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Modeling => Projects Blog => Topic started by: Calamity on February 5, 2015, 05:26:59 AM
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Hello! This thread will be chronicling the build up of my Militarum Tempestus army, the first real modeling project I've undertaken since returning to 40k after a long long (too long) hiatus. I was waiting until this site got up and running again to start it for real.
To get this army up and going I bought the big box set GW was doing over Christmas. That's the one that came with 25 Scions, 2 Tauroxes and a Valkyrie...that they don't do anymore. I'm bummed about that because it was literally half of what I needed to make my target force, an airborne/ground assault formation. Now, unless they bring it back in the future, I'll have to buy them separately and that's more expensive. :P
But no point in crying about that. Here's what I have so far:
The Command Squad (minus the special weapon user):
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Half of the first squad:
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Half of the second squad:
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and finally, the two Taurox Primes:
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(Those were taken on the living room floor as my room is currently being decorated...another big project I've currently got going). It's all boring unpainted plastic at the moment, but that's OK. I've not yet decided on how I'm going to paint them and it's always better to plan ahead rather than rush into it and then regret your choices later. And for once I'm going to try and do it by the book, literally.
Looking at the Tempestus Codex, I've narrowed my choice of regiment down to either the 73rd Epsilic Eagles, the 9th Iotan Gorgonnes, or the 54th Psian Jakals. I want to show what they look like but I'mm not sure how the rules cover that (there's a Jakal in my avatar though).
The Jakals have a lot going for them. Not only are they very menacing looking with their black uniforms, red goggles and white skull masks, but their's is also a very easy scheme to do. It's basically just black with detailing. However, some might say that that is just being lazy. :P
The Eagles and Gorgonnes however have a very nice and interesting camo schemes. It would be much harder to do but probably more rewarding overall. Suggestions would be appreciated! ;)
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I am really interested in how this project of yours will turn out Tangi. Mostly because the Tempestus are one of the recent 40k releases that has left me feeling that I no longer know what 40k is all about. But also because I really like seeing pictures of the Valkyrie. As for your painting question I would always suggest keeping it simple. Personally I find painting becomes tedious after a while and I couldn't imagine painting a whole army in a camo style. Black and grey is my vote.
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I am really interested in how this project of yours will turn out Tangi. Mostly because the Tempestus are one of the recent 40k releases that has left me feeling that I no longer know what 40k is all about.
Why do you feel that way, out of curiosity? Is it the fluff by any chance?
Regardless, thanks for the interest. :) If like Valkyries, you'll love this. I'll have four of them by the time I'm done. 8)
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If you're worried about the painting difficulty level, the Jackals might actually be more difficult. I think freehanding the skulls, and making them look good, will take more skill than making random blobs of color for the camp that don't need the same level of precision. Whatever your choice, I am definitely looking forward to watching your progress. I'm still sitting on a command squad, 10 man squad, and a Taurox unpainted. Maybe this will motivate me to work on them.
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Nice! Should be a fun project to follow. My brother uses Stormtroopers in every game and they are quite good and a real pain against my Aspect Warriors. I like the Tauroxes... are they gonna stay open-topped? Anyway cool project man and I'm looking forward to following it.
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I'm happy to see the interest this project is sparking! Thanks for that everyone. :)
If you're worried about the painting difficulty level, the Jackals might actually be more difficult. I think freehanding the skulls, and making them look good, will take more skill than making random blobs of color for the camp that don't need the same level of precision. Whatever your choice, I am definitely looking forward to watching your progress. I'm still sitting on a command squad, 10 man squad, and a Taurox unpainted. Maybe this will motivate me to work on them.
That is a good point actually. It would be damn hard. Unless stenciling is out of the question?
Nice! Should be a fun project to follow. My brother uses Stormtroopers in every game and they are quite good and a real pain against my Aspect Warriors. I like the Tauroxes... are they gonna stay open-topped? Anyway cool project man and I'm looking forward to following it.
That is great to hear (no offense to your Aspect Warriors ;)), because in the past Storm Troopers were usually difficult to use and not worth their points. From what I hear now though they're very good, if a little fragile.
Funnily enough...the Psian Jakals are said to be expert Eldar hunters, dodging their way through their esoteric weaponry and expertly putting laser beams through their rotten xeno heads. ;)
As for the Tauroxes, I remember the White Dwarf detailing their release talking about open topped jungle fighter versions as a possibility. I didn't know what that would take to make but having now seen the models I understand. It would be quite easily actually. Thing is though, I was planning to arm them with the Missile Launcher, which goes on the roof. That would rule out making them open topped. However, nothing is set in concrete just yet. :D
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Unless stenciling is out of the question?
I was planning to arm them with the Missile Launcher, which goes on the roof. That would rule out making them open topped. However, nothing is set in concrete just yet. :D
Re the stencil, not at all if you can either find or make one that small. I'm guessing though that you'd have to make one. Not impossible, but it's up to you if it's worth the hassle.
Re the missile launcher, put a missile pod on either side of the truck a la the Landspeeder Typhoon or FW missile armed Sentinels (I don't like the look of the missile pod the newer GW Sentinel kit comes with).
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Well, which army's fluff do you like most? Do you, for example, happen to have a regular opponent who plays a lot of eldar? Do you wish to tie it into another army of yours? Considerations like that.
Also, when it comes to skulls, they aren't that hard to do and there are some tutorials on painting them around. I'll look them up if you do decide to go for the jackals.
Lastly, you can also keep the tauroxes largely open topped, and make a partaial roof just to house the missile launcher. Not sure if that would look bad or not, but I'm guessing you can try it out/envision it with more ease.
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Re the stencil, not at all if you can either find or make one that small. I'm guessing though that you'd have to make one. Not impossible, but it's up to you if it's worth the hassle.
It does sound like a lot of hassle now that I think about it. I think I'll definitely have to do a few practice runs with all the proposed schemes to see what works best.
Re the missile launcher, put a missile pod on either side of the truck a la the Landspeeder Typhoon or FW missile armed Sentinels (I don't like the look of the missile pod the newer GW Sentinel kit comes with).
That sounds like it would look something like the Wurfrahmen 40 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurfrahmen_40http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurfrahmen_40), which is pretty unique. I certainly think that having the missiles on the side and the volley guns/autocannons on a turret on the roof is a better layout than vice versa.
Well, which army's fluff do you like most? Do you, for example, happen to have a regular opponent who plays a lot of eldar? Do you wish to tie it into another army of yours? Considerations like that.
