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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 10:46:57 AM »
That's some scary amphetamine parrot coming from the US these days. I thought that anti-terror act which was approved lately was a hoax, but then it wasn't. Even China seems to be a more liberal place. I mean, downloading music and/or films is perfectly legal in my country. I would hate to see that change (i.e. sources not being available anymore).

GW? I have somewhat lost my faith in them, wouldn't be surprised to see them starting a crusade against Fansites should laws allow for that.
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2012, 07:50:13 PM »
Bashing the US has become as much a hobby as 40k aint it?  60% of conversations I hear insults not only the government, but the citizens. So many good people get collected into the bargain of dumb Americans.  I feel bad for them.  And I cant do anything because if I speak up about how the US has all sorts of cool stuff, I just get drowned out by a stupid economic rant about debt, fat people and how stupid capitalism is.  Whenever I say they are being racist towards Americans, its the same old routine.  "NO, because lots of different people live in America."  But for some reason pulling the race card works if you say something about China, India, even Canada sometimes.  Insulting the US has become too regular and its quite depressing.


And I dont approve of this SOPA thing, but I am not sure how it will effect Canadians, any info on that or am I missing something?

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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2012, 08:24:30 PM »
And I dont approve of this SOPA thing, but I am not sure how it will effect Canadians, any info on that or am I missing something?

For education purpose or any more info, simply follow the link I gave earlier in this thread...

Or the thread I created a long while ago: SOPA: The Internet War (US Congress Bill to control the Internet) (I asked Kindred already about linking it from here.)

I put up all the info + a few youtube videos for explanation in there which should be more than enough to grasp of what could happen worldwide if SOPA ever passes.

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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2012, 08:40:17 PM »
Bashing the US has become as much a hobby as 40k aint it?  60% of conversations I hear insults not only the government, but the citizens. So many good people get collected into the bargain of dumb Americans.  I feel bad for them.  And I cant do anything because if I speak up about how the US has all sorts of cool stuff, I just get drowned out by a stupid economic rant about debt, fat people and how stupid capitalism is.  Whenever I say they are being racist towards Americans, its the same old routine.  "NO, because lots of different people live in America."  But for some reason pulling the race card works if you say something about China, India, even Canada sometimes.  Insulting the US has become too regular and its quite depressing.


And I dont approve of this SOPA thing, but I am not sure how it will effect Canadians, any info on that or am I missing something?

I've noticed that too. Pretty sad considering;
U.S GDP per capita-15th in the world
Japanese GDP per Capita-18th (Followed closely by Germany in 19th)-Note Japan has rather western economic views.
Iran GDP per capita-82nd-Simply for Comparison, because North Korea is like, at the bottom.
Chinese GDP per capita-90th (Oh, and their economy is going to tank when their, what, two trillion working classmen end up being 55-80 and needing the 1 trillion new working class to support them (1 child per couple, remember?- Just imagine what SS and medicare is doing to the U.S and then multiply that by infinity).
(Compared alot to U.S)
U.S System of Economics-Capitalism
Soviet Union System- Communism
End Result; There's...there's no Soviet Union anymore comrades.
Fun Fact; India was at one point Socialist! It's economy tanked! Really badly. It was brought up through Capitalism!

1% vs. 99%- 3 Million vs. 297million.
Average U.S Standard of living-Not Starving, easy access to clean food and medicine in most cases.

Americans-Made up of so many races that we can be racist to anybody collectively.
Americans-One ethnic group (Oh, and we can have our cool towers exploded.)

Americans are fat-
Interestingly, moderately obese people die last (more fat reserves than healthy muscle people but not so fat they die), fat was often cited as an attractive quality until the U.S changed that, fat people are often seen as more successful-richer-more food.

I think people hate on the U.S because it's currently trending. I suppose I'm a political hipster of sorts, supporting a country and system that's worked for over about 250 years or so, and is most well equipped to last forever. I don't even nessacarily believe this to be true-its just the data saying it, not me (I believe it though). *shrug*

More problems caused by people who complain about everything going wrong that things actually going wrong.


Reminds me of the Capitalist vs. Socialist debate on my other forums...got broken up by a political science major. Socialist and I are friends too.

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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2012, 09:05:24 PM »
Thanks Wper  :D

And crew4man, I agree on everything.  Not so long ago being fat was great! A sign of opulence, extra warmth, and a longer lifespan.  Nothing in existence is internally bad, and people are flipping this obesity thing out the window.  Just saying its a epidemic makes me want to punch someone in the face.

And you dont have to be a political hipster to not hate on America.  You just dont have to be a narrow minded, blind folded racist douche that a vast majority of people are.  It disgusts me vastly.  The WORST part is that Native Americans in both Canada and America (the real Americans) are the same race, and everyone white is European.  If the USA is going to receive this hate, I would rather have Canada get it as well, just so stupid high horsing Canadians realized that we are identical, and so it can stop me from feeling bad for Americans.

