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First try at SOB, 1500Pts
« on: June 20, 2006, 02:40:29 PM »
Hey guys,

i went ahead and finally bought a WH codex from GW yesterday, and i started coming up with possible army lists. My thoughts when creating the list where Rapid Fire!

HQ 75Pts
Canoness
Eviscerator, Purity Seals

Troops

10X SOB 136Pts
VSS
Heavy Flamer


10X SOB 136Pts
VSS
Heavy Flamer


20X SOB 274Pts
VSS - Book of St Lucious
2X Meltas, Purity Seals


20X SOB 274Pts
VSS - Book of St Lucious
2X Meltas


Fast Attack

8X Seraphim 221Pts
VSS Melta Bombs 2x Inferno Pistols

9x Dominions 233Pts
4xMeltas VSS Book of St Lucious
Rhino, Extra armour, smokes.

Heavy Support

Exorcist 150Pts
Pintle Storm Bolter
Extra Armour


1499Pts
8 faith Points


Possible Changes, reckon that swapping the special weapons of the 2 large squads with the two small squads would work. Not too sure what the hell to do with the Canoness, want to use her to support the main battle line, Chances are she'll only be able to kill a little before shes marty'd anyway. Might change out the dominion squads special weaps for flamers love the idea of divine guidance with this squad  ;D

CC would be appreciated.


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Re: First try at SOB, 1500Pts
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2006, 08:33:40 AM »
HQ 75Pts
Canoness
Eviscerator, Purity Seals

I'm not sure why the purity seals are there, but consider a book of st. lucius and master crafing the Eviscerator at the least.  This will give you a good T4 character killer, though keep in mind, she won't chew through infantry overly fast.

Other good upgrades are a Cloak of St. Aspira for 2+ INV and a jump pack for added mobility.  Some also like to use an inferno or plasma pistol so her great BS doesn't go to waste, but either option is a good deal of points.

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Troops

10X SOB 136Pts
VSS
Heavy Flamer


10X SOB 136Pts
VSS
Heavy Flamer

For just a few extra points, you can add in a flamer, which gives you even more power come divine guidance time.  And of course, books of St. Lucius all around.

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20X SOB 274Pts
VSS - Book of St Lucious
2X Meltas, Purity Seals


20X SOB 274Pts
VSS - Book of St Lucious
2X Meltas

Again, I'm not sure about the purity seals.  Also, for such large squads, it may be a waste to ever fire the meltaguns on an armored target and waste 18 bolters.

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Fast Attack

8X Seraphim 221Pts
VSS Melta Bombs 2x Inferno Pistols

Purity seals on the vet will help with hit and run rolls.  And a book of st lucius to help with the ld checks.

Strongly consider flamers instead of inferno pistols.  Seraphim have the ability to use flamers over and over again in a battle to great effect.

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9x Dominions 233Pts
4xMeltas VSS Book of St Lucious
Rhino, Extra armour, smokes.

I'd seriously consider dropping this for another seraphim squad or exorcist.  It may work, but experienced players will know to go after the Dominions early and often.

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Heavy Support

Exorcist 150Pts
Pintle Storm Bolter
Extra Armour

The storm bolter is the price of another sister.  That's reason enough to drop it.

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1499Pts
8 faith Points


Possible Changes, reckon that swapping the special weapons of the 2 large squads with the two small squads would work. Not too sure what the hell to do with the Canoness, want to use her to support the main battle line, Chances are she'll only be able to kill a little before shes marty'd anyway. Might change out the dominion squads special weaps for flamers love the idea of divine guidance with this squad  ;D

CC would be appreciated.

The Canoness should be used to go after characters as she doesn't have the power to go after entire squads.  With a 2+ INV save and possible S8, she'll scare marine HQs, or chop them down.

Books of St. Lucius everywhere, they're a huge help.

Consider eviscerators in the squads.  Helps vrs armor and can also go S8 to kill T4 characters.

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Re: First try at SOB, 1500Pts
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2006, 08:52:31 AM »
Other good upgrades are a Cloak of St. Aspira for 2+ INV

the cloak is a 2+ armour save, not invulnerable.