Also, when it comes to skulls, they aren't that hard to do and there are some tutorials on painting them around. I'll look them up if you do decide to go for the jackals.
Lastly, you can also keep the tauroxes largely open topped, and make a partaial roof just to house the missile launcher. Not sure if that would look bad or not, but I'm guessing you can try it out/envision it with more ease.
At the moment, I don't have any opponents. :-\ All my friends have jacked 40k in for the moment, and my brother is living away from home.
Thanks for the offer though. That would be a great help. :)
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Forge World - ROCKET LAUNCHER SENTINEL (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Astra_Militarum_Tanks/ROCKET-LAUNCHER-SENTINEL.html)
I was envisioning missile pods more akin to ^, but that Wurfrahmen 40 looks cool. If you have some of the old school Hunter Killer missiles that came with the box tube launcher laying around then it wouldn't be hard to replicate.
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real quick and dirty guide: Freehand Skulls - quick and dirty guide - Painting Tutorials - The Bolter and (http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271761-freehand-skulls-quick-and-dirty-guide/)
If you want it looking better, this is a good starting off point for you to experiment yourself.
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Latest update:
I've more or less finished all the Scions apart from the weapons which stay off for now, which I'll show.
First Squad with their Prime:
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Second Squad with their Prime:
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I know it's all boring unfinished plastic at the moment but things are taking shape. :)
Also I made the Commissar from the box:
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Unfortunately for him however, he won't be featured in this army. Because he's got no gas mask. I tried very hard to give him one, made by sticking his hat to a Scion head (the gas masked beret wearing one) but it proved too difficult. Chiefly because his body uses a slot to secure the head, unlike the traditional ball socket join of the Scion kit and it was just too tricky for me to get right without ruining the whole model. This guy will sit on the sidelines and wait for me to start a normal IG army. Instead, I'm going to use a Forge World DKoK Commissar.
And I have another point to talk about. You may have noticed that I'm being very minimalist with my squad leaders:
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Urgh, crappy blurry camera...but anyway, this is because I've come to see the ol' sword in one hand and pistol in the other aspect of 40k as a bit silly. In a melee sure, but not all the time. How would you reload your gun? :o And although it's probably silly to see anything in 40k as too silly because it is very silly overall, that's just how I feel. Especially because these are ordinary humans. Marines, Orks, Eldar sure...but not squishly slow witted humans. :P
It's not all bad though. At least his gun has a chainsaw on it. A very prominent aspect of 40k! ;D
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Rofl, dude, I hate to break it to you but that's not a pistol with a chainsword on it. That's the medic's thingamabob, the Scion version of a narthecium.
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You're kidding!
Well, that's a big screw up on my part. :(
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Eh, you can make it work. I'd suggest cutting the muzzle off a spare laspistol and replace the injector tip with it and just play it off like you knew exactly what you were doing the whole time, lol.
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Hey Tangi I had a thought for those missile launchers. If you kept the vehicle open topped you could just have a Storm Trooper with a missile launcher standing in the back classic 80's action movie style. Heheh just a thought!
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... simple and brilliant.
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Eh, you can make it work. I'd suggest cutting the muzzle off a spare laspistol and replace the injector tip with it and just play it off like you knew exactly what you were doing the whole time, lol.
Whilst that would probably work, I'm starting to think that it would be better to arm them with plasma pistols, to give the squad some punch. Maybe I should just bury my reservations and just make them traditional style.
Hey Tangi I had a thought for those missile launchers. If you kept the vehicle open topped you could just have a Storm Trooper with a missile launcher standing in the back classic 80's action movie style. Heheh just a thought!
Heh, there's an idea. :D
Might be better suited for Catachans though. I'm thinking that mechanical launchers mounted on the side are the best solution. But I'll try to give both a try.
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I am really interested in how this project of yours will turn out Tangi. Mostly because the Tempestus are one of the recent 40k releases that has left me feeling that I no longer know what 40k is all about.
Why do you feel that way, out of curiosity? Is it the fluff by any chance?
Regardless, thanks for the interest. :) If like Valkyries, you'll love this. I'll have four of them by the time I'm done. 8)
Not sure if your project is the place for this but seeing as you asked. It isn't their fluff that is the problem but my lack of interest in fluff. From my non-fluffy point of view the Tempestus release seems to have come from nowhere and amongst what I consider to be normal armies they strike me as a bit of an oddball army. I think the long and short of it is that I don't really understand why they need their own Codex. I feel the same way about Imperial Knights and the recent Harlequin's as well.
Back on topic in a roundabout fashion. The Valkyrie is one of the best models GW produces and I wish it could be used by every army (without conversion or counts as). Seeing four of them together will be a beautiful sight :)
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Not sure if your project is the place for this but seeing as you asked. It isn't their fluff that is the problem but my lack of interest in fluff. From my non-fluffy point of view the Tempestus release seems to have come from nowhere and amongst what I consider to be normal armies they strike me as a bit of an oddball army. I think the long and short of it is that I don't really understand why they need their own Codex. I feel the same way about Imperial Knights and the recent Harlequin's as well.
You know, this is a good topic of discussion. Maybe we should start a thread about it in the General 40k board?
Back on topic in a roundabout fashion. The Valkyrie is one of the best models GW produces and I wish it could be used by every army (without conversion or counts as). Seeing four of them together will be a beautiful sight :)
You're right there. :) I was gobsmacked when they pinched it off FW and made it in plastic.
And speaking of Valkyries...I picked one up online for next to nothing:
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It's in great condition, if a little dusty
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This is the full set here
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Looking pretty good. However, there are some problems. It didn't come with door gunners. And the front landing pad is broken
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But I checked it out and it's a straight crack. A touch of glue should fix it right up. The biggest problem is that the panels for one of the cockpit canopies is missing
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This is a small but significant problem. :P
I'm hoping I can find the parts I need. It would be a shame to have the whole model blighted by such a problem.
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Bummer bout the cockpit. Samething has happened to me countless times with my Eldar vehicles... even the Void Raven which was A HUGE pain. But I'm looking at the bits you need on ebay right now... get on there and pick up a spare!
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Bummer bout the cockpit. Samething has happened to me countless times with my Eldar vehicles... even the Void Raven which was A HUGE pain. But I'm looking at the bits you need on ebay right now... get on there and pick up a spare!
Way ahead of you. ;)
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I picked this up earlier in the week. It was a little bit more expensive than I wanted but it has the exact parts I need and then some. So, that's that problem solved!
However, what I'm worried about is the eventual painting of the little bit on the clear plastic canopy that bridges the gap between the two panels. That looks really tricky. Any suggestions?
