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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2009, 11:51:01 AM »
The more I read about it the less I like it, and the less I will pay it any mind; the ork spores.

I must say that I prefer the spore thing a lot more to the other old stuff and much liked the change. Orks having sexual reproduction just seems silly and given the serious degrees of fixation all orks suffer from impractical. I also like the fact that it makes them far more alien and not just a bipedal space race divided into two sexes.

Funny things like young orks wanting to rebel by being good natured can still apply but it seems much more proper that an Ork doesn't have a mother or a father, such things may be fun but it screws up the feeling of the background to be worthwhile. In WHFB on the other hand the Orcs and Goblins are just filled to the brim with silliness that such problems doesn't arise but in WH40k Orks are supposed to be a dangerous pan-galactic threat that isn't the least bit funny but simply deadly.

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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2009, 02:05:34 PM »
The more I read about it the less I like it, and the less I will pay it any mind; the ork spores.

I liked the RT-fluff about the female orks, I like the thought of ork babies glowign eachother up, and I like the idea of ork adolesence, growing rebellious and therefore iron their clothes, walk in ranks, and have spotlessly shining boots and beltbuckles.
Orks should have fathers. It would make them a LOT more interesting. Viking-like honour-coded families would add so much to their fluff.


Wasn't the Stormboyz Corps an expression of rebellion among the orks?

That "Ere We Go" book added alot of flavour.

Ork spores always reminded me of the "Gremlins" movie, where the little good guy spawns loads of bad little quys.

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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2009, 04:39:08 PM »
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...but it seems much more proper that an Ork doesn't have a mother or a father, such things may be fun but it screws up the feeling of the background to be worthwhile.

Of course if Orks reproduce asexually by spores it means that the they wouldn't really be a threat because you could exterminate nearly the entire species with a decent biological weapon targeting their genetics.  :P
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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #63 on: February 20, 2009, 07:50:01 PM »
Ork physiology and genetics/ DNA is so robust and hardy that it would still be a difficult task designing said weapon.

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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #64 on: February 20, 2009, 08:18:35 PM »
Difficult does not mean impossible and both the Eldar and Imperium have had the time to at least attempt to do so.
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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2009, 08:23:14 PM »
Oh yeah, I know it isn't impossible, but seeing as they haven't made any success yet it's unlikely they are able to at this time. And the Eldar have had the longest time of any race to develop an anti-Ork weapon.

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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #66 on: February 20, 2009, 08:34:16 PM »
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Ork physiology and genetics/ DNA is so robust and hardy that it would still be a difficult task designing said weapon.

No harder than for any other species (i don't see why their genetics would be more robust, they are made up of the same elements and bonds as us), find a disease that greatly effects them and you are well on your way.  Then, given their lack of genetic variation, you can basically wipe out every Ork in existence from space.

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Oh yeah, I know it isn't impossible, but seeing as they haven't made any success yet it's unlikely they are able to at this time. And the Eldar have had the longest time of any race to develop an anti-Ork weapon.

How often are biological weapons such as this used at all?  It's not the Orkish resilience that is the problem, it's that combat in 40k must remain at a very low level of complexity to accommodate the sort of battles the game represents.  My original comment was a bit of a tongue in cheek remark about how technology in 40k is quite laughably basic.  ;)
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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #67 on: February 20, 2009, 08:39:32 PM »
There were the acidic rounds developed in the Tyrannic Wars to counteract Tyranid physiology, so there's an example. As far as I can recall there hasn't been anything similar for Orks. They have been designed to be the ultimate survivors, so I gues bio-weapons would be hard to use on them.

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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #68 on: February 20, 2009, 09:34:52 PM »
Not at all. What you're confusing is that 40K often deals only with tactical issues and ignores strategic ones entirely. There's little to any scale up for successful ideas.

Orks are hardly the ultimate survivors and in a consistant background would be more a nuisance than OMG the universe is ending. Orks are not the Borg and thus what works on one group will work on another more likely than not. They don't adapt across an entire galaxy all at once after all. Tyranids I'd give a larger scale ability to swallow the learning curve but not Orks.
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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2009, 04:57:58 PM »
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There were the acidic rounds developed in the Tyrannic Wars to counteract Tyranid physiology, so there's an example.

I wouldn't call acidic round a biological weapon.  The only example i can think of off the top of my head are the virus bombs sometimes used by the Imperium but that's a blanket weapon rather than a specialised one that imo would be used in reality.
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Re: (40k) Willful Ignorance
« Reply #70 on: March 2, 2009, 07:41:56 PM »
Oh yeah, I know it isn't impossible, but seeing as they haven't made any success yet it's unlikely they are able to at this time. And the Eldar have had the longest time of any race to develop an anti-Ork weapon.
Remember, though, Orks may be so resistant to damage and power-of-the-waaagh!-prone that by their collective ignorance of biological weapons as such, they are immune to Ork-specific grey goo or whatever.
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