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Modeling => Projects Blog => Topic started by: vonny on March 10, 2014, 08:53:34 AM
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Hello everyone,
I was pointed towards this forum to post up some of my more recent work and to ask the community for some advice on my current and upcoming projects.
My biggest love in 40k are the Tyranids. Now, that may be a strange way to start a topic on eldar, but ever since I got to know their background (pretty soon after I started playing them) I toyed with the idea of an Iyanden army. I loved the story of how Iyanden, once the largest of craftworlds, had been brought low and now had to fight for survival using the most desperate of measures. While there was a seperate codex with special rules for the various craftworlds back then, I was still hard at work painting up my tyranids (a task that never ends) and couldn't spare the time or money to start an Eldar army.
Now, with the Iyanden supplement, plastic wraithguard, and the ghost army deal last christmas, and a birthday soon after, I figured this might be THE moment to get into the eldar. And, as it turns out, it was. Even though, looking through the forum, that I might come off as bandwagoning a bit. :S
Anyway, first off, my first unit. In an attempt to make the army as edition-proof as possible I magnetized the arms so I can still make them with swords too - but I haven't assembled or painted the other set of arms yet.
(https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi864.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab205%2Fvonny83%2FIyanden%2520Eldar%2FIyanden-Wraithblades_zps7838c1f6.jpg%7Eoriginal&hash=b9c6f3227011a5439ad53c68418d1359da9e857c)
In the middle you see an unofficial squad leader. I made this just for some visual interest and to tie it in with the family trees of Iyanden without having to freehand that on all of the models.
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Close up of this leader. Not sure if I want the iyanden symbol to stay white, or make the flame or the whole symbol yellow.
Next on the project list are 3 seperate things: A spiritseer representing Ayanna Arianal with the spear of Tuethlas
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(I wanted it to look a bit more impressive than the normal singing spears)
As its obviously from a farseer kit, I will need to build the spiritseers customary warpvanes on the back myself. I've seen photo's of the official spiritseer model, and it looks as if there's a whole apparatus sitting on the back. Is this just for modelling convenience, or is this actually supported in the fluff somewhere? Is there anything I should keep in mind when building my own set?
I'm also currently trying to build a wraithlord, but in my quest to edition-proof the models I want all the weapons interchangeable. However, the magnets I have (2mm) seem slightly too large, and all the tutorials I've found on the internet indeed use either 1.5mm magnets (which I can't find anywhere on the internet) or pins only. I'm afraid that with pins only the weapons will wobble a bit on their mounts, or worse - fall off - during gaming. Have any of your magnetized the options, and how did you go about that? Have any tips or tricks I could borrow?
Anyway, hope you like it.
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I can't help with the modelling questions, but I hope that you'll update this blog with your painted units as you go, because they're very impressive. Your use of yellow is particularly well done in my opinion, as it's a notoriously difficult colour to work with.
The freehand work is also impressive. Keep up the good work.
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Your wraithguards look very nice, and I can't wait to see the other miniatures of your project. The spear of Tuethlas looks particularly promising!
Concerning the wraithlord, I have two, and both have magnetized weapons. I used 2mm magnets, and it was very easy to place them. Just cut off the little bar underneath the weapon that you're supposed to use to place the weapon. This way you have a flat and quite large area to make a hole and place your magnet. As for the magnet on the wraithlord himself, just fill with green stuff the slot where you were supposed to glue the "bar" of the weapon. Once the green stuff has hardened, make a hole and put a magnet instead. Now you can switch whatever weapon you want! (I hope I was clear, it's not easy to describe).
I'm used to get my magnets at:
http://www.supermagnete.com (http://www.supermagnete.com)
Their shipping fees are quite expensive, so be sure to make a large order with your friends. But they have magnets of all sorts and sizes!
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Well, I did warn you painting would be slow! Still, I wanted to show some wip updates.
Painting was slow, mainly because after Chrysalis' suggestions I did venture building my wraithlord. It's now completely done except for one thing: I'm not sure where and if I want to hang tabards off of its frame. So, having spent a lot of time building that, I eventually ended up not being able to start painting it. So I went on building something else, for which painting has started - the first wraithguard unit:
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please keep in mind that this is a quick snap shot taken late at night, and the quality is bad. Also, for future readers: Once the unit is completely finished I'll likely remove the wip shots. So scroll down to see it:)
I'm still pondering what to do with the loincloth of the squad leader, though I have some ideas. I also have no idea yet on how I want to paint the... 'tubes'? from the elbow to the weapon. Not shown on the pic, but being painted along: the D-scythes.
Again, some minor conversions to the unofficial squad leader to set it apart.
also, a bit more work has been done on the HQ choice:
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it was quite difficult to get the braid to feel in line with the flowing motion in the clothes of the rest of the model. also, the dark eldar head I used seemed incoherently small for the model, I hope this will be solved when I undercoat it and you don't see the difference between the plastic and the greenstuff anymore. All I need to do for this one is to fancy up the base and create the warp vanes on the back that spiritseers have. Any suggestions on how to do that would be most welcome.
If you're worried about the quality of my hair-sculpting skills, I would gladly point you towards this link (http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab205/vonny83/Order%20of%20the%20Sacred%20Rose/Saints-circle_zps8f43d5a0.gif)
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This army looks phenomenal! I love the patterns on the Wraithguard helms they came out fantastic, especially on the WG at the end of your last post. The hair sculpt looks really good too! Can't wait to see what you do with a Wraithknight. Keep up the fantastic work this is a great project!
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Thanks cavalier. Your corsair eldar are always very inspiring to look at :)
those patterns are my attempts at painting on the house crests as found in the iyanden supplement.
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I though I recognized those crests... and please you didn't "attempt" to reproduce them- you nailed it perfectly! Thanks for the compliments too. :)
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aaand they're done.
Well, apart from the spiritrune on which I'm still undecided.
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Superb. They are incredibly detailed, and you've done a great job with the colours.
What sort of spirit rune are you thinking of adding?
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well, all the wraithbone construct models have this spirit rune/seal/thing? I forgot the name at the moment. The wraithguard/blades have it in the middle of their chest, and I want to give it some attention. But I just don't know what yet.
Thanks for the compliments!
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I see what you're referring to now :). You could just leave it as it is, but if you want to paint it a different colour, then perhaps just stick with the blue which you've used for the helms? That would seem like the most logical choice to me.
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These came out fantastic. Cheers on a really dreamy Iyanden scheme... super execution as well. Looking forward to seeing more. :)
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Ok, so, at the end of august I'll be house sitting for my parent's house and cat for two weeks. Without access to a 'proper' computer, I won't be gaming as usual in my free time, and next to taking walks in the, admittedly, nice enviroment and perhaps watching a movie or two, I plan to do some painting.
To the end, I constructed and primed the next phase of my army:
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See you in september :)
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Hell yeah! I love the poses on the Wraithlords can't wait to see these guys finished. BTW according to the updated FAQ's there is nothing stopping an Eldar player from coming out of a Dark Eldar webway portal... so if you are looking for a delivery system for those Wraithlords... just sayin ;D ;D ;D
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ok, so I didn't get to paint as much as I had hoped. Still, progress!
you'll have to be patient a tad longer though
Edit:
Well, the wraithblade's blades aren't really finished yet, but the wraithlords have been waiting for a photoshoot here on my desk for a while, so I figured I'd clear my desk up a bit and show you the results!
Here's the first wraithlord:
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And here's the second one:
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Both can be equipped with a variety of weapons...
(https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi864.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab205%2Fvonny83%2FIyanden%2520Eldar%2FDifferentweapons_zps19e6cf5f.jpg&hash=3c69c87a93e7c84a892627d81a745d56a415dc02)
...including the ghostglaives:
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This of course inevitably leads to the following two options - One who seems to need to get an extra attack for his pistol/ccw combination, and one who looks like the average FPS player character should.
(https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi864.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab205%2Fvonny83%2FIyanden%2520Eldar%2FMeleeandrambo_zps34310e9b.jpg&hash=1afe53d3bb42b8c54f84d960217b9b63a8fe1cb2)
So what do you guys think?
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And after finishing my wraithlords recently (see post above) I also finished the alternative weapon option for the wraithblade unit I had finished first of all.
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Man i'm so jalous ! your army looks so cool >< the pose are great on the wraithlord and the paint are so nice! awesome work !
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I agree with everything that grizlykin said. It does make me feel slightly jealous seeing such a well painted and detailed army. Also the amount of work that you have put in makes me feel lazy. Did you just use your 2mm magnets in the end or did you end up buying new smaller ones?
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hey guys.
Thanks for the compliments!
As for the poses on the wraithlords: I actually spent a lot of time working on poses, as I didn't want the magnetizability of the models get in the way of dynamic and cool posing. The posing always comes first for me, because that's what makes them - it's hard to keep the different weapons on though, as the starcannons have a very different profile as the others on the back end.
I ended up using the 2mm magnets, greenstuffing the slots up first as someone recommended. I only did one pair at the front of the weapon slot - the back is actually a simple pin to keep the weapon positioned well.
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Ah man the Wraitblades look fantastic Vonny! The blending on the blades is great, and the work on the helmets is simply top-notch. I just used my Wraitblades (with axes) for the first time and they successfully got into combat without taking any losses... though we had to call the game before we got to resolve combat (though my Autarch racked up some kills with his Soulshrive). Keep up the great work Vonny they look phenomenal!
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Very nice, so clean! Great work. I usually don't like the color combo but your yellow has such a pleasing, say glow, to it. The blue is subtle yet brings out the badassery in your paint work. The posing is really nice too, very dynamic.
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Thanks Cav and Dread!
@Cavalier the helmets are still the same as those in the the first pictures of this thread - this was just finishing up their magnetized alternative weapon option. But Glad they still stand out!
@Dread I wanted a natural look for the yellow, something that fits what I think of with the word 'wraithbone'. And when I look at the painted eldar in the iyanden supplement, I think they placed far too much blue on those models, tilting the balance away from the blue accentuating the yellow and being far too dominant to still look good. I tried to keep away from that.
I've got my hands on some guardians the other day, and I really like those models. There's a lot of detail on where their armour is actual plating and where it's clothing, and I'm trying to think of a way to use that in painting. I have no idea what color to use for the cloth part though - the blue as I've used it so far would be far too dominant, as would be the black, but I think the bone color I use on bases and weapons would just be confusing - not a color for cloth, but for weapons and bases.
I'm open to suggestions (even if it's "just paint everything yellow")!
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Lavender or a vibrant pink would look nice. I know its an unusual color choice for 40k models but I think it would look awesome. I actually red a rumor that GW is going to release a whole new batch of pink paints which is nice because they used to have a lot of em back in the day.
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I think you should use a secondary or tertiary colour based on the two colours you have already used. So mix your blue and yellow to make a green and use this on your cloth. For the tertiary colour mix the green with the yellow or blue to make a blue-green or a yellow-green. This approach means you will end up with a colour scheme that is harmonious.
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I had been thinking about pink as a spot color, to be used for the spiritrunes on the wraith constructs and the soulstones on the normal eldar, so your color suggestion isn't all out there. I think it'll clash too much if I use it in such large areas though.
The green is a nice suggestion, but I think it'll get in the way of the current primary and secondary colors already established. Maybe it'll work, but I can't really see it happening.
The more I think about it the more I think I should let the idea of seperate colors slip...
Meanwhile, I've been making progress on my spiritseer. No photo's of it yet, I'm afraid. I made a back warpvane out of some bits from the guardian sprue, and then greenstuffed it on nicely. In the end I decided I had to reposition the head slightly more back to keep a more eldary look (the pose started to be reminiscent of terminators or orcs). As an added bonus, this created more room on the front, creating more space for breasts to be hidden beneath those robes, thus giving a more feminine appearance. All in all, win! Just need to do some touch-up greenstuffing on the hair now.
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I think if you are going to do a separate color armor plate and under clothing you have to go either black and yellow, or just all yellow. It would have to be more like a dark grey than black though
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How about al yellow and then use a brown wash to darken the cloth part up.
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ok, I think I'm finally done with my spiritseer. I added the warpvane to the back, removed the head from the body again, put it back on, decided the hair needed to be redone so I got all that off (and broke off the head in the process), put the head back on, and started sculpting again. Suffice to say, it took a while. ;)
So, this is where she stands now, and it's up to my painting skills to make it look good:
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I hope better lighting will help as well ;)
A shot of the warpvane, which is hard to see due to the lighting. Also some more impressions of the hair:
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As stated before, I tried to keep the hair in the same flow as the robes and the cloth on the spear, so it wouldn't detract from the overall lines of the model. This made me cover up the face a bit more than I'd wanted to, but I can't have everything I guess.
I'm currently keeping myself busy with building some guardians as well. They're beautiful models and a nice kit, though there were two parts in it that I had some difficulty with identifying/imagining a purpose for. Perhaps people who've collected eldar for a longer time know these parts from elsewhere and know what they are?
Specifically the two circled parts in this image:
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I reckon the left part is a camera or sensor array to be placed upon one of those shoulder-mounts from the guardian's backpacks, but the right one... I don't know. Do I need to fit it on top of a weapon as a rangefinder, is it some kind of binoculars? Some kind of bomb?
Speaking of bombs, those conical devices that hang from the belts seen here in the left of the image, I think they're the guardian's plasma grenades. Am I right?
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Oh wow she look AMAZING Vonny. You absolutley nailed it with the flow of the hair... her whole pose is just so breezy and flowing. Great job!
As for those bits... the one in question is a "grenade dropper" from what I've been able to gather. At least thats what they are referred to on ebay. I used them on my Corsair Hawks to represent the Swooping Hawk grenade pack. I truly think that both the "grenade dropper" and the Dark Eldar shredder were both meant to represent something different prior to their release. I think the "grenade dropper" was going to be a special weapons upgrade for Guardian Defenders in 3rd ed, and I'm convinced the DE Shredder was supposed to be a flamer due to the fuel cannister and the nozzel at the end of the gun. Anyway just some crazy theories.
Keep up the great work with that Spiritseer I cannot wait to see her painted. Top-notch modeling Vonny keep it up!
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I'm pondering if I should model a helmet on her base to count as the guardian helmet of xellethon when I equip her with it. Or if I should just explain it as "this is Iyanna Arienal, wraithguards instinctively feel they should protect her, she needs no helm for that!"
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I wouldn't worry about the Helm. I'd just say its a counts-as one of her various runes or trinkets. I do that all the time.
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I think that a helmet would detract from the free flowing feel that you're creating with the sculpt of this character, so I'd leave her as she is. I'm looking forward to seeing the paint scheme that you come up with :).