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I can't for the life of me remember the name but there's this stuff I've seen in tutorials used to mask the "glass" parts. It's a thin, translucent liquid you paint over that part and once it's dry it can be pealed right off.
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I can't for the life of me remember the name but there's this stuff I've seen in tutorials used to mask the "glass" parts. It's a thin, translucent liquid you paint over that part and once it's dry it can be pealed right off.
I gotta find out what this was and acquire it post haste.
In the meantime, I have a budget set to buy either the remaining troops for the formation (two boxes of Scions and two Tauroxes) or the paints to paint them. As I'm still unsure as to how I'm actually going to paint them yet, and having the full force will allow me to get some practice games in, I think it will best to get the miniatures in first.
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Hmmm... A fluid you can use to mask areas before painting...
Sounds like... Masking Fluid. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=masking+fluid+for+acrylic&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=GQziVO3wBcuR7AaZ74HAAQ) ;)
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However, what I'm worried about is the eventual painting of the little bit on the clear plastic canopy that bridges the gap between the two panels. That looks really tricky. Any suggestions?
What about something simple like a low tack masking tape or try making yourself a masking stencil from cardboard.
I can't for the life of me remember the name but there's this stuff I've seen in tutorials used to mask the "glass" parts. It's a thin, translucent liquid you paint over that part and once it's dry it can be pealed right off.
Were you thinking of Revell Colour Stop by any chance?
I think it will best to get the miniatures in first.
Definitely miniatures before paint. I appear to have made myself a hobby out of buying miniatures and then doing nothing with them. :)
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Hmmm... A fluid you can use to mask areas before painting...
Sounds like... Masking Fluid. (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=masking+fluid+for+acrylic&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=GQziVO3wBcuR7AaZ74HAAQ) ;)
Never seen that stuff before but it probably works just the same. I wanna say the stuff I've seen was called Micro something or other.
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hehe, alienscar... I know that problem. that's why I try to get paint before models - then actually stop myself from buying more models until I've finished painting what I've got
I guess that's the reason I haven't bought any warhammer mini's for years, and only ask for more stuff on my birthday. Well, it's part of the reason, in any case ;)
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Alrighty, I'll be in the market for miniatures and masking fluid. :)
In the meantime, there was something else I wanted to ask about, even though this is more of a background question. What do you guys think of the concept of Scion Heavy Weapon Teams? I know that they are supposed to be rapid reaction shock troop paratrooper commandos but everyone in a combat situation will at times need heavy firepower right?
Of course, Scions being Scions, I imagine that any weapons they have will be better than standard Militarum equipment. Perhaps instead of being crew carried and tri pod mounted, maybe their weapons can carry themselves along:
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Any thoughts?
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I guess in part this depends on where they fight. If they fight a lot of urban battles, going from room to room, a heavy weapon might be both unwieldy and unnecessary. If they fight in more open grounds, or even large city streets, I imagine their heavy weapon support comes more from the vehicles they arrived in.
If you do want heavy weapons crewed by infantry, it might be worth checking out forgeworld's elysian drop troops for ideas, since they pack as light as possible as well.
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I guess in part this depends on where they fight. If they fight a lot of urban battles, going from room to room, a heavy weapon might be both unwieldy and unnecessary. If they fight in more open grounds, or even large city streets, I imagine their heavy weapon support comes more from the vehicles they arrived in.
If you do want heavy weapons crewed by infantry, it might be worth checking out forgeworld's elysian drop troops for ideas, since they pack as light as possible as well.
That's a good point I suppose. I think what Scions really need are their own Sentinels. They're great mobile weapon platforms. I made rules for some a while ago. (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=228523.0)
I was inspired by the Elysians though. I figured that the missile launcher and mortar can be used traditional style, and it's the autocannon, lascannon and heavy bolter that are mounted on the tracked unit.
Perhaps this is all an unnecessary distraction though. What I should be doing is ordering the last troops in and making a working play list. :P
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but unnecessary distractions can be so much fun and so good for your creativity :)
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Never seen that stuff before but it probably works just the same. I wanna say the stuff I've seen was called Micro something or other.
At a guess I'd go with MicroScale, they do a lot of decal fixing fluids (Which I've used) but never tried their masking fluid. afaik all the masking fluids are basicly the same. :)
Of course, Scions being Scions, I imagine that any weapons they have will be better than standard Militarum equipment. Perhaps instead of being crew carried and tri pod mounted, maybe their weapons can carry themselves along:
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Any thoughts?
Reminds me of the Raiper track unit (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Legiones_Astartes/Space_Marine_Legion_Army_List/LEGION_ELITES/Legion_Rapier_Weapons_Battery/LEGION_RAPIER_QUAD_HEAVY_BOLTER.html).
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Sorry for the lack of stuff to present. The redecorating has taken over everything. :P
Also, this is a screenshot of my Guardian (from Destiny):
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How does that look for inspiration for a Scion paint scheme? I still like the Jakal's Black, white and red look but I'm still looking at other ideas.
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Thats a VERY bright shade of green... I think a little too much for an Imperial force. Its bordering on Striking Scorpion territory.
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Thats a VERY bright shade of green... I think a little too much for an Imperial force. Its bordering on Striking Scorpion territory.
Sorry for the late reply. It's been ages since I could get anything 40k modeling wise done. :P
Anyway yeah, you're right. That is way too bright and Eldar looking for Imperial forces. Since then I've pretty much settled on making them a force of the Jakals so it's not a problem.
And here's my latest efforts; another Valkyrie almost made:
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Right now it's in those sections for ease of painting, but they can be popped together in the unlikely event of a casual game happening. All it needs before that is for the weapons to be magnetized and attached, the canopy and door gunners to be attached, and then to be painted. So...still a lot to do. :P
There was also an unfortunate cock up with the hinges of the rear boarding ramp which has forced me to glue it shut in order to keep it attached to the model. I'm pretty annoyed at that. I've been making a lot of mistakes modeling wise with this project! :P
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Nice! Love the Valkyrie bummer about the backdoor my brother had to do the same thing. You said they are going to be Jackals? So does that mean a black color scheme?
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Hey there, cool things to see you back in business :D looking forward to what comes out of this vendetta. it's a pretty cool looking flyer in my opinion so i'm looking forward to see how you will change it ^^
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Thank you guys. :)
Nice! Love the Valkyrie bummer about the backdoor my brother had to do the same thing. You said they are going to be Jackals? So does that mean a black color scheme?
