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Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« on: October 3, 2007, 06:42:30 PM »
This is the first figure in my new Tau army.  I'm really excited about this as it's the first new army I've started in many years.

As I've never based an army up with urban bases I decided this would be the one. I think one problem with Tau armies is they often tend to be too garish so the drab grey works well for me, with just the merest hints of colour to set things off.

Plus I finally found a use for Blazing Orange that has been sitting in my box for years  :)



« Last Edit: February 6, 2008, 01:18:46 PM by Fold »

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Re: Prototype Tau Firewarrior
« Reply #1 on: October 3, 2007, 07:08:13 PM »
well, just one thing to be said really........Nice Work... ;D



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Re: Prototype Tau Firewarrior
« Reply #2 on: October 3, 2007, 10:34:55 PM »
really nice looking!
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Re: Prototype Tau Firewarrior
« Reply #3 on: October 4, 2007, 02:04:31 AM »
the paintjob looks very nice and the color scheme really works, good job!

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Re: Prototype Tau Firewarrior
« Reply #4 on: October 4, 2007, 09:13:05 AM »
 Actually the paintjob is awesome... it is smooth and even if it is too grey it is not burdening! I like it a lot... I don't know how it will work on the Stealth Suits as it doesn't has trousers...
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Re: Prototype Tau Firewarrior
« Reply #5 on: October 4, 2007, 10:38:23 AM »
yes, very nice. I like how, though the shin guard is made of the same material as everything else, you painted it different. I've had a personal, fluff, logistics problem with that in my army (as in, which government in their right mind would take the time to make some parts of a suit of armor different colors for massed infantry...), but, as in your case, I think that the desired visual effect is worth having to work out better fluff ;)

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Re: Prototype Tau Firewarrior
« Reply #6 on: October 4, 2007, 11:04:23 AM »
Looks good!
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Re: Prototype Tau Firewarrior
« Reply #7 on: October 5, 2007, 11:49:59 AM »
awsome paint job! Maybe ill use this paint scheme on my urban scout snipers.
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Re: Prototype Tau Firewarrior
« Reply #8 on: October 5, 2007, 11:59:22 AM »
Looks great.. the white though...  considering how many of fire warriors you have to paint. What would it be? 30-40? Could be tough :)

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Re: Prototype Tau Firewarrior
« Reply #9 on: October 5, 2007, 02:52:37 PM »
Thanks everyone.

I have four done now, they look good in groups  :)



I have a battleforce to get through and am following the "rewards" method of painting where I do 4 firewarriors at a time interspersed by something fun.  Next up is the Devilfish.

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Looks great.. the white though...  considering how many of fire warriors you have to paint. What would it be? 30-40? Could be tough

It could be, but it's not actually white it's more of a cream/bone colour.  It's actually quite straight forward to paint - dark grey with a black wash (the base for the whole model), followed by a highlight of a sort of dull greyish cream colour and a second highlight of the same colour with some white.  I think the key is that the base for everything is Vallejo cold grey which (like many Vallejo paints) has great coverage even over black.

Also I'm only aiming for around 24 firewarriors, I'm really in this for the battlesuits  ;D


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I don't know how it will work on the Stealth Suits as it doesn't has trousers...

I don't know if I will be doing stealthsuits at all, I'm not too keen on the models and may end up looting them for bits to add to battlesuits instead. If I do though, I want to make them look "stealthy" somehow anyway so they won't be painted like this.

Having said that your point applies equally to battlesuits... to which I reply, lets cross that bridge when we come to it.

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I like how, though the shin guard is made of the same material as everything else, you painted it different. I've had a personal, fluff, logistics problem with that in my army (as in, which government in their right mind would take the time to make some parts of a suit of armor different colors for massed infantry...), but, as in your case, I think that the desired visual effect is worth having to work out better fluff

Meh, good point, but somehow I just can't bring myself to care!  The Tau already have some of the most ridiculous fluff you can find in the game anyway (earth, air, fire, water... please!). But really, I was kind of imagining the shins to be made of a tough flexible canvas like material.. if they were solid armour plates it would make moving around rather difficult.

