:28:13 PM
Wow, I'm surprised at the number of responses! Let me just start by saying that I appreciate the dialogue.

Let me bullet point several replies:

1. The language of "the higher road" was introduced on the first page of this thread. Please see the last three posts on page one. The "intelligent-or-not?" argument comes from previous posts. Again, please consult the previous posts and the language used.

2. Hey Hymirl, I think it's silly that people have an option to censor the posts they read. I don't like censorship of any form. Just because I'm not doing the censoring, doesn't mean I approve of censorship. Hopefully that makes more sense.

3. I don't think anyone here is "Lord Pomp". I didn't think I had to make that explicit. But there you go.

4. Hey Kindred, I didn't know you were an english teacher! I have a great deal of respect for those who teach composition. Back on topic though, I wouldn't say that spelling mistakes necessarily point towards laziness, but rather a different set of preconceptions of what is acceptable. In an english classroom, a student's composition is measured in regard to form and content. When I craft a paper, useless sentences fall away, sentence are tightened. And everything is immaculate.

But I question if that system does (or should) transfer to casual internet forums. I understand the argument that it should. Communication is communication. But is it that simple? Can we impress upon that idea a context? Sure! You already do it. Like I said previously, I doubt you would ever capitalize a word to emphasize it mid-sentence in your more serious compositions.

The takeaway is that by censoring some words, you deny some preconceptions of what is right and what is wrong, when neither can make a true claim to being "right". It's like censoring your capitalizations or posts that commit too many spelling mistakes or the "lol" I've used earlier in this post. It's just silly.

5. I've already said I don't own this site. This feature has been around for a long time. But I recently happened upon this thread. Regardless, I bring this issue up because this is a forum.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on December 31, 2009, 12:14:06 AM
2. Hey Hymirl, I think it's silly that people have an option to censor the posts they read. I don't like censorship of any form. Just because I'm not doing the censoring, doesn't mean I approve of censorship. Hopefully that makes more sense.

You don't find it slightly ironic?  If people give you an option to have a censor that's a terrible thing for you, but people who don't like swearing should put up and shut up?  You don't slightly think your whining about the intelligent or not argument becomes slightly flawed by this contradiction, and you don't slightly think your whining about the higher road phrasing becomes slightly flawed in the incredible arrogance this attitude shows?

3. I don't think anyone here is "Lord Pomp". I didn't think I had to make that explicit. But there you go.

Not what I said.  Lurn sum readin.

But I question if that system does (or should) transfer to casual internet forums.

Yes, because we're multi-age multi-nationality.  Many posters here do not speak English as their first language so having to not only learn English but also all the slang to go with it and try and decipher what txt tlk would mean would be insufferable.  Either way, although you started out that train of thought with saying "back on topic" I remind you that this topic is about swearing not spelling and grammar.  In which vein; I just want to recap your argument:

Kids, parents of children and adults who are against swearing have the option of leaving the auto-censor on so that they don't have to read it if they don't want to.  You, who enjoys swearing, has the option of turning off the auto-censor so that you can see all language in all it's glory.  This state of affairs is a travesty as censorship is wrong.  People must read the nasty words because you say so and if they don't like it they should (and I paraphrase only slightly) "get a reality check, or [accept that] this site (as well as most of the internet) is off limits because of the 'vulgar' language."

You can bring an issue up in such a fashion that opens it up for genuine debate which generally revolves around being clear that it's an earnest opinion that you want to air and discuss.  You brought it in a way that says "look guys, you think you're right but I'm here to tell you you're all wrong.  In fact you're idiots, go home."  So while you may appreciate the dialogue I'm not sure anyone else does seeing as that's the attitude you take.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dunedain on December 31, 2009, 10:51:25 AM
the mods are not actually censoring posts, they are just allowing an auto censor option in your profile that will allow you to not have to view swear words in other peoples posts.

Therefore, i feel your argument is Foolish and invalid. You are basically complaining because there is an option for users to adjust they're own profile so that they do not have to view the swearwords and other obscenities posted by other users.

In affect, you're trying to argue that this option shouldn't exist, why? All people should have to view all the curse words posted by other people even if they find them offensive when they could simply activate the censor in they're profile which will not allow them to view the swearwords in other people's posts.

Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: NewHeretic on December 31, 2009, 04:56:11 PM
I find it amusing and a bit of a relief to find that the Mods seem to be closer to the middle of the road in their moderating than I would tend to believe if people like you, Happy-Cake!, didn't exist. ;)

I happen to be one of those adults who doesn't appreciate hearing or reading profanity.  In addition, I immediately lose some respect for the wisdom of anyone I encounter who uses profanity.  Obviously, I'm at the opposite extreme from you, Happy-Cake!, and it is clear that the Mods have taken a position that should be acceptable to us both.