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Wow, that's settled then. Everyone in favor of ditching the helmet!
And Irisado, so am I. I only have a very loose idea on which colors I want where, with most of the ideas having to be formed during the painting... I just hope I come up with something nice :)
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Yup, no helmet. Of course another thing is WYSIWYG at certain tourneys but I don't see that as an issue, since GW doesn't even cater to regular tourney's anymore. Can't wait to see it painted.
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Right.
After being a bit disheartened in painting my eldar when I couldn't show them off here, I eventually finished painting my guardians. Lo and behold, not two days later the forum's back up! I should've painted earlier...
in any case, for your viewing pleasure:
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meanwhile I'm really stuck on my spiritseer as I want to add the house symbol somewhere nice and large, but it doesn't seem to have any good spot for me to do that on.
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Great to see that this log is still going :). I love how well you paint with yellow, it's really impressive. If the old wargaming story of well-painted units getting better outcomes on the dice is true, then your Guardians should perform very well on the battlefield on a regular basis :).
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Really nice painting! I especially like the bright yellow and the freehand stuff. Looking forward to see that spirit seer painted :)
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Back in action! Hey Vonny I didn't see your update before the site went down. Very nice looking! I love the soft blues and the yellows are perfect. Awesome modelling too... I love the Dark Eldar headswap and the bases are amazing too. Can't wait to see what you've been working on... keep up the great work!
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Looking good as always but where is the painted pic of your converted spiritseer? I love the bases, wish I woulda thought about using waffles, haha just kidding, I really do like the bases. Bought or homemade? The little details you do on your models, wow.
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Thank you all for the kind words :) It's this forum that's keeping me motivated for this army (though having received some tyranids for my birthday, I might just get distracted)
@Irisado: Thank you. Unfortunately so far it seems my reasonably painted models have no luck, and my well-painted models have about enough luck to carry them through the first 4 turns of a game, and then they tank (in 6th I once went from being a potential 13 victory points to 1 ahead in turn 4, to 6-7 behind in turn 5, to 1-12 in turn 6). I'll report back once I've played a game with them all painted up!
@Rojopaa: Thanks. I'm very fond of the yellow (especially considering how easy I find to paint it, as opposed to the yellow on my lamenter space marines), and I'm especially proud of the freehand on the pointing eldar's knee.
@cavalier: Thanks! I got the idea for the dark eldar headswaps from you, so give yourself a pat on the back for that. it's the one with the huge scar over his head, so I had to greenstuff that in, and I wanted something more than just 'the bald one', so I tattoo'd him too.
@dread: Unfortunately, this is as far as I've gotten: (https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi864.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab205%2Fvonny83%2FIyanden%2520Eldar%2FIMG_0920_zps9vqw6v2t.jpg&hash=e2e6443b72b9a95b74abe3aad7494ae4dbeb2b5b)
I was originally planning to add the house symbol large on the back of her cloak, but with me placing a wraithvane thing there and the slit that has always been in the back, I can't seem to place it anywhere anymore without it either being off to one side (which offends my preference for balanced aesthetics) or with a slit splitting the symbol, and with Eldar being heavily into symbolism, that seems wildly inappropriate. So... back to the drawing board!
about the bases: Homemade, but I have a friend to thank for that idea. Know those paper doilies that you get under your tea and coffee cups in some restaurants? Those :)
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Awesome, I will keep that in mind. As for the symbol, put a banner pole behind him and paint it on the banner, if that helps. Or just make a special base for the banner to put beside him.
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vonny your stuff is amazing! I'm particularly impressed with the paint jobs because yellow is not easy to work with. That and that the spiritseer conversion. Nice job on the head swap! :)
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So... while my spiritseer hasn't seen much progress... or any progress at all, I did get some work done on another project.
The first of two wave serpents.
images here:
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its pilot:
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The idea was to paint up a part like it was a gem, then as if the house symbol of the embarked unit was shining through the gem from behind. I'm not completely happy with how it turned out so far, but I'm also not sure on how to improve on it:
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And lastly, a top view:
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There's a few things I'm still working on. First off, the rear door. I have no idea how to open it once I glue the top half of my wave serpent in place. It's not really necessary, but so far I haven't built a single vehicle which doors can't be opened, and I'm not planning on starting now. The eldar door has nothing to get a grip on, however, contrary to the teeth of rhino doors and the drop pod doors which you can get a firm grip on. Not sure how to solve this yet.
The base still needs to be attached. Seeing how the flight stand that came with it broke its tip off during painting, I ordered some magnetized flying stands and am awaiting their arrival.
I'm considering more parts to paint black, most obviously on the serpent shield generators and the sensor array in the front. I'm not averse to keeping them bone for now, or forever, but I'm also considering whether I should make some more parts black in there.
Lastly, I would like to paint the Iyanden symbol on the craft somewhere and the house symbol of the pilot, to denote to which house the craft belongs to (this won't be the same as the occupants, as there's only one living member of that house left, and she's to be my spiritseer). I'm thinking probably close to the canopy, but I don't know. As for the iyanden symbol I'm pondering about doing it on the yellow panel just to the back and outside of the engine intakes. It should look nicely there...
Anyway, comments, suggestions and complaints are always welcome, and I hope you enjoy/get inspired/something else that's positive
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Gorgeous stuff as always Vonny. I love the softness of the colors gives everything a totally ethereal vibe which is perfect for haunted Iyanden.
Also if you wanted you could always put the Iyanden symbol on the back hatch of the vehicle. Sort of an "eat my dust" application but that might be a bit too coarse for your army!
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Outstanding stuff vonny!
I agree, the Iyanden would look good there. As for the house symbol, I think right near the canopy is the best place. Kind of like the markings on a fighter jet. Maybe on that blank space in front of the cockpit?
Anyway, keep up the good work!
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The Wave Serpent looks really good. Your skill with yellow is very high.
I wish that I had an idea of how to help with the Wave Serpent door, but I'm almost certain that mine doesn't open either. I am not sure that it's possible to achieve it without having altered the model in some way in advance.
Your plans of where to put the symbols sound good to me :).
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meanwhile, another work in progress shot...
It doesn't look as neat in close up as it does from a bit further away...
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Looking good! Keep up the good work!
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and here she is, finished and all:
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As with my other models, the weapon options are magnetized and removable. However, having just painted the heavy weapons of the wraithlords and then the heavy weapons from 2 guardian sets, I was temporarily done with painting the heavy weapon options and as such they're on my to-do pile for now, and are for that reason not in the pictures :)
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Absolutely gorgeous stuff Vonny. The freehand is insane.... I'm so jealous my freehand filigree has always sucked whenever I've attempted it! Also the Waveserpent and Guardians are phenomenal. This has got to be the most ethereal Iyanden army I've ever seen. Great stuff as always... the color choices continue to payoff in spades
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Everything looks really good to me too :). I love the detail and the different shading patterns. Those Guardians look very imposing exiting that Wave Serpent.
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Thank you both for your kind words. The freehanding... well, I had lots of practise in that when I was painting my Lamenter space marines. it's something I enjoy doing as well. And I'm really glad you keep describing my paint as 'ethereal', because I agree that that really fits Iyanden, and I quite like how it's turning out so far. It does indeed look a bit incorporeal, somehow.
I'm afraid the guardians won't be riding in the wave serpent a lot, but they do look stunning for the photo. I used a hip armor plate from one of the wraithlord sets as a 'handle' on the door, and I think it looks great and works even better, so I'm happy with that. Just browsing through the bits and bobs I had left got me that idea.
As a final note, I'm going to be adding just one more thing to the Serpent's base - it looked just a tad too flat in my eyes, and I've found the right thing to glue on, but I'll have to paint it seperately and then glue it on afterwards like I did with my door ornament. Probably not worth posting a picture of, but then you know what I'm up to.
Also, still working on the spiritseers, and after that... I haven't decided yet. Your feedback and compliments on here really motivate me though!
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and here she is:
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her face looks way more weird on this picture than it does in real life. Unfortunately, I don't seem to have a camera that can make it look normal, instead of this pale, surprised vampire.
I still hope you enjoy!
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Hey vonny that's some pretty sweet loking painting that you show us there i like i a lot. personnally i would feel this white vampire things to be more of the actual color of eldar as a normal white pink skin. If you read the fluff you can see somewhere that eldar have a really pale skin so that would be onpoint if it was a bit to pale compare to a human i believe.
in the end, nice model vonny :) i trully like the hair it works really well. Keep up the good work :)
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Hey grizzle, thanks for the compliments!
I know eldar are quite pale - I did paint her a lot paler than I normally paint humans. But that only enhances the problem with the photography, where the face looks more like a plain white sphere instead of the actual shading and highlighting that's gone in there.
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Holy Crap! The eyes! wow, looks great. Beautiful job on all of her!
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She looks great! I'm also a big fan of painting Eldar to look ethereal and inhuman. Well done!
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I love it! Great work Vonny. The red hair looks great!
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Very well painted. I like the pale look, and I don't think that there's anything resembling a vampire about the face. The eye colour is very elven, and certainly not undead in any way. The hair looks great too.
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Well, not much real progress to show, but I took a picture the other day and wanted to share it with you guys anyway.
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Wow vonny this army really looks stunning ! together like this it stand out a lot ! i really think just having this on the tabletop make your opponents shiver. even more if they are tyranide ^^ really nice army!
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I agree with Grizzly your army looks brilliant and I really like the way the whole army has a dynamic look. What have you got planned next? Will we see a battle report?
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@grizzlykin: Heh, a friend of mine said that as well - he said they look far more stunning in this group shot than they do all apart.
Funny you should say that about tyranids. While the eldar army here is about 1000 pts, only three shelves higher in the same cabinet stands my tyranid army - which has close to 3000 pts of painted models (If I deck them out with upgrades I'd probably be close to 3500). I'm so slow with my eldar at the moment because I'm painting a few tyranids instead! :)
@alienscar: Well, I'm taking them out for a spin tomorrow, but I'll be proxying part of my army (I need to paint faster) so I'd feel bad posting pictures. Even though it's likely my opponents will proxy far more :P
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well this is an eldar painting blog but i would not mind seeing some tyranide just to know how they look :D ... proxy or not proxy you can give us some pick i think, I don't care personally. good pictures are good pictures wether or not you proxy things ><
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Once again I agree with everything that Grizzly wrote, especially the bit about Tyranids. It's your blog but I wouldn't mind seeing a few of the Tyranids posted here. Personally pictures of proxies in a battle report wouldn't bother me as I generally just read the report without taking much notice of the pictures. After your battle on Saturday maybe you could write a mini battle report and let us know how you got on.
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ok, well, battle report.
I built a 1500 pts list, including:
Spiritseer,
in a unit of
5 wraithguard with wraithcannons
in a
Wave serpent with t-l scatter laser and shuriken cannon,
a
spiritseer,
in a unit of
5 wraithguard with D-scythes
in a
Wave serpent with t-l scatter laser and shuriken cannon
a unit of
5 wraithblades with axe/shield
two of the following:
Wraithlord with dual flamers, dual bright lance and a ghost glaive
and a
Wraithknight with dual heavy Wraithcannon.
Instead of the expected 2 1v1 games we've done the past few times, my friends decided they wanted to go 2v2 again, and I didn't mind. So, not knowing eachother's armies too well, and certainly not having made arrangements, we decided to count everyone as allies of convenience and roll off who would join who.
Unfortunately, this left me with very uncharacteristic allies (chaos daemons), so a narrative battle report would be out of the question.
The chaos daemon list had 2 units of pink horrors and a bunch of flying monstrous creatures which were mostly close combat oriented. The opposing force was a force of necrons with a destroyer cult and two doomscuthes and an iron hand list with 2 triple lascannon predators, 4 t-l assaultcannon razorbacks, 2 assault cannon dreadnoughts and a stormtalon.
we had the maelstorm mission where you fight over the length of the table instead of having the long table edge as your deployment zone. The enemy stole initiative too.
Having deployed quite far forward to allow the daemons their beloved close combat, we we were under heavy fire by the enemy from the get go. Despite that, we didn't suffer many losses. The wave serpent with my flamers in it took 2 hullpoints of damage, and in our first turn I decided to pull it back to use the superior range of its serpent shield wile staying relatively safe. One of my wraithlords knocked 2 hullpoints and the powerfist off a dreadnought and the other took another hullpoint and immobilized from the other dreadnought. Most of the rest of our army moved forward, spells were cast (mostly to keep the flying monstrous creatures safe), and nothing much of note happened.
2nd turn we got hit hard. All three airplanes got onto the field and with the closer range, 2 of the daemon MC's were instantly killed and my damaged wave serpent was forced to jink once more. The wraithknight took 3 wounds as well, despite being in cover.
In our turn 2 we managed to assault 2 different units. The bloodthirster took on some necron warriors alongside four nurgling swarms (who were bought 'because I had points to spare'), and the wraithknight shot 1 destroyer and then assaulted the rest of the unit. Unfortunately, the wraithknight wiped his opponents completely, allowing it to be shot in the following turn, while the bloodthirster stayed safely in melee. I disembarked my wraithguard and shot another destroyer, my wraithlord killed a heavy destroyer (and routed the unit, unfortunately they would later rally). Both my wave serpents managed to do really well here. Despite jinking, the one still holding the flamer wraithguard managed to glance one of the doomscythes, while the one that had just deployed its unit downed the other.
With two turns played and tactical objectives, we were already 6-0 behind. Ouch.
