Topic: Wishlisting/Rumormill for New Marine Codex

[Wyddr]

Hello, friends!

So, what do you hope to see in the new Marine 'Dex? What have you heard is going to be in there? And what about these supplemental codexes?

Personally, since I'm a big fan of the Imperial Fists, I hope my favorite chapter gets some slightly better Chapter Tactics, since their current ones are easily the least useful in the book.

I'd like to see Terminators get a little better (maybe an extra attack, maybe an extra wound) and I'd like to see Centurions boosted to 4-5 wounds apiece, to better represent their size and bulk. Thunderfire Cannons could use a little love, too. 

All the Primaris stuff they've revealed looks fine and all, but I'd like some of the classics to get revisited and revamped.

Oh, and they can *totally* cut out the Hunter or the Stalker, for all I care.

[faitherun (Fay-ith-er-run)]

First, I have to state, I never have nor probably ever will play Imperium in any fashion.

That being said, the state of pure SM has been sad of late.

• Chapter tactics should apply to all units, like almost every other dex out there
• More Chapter specific strats
• Termies definitely need some love
• As do tac squads
• Gilliman needs a slight nerf
• Dreads to be able and go back into drop pods

[Wyddr]

Yeah, Tac Squads need a *lot* of love, but I somehow doubt they're going to get it.

Also, it is very true about dreads! There is no earthly reason they should have been kicked out of drop pods in the first place.

[Myen'Tal]

Chapter Tactics 2.0 just landed on the Warhammer Community site. Much improved over the 1.0 versions, IMHO.

Space Marines Preview: Enhanced Chapter Tactics - Warhammer Community

I'm really tempted by this new codex... I'm already downsizing one of my AoS armies, and will be springing into 40k soon. I'll be doing either Sisters of Battle or White Scars chapter... the other I'll likely start sometime next year.

I'm really surprised by the Crimson Fist and Black Templar ones, since they still seem better than the Imperial Fists , but it looks like even the Fist have improved.

[Wyddr]

Yeah, the Fists got better, but still come up short. Hopefully some better chapter specific stratagems or relics will make up for it.

[magenb]

Yeah, the Fists got better, but still come up short. Hopefully some better chapter specific stratagems or relics will make up for it.

I tend not to see too many things out in the open, so ignore cover is really useful, especally considering how many cloaks are floating around these days.


Could be worse, you could be blood ravens


I would say we should start calling 8th ed 40k early access, but even EA doesn't make you pay for updates.

[Wyddr]

I tend to play against horde armies or lightly armored troops, so ignore cover hardly ever works. *Everyone* has to be in cover these days, so big hordes of orks never get anything.

Anyway, I overlooked Shock Assault, which looks quite good!

I would say we should start calling 8th ed 40k early access, but even EA doesn't make you pay for updates.

I mean, GW has been doing this since the early 1990s, so it's not like it's a surprise.

[Grand Master Lomandalis]

Yeah, the Fists got better, but still come up short. Hopefully some better chapter specific stratagems or relics will make up for it.

Ignoring cover army wide is nothing to sneeze at.  Granted, if you are playing strictly against hoards then you don't get much use out of it.  However, against most armies it is immensely beneficial; especially with getting extra bolt hits.  Add in that, from the sounds of it, the chapter tactics also apply to vehicles now and... oooooh man!  When I run my Ravenwing and they're getting No Cover from the Talonmasters, it adds something to their impact.

I would say we should start calling 8th ed 40k early access, but even EA doesn't make you pay for updates.

I'm curious how many editions of 40k you have played lol.  As Wyddr said, this is nothing new.  In 3rd edition, GW released the mini-dexes for Space Marines, and then updated the mini-dexes because the rules were so out of whack.  Every new edition being released and every new codex is a rules update.  People have had no issue paying for that in the past, so why is this any different?

My view is that if they are doubling back now to update the codexes, then it shows that they are happy with the core rules for the game; which goes double for me.  I love the game as it is now, and believe it is just a balance issue with the codexes that needs to be addressed; which is exactly what GW is doing now.


As for what I want to see?

• Non-Primaris Marines getting a point drop
• Vehicles become more efficient
• Comparable Chapter Traits being applied to the Dark Angels (Ravenwing should be on par with White Scars at the very least, if not better)
• Terminator love
• Dreadnought love (including drop pods)

[magenb]

I tend to play against horde armies or lightly armored troops, so ignore cover hardly ever works. *Everyone* has to be in cover these days, so big hordes of orks never get anything.

Anyway, I overlooked Shock Assault, which looks quite good!

I would say we should start calling 8th ed 40k early access, but even EA doesn't make you pay for updates.

I mean, GW has been doing this since the early 1990s, so it's not like it's a surprise.

GW has not been releasing mutiple codexes for the same army inside the same game edition, you were very lucky to see all the dexes updated before the edition changed lol. They have done things like a single sub faction supplement eg Iyanden from 6th ed.

[Grand Master Lomandalis]

I tend to play against horde armies or lightly armored troops, so ignore cover hardly ever works. *Everyone* has to be in cover these days, so big hordes of orks never get anything.

Anyway, I overlooked Shock Assault, which looks quite good!

I would say we should start calling 8th ed 40k early access, but even EA doesn't make you pay for updates.