2. Hey Hymirl, I think it's silly that people have an option to censor the posts they read. I don't like censorship of any form. Just because I'm not doing the censoring, doesn't mean I approve of censorship. Hopefully that makes more sense.

This is funny, actually.  Do you think that everyone should have the right, without consequence, to say or write anything they want?  What about laws against libel and slander?  What about perjury?  What about the guy like me who doesn't appreciate hearing you cuss and swear in your conversation with him and requests that you desist?  Will you continue because you believe you have every right to do so?  You'll likely lose the person's cooperation, whether it be a business or social interaction and a broken jaw if you continue. ???  Are you sure there is never cause for censorship?

NewHeretic
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Peanut (Turtleproof) on December 31, 2009, 07:24:26 PM
Happy-Cake!: unless you take the time to read the responses to your posts, I will start deleting them as flame bait.  How is it censorship if the auto-censor can be deactivated?  All of your arguments are made moot: people can read the "nasty words."

Before you enter another free speech jihad, remember: I am inviting you to participate in the discussion rather than yell at the wind.

Edit: Added a missing space between words.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Guildmage Aech on January 1, 2010, 12:57:20 AM
2. Hey Hymirl, I think it's silly that people have an option to censor the posts they read. I don't like censorship of any form. Just because I'm not doing the censoring, doesn't mean I approve of censorship. Hopefully that makes more sense.

You're saying people should not have the choice of what they want to read or not to read? Thats pretty stupid really, firstly because its not actually censorship, and secondly because if your advocating forced infomation input you're exactly as bad as people who force restricted infomation.

Perhaps now would be a good time to bring up the fact you can ignore specific users completely, and every word in every post or PM they make. Its a useful anti-harassment tool and against allows people not to have to deal with morons they don't want to put up with. At the end of the day people come to the forum because they want to interact with people they want to interact with. From start to finish a user's participation in the forum is entirely voluntary.

You're utterly wrong in every possible way, quiet apart from the fact that the forum is private property exactly as if where a physical room in Raine's house. And when you're in someone's house you obey their rules or you can leave. Its not about freedom of speech because that remains uneffected, its about Raine not being obliged to show you hospitality.

All the current users here value Raine's hospitality enough to follow his rules without problem. The only place there can be a problem is on your side... so you have to choose either to get over it or... bye.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Dunedain on January 1, 2010, 07:39:59 PM
It's kind of like saying

"I don't think people should be allowed to pick which newspaper they read. They should all have to read the same newspaper and only that newspaper. And if they don't like that newspaper, they still have to read it because i said so."

Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Razmirth on January 12, 2010, 02:34:43 PM
After reading the majority of posts on this topic, i find it humerous that people would even bother arguing the fact that swearing is not tolerated. I mean I cuss like a sailor off the internet, especially working trades and construction, sometimes it just comes out, but i have the ability to control my language when I know it's not permitted.

I think what people seem to have really lost sight on in the post...is that Rasmus simply said "hey guys, read the rules and guidelines to the site about swearing" and some people decide to say "Forget you rasmus and your rules, i'll do whatever i want". In which case, all I can say to those people is grow up.

There's a reason why those rules are created, if you can't abide by them, then honestly, ship out. It's called maturity, and yes, being able to control your language in certain circumstances DOES directly reflect your intelligence. If someone tells you swearing isn't allowed, and then you turn around and do it, obviously you arn't an overly intelligent person, or you're just plain ignorant. Either way, you still look like the moron in the end.
Just my two cents.

Raz
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Calamity on January 12, 2010, 04:34:31 PM
There's a reason why those rules are created, if you can't abide by them, then honestly, ship out.

Exactly.  This site is the propriety of Purple Raine (whoever that is! :P).  He made this site, and pays for it's upkeep and maintenance etc. 

We, the active posters, are guests on his site.  And while we are free to participate in the forums of this site for....free, we are also here at Raine's generosity.  So it is more of a gift, rather than a privilege, and your 'rights' mean nothing here, so please, anybody complaining about their freedom of speech being quashed, just shut the hell up.  Or better yet, start your own site!

If Raine has some rules that he wishes you to follow while on his site, then follow them, or clear off.  I mean, Christ knows, it's not exactly hard to follow 40k on-lines rules you know.  And the auto-censor?  Who'd have a problem with that?
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Corporal McChirpy McTerrerfex IV on January 23, 2010, 08:17:45 PM
lol my brother is such a suck up!;)

Here I don't mind my curse words being blocked if that's the rules.
Title: Re: Swearing and how it is handled
Post by: Mr.Peanut (Turtleproof) on January 23, 2010, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: Captain McChirpy link=topic=74626.msg2400821#msg2400821
Here I don't mind my curse words being blocked if that's the rules.

If you want to see profanity, click in this order:

User CP (menu bar in the header) --> Look and Layout Options -->  check the box beside, "Leave words uncensored."