In their third turn they poored almost everything they had on my wraithknight. It was deep in their deployment, out of combat, and about the only good target. Having cover, the wraithknight pulled fire from two destroyer units, a heavy destroyer unit, 2 predators, a dreadnought, and 3 razorbacks, it finally went down. The remaining two flyers finally managed to knock the last hullpoint off of the wave serpent hiding in the backfield, and fire was poured into the keeper of secrets, my wraithblades and my wraithlords, mostly to no avail (although the keeper of secrets did get down to its final wound). The destroyer lord and its retinue of 3+ invulnerable save melee necrons used some wargear thing to teleport into our backfield. The space marine's warlord, a librarian, fled from his unit near the bloodthirster to sit in a nearby razorback on his own. The combat between the bloodthirster and the necron warriors ended in our favor.
in our third turn the keeper of secrets retaliated by cracking its whip and downing the 2nd doomscythe. My spiritseer weakened the necron lord's unit's weapon skill, which was then assaulted by tzeentch fire spell twice and then assaulted by a unit of horrors with the intention of tarpitting them. In the end this worked out quite well, with the unit being stuck and whittled down until only the destroyer lord made it out of combat with 1 wound remaining at the end of our turn 5. Seizing the initiative, the bloodthirster moved on to take on the space marine unit the librarian had just vacated. After having killed a destoyer in the previous turn, my wraithguard killed a razorback and proceeded to assault its contents. In hindsight, they couldn't have assaulted me yet in the following turn so I should've just waited. One of my wraithlords finished off the immobilized dreadnought. Knowing he still had some of the necron snipers deepstriking in later, I moved my flamer wraithguard over to the objective the now tarpitting horrors had been guarding. My remaining serpent, having been positioned to take out the necron flier downed by the keeper of secrets, had little else to do and took some potshots at some destroyers across the field, alas rather ineffectually. My wraithblades moved up to keep area denial in the middle around two objectives and perhaps draw some fire. And that they did, because
In their turn 4, they took out the wraithblades with the now arriving necron snipers and some more space marine shooting. The keeper of secrets was taken out by lascannon fire, the fight between my wraithguard and the space marines ground to a standstill, and my wraithlords were soaking up fire as if it was a refreshing shower. The bloodthirster once again had impeccable timing and removed the last of his opponents in his melee combat. Importantly, he popped smoke on the razorback containing the librarian.
In our turn 4, the bloodthirster moved up behind the razorback with the enemy warlord. We had just drawn a mission to eliminate an enemy character (or 3), and we were hoping to get to him. I think we put too much effort into this and I should've had my wraithlord move in and support the wraithguard in combat close by, but I shot and failed to kill the razorback. In the end the bloodthirster charged it and destroyed it, having the librarian walk out of the wreckage unscathed.
In their turn 5, the scared librarian climed out of the wreckage and tried to create as much distance between him and the bloodthirster. this proved unnecessary as they finally had a good shot at the bloodthirster, and took him out. a unit of necron warriors charged into my wraithguard in support of the marines they were fighting. Unfortunately my spiritseer killed the space marine sergeant in this turn - we would've gotten a victory point for it had it happened in our own turn. Other than that, the combat was still at a standstill. The stormtalon went into hover mode and tried to shoot my flamer wraithguard off of the objective, but only managed to kill 2.
In our turn 5 my remaining wave serpent turbo-boosted onto an objective, I shot, assaulted and destroyed the stormtalon with one wraithlord and the witchstaff of my spiritseer, and the other wraithlord joined the other wraithguard in their melee with the marines and necrons. While I had a resounding win in this combat round, neither opponent lost his wits and they stayed in the fight. The enemy destroyer lord finally broke free of his combat, and consolidated.
The roll for next turn came up as a 2, and so we ended it here. Primary objectives: 9 for them, 7 for us, but they also had slain both our warlords, so the final score was 11-7.
Wow, this was an exciting game to play with lots of laughs. The necrons were a pain to play against as they had a large volume of high strength low AP shooting with reroll to hit and to wound which more often than not made a mockery of the wraith construct's strengths. Despite that, the match was really tense and a few rolls or objective card draws different could have seen a different ending to the game.
With still having 6 wraithguard, both wraithlords (though 1 with only 1 wound) and both spirtseers and a wave serpent still standing, I think I did ok though.
Points to note: as I had and used the army now, it probably would've been better if one of the spiritseers would have been my warlord instead of the wraithknight. This was my original idea as well, so no idea why I decided to go for the wraithknight in the end anyway. Also it might be a good idea to equip the wraithlords with scatter laser/bright lance instead, but I'm not sure on that yet.
All in all I think I did good with few tactical mistakes, and most importantly all four of us had a very good time.
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Your picture of that section of your army shows how truly impressive those units look with that paint job. You've got a really great looking force there.
Regarding the battle report, Necrons are very annoying, I agree. I can't see a reason to tinker with your list though, apart from not making the Wraithknight the warlord, as you say. I would avoid changing the weapons on the Wraithlords for the simple reason that the Scatter Laser and Brightlance are suited to destroying different targets, so don't make for a good pairing.
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Oh man I love that shot of your army! As I said before... very ethereal which I love. Great bat-rep too. Necrons are VERY tough probably one of the toughest match-ups for Eldar and definitely our equal (if not superior) in raw power. Sounds like you played a good game, using terrain and manueverability to get those fire lanes and taking full advantage of the "range game".
My only question is why did you rush the Wraithknight into CC so early on? My question is pure curiosity and by no means a criticism as I'm guessing it was the presence of all the fliers firepower and Necron firepower and your were just trying to "hide" him in CC for awhile? I actually think the Wraithknight is not always the easiest unit to use. He's so expensive, everyones gunning for him and the 36" range requires him to be pretty dang close. I'd be interested to know what the situation is. Its funny I think you guys are my only Eldar buddies I can't talk tactics with anyone at my store!
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Well, there were 2 considerations. One: their whole army, save one unit, were ranged units, so going into melee I would be very tough to kill and hopefully safe from enemy shooting which was much more dangerous (although I killed the enemy unit too quickly and couldn't hide in the combat).
The second reason is that my ally had 3 flying monstrous creatures which were almost completely melee oriented, and one more relatively fast monstrous creature also focused on getting in melee combat. I thought the best thing to do is put pressure on the enemy as much as possible and not let my teammate run the gauntlet on his own.
In the end we had a lot of zone control: Apart from the flyers, the necron lord who deepstruck and the deepstriking necron snipers, none of their units even left their deployment zone. Unfortunately, the objectives that got drawn prevented us taking a lot of adventage of that.
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I thought the best thing to do is put pressure on the enemy as much as possible and not let my teammate run the gauntlet on his own.
I totally feel you on this one. In my double game the other week I definitely felt the need to throw my units into the fire as his guys were getting grinded up by Thunderwolves.
Also your explanation makes total sense. By no means was it a criticism. I've had to do the same thing many times with my Wraithknight. Its one of the reasons I'm gravitating towards Harlies. I feel the Eldar are increasingly in need of an interceptor unit that can go out and halt enemy units ready to rampage into the core of your army.
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I didn't feel critisized. You even made me think a bit more and articulate my reasons, and made me even more convinced I did the right thing :)
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well, I did a little side project.
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Now, you might be wondering why I'm showing off a rather mediocre piece of custom eldar terrain, like so
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That's because, when you turn it around, you get this:
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And inside, it has this:
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My own personal magnetized bits-container. All in style :)
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That's very clever, I really like that idea. I also rather like it as a piece of terrain. It looks a bit like a mini landing pad or shrine made out of wraithbone. My only suggestion might be to make it a bit richer in terms of its whiteness, if that's possible.
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it probably is, but a little bit overexposed on the camera
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That is a pretty clever terrain piece. Good job! :)
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that make for a pretty clever move there :D the terrain isn't so bad either :D sweet things to see^^
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I'm currently considering my wraithknight build/conversion/magnetisation. I was planning to build a little fountain like structure on the base to make it visually interesting and to have the knight something to pose off of.
so, here's the sketch I made (wait 5 seconds, it switches between the various main weapon options)
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What do you guys think of it? Anything I can do better, or different?
edit: I now realize I should've probably added a bit of shadows to the sketch to make it clearer to see. If you guys need it, let me know and I'll put some more work in it)
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Wow not sure how I missed that piece of Eldar terrain. I love it!It reminds of the piece inside the Iyanden Codex with Prince Y'riel and his Storm Guardians. Gotta make some myself.
Love your idea for the Wraithknight. Magnetizing the big man is super easy. There are magnets which fit right inside his arm sockets. I'll post some pix this weekend. Only thing you gotta be careful of is taking the arms on and off. The little nub which holds the shoulder pad in place is SUPER shallow and pops out quite easily. I've had to glue mine back in a number of times. I'd drill it out and green stuff it to save yourself the hassle.
Anyway awesome stuff as always Vonny.
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hey cavalier :)
I'm glad you like the terrain piece. I will likely have to build a second (different) one, as I don't expect the wraithknight's arm with the sword to fit in here. Suggestions for that are welcome!
Glad you like the knight's pose. It's the second time I make a quick sketch of a pose to try something out for my eldar, and it really helps me visualize how I want it to look. Thanks for the tips on the shoulder plates. As for magnetizing: I was planning to use 4 of my 4mm magnets in a cross/square pattern, as that would help keep the arm in place without swiveling. Before I work on that though I need to build the rest of the body so I can place them correctly, and before I build the rest of the body I would really need to build the base, and before I build the base I need to figure out the pose so I know where (and if) to place the fountain. Hence the sketch and me posting it here :)
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hey there vonny well as far as i can tell the pose you show us are really nice, they look dynamic and the idea to put the feet on something make for a great impact i love that. you have my vote casted: go for it.
regarding the box :/ i'm sorry but i have no idea in my head right know :/
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I like the box, great idea. Sword, same here. Maybe another piece with a long box.
The knight will look very dynamic, can't wait to see it put together.
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So, there were a few issues getting the wraithknight like in the sketch I made.
The problem was something I've noticed ever since I've been working on the wraith army: it's so easy to lose sense of scale. And while the fountain is easily as high as a normal eldar, even including a somewhat scenic base, it's not nearly as high as I made it out to be in the sketch.
The second problem with scale was that the base isn't nearly as wide as I expected it to be (relative to the knight), so it couldn't very well lean up to the fountain and still have the fountain on the base. So with some creative tinkering I eventually ended up with the current solution.
Next to the complete reposing of both legs, I have also added some other small conversions already. I removed the struts at the hipjoints. I felt they looked more like imperial tech than eldar.
I also immediately got put off as I was fitting the exhausts at the front/side of the chest, as I felt they disturbed the neat lines of the model too much. In the end I shortened them a bit (probably no more than 2-3mm, best I could do), and flattened them a bit.
The base is still being worked on, it's just finished enough for me to glue the knight onto, and that helps a lot with getting a feel for where it sits in its own frame. I still think it's a bit too far to the side, but once again, it was the best I could do considering the space limitations.
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Looking great Vonny. I know what you mean about space limitations... that base gets cluttered quick! But I think what you've got looks awesome. Its gonna look great alongside your other models. Also I really love what you did with the legs... it really narrows the model at the hips streamlining the model quite a bit. Really an outstanding alteration
My only crit... and this is something I face when posing the Revenant I was working on... is getting the angle of the uplifted leg on the fountain right. I know you're still fiddling with it but it looks likes its pushing off the fountain instead of resting atop it. I think if the knight was facing the fountain (or at least his hips were swiveled in that direction) the pose would be a bit more spot on. However I know this is a WIP so its hard to really see the final product. But anyway it looks great I can't wait to see the final product!
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don't worry cavalier. That's exactly the kind of feedback I'm looking for. It helps me look at the project with new eyes, and see things I may have missed.
I know what you mean with the angle fo the foot. I don't want it fully standing on the fountain though, as that would remove a lot of the dynamism in the model. I think the pictures as they are also exxagerate the problem a bit, so for now I'm going to keep it as is and keep working. (also, if I move the foot a lot it actually moves to the other side of the fountain due to space constraints, and this makes it look as if the knight is stepping over the fountain. I tried this as well and it looks really... weird and static)
The narrow streamlined feel of the model is something I like as well. Together with the twist in the waist it makes it look really sleek, almost feminine. I hope this vibe stays when I put on the extra stuff such as the warpvanes on the back, the knees and the armour shielding on the hips and groin.
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WIP shots are always difficult to comment on as I find that once the model is finished and painted it always looks different.
I must admit though that I tend to agree with Cavalier. The pose at the moment makes it look like that the Knight has got its foot stuck in the fountain rather than stepping over it. This is mostly due to the angle of the leg and the twist of the torso and head. If the head and torso were to be turned at the same angle I think the pose might look more natural. All this might change though when all the missing items are in place.
I totally agree with you about the sleek look and I hope the finished model manages to retain some of this.
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i will have to agree with these guy's aswell i does not give the same vib as on your drawing. if you wnated to keep the pose dynamique, while turning your wraith knight, i might have an idea. you put the leg as if he is walking on the fontaine. that if you stay as is right know would make him static. But if you push the wraithknight forward and when i say forward i mean you extend the back leg and get the talon of the floor if nesseçary, puting his head over the knee really like if he was posing a foot on a rock the elbow on the knees while looking at the scenary. You don't put the elbow on the leg of course but you have to at least make him lean forward as if stepping on the fontain realy. i think that would keep it dynamic. the other option is to actually make the fontain bigger and put the leg a bit more on it, while looking on the opposite side it's actually looking . might make for some nice pose. as if he where taking a step on the fontain to jump as fast as possible in the other direction.
Well that was some idea for the pose. reagrding the slick look i like it aswell it gives it a very gentle feeling like a woment as you said earlier, i like it :D keep up the good work^^
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so, here's 4 pictures in one.
First one (top left) was of me celebrating getting the arm magnetized the way I wanted it. It's all rather bare bones still at the moment, but I think it'll give a good idea of the general eventual shape.
The next three pictures were after I broke off the foot to reposition it - I think you guys may have been right about it's pose being off, so I'm wondering if you like the new positioning better.
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As an extra: the way I modelled it now, the shoulders aren't nearly as wide as on the 'original' model. Furthermore, I made the gun sit under the arm instead of on the side, further slimming it down. I'm really thinking that the shoulder plates as they are supplied are waaaay oversized for how this one looks now, and am considering leaving them off entirely. That would, however, break quite a bit with the eldar aesthetic. Any opinions on that, or ideas on slimming the plates down?
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I like it better, the foot that is. As for the plates, it's realy hard to tell from these pics, maybe take one more from the center of the hips so we can see that side better. Also maybe tac the plate in place so we can make a better look at it. It's really looking good, wish I had tackled re posing one of mine.
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I love it! Absolutley killer pose Vonny... it looks so imposing and arrogant. Love the positioning of the arm too. As far as I'm concerned you've nailed it.
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I love it! Absolutley killer pose Vonny... it looks so imposing and arrogant. Love the positioning of the arm too. As far as I'm concerned you've nailed it.
I second this with gusto. :D
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so the foot's new position is better? Or is it just the arm that makes it come to life?
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Yeah the positioning on the leg is perfect. The angle on the body and the arm is the icing on the cake. The whole body is perfectly aligned... and I gotta say what you did with the hips is enables the entire thing. Bravo Vonny :)
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Yeah the positioning on the leg is perfect. The angle on the body and the arm is the icing on the cake. The whole body is perfectly aligned... and I gotta say what you did with the hips is enables the entire thing. Bravo Vonny :)
I double this
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well, this is how she stands at the moment. While the shoulder pads wouldn't be too oversized, I am now kind of forced to change them up as they don't fit over the right arm anymore, and I like its positioning too much to change that up.