Glad I'm not the only one who goofed up. :D And yes, they're going to be Jackals which means black. Because it's easy and simple and I like that because I'm lazy. ;D
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Because it's easy and simple and I like that because I'm lazy. ;D
I ear you on that one :D unfortunatly can't do that in my army >< when you say jackals, you mean these jackals (http://www.mangareader.net/838/jackals.html)?
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I ear you on that one :D unfortunatly can't do that in my army >< when you say jackals, you mean these jackals (http://www.mangareader.net/838/jackals.html)?
'Fraid not friend. ;D
But I'm back, with another Valkyrie almost done:
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I'm leaving the canopy and the door gunners off at the moment of course. And I've cleverly assembled it in sections which will make it easier to paint and transport:
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It's funny. Now that I'm working again, my time is precious, which makes me strive harder to get important things done. This might be a good thing. :)
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Hell yeah. Love the Valkyrie/Vendetta kit. These are gonna look so killer in black. My brother is still going back and forth on whether or not to paint his Vulture black (I'm in favor of it). I'm really looking forward to see where this project goes. Having painted a ton of Guard to help my brother along I've really fallen in love with the models and love all the character IG armies can have. Big fan of Storm Troopers as well and deepstriking out of Vendetta's/Valkries is such an awesome late game tactic that it makes them super fast. Anyway looking forward to more... keep it coming Tangi!
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@ Cavalier
Yes, it's one of the finest models GW have ever made, the Valkyrie kit. I was hesitant to go black on it because I've only ever seen it painted in an olive green or sky grey like real life military helicopters. But then I came across this pic of someone who's gone with a similar scheme and it helped me make up my mind to go with it:
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The IG are an easy army to love for sure, and the models are a big part of that. The models and the fluff that is.
I've only got one more Valkyrie to go before all models I have are suitably assembled and I can think towards painting. I'll have to get a few sacrificial models to practice painting on though. It's been a very long time since I did any painting and I'm bound to be rusty. Two volunteers stepping up for that are the two Tempestors I made, because I screwed up and gave them the medic arm, thinking that it could pass as a laspistol with a chainsword. It can't. :P
So, that means that the purchase list will be three more boxes of Scions (to build one last squad and to be test models) and to get two more Tauroxes. That'll be the Militarum Tempestus wing of the army sorted out. Then it'll be figuring out what direction to go in after that.
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Hell yeah. GW's blacks are so nice it makes for a very forgiving process when you're a bit rusty. Personally I think you can get away with just doing Eshin Grey edge highlighting with a bit of Dawnstone at the corners and extreme edges and call it a day.
Wow so how many Valkyries do you have? Thats an expensive army, but impressive as hell. A real dream build. Way to go for theme Tangi. Can't wait to see what this is gonna look like.
BTW I think Sentinels for Urban combat would be such a sick addition to a Storm Trooper army. Might not be totally fitting the fluff but it'd be neat.
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Hell yeah. GW's blacks are so nice it makes for a very forgiving process when you're a bit rusty. Personally I think you can get away with just doing Eshin Grey edge highlighting with a bit of Dawnstone at the corners and extreme edges and call it a day.
Thank you very much for the suggestion! I wasn't sure how to do a black vehicle (as odd as that sounds) because they've changed all the names of the paints. So cheers for that. :)
Wow so how many Valkyries do you have? Thats an expensive army, but impressive as hell. A real dream build. Way to go for theme Tangi. Can't wait to see what this is gonna look like.
I have four of them! Jackal Squadron (maybe)! It's gonna be sweeet! 8)
BTW I think Sentinels for Urban combat would be such a sick addition to a Storm Trooper army. Might not be totally fitting the fluff but it'd be neat.
As recon vehicles I think they would totally fit the fluff! Armored Sentinels are so cool looking, I just had to get some. So I did! Actually, I got these over six years ago but never really got around to finishing them:
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I assembled one in a running pose:
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and the other more normally:
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I don't know what weapons to give them but I'll work it out. I've got a few more lying around but I can't find them at the moment because the house is being decorated and everything is everywhere. These might be painted differently to the other units since they're from a separate corps.
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Yes, I love sentinels. They're such beautiful models, and I wish I had some way to use them myself.
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Yes, I love sentinels. They're such beautiful models, and I wish I had some way to use them myself.
Agreed. One of the finest kits GW make. :)
So despite the terrible state my room (or indeed, the whole house) is in on account of major renovation work (which is dragging on for too freaking long), I've still been moving ahead with this project. It's tough having to work on the floor whist your room is being used as storage space but it can't be helped.
To recap, this is how the force looks in it's current state:
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There's still one Valkyrie and a couple of Sentinels to make. And I still have one more squad of Scions and two Tauroxes to get before this 'section' is gathered and assembled. One Valkyrie (the painted one I bought on eBay) is missing a wing mounted landing pad and I can't remember where I put the damn thing. However, it'll either turn up or I can replace it so there's no stress there.
There is however, another problem that is stressing me out and unlike the one above it can't be fixed. Let me show you all what it is. Here's the front end of one Valkyrie:
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And here's the front end of the other:
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Anyone see the glaring mistake I made with the first one? That's right. I forgot that middle thing, whatever the hell it is. And it's too far gone to go back now. Not without severely damaging the parts beyond repair. So that's one Valkyrie with a missing landing pad, one with a glued up rear ramp, and one with an incorrectly assembled front end. Things could be going a lot better if I'm honest. :(
This is what happens when I don't have a desk to work on and have to lay around on the floor like an animal. Mistakes get made. Maybe I should save all this for the new year. :P
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Bummer Tangi but who the hell even knows what those weird things are in the front? I wouldn't worry about it, nor the backdoor opening. Some of my Wave Serpents can open and close, others dont and I don't think I've ever opened the hatch in a game. The missing landing pad does stink though I bet you could bits order it on ebay though.
The Valkyrie is a pain from start to finish. I remember my brother assembling his and it was really difficult. The Vendetta conversion kit isn't very intuitive either. Trying to get the lascannons on the wings is enormous pain.
I did get a laugh out of "lying on the floor like an animal" your frustration was absolutely palpable and I felt your pain! Keep with it man I'm sure it'll all come out great in the end!
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Yeah, hell if I know what they are. :P
You're right though. As beautiful as the kit is when it's done, it's a pain to put together. And I figured that the Vendetta kit would be a pain too. Forgeworld are like that. :P
I also just realized that the Valkyrie with the missing do da at the front is also the one with the sealed shut door. Now...this might be expensive and silly, but I'm actually about ready to 'write off' that Valkyrie. This would mean shelving it, swapping it's wings with the other one so that it's also the one with the missing landing pad, and using it for target painting practice. And only taking it out to game with in the biggest of games. I still have three others, and I can always acquire another one in future if I do want four (which I do). But still...it seems really wasteful.