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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #10 on: February 6, 2008, 01:32:11 PM »
Reviving this thread as there has been some notable progress in the army as of late.  Firstly, the four firewarriors have been expanded to two teams of 6:





I found this brilliant yellow scatter material which really sets the figures off well, breaking up the grey monotony and complementing the bone.

As outlined above I am trying to losely follow a rewards based system for painting, allowing myself a cool model in between rank and file.  Unfortunately since the purchase of a rapid insertion force I've started to see "cool" models as more of a chore than infantry  :D.  Nevertheless I have completed a Pathfinder Devilfish.  This was second hand and didn't come with a turret - hence the makeshift communications array that made me decide this is the Pathfinder Devilfish.







(Edit: Forum distorts this so go here for the full image)

Needless to say I think the tanks are going to be the focal point of the army, as I think this is among the best models I've ever painted.  Airbrushing rules.

Finally the aformentioned Pathfinders:



I did try inverting their colour scheme from the Firewarriors (bone armour with dark grey fatigues) but much to my surprise it looked terrible, so went back to the same scheme.

Questions, C&C all gratefully received.
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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #11 on: February 6, 2008, 04:19:14 PM »
Wow, great job, they look amazing. Teh secks.

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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #12 on: February 6, 2008, 04:37:33 PM »
I'm really liking the devilfish. And the sparse use of the orange and blue is really nice. And I know this was a while back now but I don't think there would actually be a problem with painting stealth suits all grey, for 2 reasons: 1. There going to be "invisible" half the time 2. Being all grey is probally more indistinguishable, which is a plus for something stealthy. I know you've said your not going to get any but I just wanted to mention it.

And there is one other thing I have say, and this may just be me, but the shadow on the cloth looks too dark. Makes it look stripy. But then again, I most likely couldn't do better :). Its fine with the pathfinders though.

And I've just noticed how the bases match the colour scheme very nicely.

Great work Fold :)

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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #13 on: February 6, 2008, 07:48:45 PM »
Wicked job, but what is the yellow stuff suposed to be(though it still looks wonderful)?
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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #14 on: February 6, 2008, 11:47:48 PM »
I like it. You painting skills are grand indeed.
 I fear that the army as a whole might come out kind of "bland" though. I can't say for sure, because I haven't seen the whole army together.
Just wanted to voice my concern.
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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #15 on: February 7, 2008, 05:27:20 AM »
Thanks all for comments.  First, replies:

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And there is one other thing I have say, and this may just be me, but the shadow on the cloth looks too dark. Makes it look stripy.

I'm aware of how dark this is, it's something I do with all my models - shade to black, and highlight to white, or as close as I can get it.  The reason is, though like you said when you start looking too closely at individual models it looks a bit odd, overall I find it to add more impact to a figure/squad/army. In fact it was one of my 5 "rules" for a good looking army:

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3. Contrast Is Key

When dealing with a game where the average soldier is rarely taller than 30mm you can forget subtlety.  The best paint jobs over-exaggerate the contrast between different areas of a model by using brighter highlights and deeper shadows than would be natural.  Blacklining is also an essential (and easy) technique to master.

Yeah I actually wrote them down... was planning on starting a 40k painting/modelling site at some point  :)


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I don't think there would actually be a problem with painting stealth suits all grey, for 2 reasons: 1. There going to be "invisible" half the time 2. Being all grey is probally more indistinguishable, which is a plus for something stealthy. I know you've said your not going to get any but I just wanted to mention it.

Technically speaking of course you are right. And it's no longer a mute argument as I've since decided I like the models and have built three, two of which are in various stages of paint job.  I like neither of them and am actually totally stumped about how to proceed. 



1) The "mid transformation" suit.  Getting more popular around the net - I didn't do the actual transformation line very well but this is only a test model, you can see a better painted example at the GW site here.  The trouble with this is that transforming from grey to grey (would be logical in my army) looks dumb!  So I tried painting the suit a neutral bone colour and having it transform to grey. It has impact, but doesn't quite seem right in the context of the army (again, the same problem I had where I tried inverting the colour heirarchy on the pathfinders).