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As I'm currently out of inspiration on how to proceed with the knight, I guess I'll have it stand on my desk while I continue on with the tyranid project. I hadn't quite finished that yet ;)
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Huuuu nice! Not much i can tell about what to do with it, But the finished posing is great and the absense of shoulder pad make for a very slender look i like it a lot :) keep at it ^^
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I wouldn't worry. Can you mount the shoulder pad on the arm as opposed to where the shoulder meets the neck? I think that would look fine (and would eliminate worrying about the shoulder pad popping off when taking the arms off for transport (if you magnetized).
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@cavalier: I did magnetize - but not for transport, but to be able to switch arms out. This also means I will have 2 more arms to build, and since I have only enough shoulder pads for one set of arms that won't work.
@grizzlykin: hah, thanks :) great to see your reaction. I'm really happy with the pose too, and the absence of shoulder pads does give the model a nice and slender look. But so far, all the eldar models I have worked on do have those shoulder pads, so I think it would be a weird 'design' choice to leave them off here. (yes, I did think that up after I posted about leaving them off last time)
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Awesome army mate.
Mind giving a quick run down on how you painted them?
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I sure can.
Basically I spray them black. Then I spray them white. (I've found with gw undercoat sprays, the white sticks better and has a way more even distribution if you spray the black first).
Everything that will end up yellow or bone gets an application of seraphim sepia (a sepia colored shade/wash, obviously). I will then liberally drybrush this back to white. This is to get the shade in, but not make it too harsh or dark. Everything that needs to be yellow then gets a coat of lamenter yellow (a glaze).
All the parts that go blue then get painted black first, then... what is it? Macragge blue? used to be mordian blue. Then I'll mix some old ice blue (no idea what the color is now) with plenty of glazing medium (I got vallejo's, but I'm sure now that GW has brought it out, that works too) and apply that to where I want a blue highlight. I clean up my brush, and 'draw it out', as it were, to make a more smooth transition between the dark and light blue. This also gets the ghostly or ethereal quality that it seems to have.
Anything that's black gets painted black, obviously. Highlighted with a bit of hawk turqoise (again, no idea what the current name for that color is), which I also apply on gems, the bases, and on any area that needs to look as if it's alight (such as the muzzle of the d-scythes). I also use this color for the blades, where I sometimes apply a bit of white as well to make the transition a bit smoother.
I hope this answers your question. It's a rather simple scheme, and I like it that way. I spend more time building than painting most models.
update for everyone else: Currently I'm working on the hands of my wraithknight (as those hyper-extended fingers aren't what I want), after that it's building the shoulder-mounted secondary weapons and prettying up the base, figuring out what I want with her lower back and perhaps adding in some of the wraithlord's banners and things. The model on its own would be the only one without any form of cloth on it, and I thought that'd be weird.
anyway, pictures to come soon!
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Can't wait, she's a beauty! Gah I really wish I had done more with my Wraithknight. I want to get a 2nd one for big apocalypse games and I'm gonna go crazy painting and modeling it like you did. Total inspiration Vonny can't wait to see her
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ok, I think she's ready to receive her undercoats and then start painting, but before I go there, I figured I should show the progress. Perhaps someone will point out something obvious I've missed and I will still have time to fix it.
Apologies in advance: The pictures aren't great quality, I'm afraid.
So we'll begin here, in the configuration that it's most likely to see play in:
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There are a lot of small and subtle things I changed from the original model. I added a small banner-like thing from the wraithlord kit to the hip shield. I switched around the front and back armour plate on the groin (more views on that later), because I thought it looked prettier this way. I made the engine exhausts on the chest slightly smaller (already told you guys that). I left off some parts on the lower back (more on that later too), to keep that slim waist. I had to move the shoulder plates just a little bit back to accomodate for the right arm, but I don't think you see any of it. With the warning that the shoulder plates had a tendency of snapping off if not made sturdy, I actually also glued them to the thing that goes over the shoulder plat from the back.
If we look down the arm, I switched the place of the weapon to underneath the arm instead of on the side. I think this looked slimmer, and is the halfway point between the underslung wrist mounted weapons of the eldar titan and the forearm, side mounted weapons of the wraithlord. I also decided to leave off the cowling around the wrist and the gun. It looks neat, but it'll only bulk and clutter up the model, and I didn't want that bulk!
Inspired by Andrew Hicks (who has a website where I go to look up eldar runes) I redid most of the muzzle part of the heavy wraithcannon. This way it looks more in line with the design of the normal wraithcannons, and it shortens it up slightly too, which I think both look better than the original.
Next up: the little sensor array on top of the shoulder. I am always afraid that if I keep it flat, long-term use of snapping things on and off with the magnets will ruin the paint job if nothing is there to hide it, and thus I built something to cover that up. Enter, this little lens-thingy that I scrounged from the wave serpent's weapon sprue. Lastly, I changed the order and the angle of the warpvanes on the back. They're angled slightly to the side and more upwards than the original setup, and the bottom two have switched places.
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The suncannon option. Not much to add here except that I shortened the suncannon barrel slightly (and it's still very, very long) and I switched the tri-fuel pod thing to the back to look more like its little starcannon siblings. Also depicted: the removal of the gun on the right shoulder and another sensor in its place.
What I forgot to mention is that I changed the fingers on both hands. The hyper extended fingers from the kit as is look... weird, so I changed them up and just hope it will look good even after painting.
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The sword combo. The best best picture of this was from this angle. As you can see, other shoulder mounted weapon options available. I kept the warpvane on the forearm on the side, like with the smaller wraithblade unit. You can also see the front and backplate on the groin switch, and that I filed off the middle 'bulge' on what used to be the backplate.
finally,
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I just completely filled this up. It used to be completely smooth, but that made the area too empty and blank, so I carved in these lines that will hopefully resemble the lines visible on the chest plate of the wraithknight when it's all done and painted up. the little greenstuff you see on the small of the back between the shield is me covering up some damage from an earlier attempt to make sure the magnetized torso always sat the same direction when placed on the hips. I got it to work in the end, but at a different spot.
So, hope you enjoy this alltogether long rant and the bad quality pictures that came along with it.
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Wow... this is a real stunner Vonny. I can't tell you how impressed I am. Although you said as much I can believe how awesome the magnetized options look. Really really excellent execution. I gotta say my favorite small detail is the "lamp" on his shoulder... SO COOL! In one of the illustrations from the 6th ed codex there is a light shining from the Knight's shoulder pad through the rain and it looked so cool. It'd be awesome if you did a OSL effect on there.
Also the angling on the warp vanes is so awesome! Definitley gonna steal that from you.
Anyway congrats on such an awesome modelling job. It must have been nerve wracking. No critiques or suggestions on my part, you killed it!
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wow, thanks Cav.
Now that you mention it, I remember that image with the light shining from the shoulder. And while I probably could do OSL lighting painted on there (I've done so plenty on my marines) it will look rather awkward when I remove the lamp to put a second shoulder weapon on... so I guess that'll have to pass, sadly. I am now considering painting it like a light source instead of a gem/glass part though.
Also, yes, it was rather nerve-wrecking. In hindsight, I'm quite happy with how the project turned out, but would have probably been happier if I'd placed the fountain a bit more to the... ugh, hard to explain. Bit more to the right in the first two pictures, bit more to the 'north' in the 3rd picture. That way the whole model could've stayed the same but turned a bit on the base, and would've had a better angle when compared to the middle line crossing the greates length over the base. But I'm not going to change that. Getting the legs as they are was a really hard task, and the base has been created and build up so much that tearing that down ad cleaning it up and doing it over seems like a lot of work, if possible at all.
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No problem Vonny. Really loving the model. Don't worry about those little details about things that could be better you'll forget them in a few months. I always stress about those kinds of things when the model is finished then I totally forget after a handful of games.
Thats cool that you know how to OSL, also agree with you on how weird it would look when you pop a secondary weapon on there. Its still a real neat modelling choice regardless. Can't wait to see some paint on it! Keep it up!
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Hey vonny I did not noticed you had posted some update ! That's awesome !! The pose and the tweeks you did right and left really look absolutly awesome ! Keep up the good work !
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She looks great Vonny. All those little changes make a huge difference to the final look and feel of the w'knight.
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It's done so well bud that I'm thinking about disassembling my unfinished one to pose it as well. Now that is a great compliment from me to you.
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Wow everyone. Those are some mighty kind words and some humbling compliments. Thank you very, very much.
I couldn't help but want to do something back, but I have little to show for now. So you'll have to settle for this photo, inspired by Rx8Speed's pre-paint shot: the model with all the to be used paints arrayed behind it. Which are surprisingly little, actually.
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that's a nice photo indeed :D i think that's something that is going to become common in the forum >< kinda like i'm gonna do it too it help grasping the painting processs a lot faster :)
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right, I believe she's just about done. However, before I post full images up, I wanted to run her by you guys for feedback!
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That's her in all her glory. I feel like I might be well served with a few more freehand blue on her, even if it's only the straight lines some of cavalier's wraithguard have. I also feel like I should add the Iyanden symbol or at the very least the infinity circuit symbol somewhere. Completionist issues....
Another thing I'm not sure of is the area of the intakes above the shoulders. Should I keep that bone colored rim, or should I make it yellow? Should I make the little ovals right next to the grate black and teal or white and teal? A close up for a bit more detail:
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Also, cavalier, you might notice I did the gem in the 'searchlight' as a gem, and a sensor, instead of as a light. That's not because I stubbornly held fast to my original idea. I actually did make a light, but felt like it didn't sit quite as pretty. As if it didn't fit there. Since I have 2 of those things, I decided to paint both differently so I could hold them side by side and see which I like more.
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And to give that a bit more context:
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As a side project, I also painted up another farseer made to be spiritseer. I kept the eyes in the helmet because they were quite a big part in making the helmet look intense. Besides, it's iyanden, spiritseers are actual commanders and can't afford to keep their eyes closed to the world of the living...
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What do you guys and girls think?
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the spirit seer is beast ! I don't think you need more on it, it's really good like this. the shadow/ higlight on the robe and mantle are outsanding !
The wraithknight. The base... OMG! this is just awesome the look of it is excelent! The wraithknight in itself... huumm i would see a bit more blue in there, I think to make more impact you would need a bit more. How to put it in without breaking your color balance and etherial look ... i don't know really. the impression might only be because i can't fully appreciate the paint job you did on the yellow without having the model by my side but. well there's my thought. It look absolutly gorgeous non the less !
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All of those models are stunning. They are your best yet, and that's saying something because the paint work on those which preceded them was excellent too. That Wraithknight, in particular, stands out.
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Sweet zombie Jesus they're awesome! I have to rate the paint job as five stars, five out of five, 100%...I could go on. ;) ;D
The Wraithknight is especially too cool for words. 8)
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wow. Thanks for the kind words everyone!
@grizzly: I agree with you. It needs a bit more blue. just a liiiiiitle bit. Hence me pondering where I could add a freehand, where would it look in place and balance the colors out a bit more.
@Irisado: Well, the wraithknight kinda stands out on account of its size, too. But thank you for the kind words. It's funny how painting it took about 1/4ths of the time it took to build and convert.
@skitarii: *blush*
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Jaw drop... ok well vonny you have a stunning army. It's ridiculous how good it look... awesome job really!
Onto the wraith knight where could you free hand? I have 3 option in mind. The back pack, onto the long stick thing on the back pack, would counter the massive yellow at the front. The knee protection, this is in the lower part of the model that blue is the most absent so perhaps something on the knee might help. The foot. Even further down i don't think it's absolutely the best place there is but this would put more interested into the lower part of the model and the pose.
I just thought that you could do something onto the torso or a leg aswell, if you have a nice free hand motif that would perhaps make it look like a tatoo that might be intresting. Even more since it will create an asymétric design. But that's only if you like weird and unexpected things.
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Here in the states this is what we call a GRAND SLAM. Absolutely gorgeous stuff Vonny. Color choices, execution are all stunning. All the most noticeable parts... the face the marbled yellow all amazing... but the little stuff like the choice for the alternating black plates on the scattershield, the predominately light blue band of runes and sword, and also the freaking sick freehand on the leg plate is all just the icing on the cake that take this model above and beyond.
BTW the sensor looks great and I'd keep the rim of the air intakes bone. I LOVE low contrast colors and its a great spot to show that off. As for additional freehand work like squad markings or what have you... I don't think you NEED something to. Something to indicate what warhost its attached to would be cool, but I would be careful not to go overboard as you don't want the details take away from the statuesque uniformity you achieved. Basically I love the way it looks and wouldn't want you to push it too far.
But hey what can I say I absolutely love it Vonny. What a mighty lord of war. Congrats!
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Well then, the final pictures.
Here's the suncannon option:
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Not much to say I guess. As you can see, I altered the cannon's design a bit, mainly shortening it a bit and moving the three-fuel-thingy to the back. Not only did this tie it in a bit more with its smaller brother's design (the starcannon), but also made it easier to magnetize to boot. Yay!
The sword option:
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As you can see, I switched the shoulder-mounted weapon options as well, for your viewing pleasure.
The dual wraithcannon picture:
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Also depicted: the unfinished spiritrune on the back. As with all my wraith constructs so far, I have not yet decided how I want to paint this. I really should get around to making a decision on that.
And just because I can. The pointy gun version:
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So very good :). They're all great in my opinion, and my favourite has to be the sword version. That just looks really impressive and imposing. You've made me like a model that I don't believe should have been introduced in the first place thanks to your modelling and painting skills :).
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Oh sweet looking model! Vonny i think you really nailed it with this guy, everypose works great and every weapon choice feel unique in it's own way. that's some really splendid work you did here you have a my ultmost respect.
keep at it :D what's next ?
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Absolutley majestic Vonny. I absolutley love it. I wanna make a new one myself now! Damn you! ;D
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@irisado: I wholeheartedly agree with you, and it was originally not in my lists. However, it was in the wraithhost box and I figured I should paint it anyhow... I'm glad I made you like it. :) Or should I be sorry?
@grizzly: Yes, I hoped that I could get each pose to work with all the options. I'm glad you think I managed to do that. What's next: probably another wraithguard unit and their accompanying wave serpent. However, since I'll have central heating installed soon and I need create a clear working space for the people who will be installing it, it's not really the best time to start a new project. Soon, though, soon!
@Cavalier: Sorry... :( please forgive me!
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You can just be glad :). Given that I no longer play the game, you're not influencing me to part with money :D.
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intermission: work is being done on the doom of iyanden...
