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Title: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Lord of Winter and War on April 1, 2022, 06:34:38 AM
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/01/breaking-news-you-wont-believe-whats-coming-to-warhammer-40000/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gw_1st_april_votann_eng_&utm_content=&utm_term= (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/01/breaking-news-you-wont-believe-whats-coming-to-warhammer-40000/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gw_1st_april_votann_eng_&utm_content=&utm_term=)

New reveal video from Games Workshop.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Wyddr on April 1, 2022, 08:48:49 AM
On the one hand, it's April 1st, so I don't quite buy it.

On the other hand, they've put every other damned faction in the game, no matter how obscure, so it wouldn't surprise me. Expect Exodites next.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Looshkin on April 1, 2022, 04:16:19 PM
I've seen some rumours of Squats doing the rounds for a few weeks now, so I don't think it's an April Fool's joke; especially given the production quality of it.

I for one am fully on board the train if they are rejuvenating Squats. They were my very first army and I really hope they come back as I will be getting an army.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Grizzlykin on April 2, 2022, 12:51:00 AM
Not gonna lie, first time I hear of them. So I though that an April's fools joke. We will see
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Wyddr on April 2, 2022, 11:44:17 AM
Well, they revealed their first model (and it's pretty sweet, if I do say so myself). Looking foward to seeing the full range!

Also, League of Votann is waaaay better than "Squats."
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Lord of Winter and War on April 2, 2022, 12:09:05 PM
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/02/what-april-fools-the-41st-millenniums-next-faction-is-real-heres-a-model-to-prove-it/ (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/02/what-april-fools-the-41st-millenniums-next-faction-is-real-heres-a-model-to-prove-it/)


I'm pleasantly surprised it's real. Looks like a cool dude, interested to see what the whole line will be. Been a long time since we've had a new faction in 40k.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Looshkin on April 2, 2022, 05:35:29 PM
Well, they revealed their first model (and it's pretty sweet, if I do say so myself). Looking foward to seeing the full range!

Also, League of Votann is waaaay better than "Squats."

It may be a better name, but I'll be pretty surprised if Squats isn't used a lot more.

I'm excited by this. I didn't want to believe that they were coming back because I didn't want to be disappointed. It's good that they confirmed it so quickly. The mini itself doesn't give much away, but it's a nice sculpt with some solid details on it. We've definitely moved away from the 'short person in the Imperial Guard' aesthetic that they used to rock (except for the guild bikers and Exo-armoured dudes, at any rate.

Looking forward to more reveals in the coming months.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: The GrimSqueaker on April 2, 2022, 05:59:59 PM
We haven't given up (Dark)Elder or Imperial Guard, we're not giving up Squats as a name. Don't get me started on t'au either.

Good to see them back. I miss the old hairy bastards on trikes and the young hairy bastards in their life jackets. The new model looks a bit Krogan like but meh, I can live with it.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Grand Master Lomandalis on April 2, 2022, 11:05:26 PM
We haven't given up (Dark)Elder or Imperial Guard, we're not giving up Squats as a name. Don't get me started on t'au either.
I think the difference there is that the name change for Eldar and Imperial Guard came while they were established.  Most people are unfamiliar with Squats beyond the meme that the hive fleets nommed them into extinction.  I think that Squat is still going to be a common term for them, but we may see them referred to a lot as "Kin".
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Calamity on April 3, 2022, 06:53:05 AM
I was thinking that if that was just an April Fools joke, it was both a very elaborate one and a particularly cruel one too.  But it’s not a joke.  ;D

Love the mini and the new name.  I haven’t rated GW names of late but this one is just right.  Eagerly awaiting more info too.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Lachdonin on April 3, 2022, 10:48:02 AM
I was thinking that if that was just an April Fools joke, it was both a very elaborate one and a particularly cruel one too.  But it’s not a joke.  ;D

Oh, it was definitely intentional there.

Personally, i love the updated look. They aren't just Fantasy Dwarves with Imperial weapons anymore, they have a clearly defined aesthetic that stands out as their own, but is also very much has a line of descent from other 'Human' technologies.

We'll have to wait to see the rest of the line up, but i'm already thinking about a Deep Rock Galactic inspired Kill Team...
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Calamity on April 3, 2022, 05:39:58 PM
Oh, it was definitely intentional there.