What would you guys recommend? I guess I'm not so much as getting rid of it as I'm just putting it on the back burner...it'll be in a box rather than the display case. Oh yeah, I have a display case. Can't wait to put the finished army on display in it. ;D
I have to do that to some of the Scions too. Does anyone else waste as much models as I do? :P
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If it really bothers you I'd just swap it out. I've done the same thing a bunch of times. Its a visual game and if there something irking you the whole time it puts a damper on the experience. I bought the Forgeworld Nightwing, painted the whole thing, shelved it and kitbashed another one immediatley afterwards because I felt it just looked dated next to my other models and I couldn't be happier. My kitbashed Nightwing is one of my favorite all time models now, and earned ace pilot distinction (and battle honor bades on the model) since. I say go for it, especially if you have an extra ready to be swapped in, or will in the future.
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You're right. Why let this minor detail spoil a near perfectly good model? I've ordered some replacement parts off ebay and as soon as they arrive I'll swap them over. Apart from this there's only a glued up ramp and that's nothing really. My only worry now is getting the original do das off the front without damaging the model.
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Two small updates! I managed to remove the messed up do das on the front of that Valkyrie and put the replacement parts on, and without any hassle:
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Whilst the ramp is still glued shut, at least it now looks the way it's supposed to look.
I also finished another Sentinel:
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They might be awesome models but those legs are tricky. :P
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Awesome! So glad you were able to fix-up that Valkyrie. Can't wait to see that Sentinel as well. My brother is working on some IG flyers right now too, specifically the dreaded Vulture!
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Good news on the flyer, and great posing on the sentinel. Can't wait to see it painted.
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Awesome! So glad you were able to fix-up that Valkyrie. Can't wait to see that Sentinel as well. My brother is working on some IG flyers right now too, specifically the dreaded Vulture!
Ah the Vulture! An insanely awesome model with equally awesome rules. I'd kill to have one, and I wish it would be included into the Codex. Please tell your brother good choice and good luck! :)
And thanks! I'm so happy the Valkyrie came through OK. Now I just need a landing pad for the other one and they'll all be OK.
Good news on the flyer, and great posing on the sentinel. Can't wait to see it painted.
Thanks! :) I think the sentinels will probably be painted far differently than the scions or the flyers.
By the way, a long awaited moment for me. All four fliers together at last:
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They'll hopefully look even better painted.
And there's the Sentinels. I took a chance with the posing but ultimately I think that it was worth it:
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I also found another Sentinel kit dirt cheap, so I'll have four of those as well once it's finished.
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Hey man this looks nice! If i were to play guard some day i would havd tons of flyers as well, that will look super cool before a game when you lay your army down! Keel at it dude!
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yes, this'll look awesome... Paint quicker!
... like I'm one to talk...
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Ah yes, painting them. Unfortunately, with the way my house and work life is at the moment, that part of the project might not start until the new year. So no way am I earning any points in the painting competition. :P
However, the buying and building side of the project can still continue unabashed. There's still another Sentinel to go, along with two Tauroxes and another scion squad to purchase and build. Then from there, who knows? I'm building this army from as much of an aesthetic view point as a gaming one.
Right now I'm wondering if it's worth my time and money buying that How To Paint Citadel Miniatures: Astra Militarum book for guidance. If it tells me exactly what colours to use for Jakals and how to apply them then I think it would be worth it. What do you guys think?
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As much as people knock GW for selling material like "Hot to Paint" the Paint Splatter articles in WD are gold as far as I'm concerned. Ever since I started commission painting I've been shocked by how many times I've gone through my White Dwarfs for tutorials on certain techniques. Its something I'd never really done before because I've painted only 3 different types of models, but seriously they include stuff in their painting tutorials you never would have thought of, especially super easy wash/drybrush that makes a dramatic difference. To me the benefit is it reduces time spent painting, and money saved on buying "experimental" paint choices. With their guides it lets you know exactly what you need and you can even simplify it if you don't want every choice.
Not sure if its included but if gives you a guide to heraldry, squad markings all that its totally worth it in my book.
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I've tried to do some research on what's in that book, especially to see if it has a guide for painting Jakals. But no luck. I get paid soon however, and I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and buy it.
In other news, I'm having a situation with my Sentinels.
First, the glue on the legs of the newest one has come undone, resulting in it flip flopping around:
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Then there's the poses on the other two. I made these years ago (when the model was rereleased) and whilst I thought making them run was a good idea at the time, now I'm not so sure:
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Apologies for the bare mattress and vacuum cleaner in view. Oh and the searchlight broke off one too. Dang it. :P
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They look fine to me! I wouldn't worry about it. I did a running pose on one of my War Walkers and wasn't thrilled with it, but it looks a lot better when they are on some terrain and next to some other models. These look good in my opinion so I wouldnt worry about it.
What weaponry are you going to go with on these guys? My brother and I are always trying to figure out what weapons would be best on his.
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Thanks. :)
The one with the foot in the air seems ok I suppose. The other one looks like it's about to fall flat on its face. On both it seems like the legs are all out of shape. I'll keep them for now, and see how they look with a paint job on them.
What weaponry are you going to go with on these guys? My brother and I are always trying to figure out what weapons would be best on his.
Good question! They don't have good enough ballistic skill for las cannons in my opinion. Missile launchers are a poor choice. I accept that now. Heavy flames are good but are limited in use. Multi lasers and auto cannons are ok but there's other ways to take them in the army. Plasma cannon sentinels aren't too expensive and have good killing power against all kinds of infantry, and could take out light vehicles in a pinch too, so I'm looking at them. Only thing is, I just realised that they have the additional power pack pack to go on the side and I may have already filled that block. :P
But, things can always be undone. I got clippers. ;)
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Thats funny my brother rocked Plasmacannons on his as well. They shocked us both when they outflanked and blew the hell out of my Hornets. The only tricky thing is "Gets Hot!" as the old Sentinels only have 2 HPs. I think the Autocannons are a good choice, but I actually think the Plasmacannons work a bit better. The Sentinels are so cheap, that the risk/reward mitigates the potential damage they can inflict. In general I'm always willing to gamble on a cheap, high damage output unit. Especially when they look good!
