Topic: Adapting - 1850 List with 2 options.

[Halollet]

After my first game ( I really need to play more Warhammer.... anyways) I've learned quite a bit so here's my new adaptation to this new codex.

So here's what I'm taking for sure

Fyrant - Wings, Toxin Sacs, Bonesword, Whip
Tyrant - Heavy Venom Cannon, TL Devourers
Tyrant Guard x2

Genestealer Brood x7 + broodlord
Termagaunts x18 - Devourer x5
Warriors x3 - Deathspitter, Venom Cannon (Mans quadgun and holds home objective
Warriors x3 - Devourers

Venomthrope x1

Carnifex Brood x2 - Spinebanks, Bio-plasma, Adernal Glands

Aegis Line with Quadgun

Option 1

Hormagaunts x16
Carnifex - Heavy Venom Cannon, Bio Plasma
Exocrine

Option 2

Haruspex - Regeneration
Mawloc
Biovore x2



The whole idea with nids is to move up as much as posible, with things like warriors, biovores, exocrines, etc, they will hold the mid table.
Problem with option 2 is that I don't own a mawloc or any biovores.

Thoughts?

[BoyWonder]

why put bio-plasma on a heavy venom cannon carnifex seems like a waste to me.

[Halollet]

why put bio-plasma on a heavy venom cannon carnifex seems like a waste to me.

Higher Str mostly. The low AP is nice since I hate deep striking terminators.  It is a really high toss up between bio-plasma and TL devourers though.  I'm wondering what's better at busting AV12?  GreatBigTree came at me with a mech army and it was way too difficult to pop those chimeras which exposed a weakness in my army that I'm trying to fix. 

How do you calculate the % to hit with blast on a tank?

Bioplasma, 1 Str 7 hit against AV 12, 0.17 pen then 0.33 blow up, 0.17 chance to glance, 0.33 hull points gone
TL Devourers, 6 shots, 4.5 hit, 0.75 glances

I think the Devourers might be the way to go now that I look at it, and just rely on the Exocrine to wipe any terminators off of the table.

[Spectral Arbor]

In regards to odds to hit a tank...

33.3% Hit.

Then with a small blast, you have a "small" radius, plus the "radius" of your target, so let's say 3.0" altogether, on the narrow side of a Chimera / Rhino. Technically, you might do a little better, as certain placements can allow a larger scatter to still hit, as small portion of the time. So you then have a 66.7% x distance less BS on 2d6.

Assuming you have a BS 3 Model, a distance of "6" or less should generate a hit. [Large blast would be a 7 ]

Soooo....

0.333 + [0.667 x 15/36] = 61.1% chance to hit, with a small blast.

[Halollet]

In regards to odds to hit a tank...

33.3% Hit.

Then with a small blast, you have a "small" radius, plus the "radius" of your target, so let's say 3.0" altogether, on the narrow side of a Chimera / Rhino. Technically, you might do a little better, as certain placements can allow a larger scatter to still hit, as small portion of the time. So you then have a 66.7% x distance less BS on 2d6.

Assuming you have a BS 3 Model, a distance of "6" or less should generate a hit. [Large blast would be a 7 ]

Soooo....

0.333 + [0.667 x 15/36] = 61.1% chance to hit, with a small blast.

Thanks!

Str 9 vs 12 has a 2/3 chance to strip a hull point so that's 40.73 hull points stripped.  Huh. Interesting. That's terrible compared to the devourers, but there's no chance for a pen and no chance to damage AV 13+

Hm. I can see why people run the duel devourers. 

Man, now I want to run 2 sets of 2 carnifexes. One brood full assault, and the other full devourers.

Bioplasma still isn't bad though, even just playing head games.  But if I run that, I'm trying to think if there's anything useful I can do with the extra pair of arms. Deathspitter is cheap and has a good range.... huh. Hmm.... yeah, duel devourers. I see why people run them.

But against AV 13+... the only thing you can do it hope to assault them.  Hmm. I'm arguing with myself at this point.

..... Now I want a tyranofex with a rupture cannon.  I'm so sad that I'm poor....

---------Edit------------

Here's a list that I'm pretty happy with with my current collection.  I'm just wondering where to go from here.  I think its still weak at long range tank hunting. But maybe that's something that Nids can't do?

-HQ-
Fyrant - Wings, Toxin Sacs, Bonesword, Whip (Hold in reserve and then comes in and assaults)
Tyrant - Heavy Venom Cannon, TL Devourers (Warlord. Tanks the middle and sits behind Aegis next to venomthrope for a 2+ cover save!)
Tyrant Guard x2

-Troop-
Genestealer Brood x5 + broodlord (infiltrates and horrors people and then joins an assault)
Termagants x15 - Devourer x5 (Screens for tyrant and hangs out midfield)
Hormagaunts x17 (Runs up with CC Fexes)
Warriors x3 - Deathspitters x2, Venom Cannon (Mans quadgun and holds home objective)
Warriors x3 - Devourers x2, Barbed Strangler (Filler synapse and skulks around and grabs other objectives)

-Elite-
Venomthrope x1 (Hides behind tyrant and does his thing)

-Fast Attack-
Sporeminds x6 (Deep strikes and makes the opponent go "oh crap")

-Heavy Support
Carnifex - 2 TL Devourers
Carnifex Brood x2 - Spinebanks, Bio-plasma, Adernal Glands
Exocrine

-Fortification-
Aegis Line with Quadgun

1850 points
59 Models
95 Wounds

That's a lot of wounds....