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What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« on: January 23, 2007, 12:13:57 PM »
Hey everyone, I'm pretty new around here, but I'm loving the communitty :).

I just wanted to ask, who do you guys think is the most involved (such as unit choices, fluffyness, size of codex) Xeno type army.  I currently play Necrons and I'm really not getting the sense of costimization that I want in my army. I'd really appreciate any input, thanks guys!
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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 12:26:34 PM »
Welcome to 40konline man.

orks or eldar mate.
both have loads of unit choices.

for customising i would say orks.
for sheer coolness and slinky action, go with eldar.
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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 12:27:20 PM »
Eldar.

They let the Armageddon wars happen.
Orks. We were the Armageddon wars.

So how does 540+20D6 attacks grab you?

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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 12:29:37 PM »
it depends on the person entirely


my friend says tau are the best because of their fluff and units

i say dark eldar or eldar because they just rock my socks lol + their fluff and units are amazing
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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 12:31:17 PM »
ahh fantastic, thanks guys. I'm think the next army I'll go for it Eldar then. I played DE in the past and to be honest, I'm not in love with the models, although the amount of units was nice to have. Its decided then, once I reach 2000pts of Necron, I'll spring for Eldar, thanks again guys!
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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 12:34:43 PM »
lol  i agree with the fact of the dark eldar models need a redo and a half im really not fond of their models just their fluff
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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 02:02:28 PM »
Eldar give you a chance to play with many different paint schemes and offer a wide variey of tactical options for you to explore....a truly fun army to play.

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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2007, 02:12:46 PM »

my friend says tau are the best because of their fluff and units


Eldar ARE better than Tau:

Fluffwise:

They had an EMPIRE a while ago, while the Tau just evolved from four-legged beasts.

The Eldar have decades millenia of experience in war. the Tau...what...5000 years?

The Eldar fluff is also muuuuch cooler (Khaine, the War in heaven, Asuryan, The Old Ones, C'tan, Slaanesh, their Fall, Craftworlds, Spiritstones, Wraithbone, Architecture,.....)


Lookswise:

It is a draw. If you take a look at the Tau space ships in their Codex, the Eldar ones look weird (BFG) and sadly there is no artwork on Eldar ships in our Codex save the Craftworlds themselves...which are not really my taste lookswise.

Tau guns, battlesuits etc. hjave a plain, cool futuristic clean design, while at some parts the Eldar "exaggerate" things with too many curves and decortaions.


Gamewise:

Tau rock at shooting, suck at CC. Eldar rock at both shooting AND CC. And our units are not more fragile than Tau! Except the Guardians and Rangers' 5+ save, everyone else has a 4+ save or better. We don't have a single 6+ save unit, in comparison to the Kroot, being part of Tau.

The Eldar also have a vaast variety of choices, upgrades and options to make, thus being unpredictable. We can change tactics in the middle of battle and guided by our bloodthirsty Avatars and Farseers, who turn the tide of battle, we are much cooler.


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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2007, 11:16:37 AM »
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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2007, 12:58:33 PM »
That is sig worthy.

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Okay, bad example.



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Orks. We were the Armageddon wars.

So how does 540+20D6 attacks grab you?

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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2007, 01:03:58 PM »
Well, tyranids have literally thousands of possible choices for troops.  But beyond that, I would have to say orks or eldar.  Orks are harder to win with, but they are just so awesome, and then Eldar are all myserious and such.
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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2007, 01:07:46 PM »
Orks are harder to win with, but they are just so awesome.

Orks hard to win with?

1: Get close.
2: Chop.
3: Repeat until done.
Orks. We were the Armageddon wars.

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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 02:18:29 PM »
Yes, they are extremely hard to win with for a newbie.  Because they have to get close, and without fleet that is no small feat.  You don't simply put 200 models on the field, point them at the enemy, and expect to win many games.
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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 03:10:54 PM »
Also true, but I've not seen many Ork armies with 200 models...
Orks. We were the Armageddon wars.

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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2007, 04:23:46 PM »
Exactally.  You can't simply max out slugga boyz and run at the enemy and expect to win.  You have to be tricky, use special units perfectly, and get lucky.

They are sorta like DE.  Good if you really know what you are doing, and with some luck, but very unforgiving.  One big ordanence blast, and it changes a win to a loss.
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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2007, 03:55:13 AM »
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Orks hard to win with?

1: Get close.
2: Chop.
3: Repeat until done.

It's that point #1, in my experience, which is a real pain.....

Ork versus Tyranid is a very interesting game, and both sides do very well because both want to close......Ork versus, say, Mechanised Tau, tends to be "Pass the next pulse power pack - this one's almost empty....good thing we got these new long-life ones, isn't it?"* whilst a pile of green corpses keeps growing.


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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2007, 05:42:11 AM »
i have an orks/nids game next week.

I will post a force.

they are hard to work with, but when it works its a sight to behold.
Yes they struggle of certain armies but on others they rock.



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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2007, 06:13:50 AM »
Exactally.  You can't simply max out slugga boyz and run at the enemy and expect to win.  You have to be tricky, use special units perfectly, and get lucky.

Eh... we are talking about Orks here, not Eldar.
Orks. We were the Armageddon wars.

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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2007, 07:12:02 AM »
Yes. Eldar are insanely durable (sounds daft, but holofields/vectored engines/conceal/fortune etc means theres a hell of a lot more to it than statlines) and very manouvrable.

Orks are very fragile - trukks are opentopped AV10 - i.e. a vyper without even skimmers moving fast rule to help.

They get no armour save from any small arms fire except lasguns and even that's a joke.

They are an assault army where you need to bring in specialist units to storm cover as regualr boyz cant have grenades.

But, the small, 10-strong specialist mobz like kommandos, burna boyz and tankbustas are very good at particular jobs. There's a whole Mork* side to orks as well as the commonly known Gork** side.


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Re: What is the most 'involved' Xeno army?
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2007, 10:06:05 AM »
Ork versus Tyranid is a very interesting game, and both sides do very well because both want to close......Ork versus, say, Mechanised Tau, tends to be "Pass the next pulse power pack - this one's almost empty....good thing we got these new long-life ones, isn't it?"* whilst a pile of green corpses keeps growing.

I've had 2 games Orks vs. Nids recently, both against the same guy (who was just starting orks).  He had literally 80 slugga boyz in 1000 points, and first time I barely pulled out a draw.  Second time it was a massacre, cause I learned to let him move forwards towards me and take barbed strangler and deathspitter shots for 3 turns before I charge him.  By the time he got to me, there was about 20 boyz left, one squad got charged by hormagaunts and my Flyrant, they broke and ran down, and my genestealers charged the warboss+about 8 more, and killed the warboss easily, then got charged by the last 10ish boy sqaud and eventually killed.

Fun games, though, almost as much fun as Nids vs. IG.
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