wow so much to respond too
I agree that FA are critical to MY DE army, i take 10 Hellions and 7-10 Reavers. It's very important to my army cause i'm so sick of seeing DE armies w/ 6 raiders and loads of warriors, I can not think of a more boring army to play (maybe Tau). So I need to be able to keep w/ the DE strength (speed) while not using a bunch of Raiders - this equals a ton of FA and fits my mentality as a general very well.
Sapper - I was in the infantry (82nd to be exact) and I take from your comments and name that you were an Engineer so we come from the same background. That being said, I love my Reavers, they are a ton more flexible than normal infantry, being fast and lethal AND tougher than our basic troop. I think lots of people misuse reavers, depending on that toughness and invlunerable save to get a small unit (which should always be at least 7 strong) accross the field to a key point - asinine. The need to utilize cover and be supported just like any other unit. I can understand w/ your background why you dont' like assault marines - but remember this is a game and not real life, and for some reason GW thinks that warfare in the 40th millenium will revert to HtH, as stupid as that seems to you and I.
Scourges - i love my scourges and won't even entertain the notion of going to battle w/o them. The secret is not to deepstrike them, you want to use that much firepower from turn one, and not wait until 2nd turn if your lucky. Hide these behind a screen of Hellions and you have a mobile fire base (espically w/ their new 5++ save). Give the hellion succubus terrofex and your fairly safe from assaults
Talos - Model looks cool, i use him to protect my warrior mobs w/ DL's and the back of the field. People think twice before coming at my Warrior squads, terrofex usually freeze's them in place, two shredders, 2 DL's and whatever # of rapid fire SRifles i can get in. And if they get past that they have to deal w/ the Talos - very scary
Karakth - here's an easy way to remember about blocking LOS - Models NEVER block LOS to vehicles (bikes, talos, WL's are all models) and vehicles ALWAYS block LOS to anything.
Rhysk - I agree about the wyches, i was thinking about this last nite. but your math is pretty off
you -
9 regular wyches with "wych weapons" 108 points...
1 Succubus with Agonizer 21 points...
1 Raider with Disintigrator 60 points.
except in your HtH model you use the new rules so the points SHOULD look like this
10 regular wyches with "wych weapons" 140 points...
1 Succubus ugrade with Agonizer 30 points...
1 Raider with Disintigrator 60 points.
Wyches are 12 points + 2 per wyche weapons
succubs is an upgrade which means he costs 20ps, plus his agonizer and he still has to uprade to wyche weapons. So really this units costs 230pts not 189.
Also WS 2 vs. WS 4 hits on 4+, not 5+, so the marines are going to hurt you a bit more unless you happen to get the +1WS roll on your drug roll, in which case they would need 5+ to hit.
However this is still a VERY nasty unit at pretty damn good price. Imagine the look on a Space Marine's face when his 15pt Assault marines are reduced to 1 attack per, w/ ws2 AND he has to go second?? Then he doesn't kill nearly as many guys as he's used too due to a 4++ save.....i can't wait to make my first SM opponent cry, bring on the Blood Angels and Black Templars!