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oftentimes you can solve the issue of wobbly torso's by applying some of the thin plastic glue (the one that's applied through the long, steel needle) around the joint, moveing the torso a bit, and then holding it in the right place.
as for your runners: while I do like the foot off the ground, I do agree the might be leaning sliiiiightly too far forward. Matter of taste, I suppose.
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Thats funny my brother rocked Plasmacannons on his as well. They shocked us both when they outflanked and blew the hell out of my Hornets. The only tricky thing is "Gets Hot!" as the old Sentinels only have 2 HPs. I think the Autocannons are a good choice, but I actually think the Plasmacannons work a bit better. The Sentinels are so cheap, that the risk/reward mitigates the potential damage they can inflict. In general I'm always willing to gamble on a cheap, high damage output unit. Especially when they look good!
They look best when equipped with a plasma cannon in my opinion. The power cables go well with the lights and antenna on the model. Plus as you say, they are high damage low cost units so what have I got to lose?
However me, being the incompoop that I am, glued in the little thing that goes with the auto cannon and missile launcher. I should have stopped and planned ahead. This meant that I had to cut it off and smooth out the area, but the cannon now seems to fit on a dry run:
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You can see the damage, but the cables cover it. I really need to think things through, because as I shall now explain, It gets even better! :P
oftentimes you can solve the issue of wobbly torso's by applying some of the thin plastic glue (the one that's applied through the long, steel needle) around the joint, moveing the torso a bit, and then holding it in the right place.
as for your runners: while I do like the foot off the ground, I do agree the might be leaning sliiiiightly too far forward. Matter of taste, I suppose.
Although I solved the wobbly walker problem, I have discovered to my great annoyance, that due to the way it's positioned, no weapons will fit onto the running Sentinel, making it completely useless. And the other one is so poorly possed I can't stand it any more. It's with great embarreshment that I'm going to have to write the two of them off and relegate them to painting practice miniatures, along with my two tempestors. Damn 19 year old me! I should have known better, even then! :P
In my attemp to fix the running sentinel I only ended up tearing it apart too:
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This project has had a lot of ups and downs so far it must be said. :-\
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Tangi Fight ! I here you on everything going the opposite way you wish it goes, keep it up it's coming along :)
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Some of my best built models ended up being ones I took apart and rebuilt or eBay buys that you would think of as scrap, but was able to salvage and turned out better than if I started out with it off the sprue. Never write off a model. There is always potential in any piece to be a great looking model. It just challenges you to think outside the box and problem solve how to correct a bad pose or broken piece. As Grizzlykin says, hang in there.
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Thank you for the words of support guys. :)
I did manage to save the cabin, the base and one of the legs. Some searching could turn up replacement parts. The biggest issue for it now is the fact that the ball joint that connects the cabin to the 'pelvis' is ruined, but it could probably be repaired with a bit of work. And I really hope to repair it, because otherwise it's a terrible waste of a fine model. And it never got to take part in a game either.
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Gives you a chance to pin it and put it in a pose that the original design didn't make possible. Had to do that with a wraithlord I got on eBay cheap nd he looks awesome now. Luckily the ball joints are more for the connection and posing and less for the esthetic. Easier to cover that up with greenstuff than a detailed outer panel.
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Hi guys! Sorry for the lack of activity recently. Events in real life have been keeping me from doing any serious work on the army. But this will change in the new year. In the meantime, can I get some opinions on this Sentinel?
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Putting it together was pretty tricky, and I'm just a bit worried that it had the same problem as the others. Namely, a completely unrealistic stance. Does it seem OK? And please excuse the background there. The house is a building site at the moment. :P
With the release of the Emperor's Talon Recon Company I'm going to be needing a lot more of these by the way! Which is great because I love the model and I love the idea of them! ;D
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I'd say it has a, "Hey, what's that over there!" stance. Perfectly legit.
I might not use a grey background, for a grey model, though. :)
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Yeah it looks good to me Tangi! I'd imagine it seeing some filthy Chaos worshiper in a building and turning around to hose it down with fire lol
I would try and keep the poses on the other models a bit more standard. My War-Walkers are all basic except one of them whose in an action pose just to keep cohesiveness.
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I think the pose looks awesome. It looks like it just took some small arms fire or saw something on one side and instinctively ducks and looks that way to give some return fire. Or maybe it crouched in a hidden position and is now coming up. Or is trying to manouvre out of the way while being under heavier fire. So many options, but they all look natural, and the pose is just great.
I'd say, if you're building a squadron, try to think of a 'story'. Are they all dodging out of the way under fire, are they all just turning their guns on a possible threat, or something completely different, and see if you can get various poses that seem to resonate with that story.
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I love the pose very dynamic and as the others have said, it could describe many different narratives. Keep up the good work!
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@ Cavalier
Thank you. :) That's a good idea, to build the rest in a more standard fashion. It would make the action posed one look more distinctive. I could put it at the head of its squadron and it would be a real eye catcher.
@ vonny
That's another great idea, thank you! I like the narrative idea in miniature form a lot
@ dog_of_war
Thank you too. :)
In main blog news, it's the start of a new year and I want to really increase the amount of work I get done on this project. So I hope to really get more done asap, including the start of painting. And I need to rename this blog, as I've moved on to far more than just stormtroopers. I'm going to spam tanks and sentinels too.
There's one small worry I have at the moment though. I'm worried that I may have overdone it with all the extra webbing on the Scions though. I've stuck grenades, ammo pouches and that box thing right into their armor and I hope it's OK. Not too cluttered.
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For my latest update, I regret to say that I did a very stupid thing. I tried to remove some of the extra webbing on my Stormtroopers and I broke their armour. Four times:
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Is there any way to repair this, or have I just written off four perfectly good models to painting practice? :(
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Its very hard to tell from the picture... is is it their chest armor that was damaged? If so wont the guns hide it?
Like I said elsewhere sorry you had another mess-up buddy. Nothing worse when you mess up in the modeling phase. So frustrating! If you could get some better lighting and I can give a little more specific advice.
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I apologize for the bad quality of the pictures. It's the lighting in the room. I'll try again soon. And it's not the chest plate that's damaged by the lower part. I think they're called the grieves? The two little plates that hang down and protect the thighs.
And thanks for the words of support Cavalier. This setback has knocked my confidence with this project a far bit. The good news is, I still have enough Stormtroopers to make a full sized platoon. Just a platoon made up of minimum sized squads.
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I see that, now that you point it out.
Any good with green stuff? It is hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like you could do some effective "plastic surgery" on it relatively easily if it's what I think it is.