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Oh hell yeah. So looking forward to this
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That has got to be the prettiest Tyranid I have ever seen. Am I right in thinking that once the model is finished it will look a bit darker than it does at the moment?
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It's so chrisp and clear! I love it! :)
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Hehe, I really need to get a good 'diorama' going with both armies facing off against eachother. And then get some really good photographs of it...
@alienscar: I think the model looks a bit brighter than usual because of the picture quality and the fact that I haven't done the base yet and the model contrasts brightly against the black base. The army as a whole looks pretty dark when I look at it, especially in comparison with my Iyanden.
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Mind blowing effort going on here.
The yellow is so soft and I really like it. Really defines the soft curves the Eldar are known for.
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In the future, please use the modify button. Double posting is against the forum rules, and for that reason, the system merged your posts.
Womanly curves might I add!
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Mind blowing effort going on here.
The yellow is so soft and I really like it. Really defines the soft curves the Eldar are known for.
Post Merge: August 25, 2015, 05:23:41 PM
In the future, please use the modify button. Double posting is against the forum rules, and for that reason, the system merged your posts.
Womanly curves might I add!
Perverted one spotted here !
On an other topic i was wondering what brought you to paint you tyranide that way? What made it that you went for such violent color theme, because to me it look violent. I mean, dark blue and dust brown, it sure speak power to me.
It really contrast with the slender and etheraiml use yku make of blue and yellow for your eldar army.
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ok, old school stuff coming here.
When I was younger, I had this game. That game was:
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As you can see, there's a genestealer over there
Years later, I started my tyranid collection. Mind you, this was still in the later stages of tyranids looking like a collection of bright candy on the tabletop. But I really, really liked that 2nd edition hive tyrant model, and I bought it, and it was the start of an obsession I still have to this day.
I decided to paint it up like the box art for space crusade - however, with only very limited paint and limited funds available, I had to make do. Hence the purple being a LOT darker than on the box art (for those who still now it, I started using imperial purple), and the claws a lot brighter. By the time paints were taken out of production I decided to try and keep teh same colors anyway, because I didn't feel capable of painting things again without messing up. And by the time I did feel like I might have that skill, I no longer felt the need to as the army already was so big by then...
So there you have it.
a friend of mine commented that the 4 options for type of tyranid paint shown in the 3rd ed codex were all in my painting scheme: natural colors, bright colors, dark colors, contrasting colors. And I still like it :)
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Space Crusade! Damn I never got a chance to play this game but the models are freaking awesome! The Eldar minis are so damn cool! I actually have a Dark Angels Dreadnought from this game and I'm waiting to get some bits to convert to a more modern looking unit.
So excited you're gonna add some bugs to your collection Vonny. Having your main army's rivals in your collection is so thematic. I've got a tiny little Chaos collection meant for the same thing but I just never seem to devote any money towards expanding it. Anyway can't wait to see where this leads, keep us posted!
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adding tyranids to my collection...
well, I've already got around 3k of tyranids, Cav :)
They're more my main army and the main reason I really wanted an Iyanden force of eldar.
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Man I've seen your tag below your avatar like a thousand times and I should have realized. Thats awesome but... you've been holding out on us! Where the heck are Iyanden vs. Bugs pictures!? lol
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I still have Space Crusade at my parent's house, and it was great fun to play. I also still have a pot of Imperial Purple paint. It's great to read about how the box art inspired you :).
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on request: most of my recently finished victims/predators of craftworld Iyanden.
some rippers
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and some termagants. Not painted in this sitting, but they were still on bare black bases. Since I did base them this time, I included them here
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Some spore mines, big and small. The big ones are meiotic spores, but they will be used as mucolid spores.
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and my very first venomthrope. One more (at least) to follow at a later date
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And a converted hive guard. As I don't like tyranids walking around with weapons in their hands I try to convert most of them to be different (except for the termagants, so far)
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not shown are my tyrant guard, as one of them has half a dead space marine on the base and I was still working on painting his blood all over the place at the time these pictures were taken.
edit: I forgot to mention I tried making a good picture of my whole Tyranid army in the display cabinet, but that kinda failed badly. Couldn't get any sharp pictures...
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It might just be me Vonny but I can't see any of your photo's.
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Me neither, sorry for the trouble.
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ok, uploaded the images elsewhere, now they should work again :)
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You srly are good at this, they look freakin damn cool! Looking forward to your next eldar update.
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Hot damn! I absolutley love them Vonny. Is the color scheme accurate to Hive Fleet that attacked Iyanden or is it unique? My faves are the Tyrant Guard and the Meiotic Spores, though they all look great. I love how you didn't cheap out on the Rippers and loaded them up on those bases.
This army is killing me! Though I'm working on those baby armies of Chaos, the army I really want to build is a Tyranid army... just so dang expensive!
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Craftworld Iyanden was attacked by Hive Fleet kraken, which originally was colored bone/brown bodies with red carapace.
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After the defeat of the two main prongs of its attack at Ichar IV and craftworld Iyanden though, Kraken split up into what are collectively called Hive Fleet Kraken's Splinter Fleets. A large number of hive fleets that each followed their own path and got bigger or smaller depending on what they encountered.
Because it was no longer a single fleet, it is much more difficult (for the imperium at least) to mount an effective defense against it because the small hive fleets would often spill through the cracks and attack vulnerable worlds behind the main defensive ring, and any planet lost would bleed the imperium dry even more. Any world theat was succesfully defended or burned in exterminatus while the tyranids were present, would always remain a threat as well. A small number of tyranid organisms would often survive to slowly grow into a bigger threat and even become space-capable once again.
All these splinter fleets followed their own evolutionary path, including specialisations of creatures as well as skin/carapace/exoskeleton colors, and many of those fleets would be codified with names of their own. Sometimes they would meet eachother again, and fight eachother to the death - while this may seem like a good thing, ultimately all the biomass would be reconstituated by the victorious fleet, along with any good adaptive evolutions picked up, leaving a fleet of larger size with the best of both worlds.
My fleet is called hive fleet Charybdis (own name), and is a splinter fleet from hive fleet Kraken, wreaking havoc on all their prey on the eastern fringe. So, while not the official original color seen at the invasion of craftworld Iyanden, it is the same fleet, more or less.
edit: ooh, I forgot to mention. I tallied up the new additions to my fleet this morning. Fully wysiwyg, without any upgrades such as old adversary and regeneration that won't be visible on the models, my fleet just crested the 3k points. If I were to add things like regeneration and toxin sacs (which officially should be modelled on, but it's a pain to do so and noone ever notices anyway) I would easily make it a lot higher still!
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Stunning work Vonny and, just like Cav, the Spores are my favourite. It's funny though that as brilliant as your painting is I am drawn to the bases just because they look so good.
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I far prefer your scheme Vonny. I'm not a huge fan of the modern Tyranid paint schemes. IMO Tyranids were meant to be purple!
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Ah, sorry for the lack of updates. I've both been very busy with non-hobby related stuff, been working on too many projects at once again (including building a wraithknight finger from scratch - one broke off, presumably during transit, and I couldn't find it anymore, so now I have to sculpt one myself) and having some health issues getting in the way, but there is some progress to be shown.
... and at least it's yellow.
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but wait, what's that there in the background...? ;)
I realized I still owe you some pictures of my tyrant guard, but the connection cord between my photo camera and usb entrance of my system has decied to hide itself somewhere... so I'll have to get back to you on that.
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Hell yeah. Looking great Vonny! Nice to see some Lamenters units on the p-log! What is that in the background? Are those more Wraithguard with magnetized options?! Nice.
Sorry to hear about your Wraithknight. If you haven't glued the hands on, you can the hands relatively cheap on ebay. I've ordered them a number of times just to get the fist-hands.
Also sorry to hear about your health. I'm constantly battling health issues myself, mainly various injuries. So I feel you! Hope you are feeling better/on the mend. Also hope you share some of your gaming exploits on the tabletop. Its been awhile since I've seen an Iyanden army featured in any kind of bat-rep. I'd imagine they'd be an unholy terror of the tabletop! Anyway Vonny thanks for the update and I hope you are feeling better.
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Cool! Such a different color choice. It has such a pleasant visual effect.
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ok, I can't find the cable that's supposed to connect my camera to the computer, so I'll have to make do with my cell phone camera.
Forgive me the bad picture quality.
My final wraithguard unit is finally done!
This unit was a blast to paint. Everything seemed to be going smoother, from their construction to the painting of the infinity circuit symbols. I guess I'm getting better at this thing...
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And the back of the shoulder banner of the unofficial squad leader:
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I really liked the asymmetrical aspect of this spirit fire symbol, and I plan to do some assymetrical paint on their wave serpent transport as well. Speaking of which, it's being built. After that's done - just one more unit of guardians and then all that's left is this lone howling banshee model that I got once. So almost done!
Enjoy!
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That banner has turned out really well, I agree. I would say that all the Wraith models that you've painted over the course of this project blog have been excellent. I squad leader for this unit is probably the best of the lot though. This army of yours is going to look really impressive once everything is finished.
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Hot damn... incredible. That squad leader is an absolute stunner. The flame glyph, the banner, the pose all ridiculously awesome. The freehand infinity circuit runes are excellent as well.
Really love the new unit Vonny. You gotta get someone to run Nids against your Iyanden and do a bat-rep when your Eldar are where you want them to be.
Phenomenal stuff Vonny absolutely love it.
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I am currently teaching two new friends on how to play and how to paint warhammer. As I'm the one teaching them, it might be that it becomes less power-gamey than my usual player group and more about good narrative games (depending on how that fits with their personality). Once that starts off, I might chose to let one of them play my 3k+ pts tyranids and just field my eldar myself and see how long I last. Here's hoping!
Also, an addendum on my previous post. Not shown, but definately available, alternative weapon options for that wraithguard unit.
And while magnetizing the other weapon options for my wave serpent tonight, I discovered that I have actually magnetized them the wrong way 'round... oops!
Well, not the weapon options themselves, but the small shielding armour thingies on the outside.
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My god vonny those wraithguard are beautiful! I love them! Seriously, good job making such a difficult to work with (in my own opinion) colour come out so well. :)
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Stunning. It is ridiculous how good these models look Vonny and I am left bewildered by just how fantastic they look. The first group photo in particular just blows me away as the painting and posing comes together so well that it looks like you have caught them moving.
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so, just digging out some magnets and I've solved one problem
@everyone: Thanks for the compliments. I always try to make the posing of my models look good, as I think it's one of the most important things to make a model look 'real'. I myself am very happy with this unit too, especially the squad leader as he/she/it looks positively badass.
Unfortunately, I've hit another standstill as I need to wait for more magnets to arrive. I'll not let that keep me down though, and for that I'm asking your help. Is there any top-down wire frame view of a wave serpent? I can only find a rather inaccurate one, and I'd like one to draw out some ideas for my paint scheme. See what would and wouldn't work before I actually commit the paint to the actual model.
if not, I'll have to take some good pictures of my wave serpent and color that...
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Hi vonny take at look at this link to a post on DakkaDakka (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/567046.page). Scroll down to the second reply from Kroothawk.
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Now Thats cool. Looks worth what they're asking. Thanks
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So, I had a small break from painting eldar and instead painted some terrain for them to fight over. Uninspired imperial terrain it may be, I wanted to show it to you guys anyway.
Especially because I could use your help, but more on that later.
Some Aegis defence lines and a vengeance weapons battery
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And a Firestorm Redoubt
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And some wall of martyrs defense emplacements.
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I painted them mainly in this two-color theme, to make sure that they remained visually interesting while not too busy and actually detracting from the models that are fighting around them. Terrain, I think, should look interesting but not take the focus away from the models - after all, it's all about the armies facing off against eachother.
As you can see, there's part of it unpainted still - this would be the heaps of skeletons armored in cadian-style flak, as well as weapons, ammo crates, and other various imperial guard odds and ends (I say imperial guard, not astra militarium, as there's no imperial navy equipment to be seen, as far as I can tell).
I would have liked painting them in a color that was killed by tyranids - but there's little data on that. So with all options open, I'm just looking for a way to paint them that makes them not too flashy and eye-drawing. They're still terrain, and I think they should remain in the background of the miniatures fighting around them, not drawing attention to themselves.
So I'm open for suggestions!
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This looks very similar to the paint scheme chosen for a set of building on one of the large tables at Warhammer World. You've done a great job with ensuring that paint job is not too distracting. I really like it :).
As for the colours for the remaining parts, I'd say that some grey and brown colours would work best for the armour pieces, clothing, and equipment bags. For things like ammo crates and weapons perhaps whatever the equivalent of Boltgun metal is now would work? Or is that going to be a bit bright? Any skeletal bodies could be painted a very dull white or cream.
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Great paint job on the terrain there vonny! I think that is actually a good idea with regards to painting terrain; keeping it understated so as to not draw attention away from the armies themselves and to actually highlight them.
As for the flak armour, if it was me I'd paint it in a colour scheme that would look suitable on an IG model with a base identical to your Eldar. So a sort of sandy desert scheme. It's simple to do and would contrast really well with the structure themselves. I hope that helps.
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Looking very nice Vonny. The Wall of Martyrs set is a phenomenal kit. Totally classic... I don't think you'll ever regret going with traditional colors on the terrain. I'm jealous I wish I had some of those pieces!
As for the dead Guardsmen, you could with a Zendri Dust colored armor with a Reikland Flesh wash and a little bone colored dry brushing for highlights. It'll standout just enough to get noticed, but blend in with sort of dark bronze colors on the guns detailing.
BTW Vonny I thought this might give you some ideas for you Wave Serpent paint scheme:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LG94cYgeUSY/Ue1buzvIgvI/AAAAAAAAAFI/4RRcxEZiMl8/s1600/Wave+Serpent_Done_1_7-22-13.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LG94cYgeUSY/Ue1buzvIgvI/AAAAAAAAAFI/4RRcxEZiMl8/s1600/Wave+Serpent_Done_1_7-22-13.jpg)
Craftworld Thae Anor: Eldar (http://craftworldthaeanor.blogspot.com/search/label/Eldar)
I think I'm going to steal some of those ideas for the detailing on my Hornets and other vehicles.
Anyway great stuff Vonny can't wait to see your Eldar duking it out on that terrain!
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So cav, AGES ago you asked for objective marker pictures. Not all of them are available, but here's two at least:
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and a work in progress: (https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi864.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fab205%2Fvonny83%2FSpace%2520Marines%2FWork%2520in%2520Progress%2FIMG_0316.jpg&hash=9c540823f204c45962621f74e9863068efce4970) for my space marines
so, yes, I've been away for a very, very long time. But I'm back, and slowly building up speed in painting and building again. I hope to be able to show you some more eldar soon, as I've started painting the last wave serpent and have finished building and basing everything else I still had.
