Topic: Ulthwe 1700pts swe-brainstorming.

[DooMarn]

first off i like to say hello to all!!
its my first time writing on this forum, but i have been a stedy visitor for a while.

I usually play Emperors Children and have been doing it for a while.

but since all my friends play mostly CSM or SM i got tired of the 3+ save matches
so i decided to take something that will get hurt from bolter fire and have to be played with a bit more finess,

So i started collecting eldars, and since i liked the theme of ulthwe thats what i have been collecting.
this is what i have so far.
all in boxes still, havent even opened anything yet.

1 avatar
1 seer council (with extra farseer+several extra warlocks)
3 defender guardian boxes
3 heavy weapon platforms
9 banshees (including exarch)
1 wave serpent (the new model)
1 vyper
2 wraithlord
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So i have put together an ulthwe army list.
but plz go gently on me its my first time constructing one.

1700pts Ulthwe

HQ. avatar   80pts
HQ seer council  8      306pts (might be some pts wrong cuz i calculated it fast in my head)
farseer: singing spear, shuriken pistol, rune of witnessing, fortune
farseer: witch blade, shuriken pistol, rune of witnessing, mind war
farseer: witch blade, shuriken pistol, rune of witnessing, mind war
warlock: ccw, shuriken pistol, augment
warlock: ccw, shuriken pistol, augment
warlock: ccw, shuriken pistol, enhance
2x warlock: ccw, shuriken pistol

Elite. howling banshees 9   165pts   wave serpent: spirit stone, twin star cannon, shuriken cannon 155pts
exarch: executioner

Troops: black defender guardians 14+warlock+heavy platform   195pts
warlock: conceal, ccw, shuriken pistol
brightlance platform

Troops: black defender guardians 14+warlock+heavy platform   195pts
warlock: conceal, ccw, shuriken pistol
brightlance platform

Troops: defender guardians 9+heavy platform  122pts
star cannon platform

Troops: defender guardians 9+heavy platform  122pts
star cannon platform

Fast. Vyper 105pts
scatter laser, shuriken cannon, Crystal targeting

heavy: Wraithlord   120pts
brightlance

heavy: Wraithlord 120pts
star cannon

Total: 1691
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I think i will add 1 more guardian just for the point i got left..but i wanted to write down my original comp
so i could get some advice on it.

havent played eldars before but my strategi is to
have a strong firebase, with 3 brightlance that can take out vehicles or other nasty stuff, and backed up with
3 star cannons för some marine killing power. also the vyper is there mainly to either fire at infantry or get around
to take out vehicles in the back,,just to be annoying i guess.

and my plan to use mind war was to take out champs or indepent chars or even lascannon models etc etc..
..
plz you old eldar players out there...give a newbie some advice on how to kick my friends asses 

[howling_council]

seer council:
take the singing spear off your farseer
eventhough it is only 3 extra points, youll want the extra attack
but dont worry about spending too many points on them, as ive had them walk up middle of the board against tau teams with only taking one or two wounds (4+ re-rollable invunerable save will make your apponents drool)
as for your avatar, they generally dont make it into cc so its a waste of 80 points (thougth it wil  draw a whole squads fire for at least one turn, if thats wat you had in mind)

guardians:
try to max out your black guardian squads, as they wil do a lot more damage and there suuport weapons platforms do more

vyper:
if your gonna be playing smurfs, i would use the starcannon, because eventhough the possibility of getting 6 shots is very enticing, i generally dont get more than three anyway (of course, thats just me)

banshees:
if you have any extra points on at the end, throw on an extra one, since the whole idea of banshees is to attack, take out there how squad, or at least most of them, before they can attack back

wraithlords:
change the starcannon to a brightlance, as you have to charge at what you shoot at now

i wuld also get a couple dark reapers, as while they are a lot points, they rip through space marines like theres no tomorow

[The_Outcast]

I would say that you can keep your brightlance wraithlord and change the one of the bright lance to starcannon. Drop the CTM as on a vyper will make the points go up and with scatter lasers you probably won't get your points back anyway I would use the leftover points to add more black guardians.

The_Outcast