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I see that, now that you point it out.
Any good with green stuff? It is hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like you could do some effective "plastic surgery" on it relatively easily if it's what I think it is.
I've used green stuff only once, over a decade ago. I could give it a try, but I don't expect to succeed.
Also, I've now decided what I'm going to do for my ordinary rank and file infantry. I'm going to use the Cadian Hostile Environment conversion kits from Forge World:
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It would be nice to have collected the beautiful Death Korps models, but I have to be realistic. Those kits are just too expensive. Meanwhile, I have tonnes of Cadian parts lying around. Enough to make several platoons worth of men. Three sets of these and I'm good to go!
I wanted the army to be faceless. It's a theme. Faceless, expendable henchmen. It suits the Imperium well. That, and I'm in a crazy Star Wars mood (stormtroopers!)
If there's one criticism I could make of modern GW kits, and this is a silly criticism I'm sure, it's the fact that the heads and bodies etc are all widely varied. I want my army to be a hoard of faceless, completely identical, expendable drones.
But, this isn't to say that I'm not keen on some individualism, and having some Death Korp models too. Because I'm going to get the DK Commissars to led the force:
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They have the same theme as the rank and file troops (faceless, gas mask etc) but they'll really stand out when surrounded by them.
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Thats great Tangi. My brother has 30 of them all nearly painted at this point. Just need highlights on their fatigues and they are done. Its a REALLY great kit, and its super easy to get just the special weapons you want cause FW sells them in little 5 man bundles of melta, flamer or plasma.
Thats fantastic news my friend can't wait to see what they are gonna look like. Any ideas on a color scheme?
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Thanks Cavalier. :)
I'd love to see your brothers models, to get a feel of how they look once painted up. As for a colour scheme...damn, I got nuthin! :P
I would like it to look vaguely realistic though. Not bright silly colours. We can leave that to the marines. ;)
Actually, in contrast to the black armoured Storm Troopers, I might go white or light grey. But that would mean a white undercoat, and I've had bad luck in the past with white spray paint. :P
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Here's one from awhile back. We got the idea from the Red Shoulder brigade from Armored Troopers VOTOMS probably the grittiest, most fantastic mecha war anime's of all time. What a story... anyway
The rest of his troopers are dark grey though, the whole thing being painted to match our board, while our board's color scheme was set up to contrast strongly with my Eldar. I always like the idea that Guardsmen change their camo based on the environment where they are on campaign.
I've actually seen some fantastic hazardous enviro Guardsmen in White Dwarf... one was a dark ruddy red and others were dark sandy yellow. I've been working with Zendri dust primer from GW and absoltuley loving it! I don't know whats going on with their new primers, especially the colored ones but they last FOREVER. I'd definitley pick a color-scheme that matches an available primer from GW, Army Painter or some other brand that you like. Avoid the airbrush whenever possible!
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That is beautiful! And it's close to how I want my stormtroopers to look. Thank you for sharing that pic as well as the advice. :)
I'll have to have a real look around for the right scheme. Because I really want those commissar models to stand out.
I'm also very aware though that we're five pages into this blog and I've yet to show anything really out there, like a paint job or conversion. This should change very soon. I started a new job but it's temporary, and once it's done I'll have my workstation set up and I'll be producing things on a daily basis.
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Just wanted to say that it's great to see a project like this progress, and I can't wait to see it continue.
As far as paint schemes go, sounds like what you're after is similar to what I had on my old guard army (back when the Cadians were first released in plastic).
I wanted something matte and (somewhat) realistic and ended up settling on a very dark grey fatigues with black armour. It looked pretty good, and was easy as to paint. From memory it was a Chaos black undercoat with a 50/50 Chaos Black and Codex Grey mix, highlighted to a 25/75 Chaos Black/Codex Grey mix. The armour was done with about a 85/15 Chaos Black/Codex Grey mix - enough to take the gloss out of the brushed on Chaos Black, and then edge highlights as appropriate. It was also quick and easy to paint, much to the annoyance of my mates at the time (there was a mini-tournament we had once with a 3 colour minimum rule - and I painted two Chimeras, a russ and two heavy weapons squads, start to finish, in about 30 minutes before the tournament started).
I'm only just now really getting back into the game, and am more into the collecting side at the moment. But once I've finished my Ork project off I've been eyeing off my old guard models, think I might give them a crack next - thanks for the inspiration.
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@ Exarch Thomo
Thank you for the advice! That is really helpful to me. I think that it's not necessary to have an elaborate paint scheme, just an effect one. And with many things, sometimes less is more. Especially if I can produce them quickly! This would also make the details of their lenses and other gear stand out a lot more. I think red would be best but I'm open to any suggestions.
And I'm thrilled to hear that I've inspired you somewhat. That makes me very happy, and I'll strive to keep this blog going frequently and to the best of my ability. :)
In some other news, a very minor detail, but one little part on my sentinels was put on the wrong way around (the power box on the left with the searchlight attached to it). It's basically upside down. It's very insignificant, but the perfectionist in me is screaming 'you idiot!' :P
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as for your stormtroopers... I'm not sure, but could you possibly have those broken uper leg plates as... well, broken upper leg plates? Already battle damaged stuff, because, you know, they're guard and they don't always get to be equipped with the new stuff. Having seen baatle and being shunted from one end of the conflict to another as the guard's 'elite', there might be a few who had not had proper resupply for their armour yet.
Or am I being silly now?
Anyway, don't be disheartened. We all make mistakes (hoo boy, do we all make mistakes), and that's something to learn from.
If all else fails (including the damaged armour idea), then practise the green stuff skills on them (if need be with someone from your local store) to see if you can fix it. If you're planning to not use them anyway because of the damage, all you can lose is some time. What you can gain is a ton of experience!
A few years back there was a conversion contest on another forum. Someone asked if I was to join in, and I said I couldn't do it, because I'd never done it before. So the guy said "if you never try, you'll never know. All the best sculpters here said that the fear of trying something is their biggest stumbling block". I tried, eventually built this Tervigon WIP (http://album.warpshadow.com/v/Hive-Fleet-Charybdis-vonny/Tervigon_WIP/) (hope you can see it), and am still happy with the result even years later.
The guy who encouraged me then is dead now, so in his memory I'll encourage you to try out your greenstuff skills! Or, you know, just use them as elite guardsmen with no recent resupply. ;)
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@ vonny
I suppose it could be battle damage, but I could probably never shake off the accusations that it was an accident rather than a deliberate style choice. :P
But greenstuff practice sounds good! As you said, I have nothing to lose but time. If I fix them I fix them. If not...I can still practice painting on them. And I'm sorry to hear your friend passed away too.
