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Right lads!
We had another great show last time, even despite some last minute relocation requirements... but in the end it worked out for the better!
As it is still early days and we are still in the process of putting everything together that information posted here is subject to change. Use this thread to register your interest and keep up to date with the planning.
When/where is it?:
so, the 11th tournament will be held on;
SUNDAY 19th AUGUST
The event will take place at Triple Helix Wargames (http://www.triplehelixwargames.co.uk) which has space for 40 gamers! (Potential to expand should there be demand)
Unit 3 Commerce Business Centre
Commerce Close
West Wilts Trading Estate
Westbury
Wiltshire
BA13 4LS
How to get there by car
Triple Helix is just a 5 minute drive from the A350 between Trowbridge and Westbury and only a 35 minute drive from Junction 17 of the M4.
To reach them by car coming from the North come off the M4 at junction 17 and head south on the A350 towards Chippenham. Follow the A350, signposted to Poole all the way until you pass a set of traffic lights in the village of West Ashton.
Follow the A350 down the hill towards Hawkeridge and Westbury. At the mini roundabout with the petrol station on go straight over. Go under the railway bridge and at the roundabout take the first exit. Follow this road for approx 1 mile. Turn right into the West Wilts Trading Estate. Take the first left into Commerce Close and immediately right into the car parking area. Triple Helix is the third building on the right hand side.
How to get there by train/bus
Westbury is a mainline station on the London Paddington to Exeter route, stopping at Reading, Newbury and Taunton. It is also on the mainline between Cardiff and Portsmouth stopping at Southampton, Salisbury and Bath.
Triple Helix is an 1 hour, 20 minute train journey from London and only 20 minutes from Bath. If you are coming at the weekend and may need to wait a while for a bus (we can arrange to pick people up from the station if needed)!
By bus the 264/265 which will drop you a 1 minute walk from the front door. This runs between Bath and Warminster hourly during the week and every 2 hours on the weekend. The bus also runs direct from Westbury train station.
Age Policy
As per THW policy, anyone between 12-16 needs to have completed a Parent form with signature in order to come unaccompanied. Contact us to get hold of one of these forms. Anyone under 12 must to be accompanied by a parent / guardian over 25.
What time?:
We are going to be looking for an early start... the earlier we start, the better! Don't worry, you will be able to grab hold of some coffee from the canteen there, and if travelling far then you can also consider overnight arrangements.
8:30 - 6:30pm.
The long day means that we can avoid having to rush any games and can take some of the stress out of the day!
How much?:
Tickets will be bought through Triple Helix Wargames and a link will be provided once tickets go on sale.
TICKET PRICE
£12.50per entry ticket.
PAYMENT: Any tickets not sold will be available to buy on the day, but will operate on a first come first serve basis. Triple Helix Wargames will be able to take payments for us online. More details will follow.
REFUNDS: Policy TBC
What will you need?:
- a full 1750pt army
- your army list
- your rulebook, codex and FAQ for your army
- Any additional Imperial Armour Publication detailing Forge World units in your army.
- dice & templates
- measuring tape
- glue (for field repairs)
- objective markers (for missions)
- money for lunch / packed lunch
- a good sense of humour!
- pen and paper (to keep track of points etc)
- a camera, to document the carnage (optional!)
The games:
The tournament will be over 4 games.
The format for these will be confirmed in a tournament pack which will follow. This pack will also detail all the games and rules etc.
The armies:
- your armies will need to be 1750pts
- non-codex print armies, such as armoured company / kroot mercenaries ARE ALLOWED! in all cases you MUST bring ALL the relevant rules in order to play with that army. HOWEVER, if you will be playing a non-codex print army, you must submit your final army list to us so we can check it and you will be given very clear instructions on what will be expected of you.
- Forge World IS allowed. you may use anything without structure or mass points as part of your army abiding by the forge world rules, and of course, you must bring those rules with you. if you wish to use a forge world army list (as opposed to just adding in units) then you may do so
- in all cases, the most up to date rules are to be used. This includes the Forge World Imperial Armour Apocalypse books.
- the forge world flyer rules will be used (not those from Apocalypse).
- the only exception is that, as per Apocalypse, Pintle Mounted Weapons will count as AA (anti-aircraft weapons) - this is to give some armies a fighting chance against flyers.
- your army does not need to be painted, but additional points will be awarded to those that are
- all armies and units must be "official", no VDR units will be used nor armies without official publications (codeces or otherwise). If you are unsure about your army then ask here first!
please look through the above, its all subject to change according to our concensus.
We will be using the 5th Edition 40k rules at this tournament.
We will be using the full 6th Edition 40k rules at this tournament.
Note that a new 40K rule set may (or may not) be released between now and the tournament... If this happens then we can decide as a community which edition to use.
The prizes:
This year, we hope to have ACTUAL prizes for, but not limited to, the top generals!
The overall winner will be determined throughout the course of the tournament... the scoring of which will be decided via an overly complicated and gizmotronic spread sheet developed by the devil himself.
Nearest Hotels
As mentioned, because of the early start some of you may want to consider overnight accomodation for the day before. The following are recommended on the Triple Helix Wargames website;
The Garden Hotel (http://www.thegardenhotel.co.uk)
Cedar Hotel (http://www.cedarhotel-wiltshire.co.uk)
Lopes Arms Hotel (http://www.lopesarmshotel.co.uk)
And a number of B&Bs recommended by Triple Helix:
The Old Pottery (http://www.theoldpottery.com)
Redwood Lodge (http://www.redwoodlodgeuk.com/contact.htm)
Crossways Guest House (http://www.crosswayswestbury.co.uk)
Angel Cottage (http://www.angel-cottage.co.uk)
Whos coming?
At the moment we are taking names for the interest list. As soon as tickets become open for sale we will first offer them to those on that list. Tickets will become available in the near future once we can confirm all details. Stay tuned
What I've forgotten:
lots probably...
AS OF 30/06/2012 WE HAVE SOLD 35 of 40 TICKETS
If you were on the interest list (I have a copy saved) then don't forget to buy your ticket using the link above. I will update with the full list of attendees once I get a reply from them confiring their (screen) names.
1- Zilverscale (Hayo)
2- Cpt_Lucifer (Graeme)
3- Marauder (Graeme+1)
4- m4rt0k (Richard)
5- (David)
6- Arquarian (John)
7- Killing Time (Alex)
8- Plastikente (Jonathan)
9- premetheus (Anthony)
10- (premetheus +1)
11- benis(Benjamin)
12- Lorizael
13- 666_mutley_666 (Denny)
14- "greg" (Denny +1)
15- Valar (Martyn)
16- Chuckles (Bart) < CONTACT USER IF YOU WANT TO BUY TICKET
17- (Graeme) << Is this you again Cpt Lucifer? You do know you have 3 tickets now right!?
18- Koval (Joseph)
19- (Jason)
20- Hymirl (Allan)
21- Changeyname (David) < CONTACT USER IF YOU WANT TO BUY TICKET
22- Ginzu (Steve)
23- Ginzu +1 (Sneezy)
24- Ginzu +2 (Sleepy)
25- Ginzu +3 (Dopey)
26- Ginzu +4 (Doc)
27- Ginzu +5 (Happy)
28- Ginzu +6 (Bashful)
29- Ginzu +7 (Grumpy)
30- Davinder (Davinder)
31- Unleash Mayhem (Tristan)
32- Unleash Mayhem +1
33- Andromidius (Matthew)
34- Erriond (Nick)
35- Gary
36- Gary +1
37- SeriousCallersOnly
38- tallerguy
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ill be coming again, as will my friend greg
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I'll be interested to attend this year, would be very cool to meet some fellow 40konliners. I am unsure if I can make it depending on what date it will eventually be but I raise a hesitant hand. :)
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Yes.
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Yes, mainly to put Killing Time in his rightful place :-)
Winner: First smack talk of the thread.
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Hell yes. I'm in.
And I think that we as a community should see if we can find Tarrin an even more un-optimised, underpowered and generally neglected army than he used last time.
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I'm in as long as the weekend does not coincide with Games Day Germany (which I'm 99% sure I'll be going to)
Edit: GD Germany is held on August 12th....so hope 40k tourny will not be on that date lol
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Im in again :)
I look forward to the potential new format (unless chris is too hung over to cope ;) :o )
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Im in again :)
maybe we should try and find a hotel a bit further away from the seagul matting orgy this time
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This year I have something very special in mind to make this the best tournament yet!
With that, I probably won't be playing but definitely sign up and get involved!
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Legalised sulliment?
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Hot naked chicks to roll our dice and clear away the dead toy soldiers?
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Okay, I've added peeps to the interest list.
Once details become more finalised I will be sending out pms to those who came to previous events but have not yet found this thread.
I am not sure if I will be playing in this years tournament, or helping g00gle5 out with keeping you guys in order. I think we drove him pretty insane last time and I'm not fond of the idea of putting him through all that again!
He has still been keeping his plans secret from me though!!
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Ah! Bottling out this year eh? :P
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Legalised sulliment?
Definitely, the right to claim sulliment for darkside play. May or may not be enshrined in the rules/points system.
Hot naked chicks to roll our dice and clear away the dead toy soldiers?
No. I have enough trouble concentrating as it is, when all I have to distract me is skinny geeks with experimental facial hair. No way I could play competitively with hot chicks.
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Thats ok SCO i can play with hot chicks for both of us ;)
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I'm in. Would like to know if last year was just a fluke. (Hint: It was)
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Looks like a really fun event, put me down for a place as long as dates don't clash.
Now I just need to make some enemies so I can have a grudge match :D
Looks around for someone funny looking to pick on.[suspicious][/suspicious]
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Looks around for someone funny looking to pick on.[suspicious][/suspicious]
Oh hi there...
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I want a piece of Chuckles! So if you are clown enough...
after we said we would try to get a game last year!
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So we did. Alright, I'm game. Now to manufacture an excuse for getting out of this game as well...
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Hi you can put me down for a place please.
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Hi you can put me down for a place please.
Done! I will be informing people before tickets go on sale to give everyone chance to get funds in order. Before then, you will all be informed of date etc.
Does anyone have any questions on things in the first post first?
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Chuckles says he can car pool again (assuming time off work) so I'll be signing up for a place, after doing so well last year....
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Hey dudes, any further news on fixing the date for this years gig?
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I'm available for all dates. Everybody write out which suit you best and we'll work off of that.
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12th or 19th as a preference
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I am up for this. :D
Jason, bristol vanguard.
I am not a ranker :D
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12th or 19th for me too :)
12th or 19th for greg also.
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I have no idea which of those dates I will be able to make.
Ideally it'll be decided early so I can book the day in advance.
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Same as killing time. I think 12th is when my girls are at camp so that maybe best.
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Can't tell this early which would be be best. I'll just wait till everyone else decides, then adjust my plans to fit.
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As said GD Germany is 12th so no go for that ate for me.
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any date is ok for me
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Interest registered! Thanks for the heads up Oink
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So far the best date seems to be 19th august.
That's fine with me and greg.
We both need to book time off from work asap, as do a few others I see.
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Tally-Ho I'm in!!
Now, which army to bring....
I can't believe I've been around for 10 years and this will be my first crack at the 40KOL tourny...
Sign me up!
Arq.
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I might try and make it for this, my sister lives close-ish so I can combine it with familial commitments as well.
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That is something I'd like to see. IainC's and Valar's models on the same table.
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Yup, I'll be there again. :D
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Having done a little forward planning I'd like to say that my preferred date is now also the 19th.
I could possibly squeeze in the others but that's definitely the best one.
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It's looking like the 19th will be a likely date... I just need g00gle5 to confirm some final bits with me (after all, we will need him to carry out his hap-hazard organisation on the day!)
I'll post the secured and finalised date as soon as I have it.
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It's looking like the 19th will be a likely date... I just need g00gle5 to confirm some final bits with me (after all, we will need him to carry out his hap-hazard organisation on the day!)
I'll post the secured and finalised date as soon as I have it.
Hope that it is soon cause my boss is pushing for my summer holiday application.
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Its gone rather quiet on this thread, do we have a date now?
Ive got holidays to book from work, and dates to tell the wife which i am or am not available.
Sorry to hassle but its becoming more urgent as the weeks slip by.
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Okay, I'm just awaiting confirmation from THW... if it is approved then the date will be Sunday the 19th August.
It's a pretty safe bet it'll be okay, but as said though - I need final confirmation from them before I'll post the set date in the first post.
EDIT: updated first post with confirmed date and price.
book your time off now!
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When and who do we start paying?
Very quiet on the thread this year.
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Payments will be made directly to THW once its all been finalised. I'm waiting on Chris who has been working on some stuff he seem very excited about. I'll need to adjust the tournament pack based on what he's coming up with. Unfortunately we're both quite busy so there's not a great amount of other time to keep you updated.
Nevertheless, you'll be told as soon as tickets are ready to go on sale.
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I would like to register my interest, although we'll have to see how money is looking when it's time to pay up - we just bought a house, and it's swallowing all of my hobby cash for the time being.
Being a tournament newbie, I have a few (possibly stupid) questions:
1) Do armies have to be painted?
2) I take it that we bring one list and play all games with that - no chopping and changing miniatures (or even armies!) between games?
3) Do we have to declare which forces we're going to bring in advance? My preference would be to bring my Tau (current hobby obsession) if I have the time / money to build them up to 1750 pts before August. Otherwise it will be Eldar / DE and I would be inclined to bring along whichever is least represented, if it's known in advance.
4) Do we have to declare our lists in advance / on the day?
Hmmm... can't think of anything else right now.
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Hi there. :)
FYI, a lot of these questions are answered in amongst all the blurb in the first post...
1) Do armies have to be painted?
No, but there will be extra tournament points available for the amount of painting giving people an incentive to play with fully painted armies.
2) I take it that we bring one list and play all games with that - no chopping and changing miniatures (or even armies!) between games?
One list to rule them all.
3) Do we have to declare which forces we're going to bring in advance? My preference would be to bring my Tau (current hobby obsession) if I have the time / money to build them up to 1750 pts before August. Otherwise it will be Eldar / DE and I would be inclined to bring along whichever is least represented, if it's known in advance.
This tournamant tends to be pretty relaxed about declaring lists in advance.
Just bring the army and the list on the day and it will be checked for legality over the course of the event by one of the organisers (probably g00gle5, probably under the influence of a hangover...)
4) Do we have to declare our lists in advance / on the day?
As above.
Hope you can make it.
It's always good to see new faces at the event.
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Good to have you aboard!
I think Killing Time got all the questions answered... but on the note of armies, what are people thinking of bringing along with them??
I'm torn between a number of mine. Space Marines (becuse I have never fielded them at this tourney) or the Tau! (shock horror!)
And of course, I'm not even sure if I'll be fighting it out this year anyway!!!
So, what are you guys thinking of bringing?
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If I get my chaos marines painted up to standard in time then I'll be bringing those, otherwise it'll be the Eldar as per usual.
So almost definitely Eldar :P
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Just curious, but has there ever been discussion on a North American 40konline tournament?
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Just curious, but has there ever been discussion on a North American 40konline tournament?
WE're just a group of gamers who just happen to speak on 40KOnline. It only takes one or two to be able to bring the whole thing together so tehre's very little reason why you couldn't set up a North American tournament! The biggest issue you face is distance I suppose!
I remember the very first tournament we done... there were like, only 6 of us. And its grown more and more over time. Last time we had 30 people. and this year there is scope for even more! We've moved all about the south of england, the first 8 or so were called the "london" tournament, but its been held in a number of locations since then!
I suggest you find out how many people on the forums live in and around your area so you can work out the potential for a tournament near you. Or, alternatively, you could come to the UK on holiday!
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I will bring something suitably bizarre and rarely seen.
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Hmm torn between 13th company, chaos mutated guard or my Tyrants Legion :)
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I will bring either the leviathan tyranids from last year, with some minor changes, or pure deathwing. Both are pretty much fully painted, just a couple of minis left on each, depends on how much I want to to get my ass kicked.
I've been playing the tyranid list almost unchanged for a few years, so might be nice to play something different. Reminds me, Is my converted fex-to-tervigon from last year still acceptable, or do I need to invest in the new model?
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Its game. This is not a GW event so we won't even expect you to have citadel only models... as long as its clear to people what is what then there's no major concern!
Of course, the new tervigon kit looks absolutely awesome, so I'm surprised you wouldn't want to get it anyway!
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Which army to use brings up a question.
I've got a Daemons army which is mounted on square bases so I can use it in both fantasy and 40k (a descision I've regreted since 8th came along ::)). Would I be able to use it in this event? It's a bit more random and fun than my BA army so I would prefer to bring it.
I've opened this discussion on the boards in the past and the general conscensious was that as the models came with the bases it was legal in a GW sense and that they don't really give an advantage/disadvantage either way.
I've used them in a tournament setting before and had no problems.
If not the daemons then I'll be cracking out the Blood Angels or maybe the Orks or Grey knights if I could paint them in time but 6 months doesn't seem long enough at my painting speed.
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Afternoon all!
Hungover on the day?Wellll, who knows....
Squared-based daemons are fine. I only ask that you are very courteous to your opponents and if there are situations where a few mms extra from round bases would make the difference, that you let your opponent have it.
I think all the other questions have been answered already?
I will definitely be organising only this year as I have many plans in the works to make this the best tournament yet. That means if you have come before and you had a blast, then come again and have an even better time! If you haven't come yet, then come find out why this tournament is going to be absolutely-freaking amazing. And if you are coming this year, then tell all your gaming buddies to come join you!
All will be revealed soon...
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Tau this year, with a due sense of trepidation.
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Tau this year, with a due sense of trepidation.
I fully expect to see an army with no less than 4 tetras from you... I'm still not convinced of this. After the pounding my Tau got from you the last time we played (I mean, who would have thought that 20 fire warriors, 10 kroot and an ionhead COULDN'T kill ten Sisters of battle??) I'm all open for seeing you do what I couldn't!!!
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Yep 4 tetras are in my list ;D
Toying with a 4 or two 2's at the mo.
Im bringing a rather left field list so it may take a few by surprise, or may fall flat on its face.
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i am looking at either Saim Hann or SoB depending on my mood.
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I'm going to bring Grey Knights because I like winning.
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Space Wolves for me. I expect to have a lot of fun and will likely be tabled in turn 3 of every game I play....
Aarroooooooow!!!!!
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Looks like no-one else has declared for the Dark Eldar yet, so maybe I should bring them. Certainly has the advantage that I've already got enough painted and ready to go. I do like Tau though and the tournament is a good excuse to buy/paint more.
Decisions, decisions...
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i'll be bringing
beardy space wolfs
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Spanking greg 3 times in one day has swung the wolves into favour then? Lol.
For the record mutley will change his mind at least a dozen times before the event!
And if the new CCSM comes out prior to the gig it will immediately surplant all others as his first choice.
Greg will be bringing one of 14!!! Yes that's 14 lists with him, which similarly will be surplanted by CCSM as with mutley!
You guys think you've got decisions to make!!!!!! Lmfao!
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I seem to go to these every three years or so. Its about time I went to another. I'd like to have a spot please!
Cheers!
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I'll be back with my non-mech Guard all going well, I may have to try an give myself a hangover to test if last year was just an uncharacteristic fluke, or if alcohol actually improves generalship. ::)
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Too many armies to choose from- I guess I'll go with whichever one is closest to fully painted when the day arrives...
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I'm going to (hopefully) bring something other than Tyranids this year.
Dramatic Chipmunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw#)
Probably Dark Eldar if I can get them together in time.
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Progress report.
Tickets will be going on sale very soon. You will be able to buy them through Triple Helix Wargames and I will let you all know as soon as they go on sale.
Perhaps bigger news is that g00gle5 has finally shared his proposals to make this tournament truly unique. It has nothing to do with special missions, sullied victories or interesting scoring changes. We've discussed things and they have the potential to change the way you experience this, and future tournaments.
Watch this space!
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It has nothing to do with special missions, sullied victories or interesting scoring changes.
Well that's Tarrin screwed then...
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It has nothing to do with special missions, sullied victories or interesting scoring changes.
Well that's Tarrin screwed then...
Oi! What are you suggesting?
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Oi! What are you suggesting?
We were all there, we all saw it... we know that you've made a damning pact with the dice gods and that your gaming soul is forever doomed. Judging by what I read about your recent khorne horde vs mechdar game it seems as though your evil overlords are at it again...
This will haunt me.
(https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi16.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb29%2Foink-pics%2F40Konline%252010%25202011%2FCIMG8549.jpg&hash=7c03786711a499befbf1c38f3a2dcd9c592daa1e)
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So I promised myself I would get an army together for this tournament this year and I've probably got about 1000points of marines sitting in my room at uni, but I haven't actually got enough money for the rest nor the inclination at the moment to start painting and converting those 1000pts. However, I'm due to be entering the world of the unemployed in 2 months, so you know what?
I'm in for next year, sorry guys. Although, I seriously am going to make it next year, like, try really really hard to make it.
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Pretty sure i can loan you an army Razyus. I have several painted forces to pick from.
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But a win using someone else's army has got to be a sullied victory!
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But a win using someone else's army has got to be a sullied victory!
Unless it's against the person who owns the army, in which case it counts double. ;)
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Razyu, seriously, your stuff doesn't even NEED to be painted. we give bonus points for fully painted forces to encourage it, but its not a demand! And, as mentioned, if you need some units to boost your army value then there are a number of us who would be okay with lending you stuff to get you playing.
I don't know where you are, but if you still don't want to play, then consider coming down and saying hi. We have no charge for visitors.
Just waiting to hear back from THW about them starting ticket sale. 'Cos of the long Zombie weekend it may take a little longer than expected...
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Unless it's against the person who owns the army, in which case it counts double.
Wouldn't be the first time Tarrin has been beaten by his own army.
There you go Rayzus, not only have you got an army, you've also won your first game.
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You guys! :-[
In fairness, it's slightly more complicated as it's my 21st that weekend as well-plus I don't think I've played a game in 4 years or so. But here we go, I'm going to endeavour to try and get some modelling done and reconsider in the near future.
Thanks for all the helpful offers though.
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So I will be bringing any army I can actually get my hands on painted......but hopefully I will be turning up with a random forgeworld inspired marine list full of stupid costed/rules units :-/
Sorry I meant cool models.
Could you also add a +1 for me and he will hopefully be bringing along his first ever army (just started playing) Imperial Guard.
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Ok guys after a quick tally, we have 10 confirmed armies and 17 possibles.
Of the 10 confirmed, 9 are imperial, 7 are spacemarines of one flavour or another, and only me with my tau are xeno's!
Come on folks I'm feeling a tad outnumbered here!!!
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All that means is the person that brings the eldar along will win the tournament... and any Tau player is pretty screwed (we both know that MEQ can be a struggle for Tau!)...
Basically, they are all trying to make you quit... (again)... :P
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I wold normally sport my Iyanden flavoured army if I hadn't just moved and put it in storage :'(
My Corsair army won't be ready in time which leaves me with Space Puppies or Khornite Warriors of Chaos :-\
Stupid fiance telling me I can only have 3 armies in the house >:(
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I'll be bringing Xenos - Tyranids. I'll be confirmed as soon as the date is confirmed (or is it already - did I miss something?)
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Yes, the date has been confirmed (first post) 19th August 2012 (Sunday).
I'm just waiting for Triple Helix Wargames to tell me they've put up the tickets for sale. So hopefully we can start buying them very soon. I'll let everyone know as soon as they go on sale so make sure you keep checking back on this post for updates.
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I'm uncertain what route is the best to take when it comes to airplane travel and armies but if I get to go I will most likely bring Tau or Chaos Space Marines, leaning towards Tau. It would be cool for someone to bring Necrons, I haven't seen much of them yet so it would be very interesting to see what they manage in a tournament.
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@ oink : Oi! I've only flounced off from 40k once you cheeky beggar ;-p
For that cheekiness I should challenge you!
However I've only challenged 1 person in this tourney, and he tabled me in 5 turns and went on to win the whole show with 4 tablings!
So I'm not going to give you the pleasure! :-p :-p :-p
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@ o:nk - your right on the money o:nk, popsical said he wasnt guna do anymore armies, i think his tau are the fifth army hes done since he "quit" 40k!
dont you go and think that i've forgotten that you beat my bikes 5 years ago! I CHALLENGE YOU!
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I was waiting for you to chime in lol.
3rd army actually! Nids, custodes and tau :-p
I realised that if I sold all my old "fluffy" armies, and replaced them with cheesier ones, I stood an earthly chance against the three cheese amigo's who tailored their armies to wipe me off the board lol.
So pooh to you with knobs on! ;-)
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Wait, fluffy armies don't win tournies? :-\
So pooh to you with knobs on! ;-)
Great BA quote ;)
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Wait, fluffy armies don't win tournies? :-\
they do if you build the cheesist list going then think of a way to say its fluffy. popsical did it with his gay knights!
I was waiting for you to chime in lol.
3rd army actually! Nids, custodes and tau :-p
sisters, nids, eldar, gay knights and tau. then theres the fantasy armies... lol
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Sold the eldar, sisters before quitting :P the harlies got shelved then sold to you too.
And i never said i was quitting "wargaming" just 40k :P
However i still love the game so back i came :)
I still get brutalised by you lot tho, as i cant vary my lists as my armies are only 1750 each, then you lot just tailor and clobber ::)
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Just a quick rules wise question O:nk...FW stuff allowed but no structure or mass points.
So flyers are allowed and Gargantuan creatues (seeing as they do not have mass points ;D)??? ::)
As to which army to bring...hmm maybe Chaos Guard/Armoured Company or Tyrants Legion :)
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Just a quick rules wise question O:nk...FW stuff allowed but no structure or mass points.
So flyers are allowed and Gargantuan creatues (seeing as they do not have mass points ;D)??? ::)
As to which army to bring...hmm maybe Chaos Guard/Armoured Company or Tyrants Legion :)
I'm not actually familiar with the intricacies of the current gargantuan creature rules... will have to check these up in my FW books at home. Pretty sure they basically cover what used to be stuff with mass points so I'll see what the rules say. but... initially NO.
As for flyers, yes, flyers are allowed. the pack also notes that any pintle mounted weapons automatically have the AA rule as per the apocalypse book (hit on normal BS). In addition, the eldar firestorm and tau sky ray also have the AA rule. If you guys think this should be applied to other units then make your case here.
Note that the Hydra should not have it on account of the fact it already has a particular rule for taking on fast movers etc... (and its crazy cheap as it is already!)
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Hmm if memory serves me right the Whirlwind has a non blast marked missile mode.
I think it should be AA mount for that mode.
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I think you may be talking about the Helios pattern launcher which is (if memory serves correctly) a dedicated AA mount and not a mode a 'normal' Whirlwind can adopt.
Don't have the book with me (at work ::) ) so don't shoot me if I'm wrong.
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Pg 79 Codex Space Marines 5th edition lists both Vengeance and Incendiary Castelan Missiles as Ordinance Blasts. Furthermore, I can't find the Helios pattern launcher as an upgrade in the codex (as I thought, but double checked), so it may well be a dedicated AA variant.
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Hey,
Had not seen this had gone up. Please sign me up!
Guess I shall bring my bikes as I swore I would after last years outing.
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Welcome aboard M4rtok! good to have you back!
also, the Marines have got a dedicated AA in the form of the FW pattern. However, they are less than troubled on account of the fact that pretty much all of their vehicles have, or have access to pintle mounted weapons.
You'll note that the eldar and tau don't - which is why their "dedicated" AA cover should really be given the AA rule to help avoid a skewing caused by people taking flyers against them. (it still means they need to field those units, but its better than nothing!)
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Glad I spotted / was told about this in time. Was awesome good fun last year, sign me up please!
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You two remember that this is just an interest list and that you should keep checking this thread as I'll tell everyone as soon as tickets go up on sale. THW was closed over the easter weekend so hopefully its going to take a bit of time for them to sort through their "to do".
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I have to say, having been on the receiving end of flyers before, the current AA rules really disadvantage Eldar.
At least the Tau Sky Ray is a fairly common sight in normal take all comer armies.
Unless I field a firestorm, I have no defense against flyers at all.
Since the firestorm is basically rubbish at anything else I'd be stupid to take it unless I am sure I will be facing flyers in every game, and anyway I don't want to buy one and shouldn't have to. I suggest we need to find some sort of compromise.
I was vocally anti-forgeworld last year as you may remember. But I was pleasantly surprised in the end.
However, I still have nightmares about being violated up the bottom by Tarrin's Remora the year before, and without any AA defense I would be totally screwed if it happened again.
Giving pintle mounts the AA rule is great for Imperial armies who have stormbolters and stubbers out the wazoo. Those of us who don't will struggle.
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I think we should probably wait for the rules pack to come out before we start along the road of unit and rules exception, no?
And yes, the Helios is the Forgeworld weapon option I was refering to.
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Of course, but I wrote the pack and know whats in it! (pretty much teh same as last years one to be honest... with additional mention of Tarrins sullied victories of course.
See, this is what i'm talking about... nasty remora bottom burping and then dice god soul eating shenanigans! this cannot be allowed to continue!