The storm bolter is the price of another sister.  That's reason enough to drop it.

id take the storm bolter just to keep the exorcist on the table if the missile launcher gets taken out. exorcists draw loads of fire and to loose its only weapon means it has to be taken off the table. with the storm bolter it can at least hastle some troops and act as moving cover for that valuable dominion squad.
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Re: First try at SOB, 1500Pts
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2006, 09:36:57 AM »
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the cloak is a 2+ armour save, not invulnerable.

Correct.  I forgot to say 2+ INV when using faith.

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id take the storm bolter just to keep the exorcist on the table if the missile launcher gets taken out. exorcists draw loads of fire and to loose its only weapon means it has to be taken off the table. with the storm bolter it can at least hastle some troops and act as moving cover for that valuable dominion squad.

Why is the exorcist being taken off the table when it's weapon(s) are destroyed?  It can still act as moving terrain and tank shock at the least, with or without a storm bolter.

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Re: First try at SOB, 1500Pts
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2006, 09:45:56 AM »
ive always used that, as i thought that if a non transport/walker lost all of its weapons then it becomes useless. i read it in a witch hunter tactica from the GW website and thought it was a great idea. ill try to find it.
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Re: First try at SOB, 1500Pts
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2006, 11:35:16 AM »
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id take the storm bolter just to keep the exorcist on the table if the missile launcher gets taken out. exorcists draw loads of fire and to loose its only weapon means it has to be taken off the table. with the storm bolter it can at least hastle some troops and act as moving cover for that valuable dominion squad.
The exo is still scoring and can grab objectives without the SB. You would be suprised at the number of times I have lost my launcher and sat there the whole game and then raced up on the last two turns to capture an objective. Gunless, they don't consider the Exo a threat and ignore it.

I would only take them if you got to pick the weapon that was destroyed. Two more bolter shots isn't that great.

To stay on topic, check out http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=116700.0  a few posts down from this one. Good discussion about unit types/mix there.
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Re: First try at SOB, 1500Pts
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2006, 12:29:09 PM »
I'm not sure why the purity seals are there, but consider a book of st. lucius and master crafing the Eviscerator at the least.  This will give you a good T4 character killer, though keep in mind, she won't chew through infantry overly fast.

Other good upgrades are a Cloak of St. Aspira for 2+ INV and a jump pack for added mobility.  Some also like to use an inferno or plasma pistol so her great BS doesn't go to waste, but either option is a good deal of points.


I forgot to add that she would be riding wqith the dominions, so the book in that squad will cover that, and to be honest i think its a waste of points to mastercraft. could get another heavy flamer for that cost. Definatley don't want to attrach her to the seraphim as they will lose their hit and run attack. Any ideas for an alternative  use with her, as i don't want to lose the 2 faith points but she seems to be fairly rubbish altogethor. Even tooled up to the max, she won't be much against a specialised CC fighter. Also when an IC has purity seals she passess the benefits onto the squad.

I think that i will swap the heavy flamers in the small squads with the meltas in the large squads, and see if i can find the points to add a second flamer to each squad.

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Purity seals on the vet will help with hit and run rolls.  And a book of st lucius to help with the ld checks.

Strongly consider flamers instead of inferno pistols.  Seraphim have the ability to use flamers over and over again in a battle to great effect.

True the flamers would help but i do like to have tank hunting abilities in a fast squad that way i can react to aggressive assaults from armour. Also hope that i would have enough low strength and AP weaponry as it is. Definately won't give them a book of saint lucious, Angelic visage would be wasted.


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The Canoness should be used to go after characters as she doesn't have the power to go after entire squads.  With a 2+ INV save and possible S8, she'll scare marine HQs, or chop them down.

Consider eviscerators in the squads.  Helps vrs armor and can also go S8 to kill T4 characters.

Eviscerators double strength, they don't automatically make you strength 8.

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Re: First try at SOB, 1500Pts
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2006, 01:06:22 PM »
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I forgot to add that she would be riding wqith the dominions, so the book in that squad will cover that, and to be honest i think its a waste of points to mastercraft. could get another heavy flamer for that cost. Definatley don't want to attrach her to the seraphim as they will lose their hit and run attack. Any ideas for an alternative  use with her, as i don't want to lose the 2 faith points but she seems to be fairly rubbish altogethor. Even tooled up to the max, she won't be much against a specialised CC fighter. Also when an IC has purity seals she passess the benefits onto the squad.