2) Black with "matrix like" vertical lines and sharp highlights in bright blue.  Intended to show the suit coursing with some type of power.  Looks good up close, but doesn't fit with the army particularly well, or have enough impact from a distance (where it basically just looks primed black).

3) Plain grey - Not tried yet, but suspect it will look too drab, albeit technically correct given their role.  However I will try it next, as I have no other ideas.

Does anyone think something else could look cool and fit with the army?

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Wicked job, but what is the yellow stuff suposed to be(though it still looks wonderful)?

I imagine it as some type of virile fungus or plant that has begun to rapidly colonise a recently ruined city.  As we're not confined to Earth-bound flora when it comes to basing I see no reason not to push the barriers a bit!

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I fear that the army as a whole might come out kind of "bland" though. I can't say for sure, because I haven't seen the whole army together.

Certainly a valid concern and that's why I was so glad to come across the yellow scatter material for the bases.  I think it's going to be okay.  I have all the finished minis (all 19 of them!) grouped on my computer at the moment and they do look good. I also think the tanks are going to be key to lifting the look of the army somewhat, as overall they are much lighter and more well defined than the infantry.


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I pledged these three suits to last months Painting Challenge (and failed utterly, of course).

Magnetised interchangeable crisis suit:



Won't be doing this too often, as I found it a major hassle to fit all the magnets in and make them all totally invisible, especially in the guns themselves. There are a total of 8 magnets on this suit, and 2 in each gun, except the missile pods that only have 1. I think I'll restrict this to my commanders (of which I'm planning on making 2) in the future.


Fireknife crisis suit:



May as well make three of these that aren't interchangeable, as they're so ubiquitous.


Broadside conversion:



It's a bit shabby round the edges in places but overall I'm really happy with this one. Railguns are magnetised for storage purposes (with some HUGE magnets - 6mm x 3mm).  Head is built from a normal suit head + a target lock, chest vents, advanced stabilisation system (not visible here) and additional armour from an SM jump pack and  plasticard.

I'm going to make three, including a team leader with plasma rifles and multitracker.  Here's my solution to fitting a multitracker on to an already busy model - integrated!


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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #16 on: February 7, 2008, 09:13:12 AM »
You know you're mean painting like that right?

 Seriously... you have made a wonderful job to the Tau! I am even tempted to start but as they won't look half as beautiful as yours I won't!
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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #17 on: February 7, 2008, 10:40:09 AM »
Cool stuff!

I think the reason that you're running into problems on the stealth suits is because you've done an excellent job so far of balancing color.  You have red, yellow, and blue on almost everything in some amount, and your base color is payne's gray. While this creates excellent visual harmony, it leaves you with the problem that any additional color choices you make will be biased toward red, yellow, or blue.

An example of a grey suit leaning toward blue.


I like neither of the styles you've presented so far (no offense).  I think choosing a primary color and just going for it will make a significant difference.  Might I suggest, if this blue is not to your liking, yellow-and-gray camo?  To blend in with your bases.

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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #18 on: February 8, 2008, 11:58:39 AM »
Good stuff.  I really like the multitracker plasma guns.  Nice scheme.  Groovy tanks. 

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Re: Fold's Urban Tau Cadre
« Reply #19 on: February 8, 2008, 01:26:38 PM »
im very impressed!

its almost the inverse of my scheme - based losey around a city / night fighting specialist cadre. i like the ends of the rifles... theblue is a nice touch, i will have to borrow that as my own weapons are looking rather subdued:



on the stealth suits, it can be difficult to get a good look... im not sure exactly why... my suits are all the classic xv15 ones, so ive never had to think too hard about the new ones... i decided early though, that my xv15s were going to remain really dark. this helps set them apart from my other units which is exactly what i wanted. lots of people think that painting them dark is an easy cop out... because they dont get the blocked colour contrasts of the other units... but on closer inspection you can see the detail that goes into highlighting them... the real trick with this is to ensure that your highlighting isnt too contrasting... thats not a look that i particulalry like.

here are my suits if that might help:





i really like your tank...i dont have an airbrush but love the effect it gives.

 


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