The thing with eldar is they get an in-built defence in teh form of volume of mid strength fire. Scatter lasers, shuriken cannons and starcannons all provide a mass of gunfire which are perfect for bringing down pretty much all flyers (bear in mind that bombers are out of bounds given they have structure points and pretty much everything left has AV 10 or 11). The shorter range of their guns is also mitigated by their higher mobility.
There are armies that are far worse off... I remember g00gle5 desperately trying to get is Necrons to deal with my Tau Barracuda!
In any case, I'm pretty certain that I am the only guy who has ever brought along a flyer (and on more than one occassion at that!) so I suppose that should be referred to as "the rule of oink".
I think that, for the most part (popsical excluded) we are not out for creating beardy armies to come along with so people insert one, maybe two sensible (and cool) forgeworld units and have fun with it.
On that note I do have one thing to say which I came across from Maelstrom Games (in particular reference to their pre heresy weekends). They initially had a bunch of people coming along with regular plastic drop pods and using the (rather nasty) dreadnought assault drop pod rules from FW. They then imposed a rule that noted that if you wanted to use the FW assult pod then you must use the FW model to represent it (or a suitable look-a-like conversion) - not simply take a buff offered by the rules!
I'm keen to also dictate this as a way to further deterring people from simply taking powerful units for rules advantages without having the decency to use appropriate models.
What do you guys think on that?
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I'm keen to also dictate this as a way to further deterring people from simply taking powerful units for rules advantages without having the decency to use appropriate models.
What do you guys think on that?
that seems like a sensible idea, as the tournament already enforces wysiwygI have to say, having been on the receiving end of flyers before, the current AA rules really disadvantage Eldar.
At least the Tau Sky Ray is a fairly common sight in normal take all comer armies.
Unless I field a firestorm, I have no defense against flyers at all.
Since the firestorm is basically rubbish at anything else I'd be stupid to take it unless I am sure I will be facing flyers in every game, and anyway I don't want to buy one and shouldn't have to. I suggest we need to find some sort of compromise.
I was vocally anti-forgeworld last year as you may remember. But I was pleasantly surprised in the end.
However, I still have nightmares about being violated up the bottom by Tarrin's Remora the year before, and without any AA defense I would be totally screwed if it happened again.
Giving pintle mounts the AA rule is great for Imperial armies who have stormbolters and stubbers out the wazoo. Those of us who don't will struggle.
dont forget that flyers reduce the range of your guns. so having 12 inch storm bolters that still need 6's to glance isn't really that great...
the only armies that should really be nefed by flyers are the grey knights and the necrons and they dont have the range to shoot them down
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Of course, but I wrote the pack and know whats in it! (pretty much teh same as last years one to be honest... with additional mention of Tarrins sullied victories of course.
Bully for you but a bit restrictive for us, especially us new scroats who didn't go last year.... :-\
I'm keen to also dictate this as a way to further deterring people from simply taking powerful units for rules advantages without having the decency to use appropriate models.
What do you guys think on that?
that seems like a sensible idea, as the tournament already enforces wysiwyg
I thought WISIWYG was standard in any game! The ocasional "This plasma gun is actually a meltgun" you can get away with but (and I've seen this) "This Rhino is really a batttle wagon" is a joke.
Your rule is fair and firm.
Just to confirm, the Flyer rules from Apoc are being used, right?
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Oi! I had no forge world last year!
The list was more than a little cheesy I will admit tho :-)
This year I will be forge worlding with 3 units but no flyers.
Tau marker lights shouldn't lose distance versus flyers, as light doesn't drop off at range.
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I believe they are still the most up to date ones. yes, though please correct me if I'm wrong on that.
Also on that note, any non-codex units (including flyers) must always use the most up to date rules. This is important because there are a number of units that have had several rules prints.
As usual, you must also bring along the relevant rules you need for your army... So, if you wanted to bring a flyer for example you may need to bring the rules publication (or print out), the apocalypse rules for flyers as well as any associated FAQ.
If in doubt of what book has the most up to date rules for a unit you want to use then ask here.
also poppy... everything loses distance, but consider it as being even more difficult to pinpoint your target as at those distances you can't even see where your laser dot is!!
As mentioned, I doubt if anyone is even bringing along flyers anyway... its not something you see very often mostly because the flyers themselves tend to be prohibitively expensive for what they bring, and your army has to generally be tailored specifically to fit them in for best effect.
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Just teasing ;-p
Flyers don't worry me tbh, I fought tarrins with my nids, it just forces you to close the distance faster and get into assault.
Once in assault your safe and they become pretty redundant.
Looking forward to this year as ever, best tourney around imho.
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Great O:nk
Thanks for the general clear up. Kinda wishing I hadn't packed away Gerald my Wraithseer. ::)
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I'm in, last year was great, but do I take the Eldar, or World eaters???
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Of course, but I wrote the pack and know whats in it! (pretty much teh same as last years one to be honest... with additional mention of Tarrins sullied victories of course.
Bully for you but a bit restrictive for us, especially us new scroats who didn't go last year.... :-\
I'm keen to also dictate this as a way to further deterring people from simply taking powerful units for rules advantages without having the decency to use appropriate models.
What do you guys think on that?
that seems like a sensible idea, as the tournament already enforces wysiwyg
I thought WISIWYG was standard in any game! The ocasional "This plasma gun is actually a meltgun" you can get away with but (and I've seen this) "This Rhino is really a batttle wagon" is a joke.
i've seen players try to use gaurdsmen as terminators before...
The list was more than a little cheesy I will admit tho :-)
its was full on mature cheddar mr rip van winkle!
I'm in, last year was great, but do I take the Eldar, or World eaters???
well that would depend whether or the chaos get a new book before the event...
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Not on the list yet and limited places....
SIGN ME UP PLEASE!!!
Added volume through CAPSLOCK ;D Dont want to miss out as was awesome last year...
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i've seen players try to use gaurdsmen as terminators before...
I think in this case your actually allowed to point and laugh.
well that would depend whether or the chaos get a new book before the event...
Or indeed the Eldar!!
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Our interest list is pretty chocked now consdiering that I'd expect Col.Gravis to bring along his merry band of winners. I've removed myself and g00gle5 from this because its looking less likely that we will both be playing! I'll probably act as a floater (in the sense that I'll jump in if numbers are odd... rather than stare up at you from the bog during your toilet breaks).
with most of the official places looking like they will be filled (though it depends on whether you guys actually purchase the tickets!!!) g00gle3 and I will be considering increasing the number places as THW has a little bit more capacity if I think we can fill it!!!
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In regards to Forgeworld- I think it would be fair for players to state in advance which FW units/rules they'll be using so those of us with little or no experience of FW can look them up and not spend entire games being constantly surprised by the brokeness...
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Sooo.. sign me up! And Hawiianzombie too, I will make him come! It has been way too long.
Maybe if I start writing a list now I will get it all painted in time...
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Are we suppose to submit our army lists publicly here prior to the event?
Also I haven't had the chance to review the new Cron codex so do we stop people using them or do we make them submit their army list in full so we aren't surprised by any new tricks....
Seems a bit silly to me.
I would think you either accept FW models into the game or you don't. I don't think its right to clause certain models or units.
It seems to me we're cherry picking rules from across the GW pantheon, we've already discussed flyers so its seems perfectly acceptable to me to have FW models and units.
For me they add another dimension to the game. I personally won't be using any but I'm not going to begrudge anyone I face with any so long as they do so properly and fairly. See Dreadnought drops as discussion below.
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I agree with previous post about declaring forge world units,
however most forgeworld units are broken in the wrong sense as in the rules are usually worse and cost lots of points!
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Are we suppose to submit our army lists publicly here prior to the event?
Also I haven't had the chance to review the new Cron codex so do we stop people using them or do we make them submit their army list in full so we aren't surprised by any new tricks....
Seems a bit silly to me.
I would think you either accept FW models into the game or you don't. I don't think its right to clause certain models or units.
It seems to me we're cherry picking rules from across the GW pantheon, we've already discussed flyers so its seems perfectly acceptable to me to have FW models and units.
For me they add another dimension to the game. I personally won't be using any but I'm not going to begrudge anyone I face with any so long as they do so properly and fairly. See Dreadnought drops as discussion below.
this happened last year, there was a "heated" debate about it which ended in people being given warnings and getting banned for periods of time, not mentioning any names *cough* 'popsical' *cough* *cough*
so long as people bring all the rules for a unit it shouldnt take long for you to familarise yourself with the rules. although i think if someone is using a forgeworld list it would be common coutersty to let others know
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This debate comes and goes every year, with the same arguement and result.
I'm not going down that oft trod road again, move on folks :-)
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Two of the armies I played last year contained forgeworld kit: Greg's (I think) Orks, which were almost entirely forgeworld (best game I played all day, loads of fun) and Killing Time's eldar Warp Hunter, which scared the bejeezus out of me and had to be taken down at all costs.
The most whinging I've heard has been about Oink's Cheese Drill and Tarrin's Invisible Flying Shoot-You-Up-The-Arse Drones
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I freely admit to getting quite heated last year about forgeworld, due to previous bad experiences against highly unbalanced units.
That said, I played against them last year and was happy enough, so I don't have a problem with them at all any more.
I even borrowed a Warp Hunter for the day and was blown away by how totally ineffective it was in three out of four games.
My only concern are flyers (actually, Tarrin's flyers to be precise), and I still believe the rules could use some balancing if they're going to be allowed in a tournament environment.
I appreciate the likelihood of meeting one is slim, but that won't make it any easier to take if you get shafted by one.
Anyway.
As Popsical said, this road had already been traveled. I'm certainly not going to call for a blanket ban.
The most whinging I've heard has been about Oink's Cheese Drill and Tarrin's Invisible Flying Shoot-You-Up-The-Arse Drones
Both by me.
The cheese drill is about as underwhelming as the Warp Hunter in reality.
However, everything about Tarrin is unfair and should be sanctioned with extreme prejudice.
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Lol probably true about tarrin, those bloody tsons with invulnerable saves!
Greg was quite stunned by how poorly he finished with an almost pure FW list, but he still really enjoyed the games, and wouldn't mind another crack at Lor I think.
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There will not be a pre-requisite for people to say what FW units they will be bringing. People can do if they want - and in some cases it might be particularly useful as a way of discussing some ambiguous rules.
I discussed the cheese drill with g00gle5 before finally deciding to bring it as there is a lot of ambiguity and potential mis-interpretation in the rules. So by discussing it we were able to come to a fair conclusion and I was able to explain the rules with confidence and consistency before games.
It is also a prime example of a unit that looks awesomely broken on paper, but in reality is pretty well balanced.
I think that is true of most FW units to be honest. As Premetheus points out, they are usually overcosted. There are a number of previously FW models that are now in codexes and cost far less!!!
If someone is bringing an entirely FW list then they are also not bound to tell anyone beforehand. Again, as above, they can tell us that they want to bring, say ... a dread mob or siege assault list. but just out of courtesy really and they will not have to reveal their list.
In short, the tournament provides "prior approval" for FW units and lists.
Remember that the tournament also allows people to seek approval for "non-official" codex rules. Such as 40KOnlines harlequin codex used by popsical a few years ago... but others might include say, a Kroot or exodite army list. If you want to use this then you MUST seek prior approval and you will be required to submit your army list and the codex rules so they can be assessed for fairness before being allowed to use them.
other than that though, you will need to prepare army lists to hand in on teh day. g00gle5 and I are discussing some other options for handling armies and lists from an organisation point of view but for now you won't have to worry about that.
Also, great to have you back Erriond!
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A couple of us booked some table at Triple Helix on the Saturday last year. I am planning on doing the same again this year if I can.
Does anyone fancy joining?
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It sounds like the voices of sense and reason are in charge and I hail them!
M4rt0k, saturday warm up games sounds like a good idea. considering I'll be coming from London it makes sense to travel the day before and make a weekend of it.
Book me in on a provisional basis.
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However, everything about Tarrin is unfair and should be sanctioned with extreme prejudice.
Yoink!
I go away for a few days and the thread is full of "Tarrin is a nasty man" posts. ;D
I do admit the Remora is a little silly. As a skimmer it would be lovely but a stealth field with flyer rules and 36" guns and the specialised seeker missile rules it does makes it horrible if used right. They are pretty expensive though and the models are just gorgeous.
I agree with Oink that the cheese drill is sick on paper but after playing it i consider it less worse than things like the doom and marbo.
Anyway you wont be seeing any of that silliness this year as it currently looks like i will have to pull out!
My summer teaching schedules have come in and combined with my Ex-wifes movements it means i will have to have my girls over that weekend. My folks are away so i can't sort babysitters either. Sadly the only free weekend i have is the one before (12th) :-(
I will try to see if i can sort this out but at the moment it looks like i am a No!
If i can't i am sure i will monitor the obvious high levels of sulliment for afar.
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However, everything about Tarrin is unfair and should be sanctioned with extreme prejudice.
[gmod]The Globals have issued a 2:1 ruling that yes, yes everything about Tarrin is indeed unfair. We have also been sullied merely by contemplating this.[/gmod]
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A couple of us booked some table at Triple Helix on the Saturday last year. I am planning on doing the same again this year if I can.
Does anyone fancy joining?
i'd be up for that
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However, everything about Tarrin is unfair and should be sanctioned with extreme prejudice.
The Globals have issued a 2:1 ruling that yes, yes everything about Tarrin is indeed unfair. We have also been sullied merely by contemplating this.
Hehe. You guys... 8)
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Sad to hear that tarrin, hope you get things sorted and make the tourney.
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Ditto
Would be a real shame if you can't make it.
(if for no other reason than to keep the overall levels of sulliment up and thus make everyone else look better...)
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amphetamine parrot, I'll have to travel up on my own.
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Could I have a plus one please?
My brother has asked me to register his interest as he is currently unable to do so himself...
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(if for no other reason than to keep the overall levels of sulliment up and thus make everyone else look better...)
Don't the historical records state that there are always two - the Sully Lord and its Apprentice? If Tarrin is unable to perform arrive at the event who shall be his Apprentice?
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I may have a fix. Give me a couple days and I will know for definite. It's a wild plan and may just work.
I really want to come if only to ensure that the standard of the gaming is raised by my presence and not lowered. Someone has to balance the sinister ways of Killing Time et al and only someone as pure and unsullied as myself can do this. :P
Seriouscallersonly,
Final Justice?
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Could I have a plus one please?
My brother has asked me to register his interest as he is currently unable to do so himself...
Of course!
But remember (and this goes for everyone) the list on teh first post is purely an interest list (helps us work out organisation and demand). Once tickets go on sale you will need to buy your tickets and presence on the interest list does not guarantee a spot. What it does do though, is make sure that you've posted in this thread so when I post saying that the tickets will be going on sale you'll be notified and can get ready to buy...
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A question about Flyers...
In IA11, Eldar Nightwings and Phoenixes are listed with the note "In games of Apocalypse the Nightwing/Phoenix is a flyer". I take it that they will therefore be treated as flyers in the tournament?
On a similar note, Dark Eldar Razorwings and Voidravens also have the Deep Strike, Aerial Assault and Supersonic special rules, and are clearly described in the fluff as being aircraft, however they have no note to say that they are ever treated as flyers. Will they just remain as skimmers in the tournament?
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I may have a fix. Give me a couple days and I will know for definite. It's a wild plan and may just work.
I really want to come if only to ensure that the standard of the gaming is raised by my presence and not lowered. Someone has to balance the sinister ways of Killing Time et al and only someone as pure and unsullied as myself can do this.
Seriouscallersonly,
Final Justice?
Do your damndest sir. I'll be visiting my bro this afternoon, I'll see if I can convince him to sign up. Did Bethor express an interest too?
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On the flyer front, where can we find the most up to date rules for them in standard 40k?
Ive got them on page 202 of IA9, are these correct?
Just want to know what i may face.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the aircraft rules in IA vol.9 are exactly the same as the ones form the apocalypse rule book (FW adjusted their ones to match a standard).
Also, vehicles are only a flyer if their unit type is Flyer. So the DE jets are simply Fast Skimmers as per their codex rules.
The rules system is not supposed to give any unit an advantage or disadvantage but simply allow people to use FW units that they may not normally be able to (such as eldar nightwings or lightning strike jets)...
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The flyer rules in IA:V9 are the same as in Apoc II. IA:V10 and IA:V11 did not include the flyer appendix.
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On another note I'm heading to this from Liverpool or bracknell depending on my plus 1, anyone want to share some petrol?
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Time to bring out the inner pedant...
The Nightwing and Phoenix Rules in IA11 make them fast skimmers, like the DE aircraft. The one exception is the note that they count as a flyer in Apocalypse games. Tournament games are not Apocalypse games, but do allow flyers, so how will the Nightwing and Phoenix be played?
Also, if I bring my DE (backup plan if I don't have 1750pts of Tau painted in time), do I have any access to AA weapons? I can't see anything in the codex or IA books I have, although I don't own a copy of any of the Apocalypse expansions (GW or FW).
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Tournament games are not Apocalypse games, but do allow flyers, so how will the Nightwing and Phoenix be played?
They'll be skimmers as you're playing a 40K game and not Apoc. That this tourny allows flyers does not mean the flyer rule is automatically engaged as default.
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Would it be possible to at least know which IA books will be being used by people? So at least players can find a copy to take a look at and be vaguely prepared.
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Would it be possible to at least know which IA books will be being used by people? So at least players can find a copy to take a look at and be vaguely prepared.
Not quite sure how that would even remotely help you! hah! I could say that I'll use IA Vol3 but that could mean I'll be bringing an alternative turret for a hammerhead... or some kroot riders!? If I said I was using IA vol 9 then I could be bringing a SM special character for my army, or a Tyrant Guard army!?
As already mentioned, some people don't have experience against some things... say, witch hunters, but thats not to say that they should be told that someone will be using them just so that some book reading can be done!
In any case, one of the things that g00gle5 and I have been chatting about might help to sidestep some of these concerns...
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In any case, one of the things that g00gle5 and I have been chatting about might help to sidestep some of these concerns...
Grrr. stop keeping us in suspense!
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lol
Well O:nk & Google gave me the go ahead for my army at least :)
(No not going to tell you which it will be a surprise :P )
Not that I'm expecting to get anywhere within the top 20 places :o
Now to get some of those chaps and beasties painted ::)
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Would it be possible to at least know which IA books will be being used by people? So at least players can find a copy to take a look at and be vaguely prepared.
I shall be using units from:
Codex Tau empire
IA apocalypse (second edition)
IA apocalypse 2
IA3 FW update FAQ
Hope that helps ;D Happy reading.
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Would it be possible to at least know which IA books will be being used by people? So at least players can find a copy to take a look at and be vaguely prepared.
I shall be using units from:
Codex Tau empire
IA apocalypse (second edition)
IA apocalypse 2
IA3 FW update FAQ
Hope that helps ;D Happy reading.
popsical cherry picking to try and make as dirty an army as he can with a tau army!?!
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popsical cherry picking to try and make as dirty an army as he can with a tau army!?!
Maxing out his potential for sullied victories.
Mutley, soon soon...
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popsical cherry picking to try and make as dirty an army as he can with a tau army!?!
Oi! S'not dirty!!! :o
Maxing out his potential for sullied victories.
Oi!!!!! S'not sullied neither! :o
Mutley, soon soon...
Those drop pods i presume? Very very sullied ;)
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Would it be possible to at least know which IA books will be being used by people? So at least players can find a copy to take a look at and be vaguely prepared.
Not quite sure how that would even remotely help you! hah! I could say that I'll use IA Vol3 but that could mean I'll be bringing an alternative turret for a hammerhead... or some kroot riders!? If I said I was using IA vol 9 then I could be bringing a SM special character for my army, or a Tyrant Guard army!?
As already mentioned, some people don't have experience against some things... say, witch hunters, but thats not to say that they should be told that someone will be using them just so that some book reading can be done!
In any case, one of the things that g00gle5 and I have been chatting about might help to sidestep some of these concerns...
Bah! ::)
I just like to be prepared. It's frustrating to have an army which is balanced and fares well against the Codices, and then have a spanner thrown in because of some random unit that I've never seen (or sometimes heard of) before.
I don't think I even own any models that can count as AA.
With the Codices at least I've (and most others) have played against them all, or if not it's easy to check out the book as they're readily available to have a flick through in a local GW.
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I will be limiting myself to units from the following books:
- Codex: Grey Knights
- Warhammer Armies: Fishmen of the Lustrous Deep
- The Very Hungry Caterpillar
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Would it be possible to at least know which IA books will be being used by people? So at least players can find a copy to take a look at and be vaguely prepared.
Not quite sure how that would even remotely help you! hah! I could say that I'll use IA Vol3 but that could mean I'll be bringing an alternative turret for a hammerhead... or some kroot riders!? If I said I was using IA vol 9 then I could be bringing a SM special character for my army, or a Tyrant Guard army!?
As already mentioned, some people don't have experience against some things... say, witch hunters, but thats not to say that they should be told that someone will be using them just so that some book reading can be done!
In any case, one of the things that g00gle5 and I have been chatting about might help to sidestep some of these concerns...
Bah! ::)
I just like to be prepared. It's frustrating to have an army which is balanced and fares well against the Codices, and then have a spanner thrown in because of some random unit that I've never seen (or sometimes heard of) before.
I don't think I even own any models that can count as AA.
With the Codices at least I've (and most others) have played against them all, or if not it's easy to check out the book as they're readily available to have a flick through in a local GW.
well i've been to 5 of these tournaments and i've only seen 2 flyers there, so i dont think there much cause for concern. unless one of us here deciedes to take an army of flyers just to wind up everyone who keeps going going on about lack off AA :P
popsical cherry picking to try and make as dirty an army as he can with a tau army!?!
Oi! S'not dirty!!! :o
stop lying!
Maxing out his potential for sullied victories.
Oi!!!!! S'not sullied neither! :o
yes it is popsical
Mutley, soon soon...
Those drop pods i presume? Very very sullied ;)
no im not using any drop pods so poo to you with knobs on!
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So, I know I've said I'm not going this year, but I think Lor has a point-
It's about what any given player can reasonably be expected to have knowledge of. That's why I think it is disanalogous to never having faced witch hunters. Those rules are available, pretty freely in stores, and some knowledge isn't outside of what you could expect. Yet, to keep up to date with all of the Forgeworld rules requires a much larger personal cost (if you buy the rulebook or in the opportunity cost of hunting them down) and it strikes me as a way to slow down games if people aren't at least superficially up to date on the rules.
I'd say that if you want to bring a unit from The Very Hungry Caterpillar you can be more than welcome, but tell everyone what it is or at least it's in there, so that if people can, they can look up the rules.
Razyus
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As someone who has used flyers in this event before I'd say that there is a reason I tend NOT to bring them. Apart from the fact they tend to be pretty expensive for the force (and can only ever provide fire support) they suffer from the fact that anything can shoot them down!
Sitting out in view every single time pretty much any weapon has the potential drop them out of the sky. The fact that some armies find this more difficult (such as necrons or dark eldar) is offset by the fact that it is crazy scary to see imperial guard armies packed with hydras... and you take the risk of getting pwned utterly and having your day ruined!!
Add to this that they might not turn up until half way through the game and you can be pretty certain that the only army with a secure way of fielding flyers is probably actually the tau, eldar or guard (and these all involve ensuring your army also has a dedicated reserves bonus)
In any case, if it makes you feel any better lor, popsical is probably using a TX42 piranha with fusions (because it costs the same as a regular piranha with fusions but is way better), a XV9 Hazard suit, (because its sexy... probably with cascades), and at least two tetras (because they are mad laser pointers!)
Also, g00gle5, can we hold iain to using a unit from the very hungry catepillar!?
Finally, GW stores (and stores in general) are not libraries. You will only have knowledge of the different armies if you own all the books, or have borrowed them from a library! You are NOT expected to have knowledge of any opposing armies (and this is true of all tournaments). This is why you bring your own army rules to a tournament and not every single army book. That you have knowledge is an advantage to you, but is not a necessity and definately not expected.
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@ Mutley having seen your preliminary list for this year, you are one to talk of sullied armies lol. Yours is not only sullied, its downright soiled!
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@ Mutley having seen your preliminary list for this year, you are one to talk of sullied armies lol. Yours is not only sullied, its downright soiled!
I hear a challenge brewing.
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...they suffer from the fact that anything can shoot them down!
Not if they have a stealth field :-)
I have only ever brought one flyer and that was for flavour not for gain.
This tourney is about fun and taking some different stuff. You don't have to take the latest dirt to win it. You can do pretty well with basic stuff. My 1k sons did well last year despite their so-called handicap.
It doesnt take much to look at a unit and decide whether it will upset folk, or cause sulliment. It's up to your own judgement, and that's how it should be.
As for rules. You have every right to ask to see the rules for something you don't understand or have never seen, before the game. Then you adapt. Part of the fun of this game is playing different stuff and adpating your tactics to fighting those things.
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@ Mutley having seen your preliminary list for this year, you are one to talk of sullied armies lol. Yours is not only sullied, its downright soiled!
no worse than your gay knights...
In any case, if it makes you feel any better lor, popsical is probably using a TX42 piranha with fusions (because it costs the same as a regular piranha with fusions but is way better), a XV9 Hazard suit, (because its sexy... probably with cascades), and at least two tetras (because they are mad laser pointers!)
i think the number of tetras you mentioned is a bit short lol
@ Mutley having seen your preliminary list for this year, you are one to talk of sullied armies lol. Yours is not only sullied, its downright soiled!
I hear a challenge brewing.
im guessing you missed the post where i challenged you for beating my bikes in my first of these tournaments....
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Any more than two and you're asking for trouble... moreso in a single unit of 4 (seeing as your other fast slots are filled). Still... this will be interesting to see...
also, Mutley, I assume that challenge was for popsical... sounds like he might still be shirking accepting it!
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@mutley. History man thats history :D
@oink. The challenge was for you. Ive seen mutleys list and frankly dont fancy my chances with tau of any flavour lol.
My list this year will be unusual and may or may not be much copp.
But it will be unique.
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Not certain I'll be playing this time around. Might have to remain free for organisational aid... I'll probably act as a filler if we end up with an odd number of participants unless g00gle5 wants to (he hasn't had the chance to participate in one of these for a few years now!)
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Any more than two and you're asking for trouble... moreso in a single unit of 4 (seeing as your other fast slots are filled).
also, Mutley, I assume that challenge was for popsical... sounds like he might still be shirking accepting it!
don't you remember beating me, you managed to get one of your tanks into my deployment zone and my commander couldn't hit the bloody thing!
@mutley. History man thats history :D
no grudge is to small! :P
@oink. The challenge was for you. Ive seen mutleys list and frankly dont fancy my chances with tau of any flavour lol.
that not Necessarily the list i will be taking!
My list this year will be unusual and may or may not be much copp.
But it will be unique.
unique in its cheddary beardiness!
Not certain I'll be playing this time around.
*makes chicken noises*
I'll probably act as a filler if we end up with an odd number of participants unless g00gle5 wants to (he hasn't had the chance to participate in loose one of these for a few years now!)
i have corrected that statement for you ;)
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BREAKING NEWS!
Tickets will go on sale TOMORROW being 18th April 2012.
you will be able to buy them directly from the triple helix wargames website.
Triple Helix Wargames (http://www.triplehelixwargames.co.uk)
As soon as I get the direct page link I will post that too.
Edited with todays actual date on account of an inability to read calendars...
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This will be my first foray and I do hope this element of 'fun' is exemplified with sideline awards such as;
- Greatest Cheadary Beardy list
- Most embassing single combat defeat
- Insane herosism of a single model
- IC most kills (the John Rambo award)
- Assassins award, Most killed IC's
etc, etc, so on and so forth....
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This will be my first foray and I do hope this element of 'fun' is exemplified with sideline awards such as;
- Greatest Cheadary Beardy list
- Most embassing single combat defeat
- Insane herosism of a single model
- IC most kills (the John Rambo award)
- Assassins award, Most killed IC's
etc, etc, so on and so forth....
it would be unfair to have a - Greatest Cheadary Beardy list
award as popsical would win it hands down!
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This will be my first foray and I do hope this element of 'fun' is exemplified with sideline awards such as;
- Greatest Cheadary Beardy list
- Most embassing single combat defeat
- Insane herosism of a single model
- IC most kills (the John Rambo award)
- Assassins award, Most killed IC's
etc, etc, so on and so forth....
it would be unfair to have a - Greatest Cheadary Beardy list
award as popsical would win it hands down!
I just wanted to use the term "Cheadary Beardy list" I like it 8)
Good news about the tickets! and good news that they do PayPal!!
Now, I need to find a place to stay and a lift......
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This will be my first foray and I do hope this element of 'fun' is exemplified with sideline awards such as;
- Greatest Cheadary Beardy list
- Most embassing single combat defeat
- Insane herosism of a single model
- IC most kills (the John Rambo award)
- Assassins award, Most killed IC's
etc, etc, so on and so forth....
it would be unfair to have a - Greatest Cheadary Beardy list
award as popsical would win it hands down!