I mean, GW has been doing this since the early 1990s, so it's not like it's a surprise.

GW has not been releasing mutiple codexes for the same army inside the same game edition, you were very lucky to see all the dexes updated before the edition changed lol. They have done things like a single sub faction supplement eg Iyanden from 6th ed.

Codex: Dark Angels and Codex: Dark Eldar in 3rd edition would beg to differ

[Wyddr]

All of 7th edition was like this, too.

Anyway, I'm not complaining. The marines need the update and I don't want the edition to totally change.

[Wyddr]

So, I guess Intercessors are just nakedly better than Tacticals forever now?

Have we heard of Tacs getting *anything* to balance this out?

[Myen'Tal]

Tactical marines have dropped down to 12 points, but that's all that I've heard.

Cheaper than Chaos marines, whilst also having access to all of the rules from the new codex.

[Wyddr]

The economics aren't there, though. You can pay 9 points per wound for Intercessors (who also have those rules plus more) or 12ppw for tacs and the ability to take one (1) plasma gun.

Blech.

[magenb]

The economics aren't there, though. You can pay 9 points per wound for Intercessors (who also have those rules plus more) or 12ppw for tacs and the ability to take one (1) plasma gun.

Blech.

You get more wounds with Intercessors, but more shots with Tacs. You also take up more space with tacs which could be a pro or a con lol.

[Blazinghand]

I think that Tacs should really get some kind of tactical flexibility buff, or something. Right now my opponents tend to take Scouts over Tacs for the "tough and cheap troops" role, and intercessors over tacs for the traditional battleline role. I guess I won't know for sure until I get the codex in my hands but I feel like the main advantage of a tac squad is "a 5-man squad can take a combi-plasma on the sgt as well as a plasma gun trooper" which feels a lot less dangerous than an intercessor squad does these days. We'll have to see...

[Wyddr]

You get more wounds with Intercessors, but more shots with Tacs. You also take up more space with tacs which could be a pro or a con lol.

More shots? I don't know about that. Spend 120 for 10 tacs and 20 shots. Spend 120 to buy 6 Intercessors with Auto Bolt Rifles and you get 18. Plus 2 more wounds and 2 more attacks.

I guess Tacs get to ride in drop pods, but otherwise? They're just a fluff choice now. Or 5 guys and a heavy weapon. They just aren't the mainstay.

[Myen'Tal]

So, what are the opinions on the new Astartes so far? I glanced through the codex and there is some really cool stuff in there! My favorite rules are the ones for the Successor Chapters, which there are a lot of chapter tactics worth considering depending on your build. Played around and made a Primaris Vanguard list, but I'm still waiting for Sisters .

I think Incursors would be a good unit to place in Impulsors. Infiltrators already have some stealthy shenanigans that keep them protected on the field. 6 interccesors in an impulsor don't really seem worth it. Could be more useful for Helblasters though.

[Wyddr]

I haven't gotten my hands on the book yet, but Invictors look filthy. All those guns *and* they deploy like a scout? Yes please.

[Myen'Tal]

Yeah, the Invictors do look pretty good, but I really cannot stand the model lol. The scaled down Dreadnaught is alright to me, but the marine inside it looks a bit too silly for me. Granted, everything else about the suit is really cool. I love the heavy bolter on the hip / in the hand.

Just for fun!!!

**Chapter Selection**
Selections: Raven Guard Successor, Stalwart
Relics of the Chapter (1 Relic)

HQ

Captain in Phobos Armour
Selections: 2. Lord of Deceit, Camo cloak, Master-crafted instigator bolt carbine, The Vox Espiritum, Warlord

Librarian in Phobos Armour
Selections: 5) Tenebrous Curse, 6) Temporal Corridor, Camo cloak, Force sword, Reliquary of Gathalamor

Primaris Lieutenants

Primaris Lieutenant
Selections: Master-crafted stalker bolt rifle

Primaris Lieutenant
Selections: Master-crafted stalker bolt rifle

Primaris Lieutenant
Selections: Master-crafted stalker bolt rifle

Troops

Incursor Squad
Selections: Haywire Mine, 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad
Selections: Haywire Mine, 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad
Selections: Haywire Mine, 4x Incursor, Incursor Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad
Selections: 8x Infilltrator, Infiltrator Helix Adept, Infiltrator Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad
Selections: 8x Infilltrator, Infiltrator Helix Adept, Infiltrator Sergeant

Elites

Invictor Tactical Warsuit
Selections: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Twin ironhail autocannon

Invictor Tactical Warsuit
Selections: Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy bolter, 2x Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Twin ironhail autocannon

Heavy Support

Eliminator Squad
Eliminator Sergeant
Selections: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak
2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper
Selections: 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak

Eliminator Squad
Eliminator Sergeant
Selections: Camo cloak, Las Fusil
Eliminator with Las Fusil
Selections: Camo cloak
Eliminator with Las Fusil
Selections: Camo cloak

Eliminator Squad
Eliminator Sergeant
Selections: Camo cloak, Las Fusil
Eliminator with Las Fusil
Selections: Camo cloak
Eliminator with Las Fusil
Selections: Camo cloak

Dedicated Transport
Impulsor
Selections: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Shield Dome
Impulsor
Selections: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Shield Dome
Impulsor
Selections: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Shield Dome

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