Personally, i love the updated look. They aren't just Fantasy Dwarves with Imperial weapons anymore, they have a clearly defined aesthetic that stands out as their own, but is also very much has a line of descent from other 'Human' technologies.

We'll have to wait to see the rest of the line up, but i'm already thinking about a Deep Rock Galactic inspired Kill Team...

I just remembered who they reminded me of; the robot from the Blackstone Fortress set.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Sir_Godspeed on April 4, 2022, 08:59:20 AM
I'm hyped! I mean, why not, lol. Part of me wishes they had been made just a smidgeon less human though. In the promo blurb they keep referring to them as "humanity's cousins", but these dudes are less removed from baseline humans than ogryn or ratlings or whatever that making that a big deal seems a bit odd. I mean, I get it's about setting up an independent identity, and people want them to be their own thing and space dwarfs, but visually they're just another abhuman strain. It's their CIVILIZATION that sets them apart.

Anyhoo, I saw someone mention that their aesthetic seems to have shifted from "80s biker gang" to "Vikings the TV show" which made me chuckle. I wonder how much design-overlap there will be with the Space Wolves, I hope they don't get the wires crossed too much, I prefer different factions to have clearly distinct visual elements.

As for the armor, I love the look. It's surprisingly sleek (or curvy, rather). It makes me think of a pseudo-50s atompunk vibe. And more specifically it reminds me of the AT-43 Karmans:

Images removed to avoid hotlinking - Iris.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Lachdonin on April 4, 2022, 04:22:05 PM
but visually they're just another abhuman strain.

That is how they've been described since they've crept back into the lore.

Still, i think if you were to put one beside a standard Guardsman, they'd look just as different as a Ratling or Ogryn. It'll be easier to see the 'distinctiveness' when you can see them side by side, i suspect.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Sir_Godspeed on April 4, 2022, 04:51:48 PM
but visually they're just another abhuman strain.

That is how they've been described since they've crept back into the lore.

That's how they've ALWAYS been described. The focus on selling them as "Humanity's cousins" just doesn't vibe with me. Being an abhuman strain isn't what makes them unique, imho.

This is a minor semantic quibble in the marketing, so I won't make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: The GrimSqueaker on April 4, 2022, 10:43:59 PM
Okay, not a great fan of the new(er) model images. Too Ogre/War Boys in look for me.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Calamity on April 28, 2022, 09:09:46 PM
What do you all think of their new background?  Effectively worshipping a bunch of super computers who badly need a software update?

Makes me wonder what else is coming to be shown…robots.  I bet they have robots.  Proper robots.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Sir_Godspeed on May 1, 2022, 09:02:30 AM
Ok, wow, I had no idea this had been released!

I think it's a neat idea. I'm wondering if this is basically the replacer for Living Ancestors, lorewise, but that will remain to be seen.

It does feel pretty "Dwarfish" though, which I think is a positive. Secretive tech, ancestor "worship", etc.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Kage2020 on May 1, 2022, 09:54:07 PM
Personally, i love the updated look.
They have been Tau-ified, for sure.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Lord of Winter and War on May 4, 2022, 08:18:05 PM
Hernkyn Pioneer

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/revealed-the-leagues-of-votann-get-on-their-trikes/ (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/04/revealed-the-leagues-of-votann-get-on-their-trikes/)


Love this model.

Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Calamity on May 4, 2022, 08:21:14 PM
I want these more than I want my next breath.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Sir_Godspeed on May 5, 2022, 06:50:30 PM
Does anyone know what it's place is in the force organization chart? Is it Fast Attack or something else? It seems like A LOT of surfaces and detail to paint if this is like a squad of five and kind of a throaway unit or something.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Lord of Winter and War on May 5, 2022, 08:21:24 PM
Does anyone know what it's place is in the force organization chart? Is it Fast Attack or something else? It seems like A LOT of surfaces and detail to paint if this is like a squad of five and kind of a throaway unit or something.