@mutley
Ha! My win/loss ratio versus the three cheese amigos in the last 4 years does not bare out your accusation :P
As for last year, your just peeved because i tabled you :P :P :P
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im sure you using the min strike rules wrongly had nothing to do eith it at all! Lol
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Also, g00gle5, can we hold iain to using a unit from the very hungry catepillar!?
What youdon't know is that I've had a sneak preview of the next IA book IA 12: Death in the Shrubbery. I'm going to get my ~confidential source~ at the GW studio fired for this but here's an exclusive look at one of the new units coming out for this summer.
[spoiler](https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWO7ws.jpg&hash=f7205c9ae42ca49336e605d78f9334347664e3ec)[/spoiler]
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im sure you using the min strike rules wrongly had nothing to do eith it at all! Lol
Oooh i sense a case of sour grapes ;)
Yet again you must look elsewhere for fault there, as i asked mediators to explain the rules to us, as neither of us knew them.
We both accepted the omnipotent googles judgement.
I seem to remember his response to that as vengence for your cheese pods lol.
@ iainc, that would be the demon master of the infamous cabbage patch chapter of renegade marines! Feared for their deadly potions of boiled cabbage and sprout soup! The imperial citizens plagued by these devilish brews are charged never to sleep beneath bed sheets again :(
Just ask mutley ;D
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Well you could use the VDR rules to make a profile for it :P
(searches through files) Aaah still have the digi copy of that :D
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BUY YOUR TICKETS HERE (http://www.triplehelixwargames.co.uk/product_details.php?subId=242&pId=12042&mid=89)
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YAY! Ordered my ticket from THW. See you all in August! :)
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Paid
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Also....
Paid
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Ok chaps.
It is official that i will NOT be attending. Any chance of me aligning the pertainments will be way past the ticket closure and all that, so i will pull out now.
If by any chance i do get the time free i will come and spectate.
I will however:
A: offer my humble services to bounce list ideas off of, to ensure the levels of sulliment are kept to a minimum. Just PM me.
B: Heckle mercilessly on this thread.
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BooM! Me too.....
Paid
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How can I order it?
No paypall option...keeps telling me to fill in a correct billing phone number -.-
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No paypall option...keeps telling me to fill in a correct billing phone number -.-
Ah, I just did a dummy run to see and there's a huge Paypal button you can use that goes straight to the normal Paypal payment screen.
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Not for me.
After I filled in my data there is just a confirm page button...no paypall button and it keeps telling me to fill in a billing phone number -.-
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And when you get past that (by guess what? putting in a phone number), there's a huge Paypal button.
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And when you get past that (by guess what? putting in a phone number), there's a huge Paypal button.
{Problem is it is not accepting my phone number -.-
I tried the following country code combinations: 31, +31, 031, 0031 and no country code if front of my phone number.
The site is not accepting my phone number!
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Being that the phone number I put in was 11 and it let me carry on through just put anything in there.
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Being that the phone number I put in was 11 and it let me carry on through just put anything in there.
HAHAHAHAHA well what a wacky site lol
Did that it worked....so apprently you only need a 2 digit phone number to proceed instead of a real phone number ::)
So PAID for tha ticket!!
(ready to rumble!!!)
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Did that it worked....so apprently you only need a 2 digit phone number to proceed instead of a real phone number ::)
What? You used 11 as well? If they keep calling me asking for you, you're so going to be banned.
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Did that it worked....so apprently you only need a 2 digit phone number to proceed instead of a real phone number ::)
What? You used 11 as well? If they keep calling me asking for you, you're so going to be banned.
lol
Well do not think we have to worry about that unless your phone number really is 11 :P
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Tarrin... that's just not on. I think its afront because you don't want to be chastised yet again for undue levels of sulliment!
Zilverscale, glad you got that sorted, you may want to follow up things with an e-mail just incase they look at you oddly for the number you provided... let them know you are abroad and were unable to put in your actual number.
IMPORTANT BIT
Please note, I've just had an e-mail telling me that some of you may have been charged postage on your tickets. If this is the case, postage will be refunded to you. To avoid this, please make sure you click on the "collect in store" option, no tickets are being posted out.
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Tarrin... that's just not on. I think its afront because you don't want to be chastised yet again for undue levels of sulliment!
Zilverscale, glad you got that sorted, you may want to follow up things with an e-mail just incase they look at you oddly for the number you provided... let them know you are abroad and were unable to put in your actual number.
I put in my German phone number and it accepted it just fine.
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IMPORTANT BIT
Please note, I've just had an e-mail telling me that some of you may have been charged postage on your tickets. If this is the case, postage will be refunded to you. To avoid this, please make sure you click on the "collect in store" option, no tickets are being posted out.
I ticked the collect on store option and then got an e-mail saying the tickets will be sent shortly. I assumed I'd just pick them up on the day but if they're going to be sent then woohoo!
Now I suppose I had better find an army!
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we will be doing registration on the day so youll need to report to the overly tired, bearded and mostly hung over chap. This is not a vagrant. this is g00gle5.
we can then make sure we have everyoe who bought a ticket.
to help matters, and avoid any confusion, you may want to bring a print out of your confirmation e-mail.
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Have to wait until payday on the 30th before I can get my ticket :(
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Paid.
See you there.
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Urm... silly question are we calling ourselves by our 40KOL name on the day?
O:nk if youre name turns out to be Dave I'm gong to call you O:nk regardless...
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Urm... silly question are we calling ourselves by our 40KOL name on the day?
O:nk if youre name turns out to be Dave I'm gong to call you O:nk regardless...
Hah! I'll have to bring along some blank stickers with peoples forum names so they can write their actual names on things to make it easier... It can be funny, you often recognise people by the armies they bring along!
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Ha ha! known by your army, Imagine through history....
Fearless mongol raider, unparrelleled horse archers hello Ghengis!
Resplendid Cuirassiers, vast columns of reveloutionary infantry. Napoleaon old chap still a dwarf I see.
Panzer divisions, Stuker dive bombers, oh look whos turnd up now. Ok come on, who invited Hitler? Yes that's right hang your head in shame....
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Ha ha! known by your army, Imagine through history....
Fearless mongol raider, unparrelleled horse archers hello Ghengis!
Resplendid Cuirassiers, vast columns of reveloutionary infantry. Napoleaon old chap still a dwarf I see.
Panzer divisions, Stuker dive bombers, oh look whos turnd up now. Ok come on, who invited Hitler? Yes that's right hang your head in shame....
That would've been one hell of a tournament!
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Generally we use our real names, with some chop and changing of our forum names throughout the day. You'd be amazed how easy it is to get to know some of the most notorious forum members without ever realising it is them!
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I propse a dual name signage / labling system. Because I'm anal about organisation.
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Spotting users by army eh?
Lets see:
Youll spot mutley because his will contain the most broken unit in multiples :P
Tarrin if he does make it, due to its level of sulliment.
Hymirl because his army will know more about yours than you do.
Me, mine will be the best, obviously! ;)
Oink because his army cant shoot straight versus women figs.
Any others? ;D
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Tarrin if he does make it, due to its level of sulliment.
By sulliment you mean the ability to force the dice to do exactly as needed when i require by sheer force of will.
;D
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Oink because his army cant shoot straight versus women figs.
between that year that a unit of kroot, fire warriors, 2 devilfishes and a pair of ionheads realised they could not kill a single sister of battle from one unit and last year where my IG tank horde couldn't hit a darn thousand son rhino (or marine for that matter) just before Tarrin decided to sell his soul for the most amazing deep strike scatter I have ever seen i'm starting to think I need a new hobby...
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Tarrin if he does make it, due to its level of sulliment.
By sulliment you mean the ability to force the dice to do exactly as needed when i require by sheer force of will.
;D
Yup lol
Oink because his army cant shoot straight versus women figs.
between that year that a unit of kroot, fire warriors, 2 devilfishes and a pair of ionheads realised they could not kill a single sister of battle from one unit and last year where my IG tank horde couldn't hit a darn thousand son rhino (or marine for that matter) just before Tarrin decided to sell his soul for the most amazing deep strike scatter I have ever seen i'm starting to think I need a new hobby...
That'll be Tarrins dabbling with sullied rituals of the gods, messing with your dice.
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report to the overly tired, bearded and mostly hung over chap. This is not a vagrant. this is g00gle5
This also quite accurately describes me (except google5 is better dressed, more well groomed, and younger). Please don't report to me.
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Two tickets paid for, hmm now i just need to find someone to look after my shop for the weekend lol!
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hah! well, its only one day - so you dont have to worry about the saturday at least!
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Hey guys,
I currently have 2 tables booked for Saturday the 18th with 4 of us definitely attending. Charlotte and Steve from THW have said they can do some more for us so can people jump on here and let me know if you want to come along? I think we had one taker already anyone else? Also does anyone play any other games as I might bring some Dystopian Wars and Warmachine along for a change.
- M4rt0k
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I don't know exactly what time I'll be arrviving but I imagin early afternoon some time so i'd be up for a warm up game. I'll onl;y have my tourne army with me but I'll be able to make several other lists with it. I'm always up for a cheeky 1K battle.
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Sounds good dude I shall stash a 1k list away. The joy of Battlefoam, I can carry about 5k in my bag lol.
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I want a bag like that and not the GW plastic chunks I have :-[
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Yeah the briefcase design is pretty clunky. I have some from way back but they aren't exaclty ergonomical.
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Lucky I'm only organising this one, eh?
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DUDE!!!!!!!!!!! I meant to Facebook you a good luck message for Throne. What is the beast of legend? Also winning the Grey Knight Bracket?! Epic must have been a lot of competition for that if my experience at Throne end of last year was anything to go by.
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So can we have the breakdown of whos coming with what on the first post?
Would be kinda good to help folk who havent decided.
Im 100% tau this year.
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Paid!
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I've also paid now. As for what I will bring, I'm leaning strongly towards Chaos Daemons so unless something dramatic happens (perhaps new Chaos or Tau) I will bring my Daemons.
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Ticket booked, just need to organise flights, time off work and an army now.
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I like your priority order....
Flights... check
Time off work... check
Army... Doh!
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Mutleys friend greg will be bringing necrons if they are low in numbers, as there seem to be quite a few marines attending.
Feel free to edit this list:
Mutley Space wolves
popsical Tau
Greg Necrons
Benis Demons
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paid for me and greg
Mutleys friend greg will be bringing necrons if they are low in numbers, as there seem to be quite a few marines attending.
Feel free to edit this list:
Mutley Space wolves
popsical Tau
Greg Necrons
Benis Demons
as you already mentioned, i wont make up my mind untill 5 seconds before i leave for the event!
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Paid! Now to decide... Eldar or blood angels?
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I was thinking that for those of us living in and around Bristol, and those who are coming in to Bristol on the night before- maybe one of you drivers could hire a minibus for the day?
Would be fairly cheap if we all chipped in and much easier than trying to get there on public transport on a sunday.
EDIT: just checked trains from Bristol- first train doesn't get there until 9:53!
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Just recevied the weeks batch of ticket sale notifications from Charlotte at Triple Helix. Another 6 tickets bought by you guys bringing the total to 17.
I will be sending out e-mails to the buyers tonight from home (and hopefully I'll even remember to attach the tournament pack!)
This does officially mean that we are now over 50% full! So, if you haven't bought your ticket yet don't leave it too late.
I will be discussing increasing the capacity with Triple Helix should we be able to generate the sufficient demand - but there are no promises on that just yet. In the mean time, if anyone has any questions then don't forget to post them here - particularly regarding travel arrangements if you don't drive yourself.
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I was thinking that for those of us living in and around Bristol, and those who are coming in to Bristol on the night before- maybe one of you drivers could hire a minibus for the day?
Would be fairly cheap if we all chipped in and much easier than trying to get there on public transport on a sunday.
EDIT: just checked trains from Bristol- first train doesn't get there until 9:53!
I'd be happy to do this. (And it was something of a squeeze in my Golf last year anyway if I remember right...).
However, it looks like a 7 seater people carrier would be about £150, since I'd have to pick it up on Saturday and drop it off on Monday.
Can we get a show of hands?
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Bear in mind that whilst that might "only" be about £21 each, it'll be actually be about £30 once you factor in petrol.
That might still work out better for some though... ?
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Bear in mind that whilst that might "only" be about £21 each, it'll be actually be about £30 once you factor in petrol.
I suspect more like £25, since we probably wouldn't use very much getting down to THW and back from Bristol.
But if we couldn't get 7 I don't think it would be worth it at all.
And it's still not particularly cheap.
I'll have a nose around and see what else is available.
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Exactly how expensive is petrol in Great Britain or are we really travelling a distance of £42 worth of petrol? ;)
I'm probably interested. It does sound a bit expensive but it would be very comfortable and easy so it might be worth it.
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Exactly how expensive is petrol in Great Britain or are we really travelling a distance of £42 worth of petrol? ;)
I doubt we'd use more than about 20 or 25 quids worth, if that.
It's not very far.
I'm probably interested. It does sound a bit expensive but it would be very comfortable and easy so it might be worth it.
It'll be a lot easier than public transport at that time of the morning.
And if Lorizael can sort out the directions this time it might be quicker too. :P
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Exactly how expensive is petrol in Great Britain or are we really travelling a distance of £42 worth of petrol? ;)
I'm probably interested. It does sound a bit expensive but it would be very comfortable and easy so it might be worth it.
Currently what... something around £1.40 per litre in my part of the country (Just North of London). But it can vary pretty wildly from area to area. It's also worth remembering that that is often why public transport is pretty expensive too... Of course, I'd be expecting to use a lot more petrol getting there than you guys from down south... (hah, I can call you "Southerners" now!)
As said though, the other benefit is that sunday timetables for public transport can be eratic, especially early, or late in the day so bundling together helps avoid those issues.
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But if we couldn't get 7 I don't think it would be worth it at all.
Surely someone must own a normal-sized car if we are around five or do you all drive mini-coopers? :P
Of course, I'd be expecting to use a lot more petrol getting there than you guys from down south... (hah, I can call you "Southerners" now!)
I don't think I have ever been referred to as a Southerner in English before...
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Surely someone must own a normal-sized car if we are around five or do you all drive mini-coopers? :P
I think only two of us regular Bristolians actually have a car.
Mine is off limits this year, and the other is a sports car.
Hence the rental option being a good one.
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Fair enough, bus rental is probably the best route then.
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And if Lorizael can sort out the directions this time it might be quicker too. :P
I resent that! I knew the best way, everyone just ignored me! :P
If we can get a list of those from Bristol, we can sort it out I'm sure- if only 5 then maybe a car hire would be cheaper..?
Lorizael
Killing Time
Hymril
Benis
Both Matts again?
The interest list has gone so I can't see who may be coming.
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Ill will be playing Space Wolves unless we get very Marine heavy, then i may swap to add a bit of diversity.
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And if Lorizael can sort out the directions this time it might be quicker too. :P
I resent that! I knew the best way, everyone just ignored me! :P
If we can get a list of those from Bristol, we can sort it out I'm sure- if only 5 then maybe a car hire would be cheaper..?
Lorizael
Killing Time
Hymril
Benis
Both Matts again?
The interest list has gone so I can't see who may be coming.
Well I'll be flying into Bristol (if my time off is approved...which it should)
So count me in for a rental?
Edit: Time off just approved so off to charter flight etc ;)
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Ok guys shameless plug from me and google.....
We are running a 24hr Zombiathon charity event in a couple of weeks and have set up a website and various other things. So just wanted to ask for some support either sharing and spreading the word or donating a few pennies to the coffers.
Thanks
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website? and it will be spread.
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Ticket purchased and the Eldar are being painted. A bit of a change to the subtle list that the World Eaters were using, fingers crossed the chaos gods don't get too p'@#ed at me for changing.
Time to get some practice games in I think.
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Khaine will protect you... ;)
Or you can simply hide in the webway!
So who's going down the night before??
Show of hands for a pre-fight drink in a local pub.
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website? and it will be spread.
ha Doh!
Zombiathon 2012 - (http://www.zombiathon.com)
Also facebook event link is
Zombiathon - In Conjunction with Bucks Student Union and The Dodegball Society | (http://www.facebook.com/events/395628333803866/declines/?notif_t=plan_user_removed)
Or you could sponsor us at Anthony Crossley is fundraising for The Pepper Foundation (http://www.justgiving.com/Anthony-Crossley0)
Thanks any and all help is most welcome
Guys
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Khaine will protect you... ;)
Or you can simply hide in the webway!
So who's going down the night before??
Show of hands for a pre-fight drink in a local pub.
I will be down in the late afternoon/evening and staying at a local b&b so put me down for a pint or five at the local tavern.
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Sweet. Where you staying? and where is the 'local tavern'
Plus, M4toc5 is planning a warm up game the day before, will you be around for that too?
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Khaine will protect you... ;)
Or you can simply hide in the webway!
So who's going down the night before??
Show of hands for a pre-fight drink in a local pub.
I will be down in the late afternoon/evening and staying at a local b&b so put me down for a pint or five at the local tavern.
Yeah 3 tables booked pretty sure we can get some more. Not sure where we are staying yet though. Stayed in Warminster last year but I have stayed at the B&B round the corner from THW before and there is a pub about 100ft from there I am sure the guys at THW will point us in the right direction.
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I probably will come and mingle at THW on saturday, but i wont play (dont want to burn out my dice) lol.
Deffo up for a few brews tho.
Will be great to see some new faces dudes.
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If we can get a list of those from Bristol, we can sort it out I'm sure- if only 5 then maybe a car hire would be cheaper..?
Lor'eal
Killing Time
Hymirl
Benis
Both Matts again?
The interest list has gone so I can't see who may be coming.
I have a fairly normal car which I don't mind using, perhaps in convoy with Alex's mid life crisis sports mobile? Unless folks want to entertain the idea of being bundled into the back of a land rover! (You probably don't...)
I wouldn't be able to go on the saturday thou.
Oh, things to do: buy a ticket. :-\
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We'll be posting articles of what to expect on the day, interviews with the players, the featured armies of those involved -- and for those bold enough we'll even post up pre-tournament lists, where people can place friendly bets on where they think it will place. During the day I'll be taking photos, posting up pictures of the all the armies and ask everybody to share their thoughts and opinions so the rest of the internet can see what's happening as it happens! We will even get them to vote for best army and favourite moments. They can live and breathe your dice rolls, waiting for the results of the turn and game just the same as you while the dice are tumbling!
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And share your ideas for the 40konline tournament. O!nk has agreed to partner with me in this venture and we are determined to make it the best it can be. Our vision is not just to run this for 40konline but for it to become a resource for ALL 40k tournaments. A place where you can easily search for tournaments in your area, where you can download the rules pack with no fuss, you can buy your ticket and you can see how everybody else rates the tournament.
So, what say you all?!
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I say amphetamine parrot yes, that sounds like an awesome idea.
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Hell yeah! That's the reaction we are looking for!
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Sounds frickin awesome.
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Valar pointed me here. I liked what I saw. I bought a ticket.
Now I just have to buy a 1750pt army :P
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Valar pointed me here. I liked what I saw. I bought a ticket.
Now I just have to buy a 1750pt army :P
Will be looking to cu there ;)
O:nk & Google: Will there be a Tourny rule that limits the IG FAQ back to normal?
As it stands you can field 2 full platoons with all dedicated transports and an HQ in DOW deployment...
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Ticket bought. ;D
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Valar pointed me here. I liked what I saw. I bought a ticket.
Now I just have to buy a 1750pt army :P
lol... "hey guys, I'm coming to the tournament... I have everything I need... erm... except an army!"
Well, on the plus side, you are not REQUIRED to have a fully painted army. But you won't earn as many points. Although it has been known for a person to win the tournament based on the point difference they gained because their army was fully painted. For the love of god at least make sure it is glued together though!
I'll be awaiting THW weekly update of ticket sales so I can send out packs and update the list. I am noticing that there are some regular faces (names) that are still yet to buy tickets. Don't leave it too late as I'll be starting to advertise the event more widely soon.
Oh, and:
Valar pointed me here. I liked what I saw. I bought a ticket.
Now I just have to buy a 1750pt army :P
Will be looking to cu there ;)
O:nk & Google: Will there be a Tourny rule that limits the IG FAQ back to normal?
As it stands you can field 2 full platoons with all dedicated transports and an HQ in DOW deployment...
As far as I am aware, we will be using all current FAQs. Whether you like them or not. They are the rules of the game... Lets hope that a new 40kEdition isn't released before the tourney hey!
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Lets hope that a new 40kEdition isn't released before the tourney hey!
Since there appears to be a good chance that a new edition will be released near the time of the tourney can we set a date after which we'll still use the old rules even if 6th Ed is out?
I would suggest July19th.
The reasons for this are purely pragmatic:
1. Some gamers will not be able to afford to go out and buy the new rules immediately. A month gives them time to get paid again.
2. Many gamers will not have the time to get in any practice games under the new rules. A month is a reasonable time to at least squeeze in one or two.
3. The new rules will be unfamiliar to everyone.
If we want to play 4 1750point games in one day without the highly unsatisfactory solution of cutting every game short in turn 3 just to rattle through them then I suggest we need a month to get everyone up to speed.
4. The new rules will almost certainly effect the way many people's armies play. A month will give people time to buy and paint a new unit to take advantage of the new rules or replace an old unit that has been hugely nerfed.
I'm aware that many people will be excited to play the new rules as soon as possible. I certainly will be.
It's also clear that this is about as friendly a tournament environment as is possible to get, so it's not like anyone is going to be particularly bothered about the new rules completely screwing their current lists.
Maybe some people would feel that 2 weeks would be plenty of time, or even try to play 6th if it comes out on the day.
Others might feel that they'd like to commit to 5th Ed right now.
Any strong opinions either way?
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Personally I would say one month is far to little time to get around to a new edition, especially if it is as much changes to it as some rumours would have us believe. The games would be slow and filled with confusion so I rather we just say that we will play 5th edition in the official games of the tournament (of course any pick up games can be played with whatever rules the pick uppers want), no matter if a new edition comes out tomorrow.
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I'm more than happy to stick completely with the current edition of rules... for many of the reasons already mentioned. Importantly, it could be a last hurrah for the current rules! (unless the new rules are completely naff and we decide that future tournaments will also use this 5th edition!)
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I tend to agree from a purly pragmatic point of view. The new rules, if GW is on form, will be full of ambiguity, spelling mistakes and such. Basically I''m cynically going to say that the rules will not be tounrement ready before te second FAQ / errata is published.
Secondly, again from a purly pragmatic point of view, Benis and Killing time are right in that the games will take FOREVER as we all discuss the interpretation of the new rules.
I may be wrong, I alway hope I am (eternal pessimist) and that GW pulls it out of the bag and actually makes a good book! However, I'm doubtful.
I think we should reserve judgement until the book is released and we've actually seen it but I'm erring on the side of keeping the current rules.
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I couldn't think of a better tournament to play as a last blast of 5th. Picking up 6th in a month would be pretty difficult....
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I'd be very happy to commit to a 5th Ed last hurrah. :)
I'm nicely surprised that this seems to be the consensus.
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[Being a pessimist]
I actually find the RULEBOOKS amazingly well-crafted. It is the codexes which are a joke.
If I was playing (and not organising) I'd be happy to play sixth edition if it came out three hours before the tournament as I seem to have a gift in memorising 40k codexes and rulebooks (Did I mention I was the best Grey Knights player at Throne of Skulls in April, did I?! I'm not sure that I did -- point being that every one of my games I seemed to know my opponent's codex better than them.)
I'd rather go with what the majority wants to do. There is another compromise we can do:
Set the cut off point at July 19th -- play FOUR 5th edition games.
If it comes out after we play THREE 6th edition games.
I know that once rules are outdated they are outdated and I have no desire to play them, and I worry that people that participants that aren't on this forum may have the same mindset.
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Ticket GET
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If I was playing (and not organising) I'd be happy to play sixth edition if it came out three hours before the tournament as I seem to have a gift in memorising 40k codexes and rulebooks (Did I mention I was the best Grey Knights player at Throne of Skulls in April, did I?! I'm not sure that I did -- point being that every one of my games I seemed to know my opponent's codex better than them.)
only a few times... ::) though you only showed us the picture once. lol.
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There is another compromise we can do: Set the cut off point at July 19th -- play FOUR 5th edition games.
If it comes out after we play THREE 6th edition games.
I know that once rules are outdated they are outdated and I have no desire to play them, and I worry that people that participants that aren't on this forum may have the same mindset.
I think this is a good alternative. But I still think that the final say should be made after we've seen the book.
g00gle you're right, the rulebooks are normally well constructed its the codexes that are spank. However I'm still pessimistic ??? , eternally...
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Personally, I'd rather go for the straight cut-off of 19 Jul, but I agree that the final say has to come after we've seen the new book.
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if we do use 6th ed rules and the rumours are true then the games will be alot longer. and considering that theres usually a few people struggling to finish in the current rule set it might be bad idea to try and use 6th ed so soon after its release. yea you could drop it to 3 games but would that affect the scoring system to much and we have lots of people all in the same position. or you'd have every one cutting their games short which wouldn't be fair as that would affect the outcome of game
i think Arquarian is right, we should wait for the new book to come out before making a final decison.
or just put it to a vote...
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I would have to go with 5th Edition. I will (if very lucky) get two games in before the event, and with a full family life and little revision time have bog all time to learn 6th before the event.
But the biggest part is, i wont buy the rules till the mini version is released anyway. So i will be unable to bring my own copy and will have to resort to pilfering other players copies and rootling thru them every turn.
Three games in one day under such conditions will be a struggle and will effect all my opponents too, thus effecting the ultimate results, possibly who even wins the gig.
I dont think i will be too popular :o
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I actually find the RULEBOOKS amazingly well-crafted. It is the codexes which are a joke.
Don't forget FAQ's they do don't always help either, as per the earlier mentioned Guard Codex FAQ.
My vote would be for 5th if only because it will allow for more games to be played on the day.
But I am happy either way.....
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Perhaps we should poll it?
a) 5th edition regardless (4 games)
b) 6th if out before July 19th
c) 6th if out before July 19th and meets a pre-tournament inspection
d) 6th edition regardless
(options b-d all 3 games)
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Boring as I am I vote for option a.
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We can actually give you a real poll to use. ;)
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5th!
Totally biased cause my army will hurt a lot if the cover changes rumoured to happen go through XD
Actually Hymirl made a very good argument on the next page for me to change my vote!
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Playing 3 6th ed. games makes sense. I'm happy to play using 6th rules the day after they appear.
They'll be out before the 19th July if they're coming this year. Fantasy was released 10th July- 2nd Saturday of the month. Standard releases at the moment are the 1st Saturday of the month.
So it won't be any later than 14th July this year.
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If 6th edition comes out we should play with it. You get this stubborn stick in the mud attitude every time a new edition comes out and always within a couple of weeks no one wants to go back and no one cares any more.
There is no more a valid reason to use 5th if its outdated than we should dig out 4th edition and play that. In fact my club ran the first tournament under 5th edition (within a week of its release) and guess what? Everything was fine.
In fact given the new ruleset shook the box up it really levels the playing field meaning people who turn up with the previous generation power lists like Dragowing etc suddenly find their easy win army doesnt do what it used to!
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If 6th edition comes out we should play with it. You get this stubborn stick in the mud attitude every time a new edition comes out and always within a couple of weeks no one wants to go back and no one cares any more.
There is no more a valid reason to use 5th if its outdated than we should dig out 4th edition and play that. In fact my club ran the first tournament under 5th edition (within a week of its release) and guess what? Everything was fine.
In fact given the new ruleset shook the box up it really levels the playing field meaning people who turn up with the previous generation power lists like Dragowing etc suddenly find their easy win army doesnt do what it used to!
This is actually a very valid argument.
(But then again never known Hymirl to put forth any argument that isn't valid!)
Removed vote and revoted :)
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The trouble comes if the rules throw a curveball that can't be easily circumvented... For instance, what if they adapt the rules so that the game plays in a way that is geared towards increasing army sizes (as one might expect). This will change the "standard point level" that the game is designed to work at perhaps by ensuring that models die easier or are removed from play for more reasons or whatever...
The "Standard" pt level for a "reasonable" length game gets increased... yet we get stuck with playing games with a 1750pt army that results in very short, or very in-exciting games.
Other things to think about is that someone might be building up an army and whenteh new rules come out they discover that they suddenly have no scoring troops, or no units that can enter terrain, or are suddenly incapable of completing a new objective etc. That person may not have time (or money) to buy and insert new models into their army to even give them a fighting chance!
They might not have fun... and that's before you've even considered that the person would also need to buy the rulebook... and that not everyone has the funds to do so on demand (particularly when they may have expected to play with a different ruleset)...
hmm...
ps: I'm not trying to say that a new edition would be rubbish and thats why we shouldn't play it... just that it may mix things up in ways that cannot be planned for (both in terms of army lists and tournament organisation). We might be best served holding off until the next tournament (If this means that people want to meet up again in 6 months rather than wait an entire year then I'm sure that can be arranged!)
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In fact given the new ruleset shook the box up it really levels the playing field meaning people who turn up with the previous generation power lists like Dragowing etc suddenly find their easy win army doesnt do what it used to!