Concerning that, I have a single banshee that I got from someone. I've always liked banshees. However, their main shrine color is bone, but I've already got bone color on the bases and the weapons and fear the banshee will get lost if I paint her the same. So... anyone have any ideas?
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There are numerous Eldar Aspect shrines whose colours differ from the standard colour scheme of their Aspect. There is a shrine of the Howling Banshees which incorporates a lot more fiery orange red onto the body instead of the bone. An example can be found on page 20 of the Eldar & Dark Eldar Collectors Guide if you have it. There are also variant colour schemes in White Dwarf 127. If you don't have either of those, I turned up some interesting colour schemes for Howling Banshees on Google, but the best ones, in my opinion, involve red or red/orange colours.
I love how you've made use of the Sorcerer's Table from Heroquest :). That's ideal for the Thousand Sons. The other objectives look good too, but the Chaos one is my favourite.
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Dear lord Vonny the table from Hero Quest is sick! The marble effect is unbelievable. I really love it. BTW I'm working on a monster Thousand Sons commission well over a thousand points.
The Tyranid pit is awesome too. Did you make that or did you buy it? It looks great.
The archeo-tech objective looks awesome as well. Is it for your Lamenters (who I love)?
Anyway great to see you back Vonny you're one of my faves. Thanks for sharing!
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@irisado: fiery orange on banshees? That's something I'd have never thought of. Thanks for the tip, I'll try and look it up (was thinking a bit purple-like myself)
And yes, the heroquest altar is perfect for the thousand sons.I made sure it's removable from that base so I can still use it in heroquest too.
@cav: Thank you for the compliments. the marble effect on the table was something I just had to try out to give the table a bit more gravitas, because while it looks large and ominous now, I was fearing it would look.... well, like a plastic table.
The tyranid pit is actually a piece from the battle for macragge starter set. Over the years I've managed to collect 3, just the right amount, so once I find my flat 60mm bases again, all my tyranid objectives will look like that. I've even thought of changing the number of tentacle areas on them to distinguish between objective #1, 2 and 3 without it looking out of place.
And yes, the archeotech will be for my lamenters. I modelled it a bit after a power building thing from danw of war 1. It will have more yellow on it, and I've modelled a flag on the ground which will have the lamenter symbol to tie the piece a bit more in to the army.
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progress is being made...
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Those are some sweet paint jobs on those tanks. :)
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Looking very promising Vonny :). As always, you've got the yellow and blue spot on. I'm looking forward to seeing how this progresses.
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If you are still trying to think of a way to paint the Banshee, the 2nd edition codex has an example where they did the armour plating in bone, but went a dark colour for the suit. The effect still works well on the new models too.
If you are after purple, Coolminiornot has a mix of purple, bone and green. There was also an interesting scheme of purple and turquoise?
Nice job on the WaveS.
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Hey Vonny looking killer as always. Love those soft yellows, very unique and very cool. The markings are excellent as well. Always nerve wracking throwing down those chevrons and whatnot but when you execute they look so great.
Also about the Banshees (I forgot to comment on this last time) you could always do them up in black armor. I think that would look killer, even give them yellow and blue hair to tie it into your Craftworld. Pretty sure there is a color plate for that scheme in the new Codex. But I've seen Banshees in black (and red usually) and they look killer. Anyway great stuff and keep us posted!
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The banshee is such a gorgeous model that painting it in any craftworld palette will still look good. I did mine as can alternative to Ibryasil using Aliatoc Blue for the body, white for the head and blond for the hair and it turned out wonderful. I could see you doing a the same, except maybe making the hair as your yellow accent. The mostly blue body suit would be a good contrast to your mostly yellow vehicles, which are superbly done by the way.
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Hello everyone.
So first things first: The race to get everything ready for the tournament at the start of june has reached it's first milestone... well, probably second as building everything was the first, but... well, it's a milestone. The finished serpent!
This is my second serpent, and you can see it here, right next to the first one:
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As some of the more astute may notice, it's not really ready yet. For example, it has no craftworld Iyanden symbol anywhere, and I plan to do that as soon as I have the time (read: after every other model I need for the tourney is 'tabletop ready'). I'm also slightly worried about the color balance, with a lot of blue in the front and little in the back. My original plan (see below) had a few panels on the back of the craft in blue as well, and I can add those later if I want. What do you guys think?
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Next up: Here's the banshee so far. I'm thinking turqoise mane, and perhaps do the shoulder guard in yellow as well. Then of course all the black parts and the blue parts (such as the belts). I'm thinking of making the power sword white and light blue instead of white and turqoise, to differentiate it from the ghostblades (and the mane) without deviating from existing colors even further. What do you guys think about that? Or about the mini as a whole so far, does the purple/bone work or does she dissappear into her base and/or the shuriken pistol into her?
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I think that the balance of yellow and blue is correct, but if you're looking to ensure that, I'd recommend extending it to the engines as you have with the Wave Serpent on the right of picture. Those vehicles are looking very good to me :).
Regarding the Howling Banshee, she does not disappear into the base and I like the sound of the colour combinations you are proposing. I'm forward to seeing how that model progresses.
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Excellent stuff as always Vonny. The Serpents look absolutely incredible. I give you a lot of credit for going all out on the blue markings and executing it perfectly. I think the Serpent in the bottom pic could use a little blue on the "spoiler" or whatever its supposed to be. Though the color balance is really nice regardless.
The Banshee is also incredible! Wow so soft and ghostly. I absolutely love it. I don't think it disappears at all, its low contrast to be sure, but thats what I think makes it stand out! I wouldn't change anything. Can't wait to see her with blue hair too... fantastic!
Anyway great stuff as always Vonny can't wait to see the force you are putting together. Keep it up!
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I really like the original paint scheme and I think the low contrast paint job really works. The only thing I may suggest is to have a high contrast paint job on the base to really make the model stand out. Doing a really bright, loud colour for the hair and sword would definitely help the model pop as well. I agree with adding a little more blue to the second serpent, just to balance it out. Overall, I'm loving your paint scheme and technique. Keep up the good work!
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I think your Serpent looks briliant as it is and I prefer the way it looks now rather than how it looks in your original plan. In your original plan I think that the blocked out rear panels actually unbalances the look of the Serpent rather than balancing the colour scheme. If you want add more blue at the back then I think it would look better if you added diagonal markings.
I must be honest vonny I am not a huge fan of the Banshee's pastel look and in some way I agree with you that the model does seem to disappear. That said I can imagine that once you have finished it in the way that you have described it will look completely different and I will love it.
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I am glad you guys are so honest with me!
I think that once I've painted up the rest of the model, and added the turqoise to the base, she'll be fine. You've given me the courage to push on.
Quick update:
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Please ignore the pretty floral underground. We're using them to paint on specifically because we don't mind them getting covered in paint... anyway, this is the last bit I need to finish. I have, however, not yet chosen which Iyanden house they all hail from. So basically I still have a spiritseer, a warlock, and the guardian unit to pick (because I'll not put a house symbol on this banshee).
I'm open to suggestions!
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Man Iyanden Guardians just look the best. You did a great job Vonny. I think you executed perfectly. Love the Warlock too, he was always one of my favorite sculpts.
Any idea on what your gonna run on the weapons platform?
Anyway the paint jobs look absolutely awesome. Love the low contrast look it makes them look really ghostly which is really cool considering how strong the colors are. Great stuff as always Vonny keep it up!
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They're not done yet, Cav, but thanks. The white helmets do work on them, but I'm really gonna make them blue.
The weapon platforms, as everything, are magnetized, but for the current round they'll be fielding starcannons
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ah, small update.
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so... the hair looks a bit weird at the edge with the sword, but that's because the paint's still a bit wet, I think. And, of course, crappy phone camera.
I think I'll make the shoulder guard yellow too, but otherwise I think she's done. What do you think?
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I think that you could get away without adding the yellow to the shoulder guard, although it's not going to hurt if you do decide to add that. It looks very good in my opinion. You're just so precise that the finish looks great :).
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I love it Vonny. Came out truly, truly excellent. Definitely has that ethereal, alien vibe going to max effect. The paint job is just superb as are the color choices. I think you COULD add a yellow shoulder pad and it'd look great, if you didn't want to add it I don't think it would hurt the model one bit. But I tend to go understated sometimes to my detriment. Anyway fantastic stuff as always Vonny. Can't wait to see the whole squad!
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Wow, thanks for the compliments. Those were some very kind words and I wouldn't be surprised if I have a pair of red cheeks behind my screen.
so, yes, I will add the yellow shoulder. I think it would bring in a bit more yellow to tie it in with the rest of the army. And it wouldn't be too much work.
Unfortunately, there won't be a whole squad. This is a single model I got from a friend some time ago, and I refuse to get the finecast ones. So unless I stumble upon a group of metal ones, this is where it'll stay. A single howling banshee from the wraithmane shrine (being fielded as an autarch).
Maybe some striking scorpions soon...
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So... battle report time!
tournament is tomorrow, and I had one final 'practise round' with my girlfriend.
She had 10 assault terminators divided over 2 land raider redeemers, 2 venerable dreads with assault cannons, a fancy captain, some bikers and some filler marine squads.
me... I had my wraithlist.
In spirit with the tournament, we had a scouring mission, but also used objective cards (of which you could at max win 2 each turn).
so, I allowed her to deploy first, and placed my army opposite. I knew her land raiders and terminators were her hard hitting units, and saw that she had placed her scary bikes with grav guns on the outside. So that's where I kept my wraithknight away from.
big blue and see-through dice are placed near each objective (to keep count of which objective was which and what they're worth)
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in the first turn she moved up, knocked 2 wounds off of my knight (she moved faster than I expected), and killed a lone guardian. She did get 3 objective points too - one from capping a certain objective, and two from holding 3 objectives total.
I took this photo right after my movement phase
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My first turn saw an aggressive counter response. She had underestimated the amount of damage my wraithguard could do, and after moving forward, disembarking, then running and then shooting, I killed both land raiders. My spiritseer moved into the guardian squad, out of the flamer guards. The rightmost wave serpent did bump into the fuel tank there and immobilized itself. Guardian and wave serpent fire thinned out the disembarked squad in the middle, leaving only two terminators alive. While I tried the same on the rightmost squad, my fire was less effective, but I still killed two. My wraithlord knocked off an assault cannon from a venerable dread, while my wraithknight did the same with the other venerable dreadnought.
I scored 2 maelstorm points for holding objectives
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Reeling from the heavy blow, she rallied and tried to muster as much as she could. Scoring another 2 victory points from maelstorm objectives, she also managed to shoot down my flaming wraithguards with a combination of her bikes and tactical squad. In assault she took out my other wraithguard unit too, losing a terminator in the process. The last two terminators in the middle charged the guardian squad, losing one in overwatch. And while I used psychic powers to give my guardians, warlock and spiritseer extra strength, that last terminator would last forever and slowly hack its way through my squad over the next turns.
She scored another 2 maelstorm points for holding objectives.
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in my turn I moved up a bit more - a combination of guardian, wraithlord, and wave serpent fire finished off the last terminators on my right flank, leaving the captain alone and wounded. I planned to assault him with my wraithlord and finish him off in combat, trying to get the maelstorm objective to get 3 unit kills in the assault phase. In order to get that, my wraithlord shot at both dreadnoughts and the tactical squad in the distance (which later turned out to be a mistake, should've shot the captain). This killed off both dreadnoughts. My wraithblades charged the bikes, after my 2nd wraithlord and the wave serpent had already shot them up a bit.
My wraithlord however failed to roll enough charge distance, I failed to kill the last terminator with my guardians, and my wraithblades failed to kill the bikers (though funnily enough, the firesabre managed to kill one tactical marine in the back, from a unit not even involved in the combat). My 2nd wraithlord got 1 maelstorm objective point for holding the 1 objective (to the far left, objective just out of sight).
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From here on out, it went quite fast. While I failed to kill the last terminator and it continued to carve up my poor civilians, and her captain (unengaged) charged the other guardian group and hacked them to pieces, neither group lost their nerve, and in my turn I counter charged the captain and killed him in a duel with my wraithlord (though not before she did 2 wounds to the wraithlord). My wraithknight got 2 more wounds (one from a missile, one from a meltabomb after I charged and failed to rout the tactical squad), and my wraithblades slowly managed to mop up the bikers by the end of my turn (my autarch did wonders in that combat) One game turn later, this was the situation:
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By now, my opponent realised all she could do was delay the inevitable, and had no punch left to keep me off objectives. We called it there.
I was a bit more careless with my wraithknight and its target priority this game, and it showed. 4 wounds and allowing the captain to 'escape' would've punished me if I had not been that far ahead already. Switching the spiritseer to another unit saved his life, and saved me a point of slay the warlord.
Other than that, everything worked admirably. I quickly had the most dangerous units in my gunsights and took them out, allowing me to mop up the rest with increasing battlefield control.
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Excellent stuff Vonny. And again playing 40k with your girlfriend... living the dream! Also look at you with the Realm of Battleboard.... thats very cool! Full credit to your girlfriend, dealing with a Wraithost is no easy task, yet she did well especially with a small elite force like she had. Yet both armies sounded like a lot of fun to play.
Looks like there was some nice glorious combats on both sides with damage being racked up all round. Termies ripping up Guardians, Wraithblades battling Space Marine bikes thats some classic stuff. Also the terrain and armies look very nice... jealous about all those fortifications! I'm dying to add some to the terrain collection.
Anyway so glad to see bat-rep from you Vonny. So awesome to see the Wraithost is action! Great stuff all round. Thanks!
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That game looks as though it was a lot of fun. It just goes to show how dangerous Space Marine characters and Terminators are to Eldar units in an assault, even when they are operating alone. A similar thing happened to me a couple of editions or so back when a Space Marine Terminator survived my shooting and proceeded to wipe out an entire Guardian squad, while keeping them locked in combat.
Despite letting the captain escape, I think that you played well and your Wraith units did so much damage to the main attack force of the Marines that there was little they could do to come back from that, so congratulations on the result :).
Also, the table looks good, and I wish I had such comfortable seating around where I set my table up. It's old rickety swivel chairs here. However, the table is rather large, so there's no room for anything else. Excellent placement of scenery on your board too. More terrain towards the middle of the table always makes for a more closely or intensely fought battle.
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Thanks both.
It does look like my army is primed to set up against hers, so... I feel a bit bad sometimes.
