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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2006, 04:28:22 PM »
Okay, first off  that pic is a green ELF! No Ork in that. LOL The other reason why Da Moose's asexual reproduction thoery makes more sense is that Orks live to fight, fight to live. Normal gestation periods for animal creatures are way too long to be useful to Orks. Besides, if Orks spent all their time having sex, no one would be fighting. Call it an evolutionary stepping stone. Orks release spores in order to dramatically increase their numbers and the odds of propagation and survivability. On top of that, you can a lot more Orks through a colony of spores in one go than you can in mutiple individual births.

Orks is made for fighting and winning, not bumping and grinding.  :D


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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2006, 04:31:54 PM »
THose poor orks, it must suck to get all your pleasure out of killing and none from creating... ::sigh::....

But green nipples are fine by me!  ;) And I still hold that that is a female orc, and not an elf.

Anyway, do you think the female-looking 40k orks are as fat and muscley as the males?
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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2006, 04:44:43 PM »
If we stick to the idea that Orks a simply a warrior race, then they would have to be. Otherwise, they would be a burden to the tribes, clans etc...and would simply be exterminated as easily as Grots or Squigs. The whole Ork woemn thing does not fit into the GW concept or Orks as we know it. Orks in 40K do not farm, or barter goods, trade etc..like other races and Orks in other fantasy\sci-fi settings. Orks, fight, eat, fight, kill, eat, fight, hell I doubt they would even sleep since it interrupts fighting. LOL


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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2006, 05:07:24 PM »
actually there is a reference to orks offering peace in exchange for weapons, but that they then kill the people foolish enough to take the offer.
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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2006, 05:34:03 PM »
Hypothetically speaking, if there where orky weomen, they would prolly look like this

http://www.uk-muscle.com/ukmuscle/forums/read.aspx?pid=40316

So, even an ork would not touch em with 500 foot pole, or maybe just once, when they were at the orky bar, and one thing lead to another, and they woke up beside a yeti (even by ork standards).  So, then they dropped em all of on some planet, and said "yeah........ i'll call  you".  Now the imperium has the planet marked "Do Not Go Here" and they periodically drop of maxi pads and copies of women's digest to keep them from CONQUERING THE GALAXY in search of "that jerk who didn't call"

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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2006, 06:45:03 PM »
The best way to decide about Ork genders, is not to think about it at all. What you don't think about can't hurt you (unless the thing your not thinking of is a gun with somebody behind it). Besides, nobody in the Imperium would bother looking down a dead Ork's trousers (unless they're really strange). But if you must think about it, I prefer thinking of it like there's a Queen Ork and all the rest are Workers (Grotz) or Soldiers (Every other Ork). Doesn't sound as far fetched as some would think.

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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2006, 07:54:12 PM »
Hypothetically speaking, if there where orky weomen, they would prolly look like this

http://www.uk-muscle.com/ukmuscle/forums/read.aspx?pid=40316

So, even an ork would not touch em with 500 foot pole, or maybe just once, when they were at the orky bar, and one thing lead to another, and they woke up beside a yeti (even by ork standards).  So, then they dropped em all of on some planet, and said "yeah........ i'll call  you".  Now the imperium has the planet marked "Do Not Go Here" and they periodically drop of maxi pads and copies of women's digest to keep them from CONQUERING THE GALAXY in search of "that jerk who didn't call"

Given that there are human men who this works for, I figure it wouldn't be very hard for Orks to like it too. Espeically if it all they saw 99% of the time.

The best way to decide about Ork genders, is not to think about it at all. What you don't think about can't hurt you (unless the thing your not thinking of is a gun with somebody behind it). Besides, nobody in the Imperium would bother looking down a dead Ork's trousers (unless they're really strange). But if you must think about it, I prefer thinking of it like there's a Queen Ork and all the rest are Workers (Grotz) or Soldiers (Every other Ork). Doesn't sound as far fetched as some would think.

I would go for this over the fugus thing since it so out there!
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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2006, 03:58:58 AM »
Okay, first off  that pic is a green ELF! No Ork in that. LOL

that most definetly is an orc, just i think they never put it into wcIII, i mean if you look at the world of warcraft ork women, they be almsot as scary as that buff women
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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2006, 05:24:21 AM »
That's a picture of Garona, from the Warcraft series.

She's a half-orc. Full blood orc females aren't as graceful as she is.
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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2006, 05:35:08 AM »
In older fluff there was a story about female orks, being far nastier than the males, while far less numerous, hid away in fortresses and shot anyone hwo got close enough to get in.
   This was a part of the selection-process. You had to be a huge and ├╝ber-tough ork male to get into one of those fortresses and carvbe your legacy in litters of little orks, or be a very very sneaky sneaky-git to manage to get in there without ending up in a corpse-pile with a heavy bolter-bullet in your skull. Very tough or very cleverl. Survival of the fittest.
   This is all gone now, of course, and it is replaced by this spore-idea, which is such a shame, I think. I like the classics.

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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2006, 06:51:15 PM »
The sexual process permits faster genetic change in a population: through recombination it allows favorable mutants to aggregate, whereas in a parthenogenetically reproducing population, there is no way in which they can become combined in a single individual.  In other words, female Orks would allow a rapid evolution of Orks to given environmental conditions.  Spores could create Orks wholesale, but the Orks produced this way would be more of the same with rare or little variation.