There is of course also the risk that such "easy win" armies will have an easier time for just the same reasons. Never the less, you have changed my mind and I vote for 6th edition but after a little reading of the rules, just as a last brasklapp.
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I can see both sides of this.
While I am inclined to want to play 6th Ed regardless, my cautious side suspects that the wholesale changes rumoured to come about in 6th will be considerably less easy to take in our stride than the relatively minor tweaks that occurred between 4th and 5th.
I don't think we could have played a fun tournament a week after 2nd to 3rd, for instance.
As Oink says, it's not just a question of learning new rules. There's also the distinct possibility of peoples' entire army lists becoming effectively obsolete overnight as a result of the changes.
I'm all for playing 6th.
But I do think we should at least consider how major the changes are first.
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But then again never known Hymirl to put forth any argument that isn't valid!)
Ooh it has happened. However on this point he is correct. People are going to want to play with the shiny new book. There is the possibility of armies being nerfed. That has happened before. I do get the impresion though that this tournement, although set ina competative setting is not an out and out back-stabbing blood bath.
the transition between 4th and 5th was not that great as 4th was effectively a WIP towards 5th anyway but these rules, if rumours are to be believed will turn the game on its head. However I see this as a new challenge and will gladly face it.
Hymrills second point al;so true that a new rule set will be a leveller. that,, I'm also happy with ;D
I'm sticking with my vote which is a preference for 6th but only after we've seen the book....
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Personally I very much doubt the changes to 6th will be that monumental- the most recent codexes are going to have to work with the rules and would have been written with 6th in mind.
The change from Fantasy 7th to 8th was pretty easy, I can't imagine 5th - 6th will be any harder.
I'll definitely vote for playng 6th ed. I'll have my book day of release and practically memorised within a day or two!
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Personally I very much doubt the changes to 6th will be that monumental- the most recent codexes are going to have to work with the rules and would have been written with 6th in mind.
The change from Fantasy 7th to 8th was pretty easy, I can't imagine 5th - 6th will be any harder.
I'll definitely vote for playng 6th ed. I'll have my book day of release and practically memorised within a day or two!
You're only saying that because in actuality you'll have your book a week or so before release and get the jump on everyone else! :P
It is interesting though, since you bring up fantasy, that although the rules changes weren't that vast, they did do BIG things to (some) armies... for better or for worse...
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Isn't this poll a bit flawed at the moment? I'm sure the people voting for 6th edition regardless are more interested in the result being 6th edition before 19th with a look at the rules than 5th edition regardless. So perhaps 5th edition against 6th edition would have been a better poll and then a sub-poll between the different 6th edition alternatives?
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Depends if this is first past the post, AV or single transferable vote...
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No-one had voted for one of the 6th options so I condensed the poll as "yay let's play 6th!" is exactly the same as "yay! let's play 6th if released in time!" No-one has lost their vote and no-one has had their vote changed. Not that we'd do that if we could. Which we can but didn't. Honest.
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I'm surprised by the good showing 5th Ed is getting.
I would have thought that people would be more inclined to play the new rules.
Hmm, how little I know ???
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No-one had voted for one of the 6th options so I condensed the poll as "yay let's play 6th!" is exactly the same as "yay! let's play 6th if released in time!" No-one has lost their vote and no-one has had their vote changed. Not that we'd do that if we could. Which we can but didn't. Honest.
I actually changed my vote lol
As said Hymirl had a good argument for me to change it XD
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Voted for 5th, in order to avoid the inevitable "wait, this works differently now, doesn't it?" and frantic checking of rulebooks, which risks slowing the games themselves down. At least with 5th we've all played enough games to be on the same page.
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Voted 5th purely for the fact we get 4 games of it! The more games the better in my book!
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..., which risks slowing the games themselves down.
Do t worry, I'll just read the book and then you can just ask me what the answer is! :D
Seriously though, people are smarter than you give them credit for, I expect most people will run out and get the new book soon as possible anyway. Given the requirements to be backwards compatible to codexes the changes won't be wildly massive, in my experience it's generally armies that expoited cheap tricks that are the ones that lose most.
It's a tournament for socialising and fun anyway so I have nothing but joy for the win at all costs types who trot out powerlists, this kind of changes to the rules don't effect people who just field the army they like the style of because they like the style not the rules.
Trust me, I've been playing a marine bike army for nearly 14 years, some rulesets it's great some it's not but it's always totally awesome to be driving fast, breaking things and looking cool. Exactly like James Dean.
Additionally, im stuffing the ballot box with the votes of anyone wanting a lift in my car to the venue or they can walk! Muahaha! I'm not 40KO's care bear of spite for nothing you know!
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Well speaking from a Tau perspective, 6th should make us a bit better, hell we cant get much worse can we? :o
However i voted 5th for precisely the reasons stated by Koval and Valar.
The main rule book is too big and bulky and costs more just for a load of fluff i will only read once, hence i wont buy it.
The mini rule book isnt due till late August early September, and even then i shall wait till some wondrous soul breaks up copies of the starter set and sells it alone.
Combine this with the fact that i no longer have a LGS, and i will pretty much have sod all idea what is going on all day lol, and anyone who plays me will have a very long and page flickingly boring game.
I dont want some poor soul getting to game 3 and realising that they could have won the whole show but for playing me and suffering time out at an inoportune moment because all my turns took an hour each.
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Well speaking from a Tau perspective, 6th should make us a bit better, hell we cant get much worse can we? :o
However i voted 5th for precisely the reasons stated by Koval and Valar.
The main rule book is too big and bulky and costs more just for a load of fluff i will only read once, hence i wont buy it.
The mini rule book isnt due till late August early September, and even then i shall wait till some wondrous soul breaks up copies of the starter set and sells it alone.
Combine this with the fact that i no longer have a LGS, and i will pretty much have sod all idea what is going on all day lol, and anyone who plays me will have a very long and page flickingly boring game.
I dont want some poor soul getting to game 3 and realising that they could have won the whole show but for playing me and suffering time out at an inoportune moment because all my turns took an hour each.
Well we can make an exception for you that players playing you will play 5th :P
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Additionally, im stuffing the ballot box with the votes of anyone wanting a lift in my car to the venue or they can walk!
I hear and obey.
EDIT: If we do play by 6th if WHFB's 8th edition is any thing to go on I doubt I will bring the rulebook with me so I would hope as many as possible who live a little closer do bring their books, perhaps some might even be able to bring extra (just label them, use schoolbook paper or something), I would hate to end up at a table that lacks a book.
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If the greater percentage wish to play 6th i will gladly go along with it, heck if i can i will be reading a copy gained from someone before hand. However i just felt it proper to warn those i play that i will be pottering along at my own pace, which will likely be very slow indeed. Especially if neither player on my table has a copy of the rule book lol.
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EDIT: If we do play by 6th if WHFB's 8th edition is any thing to go on I doubt I will bring the rulebook with me so I would hope as many as possible who live a little closer do bring their books, perhaps some might even be able to bring extra (just label them, use schoolbook paper or something), I would hate to end up at a table that lacks a book.
I have the strength of Thor and shalt bringeth it. You are gladly invited to peruse my copy :)
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Is the place we are at not a gaming store.... im sure they will have at least a store copy we can appropriate for the day ::)
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Good point dude.
I think i may get there a bit earlier on saturday and observe some of the others pre tournie games, try and pick up some tips :)
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One option that we haven't discussed, but which might prove to be a happy medium, is actually to split it...
We COULD play 3 games using the 5th edition rules, and then play the last game with the 6th edition rules... using the exact same lists! This could be an interesting and whacky way of blending the two...
It will also ensure that we get to play 3 comfortable, and speedy, games, but also give us the chance to try out any new rule set together! whilst still getting in that last game! It will also give everyone direct experience over how a current army works in a new rule set and will be all the more interesting because it will be the last round and could decide the tournament!
What do you all think?
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Mid-life crisis in full swing.
Changed my vote; 6th ed all the way.
I also have no idea anymore what army I want to bring ???
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Mid-life crisis in full swing.
Changed my vote; 6th ed all the way.
I also have no idea anymore what army I want to bring ???
hehehehe was that due to the pm's??? ;)
@O:nk: it is a nice idea.
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Mid-life crisis in full swing.
Changed my vote; 6th ed all the way.
I also have no idea anymore what army I want to bring ???
hehehehe was that due to the pm's??? ;)
Not quite hit the menopause just yet.
I don't think I''m in favour of spilltting games to be honest. I'd rather one or the other.
(don't want to have to carry 2 rulebooks)
Plus come to think of it 3 games is more decisive than 4.
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Actually no, we introduced a fourth game exactly for the reason that 3 games wasn't decisive enough. We found that the fourth game helped the spread much more and ensured that the top players would be playing each other in the last game whilst also meaning that if you lost your first game horribly you were still in with a chance.
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Well don't listen to me, I'm going throught a mid life crisis!
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I would prefer 6th than a mixture of the two.
Im also going with a hormonal shift and voting for 6th ed :o :o :o
As my army for this year is nigh all done, i think i shall spend a night every week revising the new rules when they come out, rather than painting.
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If I'm getting my head around 6th then I'd rather not go back to playing in 5th just because. Unless 6th comes out only a couple of days before I think we should play whichever edition is current at the time.
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And 6th takes the lead!
We're going to have a month to learn the new rules- shouldn't be too hard. :D
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And 6th takes the lead!
We're going to have a month to learn the new rules- shouldn't be too hard. :D
Looks like it will win. Now we can all hope that there is a nice big juicy FAQ drop for all the codices in time for the tournament since that ought to smooth things out a lot.
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6th certainly looks favorite.
Perhaps we should let the organisers decide on the day how many games we will be able to realistically play, based on how the tests of the new book have gone to that point.
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6th certainly looks favorite.
Perhaps we should let the organisers decide on the day how many games we will be able to realistically play, based on how the tests of the new book have gone to that point.
This is the kind of thinking I can get behind! More of this, please :D
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And 6th takes the lead!
We're going to have a month to learn the new rules- shouldn't be too hard. :D
Looks like it will win. Now we can all hope that there is a nice big juicy FAQ drop for all the codices in time for the tournament since that ought to smooth things out a lot.
8th ed. army book FAQs went up the day the rulebook was released.. :D
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Which was excellent so one could hope they repeat it, perhaps even letting the errata cover stuff like point costs.
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6th certainly looks favorite.
Perhaps we should let the organisers decide on the day how many games we will be able to realistically play, based on how the tests of the new book have gone to that point.
This is the kind of thinking I can get behind! More of this, please :D
Mostly because it means we get an excuse to play some test games! hehe!
Don't worry g00gle5, I'm all but certain that I won't be taking part in order to help ensure the on the day running goes along smoothly. Whilst it is noce watching you struggle to be in all places at once, it would be much easier if there were simply two of us!
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Tickets on TripleHelix don't seem to be available anymore, this event all booked up now?
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The first post needs a bit of updating then :o
11 sold, 17 names paid?
No tickets for sale?
Weird!
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Tickets on TripleHelix don't seem to be available anymore, this event all booked up now?
Let me get on that... be right back...
Okay, the tournament tickets are back... and this time on a featured product list on the main home page.
Triple Helix Wargames Get Discount on All Your Warhammer, Flames of War and Many (http://triplehelixwargames.co.uk/)
From JUNE, we will begin advertising the event more widely in a number of different places, so if people have not yet bought a ticket yet, I strongly suggest that you do so sooner rather than later.
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Ticket bought, now if they'll only stop releasing new stuff that makes me wanna change my army list every other month I can get them painted....
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I've bought a ticket too. Its the first time I've not bought it by proxy!
Ticket bought, now if they'll only stop releasing new stuff that makes me wanna change my army list every other month I can get them painted....
This is where the 'write your army list the night before while tired and drunk' technique is a winner every time.
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Writing the army list the night before is always a winner to be sure, it'd be the "buying the last mini on Saturday 18th and painting until 3am" which is the killer
Although Chuckles and myself always do seem to manage a last minute painting rush between us
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Writing the army list the night before is always a winner to be sure, it'd be the "buying the last mini on Saturday 18th and painting until 3am" which is the killer
Although Chuckles and myself always do seem to manage a last minute painting rush between us
I always try to avoid that...but I almost never manage it.
Hopefully now I will ;)
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Okay all, by the last count we have now sold 21 of the 30 official spots! That leaves only 9 spaces left.
I will be speaking with THW about upping the total numbers to 40. BUT, if you still haven't bought a ticket do so before JUNE - as mentioned previously we will be advertising more widely to fill spaces.
I will also be updating the list (which I neglected to do last time) this weekend, with all those who are coming. I will also be sending out e-mails to the most recent batch of ticket buyers with confirmation and the pack.
In my e-mails I also ask for confirmation of your screen name, please be sure to reply with this as it'll help me see who I might need to PM so they don't miss out.
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Hi all,
Just picked up 8 tickets for me and some mates from our local gaming group. This will be our first tournament so please go gentle with us :).
We will be heading up on the day as we only live down the road in Somerset. Looking forward to getting beaten by some different players :P, now we'd better get painting after seeing some of the pics from last year.
Steve
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Wow if thats true I hope we get some extra slots then :-)
Nice to see this tournament moving forward.
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Okay Ginzu... talk about stepping in with a bang!
Welcome to the Forum too, be sure to let your friends know they are also more than welcome to come and join in the banter beforehand by registering here (I'm not working on commission to find members but I should probably be! hah!)
I look forward to receiving the confirmation from Triple Helix Wargames - at which point I will be speaking to them about upping the numbers as we would be right on the doorstep of 30 tickets sold!
Me again... Ginzu, you may get a disheartening e-mail and part refund for your tickets as your 8 tickets will have hit us OVER the 30 places. However, we are all but assured to have the places increased... so hopefully THW will find my latest e-mails before they send anything to you.
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ah ok np, just send me a PM if you need me to go onto the site to purchase them again.
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Okay all, I am happy to confirm that we have now boosted the ticket numbers from 30 up to 40!
Now, the front page still shows 23 sales, but I will hopefully be receiving confirmation from THW of Ginzu's mammoth 8 ticket sale which would mean that we pass the 30 ticket mark.
This would mean that we only have 9 tickets left.
If anyone has yet to buy their ticket then please be sure to do so! I don't want any "regulars" to miss out because they couldn't get into gear!
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Geared up...in ticket form and army :)
(still painting though!)
Now to see what I'll be doing.
Option A: Fly into Bristol Thursday for a long weekend and gaming outside of Bristol.
Option B: Take car--->ferry---> drive to site and camp in a B&B nearby and enjoy local pub.
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Geared up...in ticket form and army :)
(still painting though!)
Now to see what I'll be doing.
Option A: Fly into Bristol Thursday for a long weekend and gaming outside of Bristol.
Option B: Take car--->ferry---> drive to site and camp in a B&B nearby and enjoy local pub.
if i was you i'd vote A
as driving is painfully boring!
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Except when I fly in I'm dependant upon the good will of people to get me to the game site sunday....
As I found out that renting brittish cars is trouble for me...lol once rented 1 for exactly 15 minutes....had 8 near crashes with it in those 15 minutes due to everything being on the wrong side in the vehicle.
And looking for making it part of a mini holiday :)
so having own transport at that time is a must if I go for mini holiday.
Now to see what the ferry prices are from The Netherlands to UK.
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I think ferries from the Netherlands come in port up north, which would mean a drive across the length of Britain.
You may have better luck driving through Europe and grabbing a ferry from France to the South of England... you will at least avoid extortionately high fuel prices (though I can't vouch for EU fuel costs!) as well as an undoubted array of british "road works" (which is about as ironic a term as possible!)
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I think ferries from the Netherlands come in port up north, which would mean a drive across the length of Britain.
You may have better luck driving through Europe and grabbing a ferry from France to the South of England... you will at least avoid extortionately high fuel prices (though I can't vouch for EU fuel costs!) as well as an undoubted array of british "road works" (which is about as ironic a term as possible!)
I was already looking into that when I saw that the most southerly port is just north of Londen... (Harwich)
So options are:
Belgium --> Ramsgate or Dover
France --> Dover or Newhaven (do not want to go further south in France because the traffic around Rouen and Le Havre is horrible -.- .. as in once and never again to that area lol)
Hmm it is actually (not calculating in fuel cost) cheaper then flying...and I'll have my own mobility and freedom :)
Newhaven being the closest (still a good 160 km in a straigth line) and one of the cheapest options :)
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All you need to do now is to convince a friend to come with you so you can share the driving and have some company! hah! (we got some more tickets going! lol!)
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I can confirm that the Stenna Ferries across for the Hook of Holland to Harwich are great. (I make this trip for work a few times a year) The rail link into london is very easy. crossing London is not that bad, (then again I've been living here for 4 years...)
If you want me to help you out at all PM me or e-mail....
costs wise I don't think there is much difference flying and trains or ferry and driving....
edit: yes bring a friend ;) car friend!
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Just thought Id' introduce myself and the people that will be coming up for the day along with armies currently played.
1) Steve (Ginzu) - Eldar or Space Wolves which ever I can get painted in time :)
2) Phil - Orks
3) Ash - Chaos Space Marines
4) Martyn - Dark Eldar
5) Nath - Grey Knights or Space Wolves?
6) Max - Necrons
7) Scott - Nids
8) Karl - Space Marines
We all play at our local game store down in Street, Somerset and have finally decided to brave the outside and enter a tournament. I'll update this post as soon as people register for the forum with there avatar names.
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Well you've chosen a good one to start with as we're traditionally less about being a competitive tournament* and more about people from the forum meeting up for a game and saying weird things like "You don't look like your username...."
*Not that we're not competitive at all, just more relaxed that the GT's et al ;)
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Paid, finally. I'm Phil from Bideford, if you need to match payment details to usernames. I'll be driving up from near Yeovil that morning with an empty car if anyone needs a ride.
I'll be bringing nids. Just ordered a tervigon, so I'll be fully compliant with official models. Now just need to paint the bugger. And I'll be painting a few extra gaunts. Can't believe google5 came round to check painting last year, just after my tervigon had spawned a record number of gaunts, requiring the unpainted ones. Lost me a point!
Looking forward to this. Just got to hope they do 6th ed either soon, or much later.
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Hey SCO, did you order 3 tickets?
I missed sending you out the tournament pack and will do so.
If it is that you ordered 3 tickets, that means we have ONLY 5 TICKETS REMAINING! Also, who will you be bringing with you?
EDIT: I realise why I didn't send you the pack... can you please confirm your e-mail address with me (via pm would be best). I think the confirmation e-mail you were sent went to the wrong e-mail address and I'm not sure if THW have been able to find the correct one.
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Me and a friend would love to come, however have put off buying tickets due to uncertainty over transport. We would be travelling up from Cornwall by train the day before but have no idea where we would stay or how we would get to the venue in the morning. :(
We were able to come last year due to a friend with a car and we stayed in a hostel in Cheddar.
EDIT: Presuming of course there are even two tickets left by now...
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If you can get to Bracknell we can give you a lift to the event for some petrol, as for accommodation we are still to sort ours as well lol.
So book your tickets and you can have a lift.
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Me and a friend would love to come, however have put off buying tickets due to uncertainty over transport. We would be travelling up from Cornwall by train the day before but have no idea where we would stay or how we would get to the venue in the morning. :(
We were able to come last year due to a friend with a car and we stayed in a hostel in Cheddar.
EDIT: Presuming of course there are even two tickets left by now...
Hi there,
There are a number of Hotels and B&Bs all linked to in the first post. These have all been recommended to us by Triple Helix Wargames but you can check out the links for each to see for yourself of course.
Also, as far as I know, there are still some spots left. I know that I am awaiting the next ticket update from the venue, and that there is at least one forum member who will be on that list. However, there are only a handful of tickets remaining.
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Put me down as tentative but interested.
I really would like to get back into the game again, plus see some of the horrible wonderful people I've met in previous years.
Oh, and I openly challenge Tarrin. But only if he's not coming. If he is, I'm hiding in the toilets until he leaves.
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Following last years sulliment we have officially banned Tarrin from attending... :P
(that and he has family to look after on that day).
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In that case, I openly and completely challenge Tarrin at the 2012 40KOnline UK Tournament. If you either decline, fail to show up or don't reply then you're a cowardly chicken wimp and you revoke your rights to ever say you beat me with a damn Arbites themed fluff list of non-competitiveness!
No takebacks!
;D
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Ah found somewhere to stay in Westbury. If anyone is able to pick me and a friend up from near the station, then I can contribute a few pounds of petrol money to get there and back in the evening (Although would need to be back at the station soon after the event).
Thanks in advance for any kind soul!
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Will we be using 6th Edition for this Tournament seeming as it is coming out in just over a week now?
Also though I should say, I am one of the people headed up with Ginzu, should be a fun day!
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Hello! welcome to the forums!
We recently had a vote on the matter and the results are on show at the header of the thread... It seems as though we WILL be using the 6th edition rules.
HOWEVER, depending on what the rules ACTUALLY are we may have to impose certain "house rules" / "ommissions". For instance, I'd be strongly against using allies and random terrain effects and quite possibly the inclusion of "army terrain"... BUT all of this discussion can really only take place once we have seen the actual rules and see how they may affect a "semi-competitive" environment...
EDIT: oh, and I suppose I could add your new username to the list of attendees, but to be honest, I'd rather just refer to you as one of the dwarves... you do get to pick which one though. ;D
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Irrespective of the changes this edition may bring, i believe we should play them in it's entirety, warts and all.
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I agree, No toys out of the pram cherry picking.
5th Ed OR 6th Ed
We all remember the abomination of 4th and a half ed.......
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Irrespective of the changes this edition may bring, i believe we should play them in it's entirety, warts and all.
This will be another interesting discussion. I think it will be best to wait and see exactly what the new rules bring us.
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Rules discussions aside, anyone playing against me should probably watch out for a black notebook, as I fully intend to do my games as battle-reports.
I will* be taking names :P
*I mean, credit's got to be given where it's due, right? Can't just have "Koval V some randomer", after all.
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This will be another interesting discussion. I think it will be best to wait and see exactly what the new rules bring us.
Agreed.
As a leading reactionary Luddite on the site I reserve the right to get very hot under the collar about the new edition and what it means for the tournament.
However, I will be content to actually read the damn thing before I suggest any major house rulings.
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Rules discussions aside, anyone playing against me should probably watch out for a black notebook, as I fully intend to do my games as battle-reports.
I will* be taking names :P
*I mean, credit's got to be given where it's due, right? Can't just have "Koval V some randomer", after all.
This needs a like button!! And im fully tempted to challenge you considering some of the great games we've had in the past... plus I gotta get in that little black book somehow ;) .... And since Oink probably isnt playing (some lame excuse about being too busy) I wont be able to give him a beating so you will have to do ;P
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Rules discussions aside, anyone playing against me should probably watch out for a black notebook, as I fully intend to do my games as battle-reports.
I will* be taking names :P
*I mean, credit's got to be given where it's due, right? Can't just have "Koval V some randomer", after all.
*Packs sledgehammer to crush pesky notebook*
If you play vs me you can refer to my army as Malal's Mercenaries/Hammer (depending on what I'll be bringing ;) )
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If you play vs me you can refer to my army as Malal's Mercenaries/Hammer (depending on what I'll be bringing ;) )
Referring to them as "those badly painted cheese flavoured losers" is entirely acceptable. In fact I encourage it! :D
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If you play vs me you can refer to my army as Malal's Mercenaries/Hammer (depending on what I'll be bringing ;) )
Referring to them as "those badly painted cheese flavoured losers" is entirely acceptable. In fact I encourage it! :D
Pfff I can't help it i never get to finish anything before vanquish/spoils :P
Plus that way I get to stay comming in 2nd last place :)
Guess I'll just need to win the lottery and contract Jay to paint 5k army for me :P
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I'll paint your 5K for significantly less... ;)
then you'll have nothing but your bad play to blame... ;D
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Rules discussions aside, anyone playing against me should probably watch out for a black notebook, as I fully intend to do my games as battle-reports.
I will* be taking names :P
*I mean, credit's got to be given where it's due, right? Can't just have "Koval V some randomer", after all.
This needs a like button!! And im fully tempted to challenge you considering some of the great games we've had in the past... plus I gotta get in that little black book somehow ;) .... And since Oink probably isnt playing (some lame excuse about being too busy) I wont be able to give him a beating so you will have to do ;P
Like ;)
oh c'mon... someone was bound to do it... ;D
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I'm one of the chaps accompanying your dear Ginzu (Steve) from the club in Street! I'm looking forward to meeting and playing against some new opponents at this tournament (even though I'll probably end up getting whooped)
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In that case, I openly and completely challenge Tarrin at the 2012 40KOnline UK Tournament. If you either decline, fail to show up or don't reply then you're a cowardly chicken wimp and you revoke your rights to ever say you beat me with a damn Arbites themed fluff list of non-competitiveness!
No takebacks!
;D
Challenge accepted!
Given the previous games though its not worth my time to turn up. I'll just have my man take you to the cleaners for me. Killing Time, be a good fellow and see this upstart off for me. ;D
I'm pretty gutted to not be playing this year. Lots of new players and all that.
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...right, so that's Valar, Zilverscale and Arquarian expressing some level of interest in the black book. Now watch as Oink sticks me with none of the above, even though Valar and I have been bantering about each other's chosen armies for quite a while. :P
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...right, so that's Valar, Zilverscale and Arquarian expressing some level of interest in the black book. Now watch as Oink sticks me with none of the above, even though Valar and I have been bantering about each other's chosen armies for quite a while. :P
I laugh in the face to little black books stupid Engrish kniggit!
Now be gone Or I shall taunt you for a second time!
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The first round, will be, as usual, completely random.
EXCEPT
As always, you may issue a challenge to any other member... on a first come first serve basis...
Of course, they are under no obligation to accept your challenge, but they will of course be a nancy if they don't.
Usually, the first two rounds are random, but if we are playing 6th edition rules we may only get 3 games, so in which case only the first round will be the random / challenge round.
remember that this is based purely on the fact that we don't know what ht e6th edition rules will be and so can't say how long a regular game "should take".
Once all the tickets have been sold, and the 6th ed released, we may have to have a re-vote with everyone involved (because we have some new people who did not ge tthe chance to have their say). At that time we will also need to discuss the "warts" of 6th ed....
I suppose we'll find out in a week or so...
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Personally just looking forward to playing against anyone there, don't intend to properly challenge anyone myself. It will be cool to end up in your little black book though :D Now, to prepare to learn 6th edition just in case and to finish painting my Necrons!
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Once all the tickets have been sold, and the 6th ed released, we may have to have a re-vote with everyone involved (because we have some new people who did not ge tthe chance to have their say). At that time we will also need to discuss the "warts" of 6th ed....
I suppose we'll find out in a week or so...
Anyone not voting for 6th edition is wrong. Just saying :)
Although I would be prepared to remove rules for allies and random terrain effects if ppl really want.
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...right, so that's Valar, Zilverscale and Arquarian expressing some level of interest in the black book. Now watch as Oink sticks me with none of the above, even though Valar and I have been bantering about each other's chosen armies for quite a while. :P
Comments like this make me realise how busy I get and don't comment enough on this thread to assert my authority.
Have we had any legitimate challenges yet? I vote Killing Time acts as Tarrin, as per Tarrin's wishes.
Forget voting: authority asserted. Killing Time is now Tarrin by proxy. Challenge away...
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Comments like this make me realise how busy I get and don't comment enough on this thread to assert my authority.
Have we had any legitimate challenges yet? I vote Killing Time acts as Tarrin, as per Tarrin's wishes.
Forget voting: authority asserted. Killing Time is now Tarrin by proxy. Challenge away...
That's because your a lazy bum!
On another note is Killing Time able to play 17 games in one day? I though we were limited for time.... 8)
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On another note is Killing Time able to play 17 games in one day? I though we were limited for time.... 8)
Oh, you'd be surprised how quickly he's able to lose.....
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The first round, will be, as usual, completely random.
EXCEPT
As always, you may issue a challenge to any other member... on a first come first serve basis...
Of course, they are under no obligation to accept your challenge, but they will of course be a nancy if they don't.
And at what point are these challenges issued? I assume just prior to the start of the second round?
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Usually they are issued prior to the tournament.
Like Anromidius vs Killing time ;)
Thats the only official challange now.
Hmmm think I'll make one vs Hymirl official! (due to slandering of my attempts at painting with not enough time and failing, for what ever reason, to be present during the last Vanquish :P )
Come with your pantsy bikers!
I'll kill em all! :P
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Official tournament challenge rules:
for the purposes of these rules, the term challenger refers to the person issuing a challenge. the term challengee refers to the unsuspecting person being challenged. the term sully, or sullied is strictly reserved for use on, in, at or for the benfit of Tarrin only. Aside from the procedures outlined below, EVERY participant AUTOMATICALLY challenges Hymirl whom must only accept one challenge.
1. a challenge may be issued at any point leading up to the first round draw.
2. a challenge may be issued via public announcement on the official tournament thread OR in person... loudly... and without prejudice.
2.i - a challenger may only challenge a challengee once
2.ii - should a challengee fail to acknowledge said challenge as outlined in clause 4, the challenger may re-issue said challenge as per the guidelines of clause 2, restating any reasons outlined in clause 3 adding failure to acknowledge (clause 4) and general flimsiness.
