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Need help with 75 PL crusade list
« on: May 31, 2021, 08:36:46 PM »
Against mostly primarus. Need i say more. Here is my list, any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [74 PL, 6CP, 1,650pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [6CP]: 2. Incursion (51-100 Total PL / 501-1000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Obsession: Cult of the Cursed Blade: Only The Strong Will Survive

+ HQ +

Succubus [3 PL, 60pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug), Traitor's Embrace, Treacherous Deceiver, Warlord
. Blast Pistol & Archite Glaive

Succubus [3 PL, 60pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Blast Pistol & Archite Glaive

+ Troops +

Wyches [3 PL, 50pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii Blade, Splinter Pistol
. 4x Wych: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

Wyches [6 PL, 120pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword, Splinter Pistol
. 8x Wych: 8x Hekatarii Blade, 8x Plasma Grenades, 8x Splinter Pistol
. Wych w/ Shardnet and Impaler: Shardnet and Impaler

Wyches [6 PL, 120pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword, Splinter Pistol
. 8x Wych: 8x Hekatarii Blade, 8x Plasma Grenades, 8x Splinter Pistol
. Wych w/ Shardnet and Impaler: Shardnet and Impaler

Wyches [6 PL, 115pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword, Splinter Pistol
. 8x Wych: 8x Hekatarii Blade, 8x Plasma Grenades, 8x Splinter Pistol
. Wych w/ Hydra Gauntlets: Hydra Gauntlets

+ Elites +

Incubi [4 PL, 80pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

+ Fast Attack +

Hellions [7 PL, 175pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Helliarch: Hellglaive, Phantasm Grenade Launcher
. 9x Hellion: 9x Hellglaive, 9x Splinter Pods

Hellions [7 PL, 175pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Helliarch: Hellglaive, Phantasm Grenade Launcher
. 9x Hellion: 9x Hellglaive, 9x Splinter Pods

Reavers [6 PL, 155pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug), Cluster caltrops, Grav-talon
. Arena Champion: Power sword, Splinter Rifle
. 3x Reaver: 3x Bladevanes, 3x Splinter Pistol, 3x Splinter Rifle
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Blaster
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Blaster

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 115pts]: Chain-snares, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Shock Prow, Splinter racks, Wych Cult

Raider [5 PL, 115pts]: Chain-snares, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Shock Prow, Splinter racks, Wych Cult

Raider [5 PL, 120pts]: Chain-snares, Disintegrator Cannon, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Shock Prow, Splinter racks, Wych Cult

Venom [4 PL, 95pts]: Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon, Wych Cult

Venom [4 PL, 95pts]: Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon, Wych Cult

++ Total: [74 PL, 6CP, 1,650pts] ++

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Re: Need help with 75 PL crusade list
« Reply #1 on: June 1, 2021, 10:24:49 AM »
Seems to me you can drop the splinter racks (does anyone in your army even *have* a rapid fire weapon?) and I don't think Grisly Trophies or Phantasm Grenade Launchers are especially useful, either, especially not on vehicles that probably won't last the whole game. So you've got a lot of points you can free up.

Okay, I see you're playing by Power Level, so the point costs don't actually matter, here.

I think *all* Hekatrixes should have Blast Pistols (certainly over Phantasm grenades).

The issue I have with Grisly Trophies/Phantasm Grenades is that its presuming your transports will be within 3" of the enemy in the shooting phase for the grislies to work and, therefore, allow your phantasm grenades to clean up. I don't think you're going to manage that all that often, since the priority is to get your guys into combat ASAP, which usually leaves the transports behind by a bit. Now, since this is a PL game and you get all that stuff for free, you may as well.

The other thing I would have said (were this a matched play game) is to upgrade one of your Succubi to a Master Succubus and get the Dancer's Edge to slaughter Primaris, but you can't start a Crusade like that, so...never mind.

As a final note, Heat Lances are better than Blasters, for the most part, since the advantage of Blasters is that they're Assault, but you don't exactly *need* to advance and shoot with your Reavers most of the time to get in range, anyway, and the added damage from the Heat Lances is really handy for blowing up dreadnoughts, rhinos, and anything with a hefty wounds characteristic.