So let's say Orks crash on an ice-world.  With lots of sex, in a few generations, you have Orks that are more tolerant of or even Orks that completely thrive in the cold.  Combining male/female genetic material increases the chances of (thus speed of) mutation.  A population of Orks could become quite diverse in a relatively short amount of time.

So what if the Orks don't NEED to adapt to an environment?  Well, that's where the spores come in.  Lots of status-quo copies FAST.  But if the environment is hostile, (ie deadly radiation) it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 Orks or a million... sporing won't provide the fast evolution needed to make the population resistant.

The answer?  Orks would have both sexual and asexual modes of reproduction.  Why?  Well, as a failsafe measure.  Since Orks were animals modified to include fungal attributes, it stands to reason that the ability to reproduce sexually (males and females) was present in the original animal (all higher animals have this ability).  And if it was there before the Orks were genetically altered into their current form, well, it would make sense that it would have been carried over into the new form.  The Brainboyz (or Slann) might have worked to remove sexual attributes, but that would have been dumb since it adds near indestructability to an Ork Population.

Also recall that spores only grow if there are enough other Orkoids near.  Sexual Reproduction would overcome this barrier with ease.

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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2006, 09:19:02 PM »
well in a planet with high levels of radiation the orks with dicks and all the women would die anyway, allowing no little baby orks to come out. When sporing, they spore, then die and spore some more, then the previous spores make more orks, they die but when they do they make more orks, and it goes on and on.

Basically the more orks that die, the more orks are born. (death sporing)
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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #32 on: June 1, 2006, 09:49:24 AM »
Ork reproduction may be much more complex than has been detailed so far. Many organisms have multiple stages to their reproduction with often very different physiologies and lifestyles for each one. A lot of these are to facilitate either moving from one environment to another or achieving sexual reproduction.

All Orks may be permanently sexually crossbreeding with other Orks, just not in the direct manner in which mammals do it. Instead spores land and grow on a suitable site, then when more spores from another Ork land on them, they absorb them, genetically mix with them, then produce a new crop of spores formed from this mixture. These are dispersed again. This process of mixture and dispersal goes on constantly, spreading and mixing Orkish genetic material. A specialised form for the purposes of mating, which may be totally unlike the active and growing form, is actually quite common in nature.

If these Orkoid fungal growths become large enough they start giving rise to squigs, which make conditions better, which allows snots and grots to be produced, who in turn facilitate the large fungal masses needed to grow Orks.

Natural selection proceeds in much the same way as plants. Orks that survive longer and become bigger produce more spores for longer, increasing their incidence. Weak Orks die. However since Orks also release a mass of spores when they die, living fast and dying young is a good tactic to follow as well.

Another factor is that many Orks are not unique individuals but clones from a single fungal batch. Since any given Ork can potentially have thousands of identical siblings running around being all that fussed about your unique survival isn't that important. Better to act in a way that increases the spread and dominance of Orks in general, since in that way you will help all those masses of Orks who are identical or very similar to you. This phenomenon of sacrificing your own life to aid the greater mass of those who are genetically identical/very similar to you is the basis of the social insects society. A few oddball organisms such as amoeba slime molds also act in this way, forming collective colonies of clones.

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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #33 on: June 1, 2006, 10:07:49 AM »
But perhaps orks were never supposed to mutate or change considerably. As far as i know, they were created by the old ones to fight the necrons.
So the old ones engineered a race, in a form, they thought would be siuted best for the task.
Now since they considered this form perfect, any change by mutation would only serve to lessen the utility of the orks in their mind. Perhaps they also built in some means to control them, which would be endangered by mutation.
So they made as sure as possible, that mutation wouldnt happen.
Now that i think about it, Eldar also seemingly have not changed in million of years.
A long life span, slow reproduction cycles and probably some inbuilt anti mutation genes are the tools used here. 


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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #35 on: June 3, 2006, 06:05:51 PM »
That's a picture of Garona, from the Warcraft series.

She's a half-orc. Full blood orc females aren't as graceful as she is.

I am going to build a orc and goblin army [Fantasy], with women like this.
http://empireearth.free.fr/galerie/photos/orc-female.jpg

I think Dark Elf Witch elves will work well! Yes this will fit perfectly :evil Grin: :D  ;D
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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #36 on: June 3, 2006, 09:57:35 PM »
Where can you buy those?  I heard that Dark Elves have some very nice female figures... but for some reason, I never see them at the local game store.

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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #37 on: June 4, 2006, 08:46:42 PM »
Which elves would seem to work best as they have metql on the little clothing they are wearing. Female Wardancers could work as well.
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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #38 on: June 6, 2006, 09:57:47 AM »
well if games workshop has gone through all the trouble of explaining why there arent ork women then theyve slipped up along the line. 

in Blood bowl a warhammer offshoot game there isd a team for orks... and to accompany them is an ork cheerleader clearly a female model... whoops GW. 

so im going to say that an ork reproduces by sporing once it dies as it releases the spores when it is killed... and that there are female orks for reproducing when the orks are, on the very rare occasion, not fighting

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Re: Ork Women
« Reply #39 on: June 6, 2006, 10:09:34 AM »
Is Blood Bowl serious though? I was under the impression it was more of a 'tongue in cheek' game rather than a serious one, in which case the Ork women are likely a joke, and not a slip up.

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