3. a challenge should state a reason for the grievance, however flimsy or whimsical.
4. a challenge must be acknowledged by the victim, target, challengee by response, and thereon can be accepted or refused.
4.i - where a challengee accepts a challengers challenge, the two will be allocated a table on which to carry out the challenge as part of the first round. neither challenger nor challengee will appear in the first round random draw.
4.ii - where a challengee refuses a challenge he must immediately move to the rear rank he may henceforth be referred to as a nancy.
4.iii - the term nancy may be substituted for equally derogatory and belittling light insults including but not limited to fairy; pansie; or Killing Time.
4.iiii - tournament organisers reserve the right to refuse challenges on account of the fact they are not playing on the day. This does not extend to persons not attending.
5. all challengees may only accept one challenge and all challenges are to be considered on a first come first served basis (aside from the standing Hymirl clause).
couldn't be simpler really.
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Oink may people, who officially challanged Hymirl, issue another challange once Hymirl made his pick of challanger who he wishs to face?
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So Hymirl has a free pick of the litter? At which point does he have to proclaim which challenge is worthy and do the rest of us get to call him nancy?
I think I toss out a challenge to Chuckles just for the chance of my poor Daemons not having to face Space Marines or, even worse, Grey Knights for their first round! Plus, he has always seemed like a lovely chap pedociding maniac...
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Hmmm think I'll make one vs Hymirl official! (due to slandering of my attempts at painting with not enough time and failing, for what ever reason, to be present during the last Vanquish :P )
Come with your pantsy bikers!
I'll kill em all! :P
Challenge accepted. I operate on first come first to get totally destroyed basis.
I did want to challenge Tarrin but as he's not here I can't. And I'm not fighting Killing Time as that's not actually challenging. Because he plays eldar.
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WTF?
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WTF?
The Sullied Infection already takes hold.... may the Dark Gods Emperor Mork/Gork insert name <here> have mercy.
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WTF?
Being Killing Time and Tarrin by proxy is a hard life, eh?
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Official tournament challenge rules:
In that case I challenge Valar to a duel on the basis that we've both been hankering for a good game against each other for a while now, and neither of us have had the same day free for gaming for a while now.
That, and he got my hopes up with all this talk of Orks, only to tell me he may not bring them after all :P
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Official tournament challenge rules:
In that case I challenge Valar to a duel on the basis that we've both been hankering for a good game against each other for a while now, and neither of us have had the same day free for gaming for a while now.
That, and he got my hopes up with all this talk of Orks, only to tell me he may not bring them after all :P
(https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi35.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fd199%2Fmarvinio%2Fchallenge.jpg&hash=9154c8d8df0df88e6d328284668978bfdf22b66a)
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Being Killing Time and Tarrin by proxy is a hard life, eh?
I can imagine it would be pretty hard. If you take my large bag of awesome and add KT's not inconsiderable amount then you simply have too much beslubbering awesome in one place. It would take a great man to consider it. Thankfully KT is such a man!
Now after that praise you had better smash Andro!
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Surely having someone else fight your battle for you automatically incurs the sulliment clause. I mean, Tarrin can hardly claim any victories won on his behalf to be unsullied can he?
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I can imagine it would be pretty hard.
That's what she said then disappointment set in.....
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I can imagine it would be pretty hard.
That's what she said then disappointment set in.....
ROFLMAO!
Or not so hard.... :P
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I know the date has been set for the 19th, but how difficult would it be to move it to the next sunday (26th), so that Tarrin could go?
Of course thats assuming that everyone else is ok with that.
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Aww. Thanks dav. But it's set. There will be other years and I'm just saving all my good dice for next time.
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I know the date has been set for the 19th, but how difficult would it be to move it to the next sunday (26th), so that Tarrin could go?
Of course thats assuming that everyone else is ok with that.
If you want to contact all of the 30+ people that are currently paid up and individually get their consent then I'm not stopping you... and then you need to contact Triple Helix and ask if they can change the date.
Otherwise it'll be on the 19th.
Surely having someone else fight your battle for you automatically incurs the sulliment clause. I mean, Tarrin can hardly claim any victories won on his behalf to be unsullied can he?
An interesting point...
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4.ii - where a challengee refuses a challenge he must immediately move to the rear rank he may henceforth be referred to as a nancy.
i offically call Oink a NANCY for refusing my challenge!!!!
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4.iiii - tournament organisers reserve the right to refuse challenges on account of the fact they are not playing on the day. This does not extend to persons not attending.
invoking rule clause 4.iii which was not just strategically added by me just a few seconds ago at all.
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4.iiii - tournament organisers reserve the right to refuse challenges on account of the fact they are not playing on the day. This does not extend to persons not attending.
invoking rule clause 4.iii which was not just strategically added by me just a few seconds ago at all.
hmmm thats sound like a weaselly nancy boy excuse to me!
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4.iiii - tournament organisers reserve the right to refuse challenges on account of the fact they are not playing on the day. This does not extend to persons not attending.
invoking rule clause 4.iii which was not just strategically added by me just a few seconds ago at all.
The ruleslawyer is strong in this one.
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I wish to put forward a motion to have this diabolical clause 4iii removed.
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I wish to put forward a motion to have this diabolical clause 4iii removed.
Seconded!
Though I already made my challange and it was accepted! :P
Though if you are arriving a day before you might try to challange Oink on saturday :P
Although I would be prepared to remove rules for allies and random terrain effects if ppl really want.
I'd keep everything in...it is 6th after all not 5.5 ;)
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My attendance is now in some doubt as the 19th is the last day of Gamescom where I will probably need to go and do press stuff for my game. Currently no-one at work can even tell me if we will be at Gamescom let alone if I will need to go but it's a good bet that we will and I will (as the most senior English speaker on the creative side of the project). As soon as I know one way or the other I'll let the organisation team know.
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I haven't forgotten about you guys, honest! I am still waiting for my rota from august onwards to know if I can come.
Chances are it will be Eldar as usual but might bring the Dark Eldar if they are done in time, thought I would give you a taster of me getting back into painting.
(https://www.40konline.com/MGalleryItem.php?id=4551)
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Looking good.
Only the cockpit needs to be done then it is finshed ;)
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Hi all,
I've just had confirmation of the sale of two tickets to a Tristan. I know this isn't SCO, but who is this? Is this you Killing Time??
SCO, I'm messaging THW to track down your order.
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Hey sorry, yes Tristan is me :)
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Having almost (but not quite fully) recovered from the shock of finding out that I'm to be Tarrin's proxy on the day (and who wouldn't feel sullied by the very thought of it, if not downright violated?), I am pleased to announce that I'll also be kicking arses and taking names under my own banner as well.
Difficult to know how much awesome can be squeezed into one frail human body, but I'm disabling the safeties and going for the win.
Just one question for the organizers:
In the very real scenario that someone feels the need to challenge Killing Time (the man, the legend, the original), how will we get around the slight inconvenience presented by the law of physics that stipulates that I can be both Killing Time and Tarrin at the same time, but only if I'm not observed at two tables with two armies and two opponents (henceforth known as the sullied quantum uncertainty principal)?
An igNobel prize for any successful solutions.
A bag of sulliment for all other unadulterated waffling around the subject.
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Maybe your challangers will be man enough to take on both of you at the same time 8)
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Okay cheers, I've updated the first post and will e-mail you the pack in due course.
right then lads; I need people to confirm if they have paid BUT NOT received an e-mail from me. That way I can check to se who I may have slipped by, or, who THW has neglected to tell me about. a pm would probably be best to stop additional clutter here.
SCO, I need you to confirm how many tickets you bought. It seems as though you got 3. Also, I need you to confirm your e-mail address with me, it seems as though your e-mail may have gone to the incorrect address. pm please.
Also, Killing Time, I can't see your username on the list on teh first page, can you help me out here by telling me if you are on that list (maybe I have your real name down but no username associated with it!?)
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Oink
I'm No7 on the list just noted as Alex.
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Just one question for the organizers:
In the very real scenario that someone feels the need to challenge Killing Time (the man, the legend, the original), how will we get around the slight inconvenience presented by the law of physics that stipulates that I can be both Killing Time and Tarrin at the same time, but only if I'm not observed at two tables with two armies and two opponents (henceforth known as the sullied quantum uncertainty principal)?
This is an easy one to answer. Because you can be thought of as a wave as well as a particle, you will have a waveform that is uncertain until it is observed. You may be in one of two states at any given time - either Tarrin or killing Time. By co-opting parts of quantum entanglement theory, as long as neither of your wavestates is collapsed you can be both at once.
Therefore if anyone attempts to observe your state, you should claim to be a non-euclidian, n-dimensional super string. As nobody properly understands string theory and the ones that pretend to understand it don't believe in it anyway, your state will remain uncertain as long as Michio Kaku is not in the room anywhere.
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I'm pretty sure that if Michio Kaku played 40K, he'd be too busy writing a book on the mechanics of Necron tech to bother with our little tournament.
Seriously, Physics Of The Impossible led me more than once to suspect that Kaku's a Necron player, although I'm trying to remember why I thought that.
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I'm pretty sure that if Michio Kaku played 40K, he'd be too busy writing a book on the mechanics of Necron tech to bother with our little tournament.
Seriously, Physics Of The Impossible led me more than once to suspect that Kaku's a Necron player, although I'm trying to remember why I thought that.
Or and Eldar player :P
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Ha! I only read the last reply, before the quote box, and immediately thought 'what the beslubber are they whining about now', little realising that I had jumped in to the tail end of a discussion on the quantum state of tarrin/killing time. I stand corrected, and promise never to think the worst of eldar players again.
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I stand corrected, and promise never to think the worst of eldar players again.
dont make promises you cant keep!
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Hello
Im new to the forum and this tornament. Im part of the Street warhammer group and am comming up to the tornament with Ginzu (Steve). I have a question about my Tryanid army. The army is fully painted the only thing is i dident put Adrenal glands and Toxin sacks on the models as i dident have enoth of them. Will this be a problem in turms of deduction points or not a legal army for the tornament??
Grubsnik
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I don't think anyone would have a problem with this at all.
We are not that hard up on stuff like that... it's not like you're bringing a coke can and saying its a carnifex.
However, in the interests of identification what you may want to make clear is when two "like" units are equipped slightly differently ie: if you have two units of hormagants, and only one has toxin sacks then you will probably want to have some way to identify which easily... this could even just be a small paint mark on the rim of the bases. That way your opponent and you can see if two units that look the same are actually different (and this may help avoid any in game issues... which is really the reason for wysiwyg in the first place)
if all of the "like" your models are equipped the same then there wouldn't even be an issue anyway.
Also, take your pick on which dwarf you would like to be known as (see first post) :P
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Missed this thread for a few weeks and just read through the last few pages.... i think im going to study string theory and then see if the last few pages make any more sense.
Also after reading all the stuff going around for 6th i think ill change my earlier vote to 6th. But can we please avoid allies and random terrain etc... seems like they will slow down the game especially when we are getting to grips with the book.
-M4rt0k
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So we choose our dwarf? Ok then, since Dave reckons I should take Doc, I'd take Doc! Real name's Nathaniel btw though everyone just calls me Nath. Gotta say like the rest of the street lot, I am greatly looking forward to playing against new people (especially since you lot have a heck of a lot of experience)
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Btw was wondering why is Tarrin considered sullied?
Ok true I did beat him the one and only time I played him XD
But it was a great fluff list to play against. (8x8 Khorne list somewhere in Chaos section)
(Think I had the more sullied list that game)
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It is not really anything to do with his army lists... It comes as a result of, and directly linked to the fact that despite his friendly demeanure, jolly good chap...ness, and his otherwise "tame" looking lists, Tarrin manages to somehow obtain the eye of the dice gods in a way which can only mean that he has indeed sold his soul.
You kind of needed to be there last year when he enacted the most god awful deep strike mishap right in the heart of my mech guard army... yet, by some fluke of nature managed to end up in the ONLY other spot large enough to fit his unit of obliterators!? This was already after my entire army found itself incapable of destroying any rhino tanks thanks, in no small part to the passing of an unnatural number of smoke cover saves...
He his not natural... and should be avoided.
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Hmm loyalist guard?
My guard have no problems with this as we get to sacrifice enough human babies to please the dark one (Malal in my armies case ;) )
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He his not natural... and should be avoided.
I think we should mate.
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He his not natural... and should be avoided.
I think we should mate.
ROFLMAO
Dunno what Tarrin's missus would say about that :P
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He his not natural... and should be avoided.
I think we should mate.
ROFLMAO
Dunno what Tarrin's missus would say about that :P
I'm still trying to get my head around the string theory thing to work out who I'm actually enamoured with!
Back to the tournement! Will fancy dress be mandatroy?
Lets face it, I need another way for people to remember me by rather than just the guy with the Corsair army who got roundly beaten. Oh and who tried it on with the KillingTime/Tarrin-time-space-continuium conundrum of course.
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Quick note for you all:
Oink and I will have the final say of which rules we will and won't be playing for 6th edition. We are very much open to discussion and look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts and opinions on why you would want to ignore some of them. However, I do not deal well with people whining because they jump to conclusions and enjoy the sound of their own whiney voice.
I am very much of the opinion that everything is in and we shouldn't bother cherry-picking which rules we do and don't like. I've just had a read through White Dwarf and Allies seems like an integral part of 40k now. I do not care about how many of you moan and whine about all the potential unit selections that people could take because most of the whine comes from pure theory and not the practical application of how many of our 40 participants have access to 8 Flying Monstrous creatures or what have you.
We allow Forge World for the very reason that this is a friendly tournament for gamers to come down and show off the cool models in their collection and the allies rules just lets us see more cool models and more diverse games.
In regards to mysterious terrain -- the White Dwarf also seems to imply that you and your opponent agree before the battle which terrain has potentially crazy abilities. Which means if you and your opponent don't want the hassle of man-eating terrain, don't play it -- if you do then go nuts!
To reiterate, and I will be stressing this point heavily in the morning on the day -- this is a FRIENDLY tournament. It is for people who love 40k to get together and play some awesome games with people who they chat to all day on the internet about their awesome games. That means for some of our participants these could be their first sixth edition games and they've only glanced at the rulebook since its release, or for some of our participants they will have mastered sixth's rule-set and no longer need to refer to the rulebook to check if they are playing correctly.
Considering that some of you paint entire armies the night before in your hotel room, hand me your army lists in the morning scribbled on the back of last night's bar tab or have not even played a game of fifth edition since the previous year's tournament, I'm confident the 50 days you have from sixth edition's release to our little do at Triple Helix more than enough time to understand what it means if your opponent turns up with a Fortress of Redemption or 3 Storm Talons or a Tau gunline backed up by Grey Knight Terminators...
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Btw was wondering why is Tarrin considered sullied?
It is not really anything to do with his army lists... It comes as a result of, and directly linked to the fact that despite his friendly demeanure, jolly good chap...ness, and his otherwise "tame" looking lists, Tarrin manages to somehow obtain the eye of the dice gods in a way which can only mean that he has indeed sold his soul.
the Udders of Thoth. Its almost always because he commits a minor rules infraction early in the game which then provides a slight advantage. Hereafter any win must be considered sullied. Happens more often in Blood Bowl.
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the Udders of Thoth. Its almost always because he commits a minor rules infraction early in the game which then provides a slight advantage.
And then proceeds to paint a picture of gross negligence and misconduct at any slight laps of concentration on the part of his opponent...
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Slight lapses! Cough, splutter. ;)
Its all hearsay seriouscallers. You can't prove anything.
You guys beslubbering love it. Hehe.
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At this stage the entire event should just be renamed the 2012 Sullied Games and be done with it. Tarrin's sullied taint will always be associated with the event no matter what.
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Have I still not been added to the list? Tut tut! And yeah, I might even be able to pay!
Also, if Killing Time aka Alex is taking Tarrin's spot as official Andro opponant #1 and also gives me a lift there I can start my pre-match taunting a few hours in advance. Which may then give me enough time to actually deploy my army.
*cough* Not that I'm hinting that I would like a lift at all *cough*
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*cough* Not that I'm hinting that I would like a lift at all *cough*
lol
You sure you want a lift in a car that is by default sullied? :P
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And then proceeds to paint a picture of gross negligence and misconduct at any slight laps of concentration on the part of his opponent
Aah, I see you have played him before.
Its all hearsay seriouscallers. You can't prove anything.
Do I need to call witnesses? Is Final Justice in the building?
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Perhaps there should be a Tarrin award this year for the most sullied victory? I'm sure the organisers could come up with a suitable award to reflect such an achievement.
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Have I still not been added to the list? Tut tut! And yeah, I might even be able to pay!
Also, if Killing Time aka Alex is taking Tarrin's spot as official Andro opponant #1 and also gives me a lift there I can start my pre-match taunting a few hours in advance. Which may then give me enough time to actually deploy my army.
*cough* Not that I'm hinting that I would like a lift at all *cough*
confused.com
Have you bought your ticket? (when?)
Have you received an e-mail from Triple Helix Wargames?
Did you receive the pack from me?
Andro, is your meatspace name on the list?
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Quick note for you all:
Oink and I will have the final say of which rules we will and won't be playing for 6th edition. We are very much open to discussion and look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts and opinions on why you would want to ignore some of them. However, I do not deal well with people whining because they jump to conclusions and enjoy the sound of their own whiney voice.
I think I just got dragged out back and shot lol. Sanguinary priests all round for the Wolves then i guess. Can't wait to actually get the book in hand and work out how all the craziness actually works.
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Good luck with that... from the sounds of things you will need to fill out some mandatory choices for the detachment in addition to those of your own army... and even then there are both limitations on the quantity and types of units you can ally, as well as the level to which they are allowed to share army rules & interact. It's obviously not clear yet, but if this is still further restricted by your own FoC (can't see why it wouldn't be) then you'd have even more trouble trying to blow it out of the water...
This is exactly the reason why we all need to actually know the rules in order to make any firm decisions about them.
(I'd be all for not using allies... basically because Zilverscale has enough trouble choosing an army as it is without opening up several hundred additional potential combinations!! )
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Actually in terms of Wolves + Blood Angels its pretty simple. Wolf army + 1 hq probably a libby and then 1 troop so assault sqd with a cheap razorback and then you can take 1 more troop elite or fast attack. So as sang priests are 3 for one elite choice i can get them put one in the razor and run behind the thunderwolves and then ... actually probably leave it with the one riding behind the thunderwolves as its pretty cheap for the bonus of Battle Brothers allowing Furious Charge and feel no pain. Sure its quite expensive just to unlock Sang Priests but a fast razorback sounds perfect to support the Thunderwolves. The only real tax is the HQ as he is not quite as awesome as the rune priest but still adds some s10 in combat to the army.
Of course its the Battle Brothers bit that needs clarification from reading the book as if they aren't giving out USRs then the point is moot.
The bit i find really weird is the fortifications added to the FOC. What happens if a fortress of redemption does not fit in your deployment zone without moving the terrain already there?
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I expect g00gle5 will be along very soon with any clarification according to this (https://www.facebook.com/prometheangames)!!!
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I expect g00gle5 will be along very soon with any clarification according to this (https://www.facebook.com/prometheangames)!!!
Saw that and I am massively jealous
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Actually in terms of Wolves + Blood Angels its pretty simple...
Although there is the consideration that turning up to a friendly style tournament with a WAAC list designed to abuse as many rules as possible in order to produce cheap talentless wins like say... long fang + thunderwolf spam used to is probably cause for a less than favourable reputation. And hopefully a mugging in the car park if at all possible!
Just to put that out there! :D
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confused.com
Have you bought your ticket? (when?)
Have you received an e-mail from Triple Helix Wargames?
Did you receive the pack from me?
Andro, is your meatspace name on the list?
I ment that my name wasn't on the list, I've not paid yet :P But I want it reserved!
Where's the payment details anyway? i.e. Where do I throw my money at the screen?
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oh, well get a move on damn you! lol
Unfortunately, we cannot confirm any reserves because tickets are being sold by an outside party (the venue).
I suggest you buy your ticket quick time though, as we only have 5 spaces left... and you never know when someone like Ginzu might come around and snap them all up in one go!
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(I'd be all for not using allies... basically because Zilverscale has enough trouble choosing an army as it is without opening up several hundred additional potential combinations!! )
Jups...though one of my armies still has the allied rule in it :D
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Actually in terms of Wolves + Blood Angels its pretty simple...
Although there is the consideration that turning up to a friendly style tournament with a WAAC list designed to abuse as many rules as possible in order to produce cheap talentless wins like say... long fang + thunderwolf spam used to is probably cause for a less than favourable reputation. And hopefully a mugging in the car park if at all possible!
Just to put that out there! :D
That was pretty much the point I was making about Allies.
Currently struggling to decide which army to actually take. The Wolves are ready to go but I have a Blood Angel list I have been playing around with.. and with the new rules for rage giving +2 A on the charge I am excited to put Death Company on the table again...
Easier way to decide who's taking Blood Angels and who is taking Space Wolves?
-M4rt0k
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oh, well get a move on damn you! lol
Unfortunately, we cannot confirm any reserves because tickets are being sold by an outside party (the venue).
I suggest you buy your ticket quick time though, as we only have 5 spaces left... and you never know when someone like Ginzu might come around and snap them all up in one go!
Where's the payment details then? :P I can't seem to find them!
Found it!
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I just had a thought: I've been working on a custom Grand Master for my army that uses one of the Space Wolf axes instead of a Nemesis Sword. Would it be alright for me to use this model at the tournament (If I decide to), I intend to use the axe as just a flashy looking Sword so I can still get that plus one to my CC Invulnerable Save
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I just had a thought: I've been working on a custom Grand Master for my army that uses one of the Space Wolf axes instead of a Nemesis Sword. Would it be alright for me to use this model at the tournament (If I decide to), I intend to use the axe as just a flashy looking Sword so I can still get that plus one to my CC Invulnerable Save
Hell yea it is...
Like I tried to explain previously, WYSIWYG is only really important when it comes to differentiating "similar" models. people are generally more than happy to have "counts as" models and conversions and you are not limited to using Games Workshop models... this really opens up a range of opportunities for using other models if you want!
It is just important to ensure that you have a clearly written out army list and be able to identify elements to your opponent just in order to stop any mid game surprises!
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Hell yea it is...
Like I tried to explain previously, WYSIWYG is only really important when it comes to differentiating "similar" models. people are generally more than happy to have "counts as" models and conversions and you are not limited to using Games Workshop models... this really opens up a range of opportunities for using other models if you want!
It is just important to ensure that you have a clearly written out army list and be able to identify elements to your opponent just in order to stop any mid game surprises!
Don't worry I intend to (been using a handy app on my Ipod called "Quartermaster" to help me add up and maintain my lists). And thanks, I figured I should double check as some people can get really funny about silly lil things like custom models so I wanted to doublecheck. Fortunatly I don't have a lot of cash to spare at present otherwise most of my army would look irregular and not all too "Inquistiony".
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The previous poll has been removed. A new poll can be added if wished to discuss rule inclusion/exclusion but I suggest an all in or all out approach myself.
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I have my spot paid for now. Everyone beware!
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The previous poll has been removed. A new poll can be added if wished to discuss rule inclusion/exclusion but I suggest an all in or all out approach myself.
Having not read the rules yet but from the sound of it there really isn't anything that should sting enough for it to be excluded. Sure, someone could go out and buy some fortifications (or whatever) and be a douche about it but I doubt removing any such element would actually remove said douchiness from the person in question.
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There are some immediate deal breakers off from the start yet the important word is immediate. With the month and a half between the tourny these "win buttons" will be discussed and destroyed as appropriately. Nothing is eternal. Except Tarrin's sullied. That's never going away.
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So first off 6th is great me and Google have managed to get through a few 875pt games so far.
First off I like the fact you can take allies however the only thing that annoys the .......... out of me is the stupid and grossly unfair allies table which you cannot even explain by fluff...
So my vote if we do vote is to amend allies rules so that anyone can ally with anyone as this would present much greater list building possibilities but have no positive or negative effects placed upon them.
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that would appear to be far more open to abuse... I'd be more inclined to just do away with allies altogether and simply play the rules with an army from a single codex - we are already allowing some mixing and matching because of the inclusion of forge world and the fact we are allowing this means that there is potential for even further abuse... you can see it now, any army can have a cheese drill in it!!!
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I definitely think there is no reason to allow Forgeworld but disallow core rules from the game. If anything it would make more logical sense to allow Allies and fortifications etc rather than Forgeworld.
Nothing seems particularly gamebreaking about allies anyway, all the FAQs seemed geared toward not allowing powers between allies very often and there are few enough battle brothers anyway.
This tournement to me (from my experience of last year) seems to be about everyone bringing whatever they want, playing with it and having a good time, ad allies seems the perfect compliment to that :)
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thats the thing - I'd love to just say "yeah, play it as it is"... and leave it at that. If some armies get more potential for allies than others then so be it... the only thing I don't want to happen is simply see things thrown together for abusive reasons (and I think that by opening all allies to all armies might result in this... there may well be a reason why there are certain restrictions!)
I'm loving the missions and these will be great to play.
Once people start getting 6th ed games in I think it will be useful to get comments on how long games take so we can work out if we can keep the 4games or have to drop to 3...
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My initial reaction is that things die quicker in general so games can be quicker if people are more familiar with the rules. For example wound allocation seems to be much quicker.
I think we might just have to see how the day goes. Perhaps plan for 4 or even 5 but if people don't finish the first game very quickly then knock the last game off and give everyone a bit more time. Or vice versa, plan for less but if people finish two quickly add a bonus game in.
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There are rules for general friendly play and rules for fair competition. Perhaps we should give it a few weeks of playtesting first before making decisions, while I'm sure there are nasty combos in allies are they really worse than things you can do in one org chart.
I'd be inclined to play as standard, we'll be among the first events to use 6th so it would be interesting to have a full test drive so to speak. Lessons can be remembered for next year. :D
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I'd be inclined to play as standard, we'll be among the first events to use 6th so it would be interesting to have a full test drive so to speak. Lessons can be remembered for next year. :D
I'm with him. If dirty deeds are to be exposed then let us do it here and now. Go on, do your worst. Can't be any more spiritually harming than Tarrin or certain individuals just going for a net spam list of woo hoo rather than making their own mind up.
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I say run with it as it is in the big book.
If your going to sit there for days trying to write an evil list with broken allied combos you are missing the point and should go and play with the rankings chasing spam merchants.
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I haven't seen the new book yet (should be waiting on my doorstep when I get home ;D), but I think we have to go all or nothing. In fact, I think we have to go "all"; these are the rules we will have to play with if we go to any official events from now on, so why not learn to use them as written, and find out what tricks or challenges that throws up?
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and I think that by opening all allies to all armies might result in this... there may well be a reason why there are certain restrictions!)
Come on really....you honestly believe what you just wrote I mean tyranids and no one.........?
FAQ have started to go a long way towards making codex specific things only work for the units in it and not their allies.
I believe allies are a good even if they way they have done it is stupid.
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and I think that by opening all allies to all armies might result in this... there may well be a reason why there are certain restrictions!)
Come on really....you honestly believe what you just wrote I mean tyranids and no one.........?
hehe, probably not! but you never know! :P
In light of the 6th Ed. updates though, I'm pretty sure that they are working towards preventing overabuse of the ally system. There is some clever re-wording of particular items of wargear to try and stop the most obvious elements transferring between allies... granted, there'll still be some elements to exploit - but again, probably no worse than was "previously" being created out of a single codex anyway.
having started to go through certain elements of the book there is one thing which I am unsure how to implement, if at all... and that is Army Fortifications.
i like the idea of them... BUT there is an issue with using them.
If you read the setting up a battle section it notes that when you arrive at the table it has no terrain on it... so, picking sides is irrelevant (which is why i couldn't find about rolling for this!) What happens is that you deploy your fortification on your half of the table (it can be outside of your deployment zone but still needs to be in your half) and after fortifications are down you take it in turns to place scenery. There are a number of restrictions on this, but for now I'll side-step them because we have hit our first issue.
in a tournament we would traditionally have all the tables set up ready and waiting. you are assigned your table and off you go. This means that we miss the chance for fortifications... and if a table is already set up then you may find that there simply is no room for your army fortification at all (bearing in mind that no terrain can be within 3" of another piece). what happens to it then?
The way I see it, having a "terrain deployment" time slot before each game is not an option as it would eat into tons of time. But we have a number of choices:
1; simply remove the fortification from the army FoC.
Being that armies don't take any fortifications of their own. of course, the new and expanded terrain rules does mean that we can still use highly interactive terrain based on the things that are on each table. So, if a table does have a number of bastions (or bunkers), or a skyshield (or landing pad) then we can use the respective expanded terrain rules to make them useful.
2; allow army fortifications, but adapt the rules for their implementation.
so, an army can buy some terrain, but we will need to come up with a new way of adding it in.
2a; one option would be to replace an existing piece of terrain on the board with the new fortification, taking up a similar footprint. this avoids over-density. The problem is that normally the other terrain is deployed after, so the opponent in this case will not have the opportunity to mitigate the situation. This piece could be chosen randomly, or, perhaps the opponent is given the chance to re-arrange some terrain... again, the issue is that this will all add time - and this would be the only reason I'd vote for option 1.