However, I played the tournament yesterday and... I do have some pictures somewhere, but all in all, it's nothing to write home about.
A few tactical mistakes throughout the day, but not too many... but fighting against a battle company (with over 500 pts of free transport, and a free upgraded normal marine bolter to S5 ap2 instant death) in my first game I didn't seem to have any luck. I downgraded 1 out of 5 penetrating hits on my wave serpents to glancing hits (on a 2+), the enemy dreadnought survived 12 D-scythe hits with only one hullpoint and a stun to show for it, failing 5" charges more than once throughout the day (I managed to pull off about 50% of my 5" charges), I didn't manage to get a win until the very last game of the day against necrons.
Scouring missions with all the high scoring objectives on the other side of the field, killpoints games where 4 seperate units survived with 1 model, my luck was down and out. Nevertheless, I had fun, and met some nice people, but I don't think the battle reports would be worth the writeup.
so, up next: soon to arrive photos of the banshee, that's now finished, and figuring out what house my last guardian squad, my warlock and my spiritseer belong to, so I can paint on some freehands on them to.
Everything was done, technically, for this weekend, but I would like to add a few more details to the models :)
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Sounds like fun, wish my wife liked the games. She likes to see my models painted, but that's all. Your game looks like much fun was had as well as comfy. The main table I play on is too tall and I'm short.
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oh yes... the table. Much comments about that and I failed to reply.
It's a second hand set I bought from someone, so I really do want to paint it still. Some are black with a little bit of dark brown, some are still completely black... and I have a set of mountains that don't quite match up, so I'll invent something for that too. (I have 3 hills that have 2 sides that cover 2/3rds of the board, and one hill with one side that covers 2/3rds and one side covers 1/3rd)
So, yes, looks neat, but will hopefully turn out better.
All the terrain... yes, that's by my hand. I liked building it, and learned a lot while doing it (especially the two-building with walkway piece), but it's tons of fun and it looks good.
As for the comfy seating... right now my girlfriend is recovering from a rather bad illness and has trouble sitting or standing a lot, so the couch on which she can lounge a bit is the most ideal place to sit. Which is why we figured out the solution of playing there.
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ah, small update.
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so... the hair looks a bit weird at the edge with the sword, but that's because the paint's still a bit wet, I think. And, of course, crappy phone camera.
I think I'll make the shoulder guard yellow too, but otherwise I think she's done. What do you think?
As I expected Vonny now that you have added a bit of contrast to the model with the darker colours I love it. Painting the shoulder guard yellow will make it look even better in my opinion.
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I need some venting, I think. If this is not the right place for this, please remove the post, Irisado
I've noticed I've had very little motivation to paint the past two weeks, and I think it's got to do with the tournament. As many tournaments have, this one had a prize for best painted. What they did here was that not the TO (because he knew a number of the players personally), but the owner of the store picked 3 to 4 armies which could then be voted on by the rest of the players for best painted. Now this store is a hobby store with lots of RPG's and CCG's as well, and I think that especially the card games are the main focus of the store, and I don't think the store owner has much of a look on painting. Neither did he talk with any of the participants of the tournament, and didn't ask about any of the painting or conversions done.
My army wasn't elected as one of the four to be eligable for best painted, and while I must admit there was some heavy competition in that area, I felt that this kind of voting leaves something to be desired.
There was a heavily converted tau army (I can't imagine the amount of money that went into this, because riptides had pieces from dreadknights and those small marine flyers all over them), which looked really cool from afar. However, when looking up close, I noticed all the highlighted linework was rather broad and sloppy, without much care to layer the colors smoothly. Another contestant was a black dark eldar army with airbrushed purples and greens, and then free-handed white symbols. Again, this looked pretty awesome from up close, and while the shape of the freehands was good, from even somewhat up close it was clear to see the white didn't cover very well, and far from evenly. One army was actually well painted, and I forgot about the fourth...
I feel as though people who actually know a thing about painting would've picked these things out with ease.
Is this a thing with best painted armies? As long as it looks cool from afar, you're done? No use doing subtle little things? What's your experience with this?
Silly though it might be, the fact I didn't get recognized by the official tally really smashed my motivation to paint further, even though I got a few compliments from other players at the tournament. I'm almost feeling as if I could just as well spend half the time on it and get the same results (read: nothing). Which is frustrating because I should be painting for me, and not for some store owner who's too scared to say a word to me because 'oh boy there's a girl in the store' and is likely to not have painted a model in his life.
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Here's as good a place as any to make these comments, after all it is about your ongoing project work :).
I've seen the 'oh my goodness there's a girl in the store what do I do?' happen in this country. Not at Warhammer World, where I played some games with a number of fellow members of this forum, but at some of the smaller stores I've been to. That happened, in part, because a lot the people in the store painting or modelling were quite young, many in their late teens, and they were clearly so unused to it that they didn't know how to behave. The reaction of one staff member who ought to have known better was, however, cringe worthy, and he couldn't use age as an excuse.
On the topic of tournaments, I've never really liked them. I understand why people want to play in them, or indeed have to, in order to game on even a semi-regular basis, but it was never for me, as I dislike the overly competitive nature of them in all respects, be it in terms of winning, army list composition, or indeed the painting.
Here's the thing though, ask yourself who you are painting for. Are you really painting figures to please a few guys at a tournament? I have never had the impression that you are. I have always felt that you are painting for you, because of your love of doing it, and your desire to get the models looking how you want them to for you. That's a beautifully personal thing to have :). It would be a shame to lose your passion for what you do just because some random blokes at a tournament didn't notice all the work you had put in.
You only have to read back through this thread to realise how much the members of this forum appreciate what you've done with your painting too :).
My advice, therefore, is to let the tournament organisers think what they like, have confidence in your painting, and carry on with something which you clearly love doing. Your work will always be valued here :).
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Yeah that sucks Vonny. I've been there trust me. I've only ever gotten a handful of compliments from my opponents on my army over the years. Its usually people who don't play at all and are just wandering through the store who ever say anything nice.
I'm not really sure why that happens. My stuff is super popular online but no one says a word to me outside of about 3 or 4 of my regular opponents. I just chalk it up the prevailing rudeness of people today and I honestly don't really care. I paint for personal pride. The best thing for me is when I look at my army and I know I've satisfied all my criteria for a good looking army.
However I've never been at a tournament where painting was being evaluated, and if I was completely left out of consideration I'd be really pissed. So by all means be upset, but don't let it stop you from painting! Next time you go to the tournament get geared to smash your opponents into the ground. That'll get them to notice!
Anyway sorry that happened Vonny. Your army is one of the best looking and most unique Iyanden armies I've ever seen. Everyone I've showed it too has absolutely loved it. Just remember the crowd you are running with, gamers can be extremely petty, underhanded and insensitive in an already petty, underhanded and insensitive world. People are easily intimidated by excellence and will try to take people exhibiting such excellence down a notch anytime they can. But like I said, vent your fury on them on the tabletop and make them pay! I'll be rooting for you!
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Ditto with the guys. I've been doing this hobby for almost 23 years but been painting minis for even longer. I remember when painting was an actual part of the points in tourny's which could help win or place higher. I've heard everything from wow that's cool to I could a done better job then you too your technique is old school too teach me how to do that. But, I'm the only one who cares about my painting and if I'm happy then all is good. As has been stated, I get to see more here and respond then at either of my gaming stores, which are more card gaming stores then minis anymore. Having fun and contentment while enjoying what you're doing is what matters the most.
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hey guys, thanks for the support
@Cavalier
Actually, some of the other players did give some compliments, when they saw my army. Of course, they saw it (and me) for the first time. I know the old gaming group hardly ever said anything about my painting, and when I once asked why, one answered: "because it's awesome like we're used to you deliviring. There's only so many times I can be amazed about what you paint".
And the judge was apparently unimpressed.
Going back and smashing them in the next tournament is also not really my thing. I paint my armies by what I think is awesome in theme and look, not by what is the most killy in the tournament scene. I did get to hear multiple times I have kind of a soft list, and I know, there's a number of ways I could easily make it nastier. I just don't like to do that.
I'm glad to hear people you've shown it to are excited about my army as well. That's very comforting.
@Dread
Well, there were painting points to be earned for this tournament as well, but while you could technically earn like 50 points, at max 20 would contribute to the overall score. So if you paint it tabletop quality, it's fine. There was a seperate prize for best painted, and this is where my whole episode started.
And yes, I know the story: I paint for my own pleasure and to my own standards, but it's... I don't know. I put my heart and soul into these models and I feel like it's a devaluation of me when people don't value my work (I have a fragile artist's feelings, apparently, because the same can happen with my drawings - which is why I never put them in a contest).
All in all, I think the tournament came at a wrong time too, where I was emotionally slightly off balance already, and this just gave the last kick. Your heartfelt words help, though, even if just a little bit.
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I had similar feelings to you when I received feedback on various pieces of work I wrote. Some people like to be highly critical or unappreciative, and they're not often very good at providing constructive feedback. The thing to remember is that they are like that with most people, not just you, so they're not singling you out. Also, their approach says a lot more about them as individuals than it does about you. Avoid letting them get to you :).
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Hey Vonny. Sorry to hear you are still bummed out about that tourney debacle. Like I said previously people just tend to be very rude these days and chafe around any sort of excellence and I'm completely convinced thats whats at work.
As for smashing them next time you play, I know how you value your theme, and I wouldn't suggest deviating from it, but going in all practiced up and on top of your game and showing them Iyanden's martial pride could be great fun. But hey its stuff like that gets me fired up... so if it just doesn't do it for you I understand. But still I'd like to see you go in there and give them a good thrashing.
As for people devaluing you, these people obviously don't have very good values, if they can't see the amazing quality of your minis. I say to hell with them!
Anyway Vonny thats my 2 cents, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I just wanted to reinforce how worthless I think their opinions are. I know it doesn't change the crappiness of that situation but your old battle bro Cavalier has your back 100%! 8) 8) 8)
EDIT: If you want a confidence booster, go see that even nasty comments find hobby legends like Scorpion82's, Winters SEO videos. It just goes to show there is no accounting for taste nowadays!
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So, to try and get me out of my bummer mood, I went back to the local store and played another game. With my Eldar.
Funny event was someone saying that my knight looked a little feminine posed like that. So I said "thank you, that was kinda the idea. I also did a lot of minor conversions to make her look a bit more sleek and feminine in body shape, so I'm quite happy the vibe translated :)
But other than that...
Battle report time!
So, 1500 pts armies meant I was bringing:
Waithhost:
1 Spiritseer
5 Wraithblades (axe + shield)
5 Wraithguard (wraithcannon), in Wave Serpent (t-l shuriken catapult and scatter lasers)
5 Wraithguard (D-scythe), in Wave Serpent (t-l shuriken catapult and scatter lasers)
Wraithlord (2x flamer, 2x bright lance, wraithglaive)
Wraithknight (2x heavy wraithcannon, scatter laser)
Avenger Shrine Host
5 Dire Avengers
5 Dire Avengers
5 Dire Avengers, of which 1 Exarch
He brought:
Hq:
Company Command Squad (chimera (hunter killer missile), volkovs cane)
Troops
2× Veterans (forward sentries, 3x melta, chimera (hk missile))
Infantry Platoon:
Platoon command squad (4x melta)
3× infantry squad (flakk missile launcher.
30 conscripts
Heavy Support
Basilisk
Manticore
2x Leman Russ Battle Tank
Ministorum Battle Priest
So... we rolled on the maelstrom missions and got the mission where you start with 1 card and get more cards every turn based on how many objectives you controlled.
I haven't played against guard in ages, so I was kinda happy seeing them. I expected this could make for a fun battle.
He deployed most of his force pretty far back, and with both his artillery pieces well out of sight behind a building. It was all bunched up pretty well, which I didn't mind that much. I did worry that his conscript squad with the priest might tarpit me a bit too good. Especially since I had my knight run 3 turns in a row with 2, 3 and 3 stomp attacks, and rolling 1 on each and every one of them.
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I deployed with two avenger squads ready to move up on the left flank upon his one infantry platoon, to claim both objectives on that side of the map. I hid the 3rd one in the building in the back there, which also had an objective. They did nothing but generate cards all game, but I didn't mind. I tried to hide the knight, the serpents and the lord behind respectively buildings and the wraithblades, but didn't quite succeed as you'll see when we start at turn 1.
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He basically moved up tentatively, but getting in reach of both objectives right outside of his deployment zone. The right flank also slowly moved up.
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His Manticore unloaded, eventually dealing one hullpoint of damage on the middle wave serpent. The basilisk overshot completely, which left me feeling quite confident. The leman russes fired, and between them and a slight scatter, they managed to get a wound on the knight, and 2 more hullpoints on the middle wave serpent stranding my d-scythes and spiritseer out in the open. Combined fire from the three chimeras and an infantry platoon also managed to take out 2 of my wraithblades. He got first blood and the first objective (completely kill an enemy unit).
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I responded by moving my knight in sight and range of the leman russes, slowly moving up my blades and lord, and flanking the wave serpent and the d-scythes behind the building, on my way to get an objective there. It was also on one of my objective cards, so that doubled up on the importance of it. The avengers on my left flank slowly moved up, with some rather poor move through cover rolls.
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In the shooting phase, the remaining wave serpent managed to kill a single guardsman. The wraithknight missed all of it's scatter laser shots, one wraithcannon shot, and the other rolled a 1 on the D table. My wraithlord managed to knock a single hullpoint off of one of the russes with a glancing hit. After this rather lopsided start (with no opportunity to get my objective either), I felt put on the back foot and needed my units to start performing to get back in the drivers seat.
Turn 2 saw him once again edging in slightly on the right flank, trying to keep me off of the objective there, and with his conscripts in the middle, while holding the rest quite steady. A shot from the basilisk made me decide to go to ground with my leftmost avenger squad - and it barely survived. I even had to use the formation's reroll on the morale test!
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Combined fire from chimeras and the leman russes knocked out another wraithblade and took a wound from my wraithlord, while I lost my first d-scythe to the Manticore.
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When my turn came round, I finally got the stuff going. My middle avenger squad moved up and claimed an objective, took some shots at the opposing infantry platoon and managed to kill 3 of them. They proceeded to fail their leadership test, and what's more, ran 11 inches back, and straight off the table! I couldn't believe my luck, and I suppose neither can those guardsmen. We joked that at least they gained some valuable experience, and that next time they get in a battle against Eldar they'll be saying "we have some experience in how to survive this.... Leg it!", only to meet a commissar.