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Re: Need help with 75 PL crusade list
« Reply #2 on: June 1, 2021, 07:22:42 PM »
Thanks for the reply. I jyggled back and forth on the blasters vs heat lances. Dont we get penalized for moving and shooting a heavy weapon? Thanks
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Re: Need help with 75 PL crusade list
« Reply #3 on: June 1, 2021, 09:27:37 PM »
Bikes don't, no. The penalty only applies to Infantry.

Oh, also about Reavers: I feel like I'd go either double grav-talon or double cluster caltrops. If the goal is to tie up a unit in CC and not let them fall back, nuking them with mortal wounds before you make your attacks is often counterproductive. Give them Painbringer, have them soak in combat, and then keep the enemy from leaving.

If you're stacking them for straight offense (as you seem to be with Grave Lotus + Cursed Blade + Bladevanes), then go all-in with double grav-talons and try to eliminate the unit in the first place.

I'm also not so sure how much a 50/50 chance of a single mortal wound is going to deter a Primaris unit from falling back, anyway. 

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Re: Need help with 75 PL crusade list
« Reply #4 on: June 1, 2021, 11:28:14 PM »
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++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [74 PL, 6CP, 1,675pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [6CP]: 2. Incursion (51-100 Total PL / 501-1000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Obsession: Cult of the Cursed Blade: Only The Strong Will Survive

+ HQ +

Succubus [3 PL, 60pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug), Traitor's Embrace, Treacherous Deceiver, Warlord
. Blast Pistol & Archite Glaive

Succubus [3 PL, 60pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Blast Pistol & Archite Glaive

+ Troops +

Wyches [3 PL, 60pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol
. 4x Wych: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

Wyches [6 PL, 125pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword
. 8x Wych: 8x Hekatarii Blade, 8x Plasma Grenades, 8x Splinter Pistol
. Wych w/ Shardnet and Impaler: Shardnet and Impaler

Wyches [6 PL, 125pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword
. 8x Wych: 8x Hekatarii Blade, 8x Plasma Grenades, 8x Splinter Pistol
. Wych w/ Shardnet and Impaler: Shardnet and Impaler

Wyches [6 PL, 120pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword
. 8x Wych: 8x Hekatarii Blade, 8x Plasma Grenades, 8x Splinter Pistol
. Wych w/ Hydra Gauntlets: Hydra Gauntlets

+ Elites +

Incubi [4 PL, 80pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

+ Fast Attack +

Hellions [7 PL, 175pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Helliarch: Hellglaive, Phantasm Grenade Launcher
. 9x Hellion: 9x Hellglaive, 9x Splinter Pods

Hellions [7 PL, 175pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Helliarch: Hellglaive, Phantasm Grenade Launcher
. 9x Hellion: 9x Hellglaive, 9x Splinter Pods

Reavers [6 PL, 155pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug), 2x Grav-talon
. Arena Champion: Power sword, Splinter Rifle
. 3x Reaver: 3x Bladevanes, 3x Splinter Pistol, 3x Splinter Rifle
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Heat Lance
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Heat Lance

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 115pts]: Chain-snares, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Shock Prow, Splinter racks, Wych Cult

Raider [5 PL, 115pts]: Chain-snares, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Shock Prow, Splinter racks, Wych Cult

Raider [5 PL, 120pts]: Chain-snares, Disintegrator Cannon, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Shock Prow, Splinter racks, Wych Cult

Venom [4 PL, 95pts]: Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon, Wych Cult

Venom [4 PL, 95pts]: Chain-snares, Grisly Trophies, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon, Wych Cult

++ Total: [74 PL, 6CP, 1,675pts] ++

All of my hekatii are modelled with agonizors but i feel power swords are a better choice.
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Re: Need help with 75 PL crusade list
« Reply #5 on: June 2, 2021, 08:07:52 AM »
All of my hekatii are modelled with agonizors but i feel power swords are a better choice.

Yeah, Agonizers *look* cool, but they just aren't so good, particularly on Cursed Blade wyches. I mean, you're already wounding pretty much everything short of vehicles or monsters on 4s or better, anyway. Power swords are definitely superior.

 


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