You don't have to attach her to the seraphim. Most people run her near the seraphim. I haven't found the purity seal to worth a whole lot in 4th ed. If she has a jump pack she would fall back the 3d6 anyway. With the books, I can determine if I want to fall back or not.

A Canoness isn't really an offensive weapon in CC. But she is the best defensive unit in the game. You can tie up expensive HQ units for the whole game as she can roll SoM on leadership and get the 2++ save. Coupled with the book, she doesn't have to fall back unless you roll a 11 or a 12. 

You really should play with her and see how good she can be. With BS 5 and a jump pack and IP combo, she tears up enemy armor. Lets see, I hit with the inferno on 2's and I roll 2d6 armor pen on a str 8 weapon? It takes down everything up to a lith (with their dumb living metal). I have jumped her over a squad making their IC the closest unit and insta killed it with an IP.

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True the flamers would help but i do like to have tank hunting abilities in a fast squad that way i can react to aggressive assaults from armour. Also hope that i would have enough low strength and AP weaponry as it is. Definately won't give them a book of saint lucious, Angelic visage would be wasted.
I agree with using an IP on a sera squad. I generally take a vss with power weapon/brazier, hand flamer and TLIP. I have two flame templates (yes one is a one time use) and have the flexibility to be either AT or anti-infantry.

Angelic visage is a waste. A nearby squad with a VSS and a book will already have leadership 9 unmodified. So you have angelic visage, you are outnumbered, lose combat, its a chaos unit with the negative modifier... do you want to take a 6 or 7 leadership check or take a 9 that the book gives you? If you take a VSS with a book, every sister squad will have a 9 minimum unmodified ldrshp for pinning and morale checks. And you don't have to apply the book effect if you don't want to. The verbage says "may".
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Eviscerators double strength, they don't automatically make you strength 8.
No but if you use the str AoF she will be 8 and will instakill t4.

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Re: First try at SOB, 1500Pts
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2006, 02:19:07 PM »

I forgot to add that she would be riding wqith the dominions, so the book in that squad will cover that, and to be honest i think its a waste of points to mastercraft. could get another heavy flamer for that cost. Definatley don't want to attrach her to the seraphim as they will lose their hit and run attack. Any ideas for an alternative  use with her, as i don't want to lose the 2 faith points but she seems to be fairly rubbish altogethor. Even tooled up to the max, she won't be much against a specialised CC fighter. Also when an IC has purity seals she passess the benefits onto the squad.

Why not give the Dominon's book to her then?  She does have a better LD.  I really wouldn't attach her there though.

A Canoness is far from rubbish.  She is one of the better character killers in the game.  The only thing that scares her are S6 or better, otherwise she can have a 2+ INV save and swing away.

The master crafting of the Eviscerator is because she has a poor WS and # of attacks for a character, so will need a bit of help killing them.  It's very worth it though.

Mine has chewed through Chaos Lts, Marine commanders, librarians, chaplins, emperor's champs by the dozen.  Oftentime without taking a scratch.  Really takes the wind out of some peoples sails to see their tooled up CC monster go down to a "mere" Canoness.

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Purity seals on the vet will help with hit and run rolls.  And a book of st lucius to help with the ld checks.

Strongly consider flamers instead of inferno pistols.  Seraphim have the ability to use flamers over and over again in a battle to great effect.

True the flamers would help but i do like to have tank hunting abilities in a fast squad that way i can react to aggressive assaults from armour. Also hope that i would have enough low strength and AP weaponry as it is. Definately won't give them a book of saint lucious, Angelic visage would be wasted.

Seraphim cannot use their own Angelic visage to begin with.  Regardless, the book says "may", so it's optional in use.

Seraphim with flamers + divine guidance will scare most anything.

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The Canoness should be used to go after characters as she doesn't have the power to go after entire squads.  With a 2+ INV save and possible S8, she'll scare marine HQs, or chop them down.

Consider eviscerators in the squads.  Helps vrs armor and can also go S8 to kill T4 characters.

Eviscerators double strength, they don't automatically make you strength 8.

Read the act of faith: Hand of the Emperor.  Basic sisters can even wound Wraithlords with it or punch through a rhino.  A very useful skill.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2006, 02:21:12 PM by trf2374 »

 


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