Also, we will also need to add a separate roll off for players to pick table sides. This is not in the current rules.
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The setting up terrain rules are pretty retarded actually, even the forging a narritive suggests trying to advantage yourself as much as possible! ::)
Here is a simple alternative: players roll to pick a table side after deployment type is decided. They must place any defenses before either player deploys anything else. Defenses cannot be placed in or on existing terrain nor placed closer than 2" to impassible terrain already on the board.
The player that won the roll off to pick table side now deploys his army first.
Ta-Da! :)
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But what if you don't have space or your army bought terrain to fit on the board? it is not too advantageous, knowing the rest of the terrain set up already there, to be able to deploy your fortification in the absolute best spot... and the enemy no longer gets the chance to use terrain set up to try and set up some sort of defence against it... (such as deploying los blocking terrain near to it or other suitable items to help with their advance... or non-los blocking terrain in order to help draw a los to it!?!)
i think it's all fraught with too many questions and potential issues!?
I really can't see a FAIR way to be able to implement them... (yet).
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Replace is a good idea but restrictions/conditions would have to be in place for example if it is just swap you could have someone remove a tiny or massive piece of scenery and replace with a massive or tiny piece of scenery .......
Also would need to let people know their next table a little earlier so that any scenery etc... could be put in place before we get to the actual game thus not wasting time.
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Add "If it doesn't fit you can't use it."
Which deals with the fortress of redemption.
To be honest I dont see the issue. Deploying a bunker isn't different from replying anything else. And it's a useful way to balance flyers as many armies have no anti-air option of their own.
Just think is it worse than the old thunderwolf/long fang spam, or draigo+paladin net lists we've seen in the past? I think not. Or as a really horrifying idea, someone could turn up with a 9 vendetta army... probably nastier than any combination of allies and defenses! :-\
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well if we find out how many people are thinking of bringing fortifications then we can find out whether or not its an issue
could always use it as a poll so people dont have to give part of the army list away
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The alternative could be that each game now has Terrain Setup as par a normal game. And thus each table will have differently arranged terrain for each game.
Then the Fortifications fit in perfectly okay.
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There is a bit on page 118 about rolling for tablesides. But yes it makes very little difference unless you're playing an a Realm of Battle board.
We could allow players to move the scenery around. 5 minutes to deploy fortifications and then set up terrain- I agree with the book that a board with a narrative to it is better than random placement.
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We could allow players to move the scenery around. 5 minutes to deploy fortifications and then set up terrain- I agree with the book that a board with a narrative to it is better than random placement.
Actually totally against this as the orginisers have set up the terrain and are not biased.
I'd avoid anything containing moving terrain around...pretty sure official/ranked tourny orginisers will cut out this part of the rules.
I like Hymirl's solution.
If it does not fit it cannot be deployed.
Things like wall sections could be set up between terrain indicating using excisting terrain alongside fortifications etc.
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It's good to see that the argument here is based on having too *much* scenery rather than the usual case of there being far too *little.*
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Oink, shush. Stop intimidating the participants with your theoretical rules problems! You'll scare them away and we'll have to spend the day herding them again.
I will tell you now that we 100% will be playing with Fortifications. And here is how it will work:
1. Players roll to pick a table side after deployment type is decided.
2. They must place any defenses before either player deploys anything else.
3. Defenses cannot be placed in or on existing terrain, nor placed closer than 2" to impassible terrain already on the board.
4. If this is not possible inform a tournament organiser, who will impartially rearrange the terrain so your fortification may be placed.
5. The player that won the roll off to pick table side now deploys his army first.
Any questions?
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I just want to be sure that we have thought of all eventualities so that we can use all of the rules... working my way through the book at the minute I would want to use everything... and fortifications are simply cool, if nothing else!
Do we say that if the opposing player does not have any fortifications then they are allowed to "re-deploy" one item of terrain? although this might cause further trouble in terms of "terrain density" or what-not...
in any case - you're right in that we'll be there to help ruthlessly overcome any quibbles... though I will need to take some lessons in ruthless from you beforehand g00gle5!!!
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Do we say that if the opposing player does not have any fortifications then they are allowed to "re-deploy" one item of terrain? although this might cause further trouble in terms of "terrain density" or what-not...
It is the players choice to have taken or not taken scenery, to do the above would be unfair on those who have spent points from their list to be able to do this.
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I just want to be sure that we have thought of all eventualities...
Don't worry. Somebody will think of something you haven't no matter what. The trick is to wing it at the last minute in a confident manner that makes everyone think you know what you're doing. This is a tried and tested tournament running technique.
Google is well practised in this technique, normally with the sleep deprivation variation method.
Do we say that if the opposing player does not have any fortifications then they are allowed to "re-deploy" one item of terrain?
No, you say "You snooze you lose!" and they man up and get over it. :D
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in any case - you're right in that we'll be there to help ruthlessly overcome any quibbles... though I will need to take some lessons in ruthless from you beforehand g00gle5!!!
you need to teach him google, as hes a nancy!
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in any case - you're right in that we'll be there to help ruthlessly overcome any quibbles... though I will need to take some lessons in ruthless from you beforehand g00gle5!!!
you need to teach him google, as hes a nancy!
Ahem... clause 4.iii
I'll remember your words when you need a referee :P
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Abuses of power....i like it ??? Do you take bribes?
Of note.....Google is only ruthless when his little lady is not around otherwise he is a big girls blouse.
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Abuses of power....i like it ??? Do you take bribes?
Of note.....Google is only ruthless when his little lady is not around otherwise he is a big girls blouse.
1. I'm listening :P
and
2. You better hope g00gle5 doesn't see that ;D
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1. I'm listening :P
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2. You better hope g00gle5 doesn't see that ;D
I figure he is biased against me anyway so i need to get on at least one of you guys good sides :o
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Anyone else noticed that the FAQ's neatly deminished the power of ally taking.
As in Sanguinary Priests NOT being able to dish out FC and FnP to units not from their own codex etc etc?
FW has taken down their FAQ's etc hoping they will be back with 6th ed FAQ's quickly :)
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Probably because the prospect of Feel No Pain Carnifexes was a bit much even for the playesters.
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Probably because the prospect of Feel No Pain Carnifexes was a bit much even for the playesters.
*looks at ally table*
Only MC's that might have had a benifit would have been Avatar, Wraithlord and Dreadknight.
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Probably because the prospect of Feel No Pain Carnifexes was a bit much even for the playesters.
*looks at ally table*
Only MC's that might have had a benifit would have been Avatar, Wraithlord and Dreadknight.
thats still grim. espically if you did the forgeworld eldar list where you can have 5 wraithlords, then use allies to have 3 preists so they all have feel no pain!
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well, I would have thought that the allies matrix actually refers to codexes, as opposed to "races" so in fact forge world lists would not be able to ally, because they do not feature on the matrix at all. Of course, when FW update their stuff.
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In that vein where do the FW lists sit in the Matrix?
For Example I plan on bringing a Corsair army. As I see it Corsairs sit somewhere in between CWE and DE so should be battle brothers with these guys fo sho, would be allies of conveience with all the guys the CWE and DE can ally with..... and possibly desparate allies with a couple of other races (not Chaos or Nids)
Other guys are planning to bring other races to the tournement so this probably needs some thought....
Of course this may be settled when the FW FAQ's come out.
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IMO. They don't. simple as that. unless forge world faqs them when they release their updated info to allow them to take allies (or be allies) then they don't fall within the matrix at all and so would only be usable as stand alone armies.
Note that I would sya this goes for all "stand alone" forge world lists including things like the Krieg Siege Army. As, although they may be "part of" existing races (Imperial Guard), they are not part of the same armies (Imperial Guard Codex). In such cases, unless otherwise told by FW released rules, they are effectively like having "space marines" and "blood angels"... both are the same race, but they are different armies... and matrixed separately.
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IMO. They don't. simple as that. unless forge world faqs them when they release their updated info to allow them to take allies (or be allies) then they don't fall within the matrix at all and so would only be usable as stand alone armies.
Note that I would sya this goes for all "stand alone" forge world lists including things like the Krieg Siege Army. As, although they may be "part of" existing races (Imperial Guard), they are not part of the same armies (Imperial Guard Codex). In such cases, unless otherwise told by FW released rules, they are effectively like having "space marines" and "blood angels"... both are the same race, but they are different armies... and matrixed separately.
A logical ruling, I'll run with that.
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Probably because the prospect of Feel No Pain Carnifexes was a bit much even for the playesters.
*looks at ally table*
Only MC's that might have had a benifit would have been Avatar, Wraithlord and Dreadknight.
I'm not comforted by that clarification. If anything, that's much worse!
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Probably because the prospect of Feel No Pain Carnifexes was a bit much even for the playesters.
*looks at ally table*
Only MC's that might have had a benifit would have been Avatar, Wraithlord and Dreadknight.
I'm not comforted by that clarification. If anything, that's much worse!
No worries Andro! ;D
Was just a what if these could be used on allies.
Which is not the case luckily :)
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Maybe I'm just getting a bit nervous, but do we have a plan if Forge World are s--l--o--w to publish updates? For non-vehicles we can probably work out what their current unit type is without too much problem, but if my Tetras don't get an update stating their hull points, does that mean I can't field them?
I'm just hoping that any update will be a free pdf download (seems to be what they've done in the past) rather than, "here's a £60 book to buy if you want to know how our stuff works with the new game" (the pic in White Dwarf of Forge World Aeronautica makes me suspicious).
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faqs
Forge World - Downloads (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/Downloads.html)
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I had a pm from another user commenting that they were under the impression FW will be releasing updates today.
From my point of view - In teh absence of any "in print" or "current" updates I would suggest that we would have to go by rules as they appear in publications. An update that has been redacted, for all intents and purposes, no longer exists no? But this would mean that the tetras would use the erm... not so good rulse from the original IA Vol:3.
There may be a strong enough arguement to suggest that the redacted pdf would still be valid.
In terms of interaction with the new rules... if FW do not release their updates then I can only suggest that anyone wishing to use forge world submits their lists so that we, as tournament organisers can effectively update the units you want to use. This way though, we will only need to update units that you actually want to use, rather than do everything. of course, you'd be able to choose not to use this unit if you didn't want to and alter your list etc...
I think I'm going to send FW a message and see if they are willing to give me a time scale... they are usually not too bad with responding to stuff.
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I just went to the site...
erm...
ninja'd
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Yes, FW spent dozens of minutes updating their rules. Maybe even baker's dozens! ::)
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Wow I can't believe this is still going, I actually helped to organize the first few of these tournaments years and years ago... I'm thinking it was maybe 2005 or 2006...
I don't use the forum very often, like maybe once every couple of months if that, and don't ever look at the regional thread so I had no idea this was all still going on, amazing.
Well best of luck with it.
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so are you gonna come!!??
Its a bit further than you might remember... but its grown from 5 or 6 to nearly 40!!!
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From my point of view - In teh absence of any "in print" or "current" updates I would suggest that we would have to go by rules as they appear in publications. An update that has been redacted, for all intents and purposes, no longer exists no? But this would mean that the tetras would use the erm... not so good rulse from the original IA Vol:3.
As the update essentially only gives unit types and hull points, I have to agree that we should really go back to the printed rules. In which case the tetras are going back on the shelf :(. Oh well, I have enough carbine FWs to field as pathfinders.
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its grown from 5 or 6 to nearly 40!!!
Wow your obviously doing a lot better job of organizing it than I ever did then. But yeah if there are tickets available I'll probably pop by. I'm this guy btw,
Ryan Brookes | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/ryan.brookes.520?ref=tn_tnmn)
I know it was a pretty long time ago, but If there is anyone attending who went to the first tournament maybe they might remember me. Also I know dude called Mike from my local gaiming club who went to like the 2nd or 3rd ever tournament. His internet handle is JazzNazz some of you my remember him. I'm not sure if he still posts on this forum but I'll ask him if he fancies it.
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@ Plastikente, and any others looking to field forgeworld.
I have contact FW and they assure me that they will be updating all of their PDFs and aim to have new details up on their site as soon as they can.
In the meantime they tell me that we shoudl continue to use any pdf updates along with their current vehicle 6th edition info and the new 6th edition rules.
Hopefully, new rules will come up before the tourney!
PS: bear in mind now, that because flyer rules are now present in the 40k rulebook, we will be using THOSE rather than the previously stated FW ones. Closer to the event I will be e-ailing ticket purchasers with a list of any updated information. Note that this will only go to the e-mails that were provided when you bought tickets, so if you bought multiple tickets then you should pass the info on to the other attendees.
More info on that in the future though.
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@ Plastikente, and any others looking to field forgeworld.
I have contact FW and they assure me that they will be updating all of their PDFs and aim to have new details up on their site as soon as they can.
In the meantime they tell me that we shoudl continue to use any pdf updates along with their current vehicle 6th edition info and the new 6th edition rules.
Hopefully, new rules will come up before the tourney!
PS: bear in mind now, that because flyer rules are now present in the 40k rulebook, we will be using THOSE rather than the previously stated FW ones. Closer to the event I will be e-ailing ticket purchasers with a list of any updated information. Note that this will only go to the e-mails that were provided when you bought tickets, so if you bought multiple tickets then you should pass the info on to the other attendees.
More info on that in the future though.
They're out!
In fact they went out on Friday. trust you've all seen them?
There are a couple of curiosities and unfortunately as its FW/GW we are left thinking if its a typo in the FAQ or a typo in the origional!
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Not exactly Arquarian. What they put up was a conversion chart for their existing vehicles in order to say what rules, and how many hull points, each now has.
HOWEVER, they tell me they are also working on updating the various books, units and rules, inlcuding the previous (current) PDF updates so that all of the rules are compatible with the 6th edition.
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Yeah OK, the full PDFs aren't up and what we have at the moment in a quick fix. I'll be looking forward to those and I agree, hopefully they will be out before the tourneyment, well a bit before that as I like others I'm sure will be looking to these before chosing what army to bring. Personally I'll be sending you my list as I intend to bring some FW units.
My typo comment still stands as there are discrepencies between the released tables and the FW origionals but I guess these will be (hopefully) cleared up with the full rules updates release.
So, in the mean time for the pruposes of the tournement we are to....
Use existing rules, but as updated using the latest released tables... correct?
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Yes, use the most up to date rules... this means it includes any updated PDF documents, even if these are not currently available from the FW site. These are also subsequently updated with the current vehicle sheet on the FW site.
We want to ensure that you will all be able to use your shiny gubbins, but also that everyone is aware of what is happening so that opponents don't get surprised by oddities.
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Iagree, mid game surprises are not welcome.
I remember the first time my guardians met some Heavy Tau Gun drones. Ouch! :o
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Psyker FAQ is up :)
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/p/Psykers.pdf (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/p/Psykers.pdf)
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Looks like the powers are mostly simply brought in line with the wording of the new rules and are not changed significantly.
Good news as far as I can see.
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Hi all im new to the forum but noticed your tournament on triple helix a month or so ago and in doing so propositioned my group that i play with (theres 12 of us atm) to see if some of them wanted to go.
just a few questions:
1: (forgive me if this has already been answered and iv missed it) will you definitely be using the 6th edition rules?
2: i noticed a discussion about fortifications, would it not be easier and less time consuming to just keep it simple and not include this for the tournament?
I’ve found that over complicating things would put people off and with everyone not being experienced at the rules (come the tournament) this could mean time consuming reading of the rule book to make sure of rules are correct while playing.
This intern could take away from the fun side and cause the dragging of games, simplicity usually makes for a smoother ride, over complicate it and lots of problems usually arise.
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Yes, we will be using 6th edition in its entirety. this means that fortifications will most likely be included. The only thing that would prevent this from working is the way that fortifications are intended to be deployed (in actual fact the whole section of preparing a game is moot because it supposes that players get to a table with no terrain on it).
However, fortifications are still an integral part of the rules... and for some armies, their only access for skyfire defence! We are thinking that each persons fortification (if any) is deployed after rolling for table side... and after this, players roll for deploying their army & first turn... It is only a slight modification, and means that you still have to think about if you want a fortification, because if it can't fit on a board, it can't be deployed (remembering that no terrain can be within 3" of another terrain piece).
On another note, if you or your group have not bought tickets yet then you really must do so as soon as you can... there are only about 5-6 spots left. You will be able to get the exact number direct from triple helix wargames as they have the most current numbers of sales and update me periodically. Don't waste any time!
(also, we are now not entirely certain if we will have 3 or the previously advertised 4 games... we'd prefer to have 4, but as you say, because everyone is learning a new rule set we don't want to have all the games cut significantly short - as that is probably more frustrating than simply playing one less game... part of this will come from the community... we want to know how long your games of 6th are taking... are they longer, shorter or about the same!?)
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(also, we are now not entirely certain if we will have 3 or the previously advertised 4 games... we'd prefer to have 4, but as you say, because everyone is learning a new rule set we don't want to have all the games cut significantly short - as that is probably more frustrating than simply playing one less game... part of this will come from the community... we want to know how long your games of 6th are taking... are they longer, shorter or about the same!?)
Only had 1 game with the new rules so far.
Got through 3 full turns in just over 3 hours...
So as long as no-one minds being a bit late for the post-tourney curry, I'm well up for 4 games.
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Only had 1 game with the new rules so far.
Got through 3 full turns in just over 3 hours...
So as long as no-one minds being a bit late for the post-tourney curry, I'm well up for 4 games.
that's about your normal speed isn't it??
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that's about your normal speed isn't it??
Yes.
Unless I'm playing against bent IG leaf-blower lists including dodgy FW units. In which case I can be tabled in 3 turns in under 30 minutes!
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that's about your normal speed isn't it??
Yes.
Unless I'm playing against bent IG leaf-blower lists including dodgy FW units. In which case I can be tabled in 3 turns in under 30 minutes!
I have literally no idea what you are talking about. ;D
And if I DID, then I would say that my list was specifically un-leaf-blowerised prior to the event... upon the advice of (among others) Tarrin... whom himself proceeded to utterly destroy said toned down army in the most sullied of fashions...
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(also, we are now not entirely certain if we will have 3 or the previously advertised 4 games... we'd prefer to have 4, but as you say, because everyone is learning a new rule set we don't want to have all the games cut significantly short - as that is probably more frustrating than simply playing one less game... part of this will come from the community... we want to know how long your games of 6th are taking... are they longer, shorter or about the same!?)
Surprisingly I'm finding 6th edition games running faster and smoother than 5th edition. Played several 600 point games in 30 minutes and a couple of 1500 point in 90 minutes.
It helps that I seem to absorb rules that I read...
In the end it's always based on both players knowing what they're doing.
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I find games tend to take 2 hours give or take, once both players have a good grasp of the rules.
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And if I DID, then I would say that my list was specifically un-leaf-blowerised prior to the event... upon the advice of (among others) Tarrin... whom himself proceeded to utterly destroy said toned down army in the most sullied of fashions...
Oh the Irony!
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OK, serious point of discussion.
Allies; yay or nay?
I'm personally inclined to vote against.
The way the new rules are written is clearly as a cinematic, non-competitive, beer n' pretzels kind of game. Many rules are included to allow your IG army to include a small contingnet of brave space marines to hold the pass against the orks, or to have piratical Eldar raiders swoop to the assistance of a naiive Tau outpost only to turn on them as the dust settles.
The rules are also written to allow a lot of flexibility in how much of them you actually include in your games. As a result the All or Nothing approach no longer seems entirely relevant.
I suspect that in the competitive environment (no matter how friendly) game balance issues that are apparent in the individual codicies fly out of the window.
Tau make an awesome gunline already so really don't need a Farseer casting guide and doom for them.
Eldar are supposed to be fast and fragile, so including squads of feel no pain marines to hold objectives is clearly broken.
Lets give the rules a couple more weeks to bed in, but I suspect the allies rule would be best left as far away from the tournament scene as possible.
I know we all have the same opportunities to construct allied lists that are as fluffy (or bent) as we care, but for me much of the fun of playing is that I am deliberately handicapping myself when I choose a particular race, because that race will never be able to perform some rolls on the tabletop. It forces you to choose a strategy that plays to your strengths and minimises you weaknesses.
My Eldar should not be sturdy, the Marines should not have hordes of screening cannon fodder, the Orks shouldn't get accurate long range heavy weaponry, and the Tau aren't supposed to have psychic powers.
Thoughts?
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I should think allies are fine as they are and would function in a tournament. The allies force organisation chart is limited and you have to spend points on both troops and HQ before getting to the good stuff, sure when it comes to Eldar the Farseer is the good stuff but that is only in one case, otherwise the HQ choices are usually points better spent elsewhere even for the mandatory choice of the regular force organisation chart.
I doubt that many will bring allies and those who do will probably aim more for fluff and even if someone shows up with a Farseer, three Scouts and a Wave Serpent with Fire Dragons, is that really a problem and would such a player be more fun to play against even if he did not have access to allies?
I say let's play 6th edition, not a limited version of it!
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I doubt that many will bring allies and those who do will probably aim more for fluff and even if someone shows up with a Farseer, three Scouts and a Wave Serpent with Fire Dragons, is that really a problem and would such a player be more fun to play against even if he did not have access to allies?
No, they probably wouldn't be that much fun to play against... but could we at least try to keep them on a leash?
We do a very good job of allowing people to play the way they like, with forgeworld units and alternative lists.
Could we at least once make a nod in the direction of this being a competitive tournament?
I say let's play 6th edition, not a limited version of it!
I don't think this is an issue.
The rules themselves state that they are optional.
As with other all other cases I'm willing to submit it to vote and happily abide by the majority verdict.
...and then I'll add a lash prince and two squads of plague marines to a Dark Eldar wych cult and tell everyone how very very fluffy it is.
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KT you seem to imply that by having allies makes it not a competative tournement. why is that? Your tactics are simply going to have to change thats all.
I personally think this is great for competative play as it goes some way to take out the army comp aspect from the game and makes it much more abou the player.
As for nodding in the direction of making this a competative tournement, it is precisly that this is not that way orientated that I am interested. taking that away, i.e making this just like all the other tournements, of which there are pleanty, is the wrong direction in my mind. I expect to turn up, meet like minded peole and have fun. will this not be the case? have I made a mistake?
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...and then I'll add a lash prince and two squads of plague marines to a Dark Eldar wych cult and tell everyone how very very fluffy it is.
Feel free. You get one average monster, and two very expensive non scoring/contesting troop units and it may well cause your army to stop and point guns at each other because they don't trust each other very much. Doesn't sound like a very good army to me.
Overall I think the allies rules are pretty well written. To be honest I find it hard enough to write a 1750 point army with all the stuff I want from one army list, let along draining it for points to fund allied units. On top of which it prevents many actually broken combos... you can't fortune a DE Archon's shadowfield for example. And taking one unit of allied long fangs is no big deal because the only thing that is irritating about long fangs is when some tool turns up with three units of them with attached cyclone missile toting terminators.
I think the benefits to fluff armies outweigh the risks of broken cheese. If someone really wants to be a teen-pop sensation and turn up with a bender army they can do it with one force org chart quite easily... 9 vendettas sound meaner than your DE/chaos combo.
Most people at the tournament generally turn up to have a laugh and play some games, most don't even play that often. Thats why I went back to rubbish biker marines instead of taking the awesome space wolves again! :)
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I think that KT actually meant to say non-competitive... and that the allies could result in non-fluffy over-competitive hard core builds.
There is the danger of that... particularly if combined with the fact that units from a variety of FW publications can also be thrown into the mix.
However, although I am concerned, I don't think that is a reason to exclude them!? there are a range of highly competitive and top tier army builds from single codexes as it is... so I don't think applying restrictions will stop someone that wants to WAAC from bringing an army that can try and do that.
As it happens, I also think the the 6th ed rules do a great job a levelling the playing field across the range of units and armies... So, whilst you might be able to build an army to negate inherent weaknesses or what-not - you can't avoid the fact that, for the large part, the main rules do not present anything that would result in completely broken units (and thus combinations).
Of course, we could be wrong... but there is really only one way to find out!!!
There is a very good chance that we will be the first 6th edition tournament... so I would suggest that we start at 100%, and if need be work about the rules as needed for future events based on experience rather than speculation.
If need be, we can even consider overly opinionated comp scoring in order to watch you guys grovelling to me and g00gle5! hehe!
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I personally think this is great for competative play as it goes some way to take out the army comp aspect from the game and makes it much more abou the player.
Unless you play nids?
But I think the main issue is one of blandness.
Do you want to see a min squad of rangers and a farseer in every single force you ever face? I don't doubt we can all adapt to that meta, but do we want to?
As for nodding in the direction of making this a competative tournement, it is precisly that this is not that way orientated that I am interested. taking that away, i.e making this just like all the other tournements, of which there are pleanty, is the wrong direction in my mind. I expect to turn up, meet like minded peole and have fun. will this not be the case? have I made a mistake?
Hmm... you miss my point.
The vast majority of people come to play for fun, but would still like to do well.
A small minority come to win, and will bring WAAC netlists out the wazzoo. This has always been frowned upon.
What concerns me is that those in the minority will abuse the allies system to the hilt.
Since it's such a very obviously unbalanced part of the new game I can see that many tournaments will thus ban allies just like they introduced comp scoring, in an attempt to tone down the worst excesses of the beardiest players.
Anyway. I've stated my case.
I suspect that with it being the shiny new edition everyone is keen to play on without restriction; and fair enough.
I am simply being the boring harbinger of doom as usual.
As you were.
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Hmm the only thing I'd put in place as restriction on FW units that you can choose as HQ etc is that their special rules only work for units of the codex that you are allowed to choose them for.
For example:
Grizmund.
He lets you take Ace Crew Skills for any tank led in your force.....
Uhm anyone for Ace Gunner for Eldar tanks? (+1 on AP rolls)
I'd like to see a rule in place that will let Grizmund give Ace Crew Skills to tanks available to IG codex only.
This goes for a lot of other unit as well.
This is ofcourse subject to FW's FAQ's comming up or not before the tournament.
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From what I've seen of the allies rules, I don't think they are that unbalanced. And there are options for spam WAAC armies whether or not we let people take allies. I'm in favour of Zilverscale's thoughts on Forgeworld though:
Hmm the only thing I'd put in place as restriction on FW units that you can choose as HQ etc is that their special rules only work for units of the codex that you are allowed to choose them for.
I also have another very personal motivation: I have been buiding my Tau towards this tournament, but money has got a bit tight lately, and I don't think I'll get above 1500pts by August. If we vote to allow allies, then I can top them up with a few of my Eldar or Dark Eldar. Otherwise they have to stay home and look sad :'( (I won't stay home; I'll just bring a full force of the CWE or DE. I can't promise I won't look sad though.)
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Allies = I like
GW Allies Table = Sucks balls
Ban allies = No
Fix allies table = YAY
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The top few spaces every year are taken by players with proper competitive lists- they attend with a different idea of fun in mind to the rest of us.
Those players will always be abusing the game in order to waac. If they're going to do that with allies, then let them get on with it.
For the rest of us, Allies adds in a very cool element to expand our forces.
I think if we're playing 6th ed. then we play it all.
As an addition- how fussed are we by having painted armies? I know it's not essential, but at the moment it looks like there is no way I'll be bringing an even vaguely painted army along. Time is currently apportioned to work and babies. Can't remember the last time I took a paint brush to my models!
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remember that you are under no obligation to have your army painted at all! we give out honues points as an incentive to encourage painted armies but you can come with non-undercoated army if you really wanted to! the important thing is to turn up, play and have some fun!
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The top few spaces every year are taken by players with proper competitive lists- they attend with a different idea of fun in mind to the rest of us.
Those players will always be abusing the game in order to waac. If they're going to do that with allies, then let them get on with it.
This is exactly what I'm trying to avoid.
But you're right, they'll bring a shoddy net list regardless of what anyone says.
For the rest of us, Allies adds in a very cool element to expand our forces.
I think if we're playing 6th ed. then we play it all.
Then you ought to have a big enough collection to bring a fully painted army then...
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I'm less concerned with whether or not people use Allies. I won't be.
I'm more concerned with this post-tournament curry. Do I order the duck again, or go for classic chicken?
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I'm less concerned with whether or not people use Allies. I won't be.
I'm more concerned with this post-tournament curry. Do I order the duck again, or go for classic chicken?
Well as long as there are vegetarian options I'm down with curry :P
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I'm less concerned with whether or not people use Allies. I won't be.
I'm more concerned with this post-tournament curry. Do I order the duck again, or go for classic chicken?
Well as long as there are vegetarian options I'm down with curry :P
Have you never done curry before? :P Yes, there are vegetarian and quite yummy options even for social deviants like yourself.
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I'm less concerned with whether or not people use Allies. I won't be.
I'm more concerned with this post-tournament curry. Do I order the duck again, or go for classic chicken?
Well as long as there are vegetarian options I'm down with curry :P
Have you never done curry before? :P Yes, there are vegetarian and quite yummy options even for social deviants like yourself.