Arrrrgh!   >:(
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2012, 09:15:34 PM »
[gmod]This isn't the Discussion Board and it's no longer 2003. ON TOPIC rather than yet another woo hoo America or reverse thread. We've been there and done that often enough the cool kids can leave it alone this time. [/gmod]
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2012, 03:36:15 PM »
Personally, I'm happy 40KO did the Pop-Up.  More people need to know about it in the US; I live in the US (btw, it has a 98% disapproval rating and supporters like Sony, Nintendo, Comcast, etc are dropping support... despite being sponsors to get it into voting).

As for bashing the US... well it's like US citizens thinking Iranian citizens hate them.  Misinformation is the dose of the day.  The more social the world becomes, given labels and groupings, the more irrational perspectives become like paranoia and feed on gossip and propaganda (PIPA/SOPA both offer a political/corporate vehicle for the later... which is another reason I am against the black list legislation).  I'm also dead against any law that says you don't get due process to defend yourself... we do innocent until proven guilty here.  it should stay that way.
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2012, 09:10:57 PM »
Please note: Although the current SOPA bill has been placed on administrative hold, it is not "dead". They will try to slip it in once they feel that people have stopped watching.
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2012, 09:22:01 PM »
PIPA is still in existence as well and while being slightly less vile in concept it's still deeply flawed and wide open to abuse.
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2012, 01:31:18 AM »
reddit had a good write-up on it earlier today (dunno if its still down/up, respectively).

Looks like the SOPA-hold also involves a bit of rewriting.  I saw multiple mentions that the DNS portion is suppose to be deleted.  Also, I saw that the white house is polishing it's veto stick.

PIPA is definitely getting less press.
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2012, 05:06:23 PM »
I'm not American, but aren't both bills unconstitutional, per the First Amendment?

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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2012, 05:21:17 PM »
There are a lot of bills that have wording coming out which goes against the American Constitution it seems... (NDAA)
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2012, 07:35:35 PM »
ah, but see the "cleverness".  Free speech is not quite all that some people claim it is (should be).

Your allowed free speech as long as that speech is not illegal (i.e. speech which promotes hatred or which causes a condition of endangerment nor speech which encourages illegal acts)
(e.g. I can be arrested if I scream racial profanities at an event...  I can be arrested if I scream "fire" in a movie theatre... I can be arrested for encouraging people to go out and steal things)

So, this law makes whatever site they accuse to be illegal for no other reason than they have accused it....   wow. some twisted logic there.
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2012, 11:52:53 PM »
You must admit you can tell the difference between discussing political topics and having a statement, however innocuous, implying a position on a topical political matter.

I say again I oppose this bill and all infringements on any civil liberties the world throughout. This bill is an impingement on  my own civil liberties which is issue number one (for me) the fact that I have NO SAY WHATSOEVER, being an Englishman, is issue number two. BUT I do not think that here is the correct place to make a stand. By having the pop I believe you are making the site political.

I'm clearly not going to say any opinions and as has been stated we are all free to our own. Mine is that I don not agree with this site hosting any pop up / banner or other device which clearly implies a political stand point. However righteous that stand point may be.

@ Farceseer Syranaul. Childish.

Ok.  But if you expect a privately hosted website to choose not to spread political awareness about trends in politics that effect the premise of their very existence (considering this is a website dedicated to a product which is not owned by the owner of the website) then the only person you're conning is yourself.

The idea that this forum can take an a-political stance on the issue is a false dichotomy.    Where this trend towards the internet being a police-able place, and notably the idea that the internet should be policed for the interests of big business, is something that is growing,  these services can't continue to be provided for your use indefinitely without the people who run the forum using the capacity they have to get information out to browsers so that they know what is going on.

This isn't exactly the same as the admins issuing a decree about Palestine, or the potential of war with North Korea.  There's nothing to be gained in having a sulk about people wanting to protect the service they provide for you.
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Re: Political pop-up...
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2012, 06:07:15 PM »
... more over, provided free of charge and regardless of their own expense.

I think the actions taken were tasteful and wholly appropriate, simply justifiable by private circumstance - say nothing of the larger contexts.  Push back, at least from my perspective, lands on a crossroads of apathy and distrupted escapism...  I'd remind those the world continues spinning for better or worse, despite putting one's head in the sand (which we all occassionally do).  But then every so often, something comes along that garners attention rather than supporting the absurdity that doing nothing will maintain the same old thing and it will all work out.

Having received responses from my Senators and Congressmen, it seems 2/3 are pulling support away - at least under the promise of extensive revisions.  The numbers I've seen seem to average approximately 300,000 emails per representative in a short amount of time against the legislation.
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