No Idea. I assume it's a fast attack, due to being a bike.  It's pretty big, I imagine it'll be like a Primaris ATV, or Ork buggie. A vehicle, which can be taken as single, or a squad of 3.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Wyddr on May 6, 2022, 08:51:37 AM
That guy has a LOT of boxes and gear on that bike. Hopefully some of it is useful in some way and it isn't just, like, his spare dwarf undies or whatever. A model that nice with just what looks like a heavy stubber is maybe a bit underwhelming on the tabletop. But who knows?
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Lord of Winter and War on May 6, 2022, 10:23:00 AM
That guy has a LOT of boxes and gear on that bike. Hopefully some of it is useful in some way and it isn't just, like, his spare dwarf undies or whatever. A model that nice with just what looks like a heavy stubber is maybe a bit underwhelming on the tabletop. But who knows?

On the stream, they called the gun on the bike a cannon of some kind (forget if it was Ion Cannn, Autocannon, Pulse Cannon), so will probably have some kick, and she is also armed with some kind of Boltgun in her hand as well.

But yeah, entirely speculation on what the rules will look like.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Lord of Winter and War on August 31, 2022, 03:52:48 PM
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/31/new-leagues-of-votann-rules-debut-in-todays-must-see-battle-report/ (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/31/new-leagues-of-votann-rules-debut-in-todays-must-see-battle-report/)

Games Workshop has a battle report with the Leauges of Votaan up on their Warhammer TV app, but (at the link I shared above), they made an article on their community page showcasing some of the rules (first look at that).

Gotta say, I really like the Eye of the Ancestors ability they have as their faction rule. Putting grudge tokens when they do things which make the space dwarves angry is just a great way to represent them as Dwarves-in-Space and their grudges.

The models and faction seem to have deviated a lot from the Squats of the past, but the models do look really cool (besides the Cython Berserks, they just don't seem to do it for me), looking forward to seeing them in person.

I won't be collecting them myself, as I've reached my quota of 3 armies, but maybe I'll sell one to collect these guys.

What do you folks think of the Leauges reveals so far?
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Sir_Godspeed on September 1, 2022, 03:52:12 PM
I think they're neat! The Grimnyr is the one that stood the most out to me as kinda ill-fitting, but after seeing a 3D rotation of it, it grew on me.

I'm kinda digging the lore too. They have a more conventional scifi background, but in a way I feel fits to 40k. Sort of a last holdout of the "Dark Age of Technology".

If the rest of 40k is Dune, then the Votann are kinda Foundation - if that makes ANY kind of sense.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: The GrimSqueaker on September 1, 2022, 11:41:20 PM
If the rest of 40k is Dune, then the Votann are kinda Foundation - if that makes ANY kind of sense.

Don't cross the streams.  ;)

I'm not a huge fan of the models but am interesting in the story so will get the book when around it.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Calamity on September 2, 2022, 11:03:31 AM
These new squats, I’m literally putting money aside for them.  Can’t wait!  ;D
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Lord of Winter and War on September 2, 2022, 11:22:15 AM
I'm also interested to see how they expand in future releases. I think at least one guy in my club will collect them, so I look forward to seeing the models.

Might get a grimnyr, just to paint, that's my favourite model they showcased. It does feel odd seeing magic dwarves, but it's good to separate them from fantasy.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Wyddr on September 2, 2022, 05:20:52 PM
I think they look great - distinct, but also fitting into the setting very well. Love them!
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Calamity on September 3, 2022, 08:11:50 AM
They’re basically a glimpse into humanity during the dark age of technology, something I’ve always been fascinated by.
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Blazinghand on September 7, 2022, 12:59:38 AM
I like the grudge theming in the rules! I'm still not into the bike models but the infantry look good to me. All I need are some beard extensions and I'd be ready to go...
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Wyddr on September 12, 2022, 09:32:24 AM
I saw the new weapon rules and...ughhh.

1) There is just no reason for HunTR rules to exist. None. I know they're simple, but it's just ANOTHER thing to explain.
 
2) Great, more things that ignore invul saves. Just what we needed.  ::)

3) Beam weapons sound fun, but are too powerful, also. Cover? Pointless again.

I keep to my steady refrain: shooting too powerful, cover too weak. 
Title: Re: Back after a 'Short' Absence
Post by: Grand Master Lomandalis on September 12, 2022, 02:18:49 PM
The HunTR took me a little while to fully understand.  It's assault that can't advance and shoot.  Honestly, I'm fine with it.  The big gun ignoring invulnerable saves... again, not as big of a concern as I think people are making it out to be.