Sorry cannot go for your challange :P
Seeing as I already challanged Hymirl and he accepted ::)
The true mark of a gnerd...being a social deviant :P
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Well, that made little sense. Perhaps you'd like to bring an ally in to eat your dinner for you?
As an aside, keep the allies rules in as they are. Play them first before limiting them. Filthy play may be labeled as such after the fact with able evidence to discuss and burn at the stake.
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Less whining. More smack talk, please. :)
In all seriousness, I do like the discussions we have, though.
I do want to address a few points:
As for nodding in the direction of making this a competative tournement, it is precisly that this is not that way orientated that I am interested. taking that away, i.e making this just like all the other tournements, of which there are pleanty, is the wrong direction in my mind. I expect to turn up, meet like minded peole and have fun. will this not be the case? have I made a mistake?
Close but not quite :)
This tournament has grown every year since it started; we are now on number 11 and 40 people will be coming next month. They will be coming from 5 minutes down the road to 6 hours from across the country and every single person will have a slightly different idea of having fun.
Every gamer and gaming group has their little quirks, idiosyncrasies and meta game and when we run a tournament like this they are all about to collide. Your haven of house rules no longer exists. Be prepared to change your perception of what a cocked dice is, be prepared to change how you settle a rules dispute, and so on.
- Some people want to come just so they have a yearly excuse to move some expensive toy soldiers around.
- Some people will want to come to test their strategical prowess.
- Some people will want to imagine the explosions and spectacle and do anything it takes to make a really cinematic game.
- And everything here and there and in-between
It is in nobody's position to tell somebody else for which of these reasons they want to come to our tournament to have fun.
The only mindset you need to come with is one with openness and respect to each and every one of your opponents. I know just as many games at this tournament where one player has curb-stomped the other as to a really close, seven-turn nail-bitter where everybody has had just as much fun.
So, if you play against somebody who has a top-tier, super-duper 'net-list' of doom, don't resign yourself to this being a rubbish game and that this isn't the kind of person that you would play against at home. This is literally 100% the wrong attitude to take. Be open-minded, have a laugh with them, play the game and ask them honestly why is it they like to play like that and not in the style you like to play. Hopefully you'll gain a little more wisdom and insight.
So, if you have time, let me give you some insight:
I know quite a young gaming group (15 - 18-year-olds) who aren't spectacularly into the background of 40k but who love the tactical decisions which occur in a game. They love the thrill of how to respond to an opponent's clever movements, weighing up the opportunity cost of moving out into the open to gain sight of 76% of a vehicle's hull or doing some quick Mathhammer to check whether the 20-strong Guardian squad should shoot at the Terminators first or the reminder of his Fire Dragon squad.
In trying to find new and exciting tactical challenges, their armies have slowly evolved into what would typically known as "net-lists". Every single person in their six-person gaming circle has an army of a similar build and plays for similar reasons. And they are courteous and respectful to each other and have more fun than most gaming groups I know of.
So I cannot stand the idea that if one of these 17-year-olds from this gaming group would come to a tournament with their typical army (the affectionately named "net-list") and they were treated rudely and their opponents didn't enjoy their games just because they all had a different idea of fun.
TL-DR: If somebody's a dick, they are a dick. And no manner of restrictions, house-rulings or otherwise will stop mindless fleshy pawn of the Illuminatis being dicks. Come with an open mind and be prepared to play games out of your normal comfort zone.
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As an aside, keep the allies rules in as they are. Play them first before limiting them. Filthy play may be labeled as such after the fact with able evidence to discuss and burn at the stake.
Or just declare any win due to Allies to be Sullied. Someone has to be, as Tarrin isn't coming.
As for me, I'm just coming to play my annual few games of 40k, and looking forward to meeting up again with some of you strange virtual people that I talk to online. I don't give a amphetamine parrot who I play, or what they bring. I'll have fun.
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Or just declare any win due to Allies to be Sullied. Someone has to be, as Tarrin isn't coming.
This is a compromise I can get behind whole heartedly.
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Or just declare any win due to Allies to be Sullied. Someone has to be, as Tarrin isn't coming.
This is a compromise I can get behind whole heartedly.
I love your new custom title. When did you pick that up?
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I love your new custom title. When did you pick that up?
It appeared some time between speculation on the quantum state of the Killing Time / Tarrin sulliment pairing, and the discovery of the Higgs Boson.
Not entirely sure who was wielding the title hammer at that moment since no direct observations were possible, but I have a working hypothesis...
And at least now we know why the hammer has mass at all.
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I'm less concerned with whether or not people use Allies. I won't be.
I'm more concerned with this post-tournament curry. Do I order the duck again, or go for classic chicken?
Well as long as there are vegetarian options I'm down with curry :P
Have you never done curry before? :P Yes, there are vegetarian and quite yummy options even for social deviants like yourself.
I'm allergic to some of the spices used in curry; I suspect I'll have to hunt around for an Italian or Chinese place instead...
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This tournament has grown every year since it started; we are now on number 11 and 40 people will be coming next month. They will be coming from 5 minutes down the road to 6 hours from across the country and every single person will have a slightly different idea of having fun.
Uhm you forgot to mention the crazy Dutchman comming from abroad just for this tourny! :P
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And the guy coming from Southern Germany.
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And the guy coming from Southern Germany.
SO you definately are coming then? I thought you were concerned that you'd have to go and promote your companies computer game that weekend!?! It would be great to have you with us.
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To be honest, I still dn't know for sure. All of these things are in the hands of people at Sony in California so getting status updates is like getting blood out of a stone. The longer it goes though, the less likely it becomes that I will have to go as we will need some lead time to produce printables, hand-outs and arrange all the tech stuff that has to happen when we take the game on the road. As it's now a shade over 4 weeks away I'm going to start assuming that I'm going to be free that weekend.
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There will also be a daemonic incursion from the north, the master of change will not bring a tv-table that also functions like a ironing board whilst simultaneously being a bookcase but there will be Horrors and a chariot or two.
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Are there any plans for a short summary of rules consensus? Since 6th edition is very new, a few rules debates have not been resolved and may not be resolved by the time of the tournement. A few basic rulings might smooth over potential quabbles on the day :)
Rules I'm thinking of are challenges, lumbering behemoth, power weapons etc.
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I think that for all of those, the answer can be summed up as "ask Hymirl"
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Are there any plans for a short summary of rules consensus? Since 6th edition is very new, a few rules debates have not been resolved and may not be resolved by the time of the tournement. A few basic rulings might smooth over potential quabbles on the day :)
Rules I'm thinking of are challenges, lumbering behemoth, power weapons etc.
We've got about a month for GW to address the main concerns. Rather than confusing things by making a decision of our own (and then having this overwritten) it might be best for us to wait. Most of the rules discussions won't really affect your army composition...
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PAID!
Really looking forward to it. Anyone else coming from the Leeds area? I think I will be coming down on the Saturday night and staying over, gaming after than long a drive first thing in the morning is not a good idea.
Now to make and paint all the new units of my 6th Ed army :/
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I'm less concerned with whether or not people use Allies. I won't be.
I'm more concerned with this post-tournament curry. Do I order the duck again, or go for classic chicken?
Well as long as there are vegetarian options I'm down with curry :P
How dare you! I won't be associated with such deviant behaviour!
...well okay, maybe I will. But if you don't have a proper drink as well, you will be mocked very heartily.
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I'm less concerned with whether or not people use Allies. I won't be.
I'm more concerned with this post-tournament curry. Do I order the duck again, or go for classic chicken?
Well as long as there are vegetarian options I'm down with curry :P
How dare you! I won't be associated with such deviant behaviour!
...well okay, maybe I will. But if you don't have a proper drink as well, you will be mocked very heartily.
Well ok I guess I'll have to order a glass of milk then with the curry to satisfy Andro's idea of a proper drink :P
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Vegetarian and don't drink... you're not Gujurati are you?
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Well ok I guess I'll have to order a glass of milk then with the curry to satisfy Andro's idea of a proper drink :P
I feel sullied now.
And I like it.
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Vegetarian and don't drink... you're not Gujurati are you?
Who ever said I do not drink ::)
(just not that yellow stuff they call beer but is actually fermented cat's pee)
Just conforming to, what I imagine (have big imagination skills), Andro's idea of a proper drink :P
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I must be determined to get beaten up at the upcoming 40KOnline Tournament because here is another question... this time, it's about Psykers!
Yes. Yes, you are :)
I propose a motion to disallow Oink from settling any rules disputes because he will try and force pinickity RAW wording and ruin all our days. Those in favour?
(I'm sure you'll get me back for this at some point :P).
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I must be determined to get beaten up at the upcoming 40KOnline Tournament because here is another question... this time, it's about Psykers!
Yes. Yes, you are :)
I propose a motion to disallow Oink from settling any rules disputes because he will try and force pinickity RAW wording and ruin all our days. Those in favour?
(I'm sure you'll get me back for this at some point :P).
im in favour! disallow the Nancy!
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im in favour! disallow the Nancy!
ahem... clause 4.iii
I'm rather looking forward to grand sweeping gestures of rules decisions on the day as the whim decides... and of course, in favour of those who have not been derogatory or otherwise mildly annoyed me through no fault of their own!
Besides, I'd just like to remind everyone that you can't trust g00gle5... he has a record of changing the tournament scoring half way through the day so that he finishes above me in the rankings... :P
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Besides, I'd just like to remind everyone that you can't trust g00gle5... he has a record of changing the tournament scoring half way through the day so that he finishes above me in the rankings... :P
But who would want to lose to a THE Nancy, in a tournament run by themselves???
robo
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Found out today that I will have to go to Gamescom to man the press booth. So, that leads me to two questions:
1: Are tickets transferable?
2: Are tickets refundable?
2: Assuming the answer to number 1 is 'yes' and the answer to number 2 is 'no', does anyone want a spare ticket at a super bargain low price?
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I propose a motion to disallow Oink from settling any rules disputes because he will try and force pinickity RAW wording and ruin all our days. Those in favour?
Agreed.
ahem... clause 4.iii
Wait, I've just checked the rules and while 4.iii states that an organiser may never be challenged it also states that the Hymirl gets automatically initates a challenge with every participant. Clearly these rules contradict each other as no modification to this rule is made by 4.iii later on.
because this rule appears BEFORE the one which says has an exception to the Hymirl Clause move I'm confused as to which takes precedence!?
Personally, I think that this is yet another example of the overwritten rules... those entire two paragraphs could be succinctly described in a few short sentences that would be difficult to mi-interpret.
;D
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@IainC: Contact THW for their refund policy. You SHOULD be able to refund the ticket but contact them ASAP just in case the policy is limited to tickets within 1 calendar month (ie: two days from now)
@Hymirl: You bastard.
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Found out today that I will have to go to Gamescom to man the press booth.
Thats a shame, would have been nice to seen you there actually.
@Hymirl: You bastard.
Ah ha! Yes, yes I am. ;)
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im in favour! disallow the Nancy!
ahem... clause 4.iii
i vote that we remove this ridiculous clause so THE Nancy has nothing to hide behind!
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I propose a motion to disallow Oink from settling any rules disputes because he will try and force pinickity RAW wording and ruin all our days. Those in favour?
Agreed.
ahem... clause 4.iii
Wait, I've just checked the rules and while 4.iii states that an organiser may never be challenged it also states that the Hymirl gets automatically initates a challenge with every participant. Clearly these rules contradict each other as no modification to this rule is made by 4.iii later on.
because this rule appears BEFORE the one which says has an exception to the Hymirl Clause move I'm confused as to which takes precedence!?
Personally, I think that this is yet another example of the overwritten rules... those entire two paragraphs could be succinctly described in a few short sentences that would be difficult to mi-interpret.
;D
Now I was trying to keep Oink sweet as google is seriously biased against me, but sorry as an avid follower of the rules threads this is well too funny not to laugh at.
I guess that just increased the cost of me bribing you Oink? But it was worth it.
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Vegetarian and don't drink... you're not Gujurati are you?
Who ever said I do not drink ::)
(just not that yellow stuff they call beer but is actually fermented cat's pee)
Just conforming to, what I imagine (have big imagination skills), Andro's idea of a proper drink :P
Proper Westcountry brown ale. The earthier the better.
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Clearly, if it doesn't taste like the bottom of a drainage ditch, and it doesn't have bits of twig and beard floating about in it, it's not Andro's drink of choice.
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Clearly, if it doesn't taste like the bottom of a drainage ditch, and it doesn't have bits of twig and beard floating about in it, it's not Andro's drink of choice.
Uhm....hahahahaha
*prepares for storm*
Thats what all english beer/ale tastes like according to most of my friends who have been to england ::)
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Clearly, if it doesn't taste like the bottom of a drainage ditch, and it doesn't have bits of twig and beard floating about in it, it's not Andro's drink of choice.
Uhm....hahahahaha
*prepares for storm*
Thats what all english beer/ale tastes like according to most of my friends who have been to england ::)
yea thats why no one drinks english beer, unless they have no taste buds left!
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Different styles for different palates. I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of most English brews either -- while I accept that we do have some good beers, I generally prefer Belgian or Dutch beer -- but if there's a really good cider going* then I'll gladly take that instead.
Which reminds me, I need to find a decent pub.
*Cider's a bit bipolar, as I'm not sure there's such a thing as an "okay" cider -- I find it's either really good, or terrible.
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Sissies!
If I could afford it I'd drink rum instead. But it gets very expensive quickly.
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Being as I can't drink anything stronger than wine (and wine tastes awful anyway), I'm not so much a sissy as mildly intolerant to alcohol. Doesn't stop me enjoying a pint or three, though, but my general reaction to, say, vodka is "wurrrgh what the hell is this crap"
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*Cider's a bit bipolar, as I'm not sure there's such a thing as an "okay" cider -- I find it's either really good, or terrible.
you should try Rekordalig, its a sweedish cider made with spring water. its amazing!
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Technically, what is cider in the UK and what is cider in Sweden is not the same thing. Swedish cider is a lot closer to alcoholic soft drinks (or whatever you call them - very sweet, carbonated and around 5% alcohol) while the UK variant is closer to wine (a bit tart and 8%+ alcohol) if memory serves me. It is quite a surprise for a Swede who orders cider in the UK in any case.
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Depends a bit. Some English cider is almost exactly how you describe Swedish cider. Rekorderlig is not particularly different from Brothers cider, for example. However, other ciders, like Old Rosie, are very definitely not like that at all. I like the latter more personally
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That might the case, though I've only had the later when in England and yes, it is generally better though the low alcoholic version of Swedish cider is very nice as a non-alcoholic summer drink.
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Depends a bit. Some English cider is almost exactly how you describe Swedish cider. Rekorderlig is not particularly different from Brothers cider, for example. However, other ciders, like Old Rosie, are very definitely not like that at all. I like the latter more personally
After seeing what Old Rosie does to one of my friends, I've vowed never to drink it.
Though in general Cider makes me feel sick anyway. There's just a sour tang to it that doesn't settle well in my stomach.
Hense, Ale and Rum. And lots of Pepsi Max.
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Pah!
All this talk of cider is making me feel positively queasy.
Next thing you know someone will mention putting half a glass of ice cubes in it and still charging you for the full pint.
Real men drink Ale.
(at cellar temperature - not warm and not freezing.)
And when they're full of Ale it's acceptable to move on to neat single malt.
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Pah!
All this talk of cider is making me feel positively queasy.
Next thing you know someone will mention putting half a glass of ice cubes in it and still charging you for the full pint.
Real men drink Ale.
(at cellar temperature - not warm and not freezing.)
And when they're full of Ale it's acceptable to move on to neat single malt.
now sir, you are talking 8)
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Wait, I've just checked the rules and while 4.iii states that an organiser may never be challenged it also states that the Hymirl gets automatically initates a challenge with every participant. Clearly these rules contradict each other as no modification to this rule is made by 4.iii later on.
because this rule appears BEFORE the one which says has an exception to the Hymirl Clause move I'm confused as to which takes precedence!?
Personally, I think that this is yet another example of the overwritten rules... those entire two paragraphs could be succinctly described in a few short sentences that would be difficult to mi-interpret.
Wait...are we talking RAW or RAI?
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At the end of the day it doesn't matter because clause 4.iiii allows me to refuse the challenge with my honour intact regardless! :P
So, we are less than a month away and have only a handful of spots left now!
Also, I have obtained the contact address for asking GW questions on the rules... so if anyone has any specific items they would like to see addressed then feel free to pm me and I'll add it to my own! ;)
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Also, I have obtained the contact address for asking GW questions on the rules... so if anyone has any specific items they would like to see addressed then feel free to pm me and I'll add it to my own! ;)
Might be a good idea to assemble a forum-wide set of questions to send in together.
In other news I still can't decide which unpainted army to bring with me...
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At the end of the day it doesn't matter because clause 4.iiii allows me to refuse the challenge with my honour intact regardless! :P
any staff members willing to accept a bribe to add nancy to oink's title? :P
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Not going to do it. His title is long enough already and if we're going to change it we'll think of something far worse than a mere nancy.
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Real men drink Ale.
(at cellar temperature - not warm and not freezing.)
This man has earned a pint.
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Not going to do it. His title is long enough already and if we're going to change it we'll think of something far worse than a mere nancy.
damn it, need to find a more corrupt mod
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Good luck...
besides, my title is at the character limit...
ps: to any opponents fighting Mutley on the day, feel free to call me over at the slightest of rules queries... ;D
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damn it, need to find a more corrupt mod
It wouldn't matter. They all live in fear of me (sitting on them).
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It wouldn't matter. They all live in fear of me (sitting on them).
Arabian Goggles from Rummy......
***Shudders and suppresses memory***
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need to find a more corrupt mod
isn't that a tautology?
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need to find a more corrupt mod
isn't that a tautology?
A Shas'o's memoirs?
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need to find a more corrupt mod
isn't that a tautology?
A Shas'o's memoirs?
A phrase or expression in which the same thing is said twice in different words
ps: to any opponents fighting Mutley on the day, feel free to call me over at the slightest of rules queries... ;D
hey judges are supposed to be impartial! even if thier a nancy
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need to find a more corrupt mod
isn't that a tautology?
A Shas'o's memoirs?
A phrase or expression in which the same thing is said twice in different words
If it were just "corrupt mod", then you could argue it's a tautology because "mod" would imply "corrupt". Except in Rummy's case. He's too interested in drinking to be corrupt.
As it is, it's not tautological at all.
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hey judges are supposed to be impartial! even if they're a nancy
In you're case, I'll be glad to make an exception... :P
(also, fixed your poor english) :P
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need to find a more corrupt mod
isn't that a tautology?
A Shas'o's memoirs?
A phrase or expression in which the same thing is said twice in different words
I know it wasn't a good joke but you didn't have to do that to it.
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need to find a more corrupt mod
isn't that a tautology?
A Shas'o's memoirs?
A phrase or expression in which the same thing is said twice in different words
I know it wasn't a good joke but you didn't have to do that to it.
It was a good joke -- I laughed. Ignore the fact it was lost on the others.
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You, you I like. I'm moving you down the banning list. Unlike the others. They're getting their names underlined with a little frowny face on the end.
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You, you I like. I'm moving you down the banning list. Unlike the others. They're getting their names underlined with a little frowny face on the end.
Yay! I have a very similar list which also says Wins / Draws / Losses on it and sometimes those numbers happen to change unexpectedly depending on how many frowny faces and harsh underlines they have earned that day...
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need to find a more corrupt mod
isn't that a tautology?
A Shas'o's memoirs?
A phrase or expression in which the same thing is said twice in different words
I know it wasn't a good joke but you didn't have to do that to it.
serves him right for using big words us commoners have to look up in the dictionary! :P
You, you I like. I'm moving you down the banning list. Unlike the others. They're getting their names underlined with a little frowny face on the end.
i think I've made a friend :) lol
You, you I like. I'm moving you down the banning list. Unlike the others. They're getting their names underlined with a little frowny face on the end.
Yay! I have a very similar list which also says Wins / Draws / Losses on it and sometimes those numbers happen to change unexpectedly depending on how many frowny faces and harsh underlines they have earned that day...
so thats why i never win! it must have nothing to do with me loosing all my games on the day ::)
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also popsical had pulled out of the tournie as his tau arent as beardy as they were in 5th, he cant say it himself as he got banned
and my freind greg isnt coming so my freind james is coming instead
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also popsical had pulled out of the tournie as his tau arent as beardy as they were in 5th, he cant say it himself as he got banned
and my freind greg isnt coming so my freind james is coming instead
He got banned? Gawd. Tell him that small things like that matter not when it comes to 40k tournaments. Also tell him that Tau rock the casbah in 6th edition -- definitely my favourite army to use in 6th as they are so much more satisfying to play: reduced cover saves for the enemy, improved firepower, Overwatch, no more charges from Outflankers, Precision Shots everywhere, objective-based games they stand a fighting chance in... Did Tau really lose out on anything in 6th? (except infantry Target Locks).
Ah man, and Greg, too? I had already written out his Wooden Spoon certificate!
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Soo... I make it 28 days.
The LIST:
To make and paint 5 shining spears and 1 farseer on a jetbike (I have most of the bits...)
To paint 4 Fire Dragons
To put the finishing touches on 1 wave serpent
Oh and go to two weddings, start a new job, find somewhere to stay on the Saturday night and convince Hawiian Zombie to call in sick and have a 1750 point necron army bought and made in time. The latter may be tricky...
also popsical had pulled out of the tournie as his tau arent as beardy as they were in 5th, he cant say it himself as he got banned
The sort of ban that occurs because he was fighting the man and won but yet still lost in a great heroic way or was he just being a duche? I'm curious...
Google Tau lost their 4+ cover on all tanks for 5 points, thats a little nerf... They get 5 points per tank back now though!
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The sort of ban that occurs because he was fighting the man and won but yet still lost in a great heroic way or was he just being a duche? I'm curious...
The sort of ban that occurs after a long drawn out process of telling him to stop spamming useless posts in threads, reminding him each and every time when he did it again, then hearing the excuses of how next time would be different. It wasn't. There's only so many times you try to guide someone before you let them run off the cliff.
So, I take it he couldn't find a dirty net list like he did last year? :)
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The sort of ban that occurs after a long drawn out process of telling him to stop spamming useless posts in threads, reminding him each and every time when he did it again, then hearing the excuses of how next time would be different. It wasn't. There's only so many times you try to guide someone before you let them run off the cliff.
So, I take it he couldn't find a dirty net list like he did last year? :)
Witty and informative, thank you sir.
So on the topic of my last post who else has stuff yet to make or paint? I know I have missed the last few years of tournaments but I have so far managed to have everything painted and based every time I have been. I know you don't have to but lets face it, we all love games that little bit more when everything is finished and the best motivation for making and painting things is for a tournament.
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also popsical had pulled out of the tournie as his tau arent as beardy as they were in 5th, he cant say it himself as he got banned
and my freind greg isnt coming so my freind james is coming instead
He got banned? Gawd. Tell him that small things like that matter not when it comes to 40k tournaments. Also tell him that Tau rock the casbah in 6th edition -- definitely my favourite army to use in 6th as they are so much more satisfying to play: reduced cover saves for the enemy, improved firepower, Overwatch, no more charges from Outflankers, Precision Shots everywhere, objective-based games they stand a fighting chance in... Did Tau really lose out on anything in 6th? (except infantry Target Locks).
Ah man, and Greg, too? I had already written out his Wooden Spoon certificate!
yea a few of the units he was going to use lost some of thier rules and he got the ump about it. A bit silly if you ask me but hey
and greg has to work that weekend now so he cant come. James is the guy who came in 2011 and won best army with his orks
So, I take it he couldn't find a dirty net list like he did last year? :)
he still claims that his list was fluffy and that he didnt know that list was beardy as hell!
So on the topic of my last post who else has stuff yet to make or paint?
still need to choose a list let alone get it painted!
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Oh and go to two weddings, start a new job, find somewhere to stay on the Saturday night and convince Hawiian Zombie to call in sick and have a 1750 point necron army bought and made in time. The latter may be tricky...
Where are you living nowadays? I'm in Reading and going to drive over in the morning, which is about an hour and a 20-minute drive to the venue. If that's an easy stop-off for you you're more than welcome to stay the night and I can either set you up with a real bed or failing that a nice double-sized air bed.
My girlfriend's housemate's birthday is Saturday and she isn't accepting no as an answer to me not going out at least for a little bit, so we can even go out for a beer or two (or three or five or six...) and have a catchup and kick it old school like Games Day... 08 or was it 09, maybe? So the offer's there!
Everybody else will be pleased to know that it's also likely I'll be carrying on the tradition of organising the day hungover :)
Google Tau lost their 4+ cover on all tanks for 5 points, thats a little nerf... They get 5 points per tank back now though!
Swings and roundabouts, eh?!
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That sounds like an awesome idea Google, I can spend that money I would have spent on a hotel room on drinks instead. I think it was Games Day 06 and 07, was the two after I started uni and that was a long time ago! I'm still up in Leeds although this time next year will be moving down south again so a little closer for getting the odd game in. Is your number still the same?
I'm avoiding painting this wave serpent by magnatising its turret... and pretty much anything else I can find regardless of if I am ever going to use it. I'm also painting a FW avatar that looks gorgeous but that I'm not using.
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Excellent news! Was that Games Day really that long ago?!
My number is still the same, how about yours?
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Text sent. The 40k online tournament bring people together for... is it 10 years now? Must be getting close to that.
Two wave serpent turrets and a night spinner magnetised, 7 small flying bases made and sanded, two large flying bases painted and flocked...
Progress?
Oink can we have a new banner for the signatures? Mine is a little out dated.
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It's not been in London for a long time...
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It's not been in London for a long time...
That'd be really screwy if it was in London this year....
PROUDLY PRESENTING THE 2012 OLYMPIC 40KONLINE TOURNAMENT!!!!! ::) :P
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It's not been in London for a long time...
That'd be really screwy if it was in London this year....
PROUDLY PRESENTING THE 2012 OLYMPIC 40KONLINE TOURNAMENT!!!!! ::) :P
Cue mental images of a Sister of Battle in the women's 400m and a Space Marine in the men's weight lifting...
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Did someone say Beach Volleyball!?
Okay, so I leave things alone for a weekend and so much discussion is happening I need to catch up on...
1. I figured popsical might pull out. Not because he was banned, but because FW pulled the rules for a range of stuff whilst they update their updates. I expect FW to have updates before the tournament, but in any case, I think we can agree that the previous updated pdfs should still stand as the most current set. Although you cannt reach them through links on the FW site, the addresses with the pdfs are actually still live.
I would also say that I have been pleasantly surprised by the Tau in this edition. I only narrowly lost a game to Valars BA using the EXACT same list as I played at the end of 5th. So with suitable tweaks I think they'll be more than capable of competing with top armies!
The "adjustment" to disruption pods is a bit moot really, as now tau vehicles get a free jink save anyway. It just means that you can now use those points on something a little more interesting like flechettes (which should be very useful in this ed) whilst hammerheads will really want blacksun filters...
2. I think we are at about 9 years. Initially we were running two tournaments a year, and I think we are on our 12th or 13th? Lost count to be honest. But it's great to see how far we've come and grown.
3. You'll all also be happy to know that, aside from g00gle5 hang over, I'll be helping him with a degree of sleep deprivation (an oinkling and what looks like a 6am start will do that to you). You guys are too much for any one person to handle alone... that's for sure! And, besides that, the chaps at Triple Helix Wargames are always on hand and helpful!
4. Finally, I have been swamped with meatspace... so much so that I haven't been able to work on graphics that I had hoped to have done already... including updated banners. Things don't look like slowing down either - but I will have to get on top of the banner thing as well as sort out certificates.
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So on the topic of my last post who else has stuff yet to make or paint?
I have several armies assembled. Once I've decided which to take I may get something painted in time...
What are other people taking?
I have Blood Angels and Grey Knights which I enjoy playing with, but I reckon we'll see a few of those as they're still popular at the moment. I have a newly assemble Necron army which is sweeeet to play with but again there may be a few as it's a faielt new book.
Not interested in taking my Guard.
So maybe Eldar or vanilla marines...
Choices choices!
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I'll be bringing my Orks again. Slowly finishing off their basic paint jobs.
Though I also need to buy one or two more things...
Oh, and is the Bristol area group planning a car pool? Just want to know if I need to book train tickets or not.
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Im still debating between my Eldar and my Blood Angels.... Im leaning towards BA at the moment purely because if I take my Eldar I have a list in mind that I really want to try out but do not have the models for and not the time nor money to get it ready in time. :(
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I'm afraid I have some bad news guys. Due to an extremely irritating but completely irresolvable schedule clash, I can no longer attend the 40KO tournament this year. :'(
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Damn! I was looking forward to meeting you. Maybe next time?
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Bugger. You're leaving me to fly the Tyranid flag. And I've not played since last year. I'll post up a list this week sometime - some crit and advice would be welcome.
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Bugger. You're leaving me to fly the Tyranid flag. And I've not played since last year. I'll post up a list this week sometime - some crit and advice would be welcome.
Indeed. Do the Hive Mind proud! More than happy to provide what advice I can offer, though not necessarily able to guarantee its quality.
Damn! I was looking forward to meeting you. Maybe next time?