Also, some recent developments. My old friend is returning to the game soon with a Mechanicus force (which means I will have to shelf my idea of eventually collecting them! ;D) so the good news is I will be playing games again in a few months time! :)
The...not exactly bad news but something to bare in mind news is...I initially said that I wanted my army as a hoard of faceless goons. But the Skitarii are that too. And I consider my force to be more on the 'light side' than the Skitarii. And the rules of Hollywood say that good guys show their faces. Should I continue with the forge world hazardous environment suits, or make them ordinary looking Cadians or something else? I could justify it by saying that all the radiation the Mechanicus deploys making not wearing the hazardous gear impossible. I kinda wish there were decent Tallarn models now. :P
This is an example of how I put too much thought into stuff. Anyway, I am now renaming this blog to Tangi's Militarum because it's moving beyond Storm Troopers now.
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@Vonny- That Tervigon is amazing Vonny! Holy crap do I love it. Aces as always and yes I'm sorry about your friend too.
@Tangi- Don't worry about that hollywood crap Tangi, these are guys are Hammers of the Emperor all that matters is their deeds on the battlefield! My brothers Bloodsucker Battalion is a faceless unit of death but their loyalty to the Emperor is unquestioned! Thats awesome that your friend is getting back into 40k, nothing worse than not being able to play. Yeah try not to over think things because you don't want to get stuck in planning phase of your army. I did that when I first got started with my Corsairs and I have loads of experimental units (like 20 Cold One Riders, 10 mangled counts-as Banshees, wrecked Razorwing and 4 busted Wave Serpents) that will most likely never see the light of day... and boy do I wish had that money back. I'd just move forward with the Forgeworld Cadians they are absolutely killer models that will turn heads at the gaming store. Carry on good sir!
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I didn't realize that there was a link to that Tervigon! And yes it is amazing! :)
@ Cavalier
You make a lot of fair points there. OK, Forgeworld Cadians it is then!
I'm looking to acquire them within the next few months. In the meantime I'll try to fix those Stormtroopers and Sentinels. This blog will probably be dormant for a little while but then it'll take off in a big way.
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I'd stay with the masks too. They might be more on the light side than your friend's skitarii, that doesn't mean they can't be faceless goons still. Don't change the concept of your army just because of 1 friend.
Good luck on those stormtroopers!
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I'd stay with the masks too. They might be more on the light side than your friend's skitarii, that doesn't mean they can't be faceless goons still. Don't change the concept of your army just because of 1 friend.
Good luck on those stormtroopers!
A belated thank you for the well wishes. :)
And just some small news about the army, I think I found a compromise between the 'faceless goons' and the 'good guys have individuality' concepts. I looked at the Clone Troopers from Star Wars (yeah I know, prequels :P), and although they all wear identical, face concealing armor, they also decorate this armor with customized markings:
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Would something like this work for the Guard? Is that within 40k's Imperial style? It might add a bit of variety to the otherwise plain uniforms.
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Hey Tangi I can't see the picture that you have posted and when I copy the address I get "this webpage is not available"
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Hey Tangi I can't see the picture that you have posted and when I copy the address I get "this webpage is not available"
Huh, that's strange. It seems to be fine on my end. But I'll ask the mods to check it out.
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Would something like this work for the Guard? Is that within 40k's Imperial style? It might add a bit of variety to the otherwise plain uniforms.
Strange I can see the photo fine today. As for your question I don't really know enough about AM fluff to comment. Saying that I think that whatever works for you when painting your army is fine. It's funny though that the picture you have posted looks very bland. Don't know if it is the colour scheme or the way they have staged the photo but the whole thing still comes across as a bit plain
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The clone troopers have always looked pretty plain. ;)
It was probably a bad example to use to be honest. My idea was that their armor would be a black/dark grey (to match our LGS's board), but it be detailed in line art like the way the Clone Troopers are. I would guess it would probably be white, or possibly blue or something. I wish I could describe it better. :P
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As long as you don't add too many stripes, I think it would work. Keep in mind though that your models are relatively small, so one or two stripes per model is likely more than enough.
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Hi guys! Massive apologies for the lack of activity here. I'm coming back with a vengeance though let me tell you! The Guard I'm working on are on the way but to bid you all over in the meantime I'll show you my efforts with my AoS Bloodbound army.
Now, I wanted to have the complete models to show you. But it wouldn't be like me to not have an issue to overcome. I left the bases for 99% of the models with my friend who I went halvers with on the starter kit (he's got the stormcast). And I've yet to retrieve them because he's since moved and I've yet to see his new apartment. So, the army isn't exactly show worthy at the moment:
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Who else but Calamity? :P
But there is the Khorgorath at least:
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Since I'm expanding beyond the Astra Militarum I think I'll need to rename this Blog.
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Thats awesome Tangi. Once I get my Necrons and Dark Angels to a respectable level I'm totally gonna dive into AoS. I love the minis and the fluff really appeals to me much more than classic fantasy. Not to mention the minis are incredible! The Chaos factions are phenomenal looking... so well chosen on your part.
Whats shaking with the Guard? Interested to see what direction you are gonna take them
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Thats awesome Tangi. Once I get my Necrons and Dark Angels to a respectable level I'm totally gonna dive into AoS. I love the minis and the fluff really appeals to me much more than classic fantasy. Not to mention the minis are incredible! The Chaos factions are phenomenal looking... so well chosen on your part.
Whats shaking with the Guard? Interested to see what direction you are gonna take them
I would strongly recommend it! It's a good game to play, especially now that they've got a points system on the way.
Today I played my first game of AoS, and was soundly defeated. But I learnt a lot; how to play, what my units are capabile of etc. Also, my friend got a second starter set for a very low price and so he gave me the Khorne models for free! Just like that my army has doubled in size!
As for the guard, they are coming. I'm still deciding how to go about with the standard infantry but in truth, I want to go Armoured. The guard should be tanks first infantry second, like real life ww2 era armies. So I will be looking to build an emperors fist armoured company.
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Nice... it seems there are some nice perks coming down the pipe with Power of the Machine Spirit from the Space Marine FAQ... Engine-Seers can bless tanks with PotMS allowing them to shoot Ordnance even after moving 12" or remove snap shot from a single weapon after firing Ordnance ! Also if you have 4 Servitors you automatically restore HP's which is very nice for tanks and Knights. Pretty sweet stuff.