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In the middle, my wraithknight moved up, shot at the conscripts with the scatter laser (killing one) and missing and hitting one shot against the leman russ squadron with his wraithcannons. This resulted in an exploding Russ, which did no further damage. The knight then went on to safely lock itself in combat, and because of the wonderful world of piling in, stomping actually removed 5 of the happless mon-keigh.
The Wraithlord knocked another hullpoint off the leman russ, and destroyed its Heavy Bolter.
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On the right flank, the wraithguard with the d-scythes moved up, ran and fired their horrific weapons. The lone guardsman heavy weapon team that was left standing after the onslaught failed their leadership test as well, and ran slightly back to hide between the armoured skirts of the accompanying chimeras. The wave serpent shot ineffectually against the rightmost chimera, doing no damage.
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Turn 3: This is where I forgot to make pictures for half a turn... So I'm glad I'm writing this now.
The veterans on the right flank disembarked and readied their meltas, but couldn't get into melta range for maximum damage. They still tried to down the wave serpent, but as it quickly decided on evasive jinking, none of the fire from the squad or the three chimeras could do any damage to it. The ministorum priest tried to Smash attack the wraithknight, but failed, and the basilisk moved around to get a better shot on the proceedings, having trouble keeping firing with its minimum range if it had to keep firing indirectly. This resulted in me losing my wraithlord, and reduced the wraithblade unit to a lone figure.
In my turn, I moved up the wraithblade, trying to get in range to aid my knight. In hindsight, I should've just moved him back to the objective, because he wasn't going to do much more in a fight anyway, and there wasn't a lot I needed to tarpit (which is one of their main uses). He'd done his job catching fire. As it turned out, the knight managed to stomp his way through the remaining conscripts with room to spare, much to my dismay - this left it open to return fire.
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The wave serpent shot everything (including the serpent shield) onto the melta vets in front of it. However, due to it having jinked the turn before, it only killed one of the brave imperial guardsmen, and I had to think of another option to keep my serpent safe.
So I moved and ran the d-scythes up before unloading upon the chimera - which they happened to stand behind. I ended up completely annihilating both targets with the 4 D-scythes I had left. The other wraithguard shot the other melta vet squad's chimera to bits, and managed to get it to explode, killing a number of the occupants, but not much else. Even the missile launcher heavy weapon team still stood their ground (after having rallied). I had hoped to finish off the now disembarked squad with my d-scythes, but I had needed them before. Nevertheless, I dealt a decisive blow on the right flank.
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On the opponent's turn 4, he moved up his platoon command squad, and shot with their 4 meltas, the leman russ, and the basilisk upon the knight that was standing right in front. However, completely shaken by such a graceful construct, they failed to inflict much damage (just 1 wound).
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Fire from Manticore took out the first wraithcannon wraithguard, while combined fire from the second veteran squad, the remaining heavy weapon team,and the company command squad and their chimera (who had repositioned further back for safety reasons) took out two more d-Scythe wielding guard.
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In response, the wraithknight shot a wraithcannon in both opposing vehicles, completely blowing up the leman russ (the explosion of which also took out several platoon command guardsmen), and shot up another guardsman with the scatter laser. Only two remained, who were taken out in the ensuing melee.
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I repositioned the wave serpent to get some shots on the manticore, but it failed to do any damage. The scytheguard took out the heavy weapon team and 2 veterans, while the cannonguard completely whiffed their assault on the remaining chimera.
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At the end of turn 4 the Imperium had gotten 2 objectives and first blood, and was no longer holding any objective markers with very little hope of reclaiming any. tallying up the eldar score, by then, brought the score up to 7 objectives. Considering the time and his chances, my opponent conceded the game.
Looking back on things, I think there was a bit of a mismatch in power level between the two armies. Despite that, I think the imperial guard gave me a good thrashing at the start of the game, and if the melta squads had worked a bit more cohesively, they might have turned the game around a bit more. The opponent agreed, but confessed he'd gotten distracted and bogged down in the fighting on my right flank, where the elusive eldar refused to give him a very clear target and he had to keep going for targets of not-so-great-opportunity.
The assault over the left flank went well, especially when his unit fled off the board, but it took longer than expected to reach the last objective on his side there due to some bad run rolls and the turn I stood still after having gone to ground. Still, I'm very happy with the dire avengers, and think they perform better than the guardians that I field for the 1850 pts games. Maybe it's because the objectives didn't get really pressured and I didn't need the objective secured from the guardians in the Combined Arms Detachment. But I really like the 18", BS 5, optional 3-shots-once-per-game (that I didn't even use) multiple small units that can adept to necessity on the fly.
I once again made an error, leaving my wave serpents too exposed early game. If I hadn't rolled the warlord trait adding 3" to my run moves, I fear the scythe guard would've done very little this game. It seems I really did have some luck at some key points... maybe the power difference wasn't so great?
Anyway, hope you enjoyed the report!
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Hey Vonny, loved that bat-rep. I really felt the momentum building as the Ghost units made their implacable advance up the battlefield. Super fluffy! The pics were great as well... really nice terrain and your opponents army looked very classic as well. Man I forgot how awesome your Wraithknight was. What a sight!
As for the battle itself, I think you played very well. I liked how you used as much as cover as you did, especially on the Wraithknight. My Wraithknight usually doesn't survive the entire game and I really have to be cautious with him in the early phases of the game. Man despite being stranded your Scytheguard sure did work! They really high-tailed it across the board, congrats on getting them in there. Such a pain stranding those units in the middle of the field.
Also glad to see you got a positive return on your Avengers. I am a huge advocate of them... they are actually my favorite unit in the game. Everytime I field them they reward me. Their leadership and range are superb... and with Battle Focus I've found they don't even need transports especially when taken in a Battlehost.
Anyway great bat-rep Vonny I really enjoyed it. Especially seeing that Wraithknight rampaging across your opponents deployment zone! I think you've got a very good list and it was just fun seeing that implacable advance like I said before. Anyway thanks for the bat-rep Vonny I'm looking forward to the next one!
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Thanks Cav. Yes, I'm usually rather careful with my wraithknight and the wave serpents, because the knight and the contents of the serpents are the only hard hitters in my list, so I NEED them to survive :).
It's a bit of a pity that the opponent talked himself into a corner about the armies being a missmatch, because I think it made him scared to do any proactive moves, which ultimately made him lose the game much harder than it had to be. I tried to compliment him on the moves he'd made turn 1 vs my moves, and how he was in the lead for victory points for the first 2 complete turns, but it seems to little avail.
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Yeah it is a pity when an opponent psyches himself out. It happens all the time... I see opening for my opponent to do major damage but since he feels like he's losing he just sort of freezes.
It was a bit of a mismatch but not hopeless by any stretch. If he had focused the 2x Leman Russ and Basilisk on the Wraithknight he could have done major damage. My brother just beats the tar out of my Wraithknight with his basilisks and its really painful. He's just such a big model the scatters hardly affect him.
I think the big mistake was targeting your Serpents. I would have ignored them completley and just focused on the Wraithknight until the last possible second.
With the tanks focusing on the Knight, he could put some bait units out to attract the Wraithguard, then position the Conscripts to assault and tarpitting them afterwords.
Certainly a difficult task but it could be done. Live and learn though, and going up against a Ghost army certainly can be intimidating when they are just shrugging off fire. 40k is such a mental game though and toughing it out in a mismatch is a big part of it. Easier said than done though! lol 8)
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It's great to see your army in action once again. It looks as excellent as ever :). In fact, the opposing army and the whole table were very impressive as well. It looked like a very enjoyable game all round.
I think that it was actually a pretty close game for quite a while, until your Wraithknight went on the rampage. I am surprised at how little your opponent targeted it. By the time it was into his half of the board it was still late. Up until that period of the game, it was nip and tuck.
Very well played by you to get the Wraithknight into a prime position to do so much damage. Congratulations on your victory :).
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I think one of the major contributing factors of it surviving that long was that he didn't target it much, believing he couldn't damage it anyway. Your tactic of coping with the army would've been a real viable one too. Even just rushing the knight with 3 melta squads should've put some serious hurt on it.
If you say it was a mismatch though (and you have way more experience in games than me, cav), then I'll try and see if I can tone it down a bit for the next game.
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Hey Vonny. I mean your list while strong, does not need to be toned down IMO. I think the Guard list could have been strengthened for a better take all comers approarch. Just some simple additions like a Vendetta, Pask in a Punisher, some Veterans with triple special weapons etc.
I find it best to just let people adapt to what you typically bring. I bring basically the same army all the time and lets people learn and adjust, while also increasing the challenge for you as your opponents better learn to deal with your army.
The presence of the Wraithlord, Wraithblades, and Avenger units places you firmly in the fun casual list department. I'm bringing something not too different to my upcoming campaign, so I wouldn't change a thing :)
Anyway Vonny great stuff. Its fun getting a chance to talk tactics on your awesome project log. Can't wait for the next bat-rep!
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The Wraithhost is great fun to play and although is very resilient I wouldn't say that it is overpowered. You mention early on that you were worried about being tarpitted by the Conscripts and to be honest that's one of the best tactics for dealing with them. Astra Militarum aren't particularly great in the current game but they can certainly put out some hurt when they want to and as Cav has said there is quite a lot that your opponent could have taken which would have improved the odds for him. Hopefully your opponent can see the positives from the game even if he was negative during/ immediately after. Sometimes you need those sorts of games to realise what you are doing wrong and what you could be doing better.
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so, thanks to the kindness of some lovely guy I was able to purchase some new models... well, old, new models.
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Yay for striking scorpions! I must say, on the unstripped models, the painting quality is quite good too, so if you ever want to commission an army, I would recommend Cavalier over me as I think he paints a lot faster :P
Anyway, as you can see from the picture, there's 11 scorpions and one exarch. I have two options for the exarch, one biting blade and one scorpion's claw. Which would you recommend?
Then, the next question, and here's where my mind really is: I'm really considering vandalizing one of the normal scorpions and cut off his pistol arm, and replace it with a scorpion's claw. That was I can have 2 different exarchs.
I have no idea if 2 6-man scorpion squads are viable at all, or if this just means I have 2 different options for the exarch while keeping the rest of the unit the same, but... both the claw and the biting blade look so awesome I think it'd be a shame not to use them both.
Cav, I'm looking at you especially here as you've been using your scorpions a while now, would 2 6-man squads be viable?
also, should I make a scorp into an exarch, do you guys think I need to fancy up his armour a bit more?
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Super jealous. Scorpions are one of my all-time favourite units. 2x6 units are viable if you're going to take claw wielding exarchs in both. Without the claw, small units wouldn't have enough punch to win combats. MSUs work, if you normally play on tables with significant terrain. Their cover bonus and ability to move easily through terrain give them survivability and board control. Small units would also work well in outflanking serpents. Can't wait to see them completed.
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It always used to be the case that larger assault squads were better than smaller ones, but that was some time ago. If you could get away with fielding two smaller squads, that would be ideal if you want to give each an Exarch and make use of the Claw and the Biting Blade. Even if you don't, having both options would be wise in my view, since GW's rule changes tend to give one or the other the edge from one edition to the next, thus having options never hurts :).
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Whoever hooked you up must be pretty awesome Lol Hey Vonny like I said earlier glad you got them. Can't wait to see how you paint them. I know they are gonna look great.
I think 2 squads of 6 could certainly hold up, especially when trying to maximize on the impact of the Exarch. I like to have a big unit of 10, just to weather some casualties and try to keep the points down, but I don't think thats the only way to play them. Splitting your opponents attention and firepower really tends to work. Also with your army in particular, so much attention is going to be paid to the Ghost units that 2 units of 6 Scorpions goes way down on the target priority list.
Also definitely go for claws on both Exarchs everytime. I personally think the Scorpion Exarch with claw is the best valued combat option in the whole book. I'd definitely convert it up if you can. If you wanted you could fancy up his armor, but you could also just add a bit to his crazy topknot of hair, while the claw itself will add a lot of distinction. Either way you've got the green stuff skills as we all know so I'd definitely go for it.
Anyway all great ideas Vonny. I know these guys will look great with your Ghost warriors. Make sure you keep us posted on your thoughts and progress with them. Also thanks for the commission recommendation Vonny I do appreciate it
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ok, I'll convert one up to have a claw, and give the other one the awesome looking biting blade. I plan to use them both in close support of eachother, or just one squad with a claw if I'm low on points.
I'm not sure when I'll be using them anyway... I just thought the models looked too pretty to pass up on :)
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I can't make out the writing on the labels that well, although the one on the left must surely say Craftworld Iyanden. Either way, that's a highly impressive collection of very well painted armies on show there. I take it this was for an event?
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Wow that is legendary Vonny. Alonside your Iyanden, those are your Tyranids and Lamenters? I'd love to see some closeups, especially on the Drop Pods. What a monstrous collection. Dang am I jealous!
Gotta say your Iyanden looks so pure with their white-bases, really standing out amongst them all. Legendary stuff Vonny! If its for Armies on Parade I hope you win!
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wow nice work.
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yes, it was for armies on parade, and I actually did win. Those are indeed also my tyranids and lamenters, and once the more detailed pictures are posted on the website I'll repost some here.
I knew people had long wanted to see my Iyanden pitted against my nids, so... here they were :)
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Thats fantastic Vonny! Wow winning Armies on Parade is a huge accomplishment. Congratulations on some well deserved recognition of skills and artistic vision! Your Iyanden army is so unique and your Tyranids and Lamenters are equally as well executed. Congrats Vonny thats awesome news.
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yes, it was for armies on parade, and I actually did win.
Is this the moment where I can remind you that there would be plenty of people who would appreciate your work ;)?
Congratulations :). It's a great achievement and I'm very pleased for you. You deserve it.
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Just finished going through your blog, Vonny
To be perfectly honest, I've never been a fan of friendly yellow on the battle field. SS82 did up his Imperial Fists and he got away with it because of the black, giving them that dangerous feel. Then I saw your Iyandens. You've pulled it off, mate. You make the colours so vibrant, and the character just drips from their positioning. Am a little jealous of the other members who got to go through this journey with you. Superb!
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aww thank you Saim-dann. It always warms my heart when people say their preconceptions were challenged by something I did - it makes me feel like a true artist. And as such, I don't think I can receive a greater compliment. Thank you.
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Your welcome, Vonny! Well deserved.
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I've just had a look through your whole blog, definitely going to pinch some of your ideas!
I wasn't convinced about Guardians in Iyanden scheme, but the ones you've got early in the blog look great. And I love the assymetrical patterns on some of the models. And giving just one wraithguard house patterns is a very cool idea.
Really nice work.