Cheers. I certainly hope to be coming next year
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This also means unless some other delightful soul can run me down from the Midlands (and back the same day) I'm also out
Sorry :(
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Oh, and is the Bristol area group planning a car pool? Just want to know if I need to book train tickets or not.
We were looking at renting a car/people carrier depending on numbers.
There's me, you, Killing Time, Hymril, Benis coming from Bristol at least.
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I'm afraid I have some bad news guys. Due to an extremely irritating but completely irresolvable schedule clash, I can no longer attend the 40KO tournament this year. :'(
This is unnacceptable!
Think of changeyname!? Okay, we're gonna have to find a way to get him from A to B... who's passing?
So, IainC, Chuckles, popsical and probably changey out!?! We're supposed to be filling the spots, not freeing them up!!!
Have you guys contacted THW about refunding your tickets? or is it now too close to the date?
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I haven't yet contacted THW, will get on them today asking about a refund
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I contacted them last week. No reply so far which I guess means no refunds.
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Iain, can you pm me your details (name, address, e-mail... basically what you gave them to be able to buy the ticket) and I will contact them requesting that they refund your ticket.
This is seeing as you informed us before 30days of the tournament
Chuckles, and changey, if you are adamant that you can't wangle your way to the event then, seeing as this was within 30days of the tournament I don't think I will be able arrange a full refund. The best bet would be to transfer the ticket to another person (basically sell the ticket on to another).
However, if you pass me your details as well I can contact THW to see what we can do.
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Oh, and is the Bristol area group planning a car pool? Just want to know if I need to book train tickets or not.
We were looking at renting a car/people carrier depending on numbers.
There's me, you, Killing Time, Hymril, Benis coming from Bristol at least.
I'm driving, because Killing Time drove last year, Benis can't bring a car on the plane and the other two can't drive. I believe the term is 'bus teen-pop sensations.'
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This also means unless some other delightful soul can run me down from the Midlands (and back the same day) I'm also out
Sorry :(
where about in the midlands as i might be able to pick you up. i am going down on the saturday and coming back sunday night
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Mutley - I'm in Coventry and while the offer is greatly appreciated I'm getting married in October (oh Gods) so all my spare cash is spoken for - meaning no overnighting for me :(
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Changey -- PM me if you'd like me to wire you some train-fare money.
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well cov is only about an hour away from me so can i come pick you up if you find your circumstances change :)
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You're a popular man Mr Changey.
Rule #1: Always take the free stuff.
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Rule #2: Don't let Tarrin touch anything unless you want it sullied.
Rule #3: Don't let Oink ask questions else you'll be there all day and he'll subsequently be getting a good sound kicking.
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rule #4 call oink a nancy at every possible chance!
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Oh, and is the Bristol area group planning a car pool? Just want to know if I need to book train tickets or not.
We were looking at renting a car/people carrier depending on numbers.
There's me, you, Killing Time, Hymril, Benis coming from Bristol at least.
Probably for the best, we were rather cramped last time! Five guys in a car is rather snug!
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Well shucks guys.... geez
Much as the offers are appreciated I think I'm gunna have to amphetamine parrotcan this year and start practising for next
Oink - the front page indicates that there are still ticket available from THW so unless you need my ticket if they sell out we'll just call it a bum deal and forget the money - too close to the event for me to wanna cause a fuss and all
If my ticket is needed then please contact me about the best way to sort out transferring it across :)
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This also means unless some other delightful soul can run me down from the Midlands (and back the same day) I'm also out
Sorry :(
I can give you a lift Chaneyname. I live in a little village called Wymington, near Northampton. It'll be no problem to nip over to coventry first, might even be a nicer drive as I can jump onto the A429 from Coventry which is pretty much a straight road to THG.
I'm going down and coming back on the same day. The only variable is weather or not my Necron army will be ready for the event, (had an army commissioned by Worthy painting) It 'should' be ready by the 12th August, which gives me time to get one game in beforehand on the following Tuesday.
I'd be happy to give anyone else a lift, but again I can only guarantee it when Nick from Worthy painting rings me, and tell me my army is ready.
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Seeing as we don't NEED you to have a fully painted army, you could potentially ask them to give the stuff back to you to play with on the day and then send any final units back to be finished later? Or, if necessary, let us know, I have a necron army (also mostly unpainted) but may be able to loan you some basic units to use if absolutely necessary!
and there you go changey... no excuse for this now...
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Where are you living nowadays? I'm in Reading and going to drive over in the morning, which is about an hour and a 20-minute drive to the venue.
Any chance you have another space in your car? Being an organised chap, I haven't yet even looked at travel or accom, but my brother lives in Reading so if there is a lift available I can crash at his and meet you on the morning of the tournie.
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Okay so IainC and Popsical are in the process of having their tickets refunded on account of the fact they (at least attemtped) to arrange this more than 30days from the tournament day.
It does mean that Chuckles, if you have not already contacted THW then they not be able to refund your ticket BUT you are able to pass it on to someone else if you can find someone for it... (I will need the details of the person beforehand of course). I'm secretly hoping that you can't and that you come along anyway! It certainly won't be the same without your dramatic yelps and cries!
Changey, I hope that if Chuckles doesn't come you'll take up the offer presented to you by Davinder!!
Finally, this does mean that we still have 7 tickets up for grabs people. Anyone who has not yet bought a ticket, now would be the time to do it...
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Finally, this does mean that we still have 7 tickets up for grabs people. Anyone who has not yet bought a ticket, now would be the time to do it...
so theres an odd number of players, does that mean the nancy will have to play then? :P
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Finally, this does mean that we still have 7 tickets up for grabs people. Anyone who has not yet bought a ticket, now would be the time to do it...
so theres an odd number of players, does that mean the nancy will have to play then? :P
Potentially. Me and Oink might even take it in turns using one army, however you never know what arrangements need to be met on the day!
Where are you living nowadays? I'm in Reading and going to drive over in the morning, which is about an hour and a 20-minute drive to the venue.
Any chance you have another space in your car? Being an organised chap, I haven't yet even looked at travel or accom, but my brother lives in Reading so if there is a lift available I can crash at his and meet you on the morning of the tournie.
Yes, this should be fine :) I better work out with Erriond who's going to be driving, though...
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Pretty sure I'm gunna sit this one out now guys
The offers are all appreciated but... well there it is
Cheers and have fun
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Seeing as we don't NEED you to have a fully painted army, you could potentially ask them to give the stuff back to you to play with on the day and then send any final units back to be finished later? Or, if necessary, let us know, I have a necron army (also mostly unpainted) but may be able to loan you some basic units to use if absolutely necessary!
and there you go changey... no excuse for this now...
Thanks for the offer Oink. I've spoken to Nick and my army should be ready for the event :) (I have to admit, I was starting to get a little worried).
Pretty sure I'm gunna sit this one out now guys
The offers are all appreciated but... well there it is
Cheers and have fun
Look forward to seeing you next year. The offers still open, should you change your mind.
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Finally, this does mean that we still have 7 tickets up for grabs people. Anyone who has not yet bought a ticket, now would be the time to do it...
so theres an odd number of players, does that mean the nancy will have to play then? :P
Potentially. Me and Oink might even take it in turns using one army, however you never know what arrangements need to be met on the day!
aha so he wont have his little clauses to hide behind!
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If anyone is intending to field FW flyers I highly recommend you take a look at the new Aeronautica book as soon as possible. The few rules tweaks and additional rules could make a big difference to how you operate. For example - the Tau Barracuda has changed FOC slot and has a certain weapon rule tweak that looks very lovely indeed. Some of you may also anticipate taking great joy in sticking a heat seeking missile up a fast moving skimmers arse and laughing at them.
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Any places left? I think I can make it. 8)
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7 i think!
You better be quick though, I recently answered an enquiry from someone who was looking to buy up a handful of those.
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Pity I only got my rulebook a few days ago. Reading certain rules gave me some dirty ideas about what to bring next year.
Also, how poor am I going to be after chipping in my share on the car?
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To celebrate the impending tournament deadline...
(https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi16.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb29%2Foink-pics%2Fweb%2520banners%2FBANNERcopy.jpg&hash=b9944f82262c624918f4af4c5dcafae8e76e49ef)
Feel free to copy the banner into your signature!
edit: hmm... not quite sure why it's coming out significantly larger than the banners in my sig, which are made to the same size and uploaded to photobucket? but still!?
edit: fixed
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I just see "This image or video has been moved or deleted".
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I just see "This image or video has been moved or deleted".
Same here.
Maybe the mods at your picture storing site deleted it as in appropriate (or how ever you spell that)
(Or maybe Mudley was complaining there that it was a nancy picture???? :P )
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(Or maybe Mutley was complaining there that it was a nancy picture???? :P )
damn, you caught me!
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I saw it for a while, it looked cool!
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I saw it for a while, it looked cool!
Now I can see it!
Hmmm Hymirl must have used his Power of the Schwartz on the site!
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that should work now... i was messing around re-uploading and what-not with photoshop and photobucket and didn't fix the link properly.
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Soo... 5 shining spears inc exarch converted and ready for spraying.
1 farseer on a jetbike converted and sculpted. He could do with come liquid greenstuff attention on a few sections of the cloak but I don't think I will be able to pick some up AND get him painted in time so I think I will have to make do as he is.
Will do my best to put come pictures up in the next week or so.
That means all I need physically is some scatter lasers for the warwalkers... hmm....
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As it is getting very close to the date now, and me and Oink are getting more and more PMs for rule clarifications, we are going to put together a FAQ for all the really burning questions you guys have.
This is not the rules forum, so do not expect us to play or answer questions with RAW. It's also that time to remind me of all your challenges in so I can get the first round draw ready! Respond thusly:
My challenge: Tarrin
My rules question(s): What invulnerable save, if any, do Seeker Chariots, Screamers and Flamers get from the new White Dwarf update?
Is a Hyperphase sword a Power Sword or a Power Weapon of my choice?
Do units affected by a Beam Weapon get a chance to Deny the Witch?
We will let you try and change our minds if you really feel strongly that we have ruled something the wrong way but you will have to put up a convincing case of why and before the 19th August. If anyone claims "because otherwise it'll nerf my army" then you have invoked Tournament Organiser Clause 781d. 4(i), which states: "You have authorised the tournament organisers to do as they please during any of your games -- move around terrain, change your dice rolls, deduct points from you army, set new victory conditions and so forth."
So, go! :)
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My challenge: Valar
My rules questions:
-Challenges: are we allowing wound overspill when one combatant dies, or are we having the combatants fight in a vacuum?
-Lumbering Behemoth: Can I shoot a blasty turret in addition to my normal weapon allowance if I move? What about Ordnance?
-Hyperphase Swords: Are we going by what's in the print version (in which case see above post), or the digital version?
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Are you wanting input on Rules clarifications here from us? Or will you two decide and the ruling is final?
Or do we send them all to Hymril to sort out? :D
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Are you wanting input on Rules clarifications here from us? Or will you two decide and the ruling is final?
Or do we send them all to Hymril to sort out? :D
For now, me and Oink will discuss and clarify them all. Then once we publish them I'm happy for discussion just so we are happy, fine and dandy with them all.
Me and Oink are no slouches on the rules, so we don't need to bring Hymirl into this :P
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I would like for the new Daemons to have the Daemon rule, I have no rule-based argument for it though but given GW's record when it comes to WD-released rules I feel like it is necessary to be bit generous with the interpretation, they are after all Daemons and all other Daemons in Codex: Chaos Daemons do have the full effect of the rule in question so there is little reason to believe that the omission was on purpose. I certainly understand that others don't see it that way though.
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I think Benis is going to want to make love to us when he hears our ruling on that!
One thing to bear in mind is that we will usually try to make decisions based on the most sensible conclusion (both RAW and RAI are considered) as well as based on who a particular rule will annoy the most...
so, who's the nancy now...
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as well as based on who a particular rule will annoy the most...
so, who's the nancy now...
I almost feel guilty for laughing a bit manically at that.
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well not that it matters, as hes
to much of a nancy to busy to play me
my challenge: Oink the nancy
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I would like for the new Daemons to have the Daemon rule, I have no rule-based argument for it though but given GW's record when it comes to WD-released rules I feel like it is necessary to be bit generous with the interpretation, they are after all Daemons and all other Daemons in Codex: Chaos Daemons do have the full effect of the rule in question so there is little reason to believe that the omission was on purpose. I certainly understand that others don't see it that way though.
I'm confused, in the supplement they all have "Daemon" in their special rules. I can't see the omission.
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In all likelihood you have the same confusion as the GW writers had. ;)
By strictly following the rules they would have the Daemon rule from codex Chaos Daemons, not the one from the rulebook (just like the rest of the Chaos Daemons host has their rule for Daemon, not the main rulebook's rule for Daemon). Basically they have the rule which gives them some other special rules like Invulnerable!, their special rule for arriving and their rivalry rule, not the one in the main rulebook. The FAQ only gives them access to Fear so in practise all Chaos Daemons found in the codex have the exact same effect as the Daemon rule found in the main rulebook (or better in the case of Tzeentchian entries and some other) but the new entries lack a normal armour save to turn into an invulnerable save through Invulnerable! and also lacks access to the main rulebook version of Daemon to get it that way, thus they are without a save at the moment.
It is glass clear isn't it. ???
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:o
Crazy.
They're Daemons, they cause Fear, have a 5+ invulnerable save and whatever else they should have as Daemons.
GW writers don't write with the same twisted sense of rules laywering that many gamers seem to. :S
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:o
Crazy.
They're Daemons, they cause Fear, have a 5+ invulnerable save and whatever else they should have as Daemons.
GW writers don't write with the same twisted sense of rules laywering that many gamers seem to. :S
And therefore the rules suffer for it, since the playerbase is full of those types that will pick holes in anything and everything, even down to the syntax and the placement of words like "only". (Guilty as charged on that last count.)
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I would rather say that it isn't so much a twisted sense of rules lawyering as being sloppy when it comes to writing rules, especially when they do odd releases of rules in the White Dwarf. It is either a sign of bad understanding of their own rules (which I doubt) or just sloppiness with no proof-reader that actually understands rules, just look at the WHFB bestiary characteristics entry for Flamers of Tzeentch for another sloppy mistake.
It is sad since it makes the rules come off as unprofessional and done in unnecessary haste. If they just bothered to think it through twice (or let a designer who wasn't so familiar with those specific rules look them over) they would have caught it but instead it is left in print and could potentially be a point of contention between players.
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My rules question:
What, in each codex, counts as a modifier and what as a change to profile?
Just found out in re-reading the Modifier section in the BDB (page 2) and some entries in various codi/codi FAQ that there is a clash.
BDB sais every change to basic stat line is a modifier.
Several codi/codi FAQ tell you it is not a modifier but replaces the basic stat line X for Y.
And sometimes it is not clear if it is a modifier or a change in basic stat line.
See this thread.
Especially Changeyname's post as that is what I was trying to ask/make clear
Quick question about Unholy Might (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=223173.new#new)
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Ah there is nothing like a tournament just after a major rules overhaul. I'm not evening going to think about getting involved, it's all down to you guys Oink and Google.
The shining spears and farseer are sprayed, they look the part, now to find the time to paint them... maybe I will make a start this weekend.
Google, text me back you lazy slouch!
I've very very excited, not sure my performance will be as good as previous years, I'm pretty rusty, but hoping to put in a good showing.
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Ah there is nothing like a tournament just after a major rules overhaul. I'm not evening going to think about getting involved, it's all down to you guys Oink Nancy and Google.
The shining spears and farseer are sprayed, they look the part, now to find the time to paint them... maybe I will make a start this weekend.
Google, text me back you lazy slouch!
I've very very excited, not sure my performance will be as good as previous years, I'm pretty rusty, but hoping to put in a good showing.
you should get your self an airbrush, i paintied 2 colours on my entire army in 2 hours! thier fantastic
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Was anyone else lazy and booked the nearest commodity? :P
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If by commodity you mean place to stay overnight, I booked the cheapest one I could find (which is also pretty near to the train station).
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you should get your self an airbrush, i paintied 2 colours on my entire army in 2 hours! thier fantastic
I use one for the guard, it is pretty vital for 100 plus troops and almost as many tanks. I haven't used it with the eldar though, I'm too fussy about them all looking similar!
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and almost as many tanks
I'd quite like to see a hundred tanks on the table, come to think of it :P
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With one week to go lets start seeing some enthusiasm! Some vigor! Some decent smack talk (without the word nancy, try harder)! Hymirl also promised to do a naked cabaret using two copies of the rulebook as fans. Don't let him explain otherwise.
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I challenge all the Eldar players who are going, that's Erriond, Dizz, Lorizael, and Arquarian (although Corsairs don't really count ;)) as far as I know to finish in the top half of final results table. I also think that any of you who play Hymirl should beat him, just because I know that he'll love losing to the Eldar :D.
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I'd like to challenge anyone who has not played a full game in 6th edition. Then I won't feel too embarrassed about having to check every rule.
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I'd like to challenge anyone who has not played a full game in 6th edition. Then I won't feel too embarrassed about having to check every rule.
Challenge accepted. I haven't have a game of 6th either, and was worried about the same thing.
My challenge: Valar
My rules questions:
-Challenges: are we allowing wound overspill when one combatant dies, or are we having the combatants fight in a vacuum?
-Lumbering Behemoth: Can I shoot a blasty turret in addition to my normal weapon allowance if I move? What about Ordnance?
-Hyperphase Swords: Are we going by what's in the print version (in which case see above post), or the digital version?
Whats in the digital version?
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The digital version of the codex says they are classified effectively power swords, rather than a generic power weapon mentioned in the paper codex that could be modelled how you like for sword, axe or maul (especially since the actual models look so much like axes)
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Whats in the digital version?
A set profile for the hyperphase sword, which is in neither the printed Codex nor the current FAQ. At present, both print and digital Codices seem to be current and legal.
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I challenge all the Eldar players who are going, that's Erriond, Dizz, Lorizael, and Arquarian (although Corsairs don't really count ;)) as far as I know to finish in the top half of final results table. I also think that any of you who play Hymirl should beat him, just because I know that he'll love losing to the Eldar :D.
We will try! :P
I'd like to challenge anyone who has not played a full game in 6th edition. Then I won't feel too embarrassed about having to check every rule.
Luckily I'll be playing vs Hymirl (also known as the walking rulebook :) )
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I challenge all the Eldar players who are going, that's Erriond, Dizz, Lorizael, and Arquarian (although Corsairs don't really count ;)) as far as I know to finish in the top half of final results table. I also think that any of you who play Hymirl should beat him, just because I know that he'll love losing to the Eldar :D.
I'm not even sure if I'm taking Eldar yet. I have no idea which army I'm taking! lol. Should probably choose soon...
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I'm not even sure if I'm taking Eldar yet. I have no idea which army I'm taking! lol. Should probably choose soon...
You must field the Eldar, the honour of the Eldar moderation team is at stake here :D. Besides, what are the other options? Marines? There are more than enough of those likely to be in attendance as things stand.
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I challenge all the Eldar players who are going, that's Erriond, Dizz, Lorizael, and Arquarian (although Corsairs don't really count ;)) as far as I know to finish in the top half of final results table. I also think that any of you who play Hymirl should beat him, just because I know that he'll love losing to the Eldar :D.
Challenge accepted!
I have had 7 games so far in 6th, won 3, lost 4. The current Eldar list has won 3 of 3 though ;)
Anyone else pretty nervous? I love these events but I haven't been to one for so long and the novelty is definitely back. Such a shame I don't have the sort of time that I did (before I had a job!) to get everything fully painted but I think the army still looks good.
I'm not going to taunt you all just yet. I will let you think you are in for a chance at first, that way victory will be sweeter...
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I'm not going to taunt you all just yet. I will let you think you are in for a chance at first, that way victory will be sweeter...
my dark eldar will make you eat those words!
And your hat!
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my dark eldar will make you eat those words!
And your hat!
There's no possible way that could come back and be used against you for humorous effect in the future. ;D
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my dark eldar will make you eat those words!
And your hat!
There's no possible way that could come back and be used against you for humorous effect in the future. ;D
only if i loose! And i do have the advantage of a better codex ;)
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Dear sir, even if you win, the concept of Dark Elder hat eaters will persist. Persist and and be advertised. :) Commissars beware!
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I'm not even sure if I'm taking Eldar yet. I have no idea which army I'm taking! lol. Should probably choose soon...
You must field the Eldar, the honour of the Eldar moderation team is at stake here :D. Besides, what are the other options? Marines? There are more than enough of those likely to be in attendance as things stand.
Marines, GK, Necrons...
I may go Eldar- I was looking at Aeronautica today and contemplating a Firestorm or Nightwing... I may be able to get it delivered in time...
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Marines, GK, Necrons...
You mean "marines, marines, necrons..."
Play eldar, that way you have an excuse for losing all your games. :)
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Dear sir, even if you win, the concept of Dark Elder hat eaters will persist. Persist and and be advertised. :) Commissars beware!
you talk in riddles old bean!
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Rules point: Flyer speed
Which will you guys be using of the 2 interpatations?
Rigid: Move 18 or 36.
Flexible: Move minimum 18 up to 36 max
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Tell us we're wrong, we dare you...
Challenges: are we allowing wound overspill when one combatant dies, or are we having the combatants fight in a vacuum?
No overspill to keep things simple. Once one is dead, assume the rest of the attacks are used to gut, wrench and torture their adversary / taunt the fellow's squad mates, or spent to turn their kill into a nice trophy.
Lumbering Behemoth: Can I shoot a blasty turret in addition to my normal weapon allowance if I move? What about Ordnance?
Stationary Behemoth: May fire ALL weapons at full Ballistic Skill.
Combat Speed Behemoth: May fire the turret at full Ballistic Skill, one hull weapon at full Ballistic Skill and the rest as Snap Shots.
Hyperphase Swords: Are we going by what's in the print version (in which case see above post), or the digital version?
They are Power Swords.
Something about daemons
All Slaanesh and Nurgle units in the White Dwarf update receive a 5+ invulnerable save and all Tzeentch daemons in the White Dwarf update receive a 4+ invulnerable save. All Daemons also cause Fear, have the Daemonic Assault special rule, are Fearless and are pretty scary-looking in case there was any other confusion regarding daemons.
What, in each codex, counts as a modifier and what as a change to profile?
They ALL count as modifiers.
Glaive Encarmine
This should be treated as a Non-Unique Power Weapon of the type the model is carrying. Either sword or axe depending on the model.
Mawloc Terror from the Deep vs Flyers
The subterranean attack can affect flyers as it does not meet any of the restrictions for "hard to hit". The cinematic value of a worm bursting out of the ground to catch a plane is too good.
Flyers
Must move anything in-between 18"- 36". Locked Velocity sets their speed to the exact amount of inches they moved in the previous turn.
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Tell us we're wrong, we dare you...
You ARE wrong on some points IMHO ::)
(You did dare us to tell you guys that you're wrong ;D )
But good and clear ruling :)
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Google I was going to disagree about the Mawloc but you are right that image in my head is just too damn cool...
I'm not going to taunt you all just yet. I will let you think you are in for a chance at first, that way victory will be sweeter...
my dark eldar will make you eat those words!
And your hat!
Game on sir, and don't worry about bringing money for lunch, you will be too full of Hat...
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You gotta give the nids some mclovin. Oh, and zilverscale... Hmm... Noted in the little book of grievances. His opponents should make reference!
Remember all, apart from a few expetanct sales coming we still have a few more tickets available so if you want to bring someone along then be sure to buy your ticket in advance and secuee a.space for them!
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I'm not going to taunt you all just yet. I will let you think you are in for a chance at first, that way victory will be sweeter...
my dark eldar will make you eat those words!
And your hat!
Game on sir, and don't worry about bringing money for lunch, you will be too full of Hat...
them be fighting words boy old man!
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Okay, so I've updated the entrant list again since two further ticket sales, and removing the earlier refunds from last month. Still hoping that Chuckles will tell his friends he can go to their next wedding - but however unlikely, because it's too late for a refund for him his spot stays. The same goes for changeyname who was going to hitch a lift.
In both cases, if someone wants to buy a ticket then you can contact them in order to take their place.
1- Zilverscale (Hayo)
2- Cpt_Lucifer (Graeme)
3- Marauder (Graeme+1)
4- m4rt0k (Richard)
5- (David)
6- Arquarian (John)
7- Killing Time (Alex)
8- Plastikente (Jonathan)
9- premetheus (Anthony)
10- (premetheus +1)
11- benis(Benjamin)
12- Lorizael
13- 666_mutley_666 (Denny)
14- "greg" (Denny +1)
15- Valar (Martyn)
16- Chuckles (Bart)
17- (Graeme) << Is this you again Cpt Lucifer? You do know you have 3 tickets now right!?
18- Koval (Joseph)
19- (Jason)
20- Hymirl (Allan) << I think I missed sending you a tournament pack...
21- Changeyname (David)
22- Ginzu (Steve)
23- Ginzu +1 (Sneezy)
24- Ginzu +2 (Sleepy)
25- Ginzu +3 (Dopey)
26- Ginzu +4 (Doc)
27- Ginzu +5 (Happy)
28- Ginzu +6 (Bashful)
29- Ginzu +7 (Grumpy)
30- Davinder (Davinder)
31- Unleash Mayhem (Tristan)
32- Unleash Mayhem +1
33- Andromidius (Matthew)
34- Erriond (Nick)
35- Gary
36- Gary +1
37- SeriousCallersOnly
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39-
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As you can see we only have 4 spaces left (6 including the two stooges noted above). you are fast running out of time if you haven't bought your ticket yet!
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@Zilverscale, you're name is Hayo? How fricking cool is that!
PS. I still have no idea what my army looks like fo this tournement...
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PS. I still have no idea what my army looks like fo this tournement...
Just bring loads of stuff with you Saturday to Promethean Games - Local Business - Bracknell, United Kingdom | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/prometheangames) and that way you can play test until your heart is content.
hahahaha shameless plug ::)
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Er, you've not got me listed there Oink.....
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I will definately be at: Promethean Games - Local Business - Bracknell, United Kingdom | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/prometheangames) this saturday ;0)
Premetheus you still need to let me know if I'm Ok to kip at yours if not can you hook me up with a local b&b... pleeeeeease....
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You gotta give the nids some mclovin. Oh, and zilverscale... Hmm... Noted in the little book of grievances. His opponents should make reference!
I am playing Hymirl...so he already took notice :P
@Zilverscale, you're name is Hayo? How fricking cool is that!
Jups. Pronounce it as the USA state Ohio without the O infront :P
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Oh my... SeriousCallersOnly. .. How did I manage that... erm... Will everyone else also please check that they are on the list! I will be taking some time to check through my e-mail list later and will also be e-mailing everyone the above FAQ list.
Also, one last go at seeing if you want to bring your son along!? We will have at least one other younger gamer there too - so you better all play nice!
We will of course be making rules decisions as they crop up on the day. with extreme prejudice.
In other news, I have printed out the certificates for the day.
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I will also be at: Promethean Games - Local Business - Bracknell, United Kingdom | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/prometheangames) this saturday!
The list isn't going to change so it is probably a silly thing to give a few of you a first look but a night of fear plauged sleep won't do you too much harm.
I really hope I can back these words up...
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Quick question, how fully painted must one's army be? At the moment, I have a grand total of three finished models (my Sentinels; to be fair, the infantry just need faces and bases at this point)
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Unfortunately, I will NOT be at: Promethean Games - Local Business - Bracknell, United Kingdom | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/prometheangames) this saturday! But I hope you guys have fun warming up!
In other news, can someone with a smart phone please make sure thay have 'The Macarena' on their smart phone... Arquarian will be dancing to this if he wins a game (note, that we will be interpreting this as "every" time he wins a game... so maybe just the once then...)
Oh, and your army does not need ot be painted at all. However, as per the rules pack PDF, bonus battle points (the tournament currency) will be offered based on the level your army does present. If you have bare plastic / resin / metal showing then you will only get 1point. a fully painted and based army will net you 3bonus points. Check the pdf.
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The list isn't going to change so it is probably a silly thing to give a few of you a first look but a night of fear plauged sleep won't do you too much harm.
I really hope I can back these words up...
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you need to, other wise you'll be eating alot of hat! and if you fail to bring a hat we'll get you to eat your socks!
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Oh, and your army does not need ot be painted at all. However, as per the rules pack PDF, bonus battle points (the tournament currency) will be offered based on the level your army does present. If you have bare plastic / resin / metal showing then you will only get 1point. a fully painted and based army will net you 3bonus points. Check the pdf.
Looks like I needed to re-read it. Hmm. Oh well, no major hurry to finish everything, then :P
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Oh, and your army does not need ot be painted at all. However, as per the rules pack PDF, bonus battle points (the tournament currency) will be offered based on the level your army does present. If you have bare plastic / resin / metal showing then you will only get 1point. a fully painted and based army will net you 3bonus points. Check the pdf.
Looks like I needed to re-read it. Hmm. Oh well, no major hurry to finish everything, then :P
My army will be base coated seeing as I could not get my hands on 2 models for another army in time.
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I dont think I have a tournament pack...
Edit: I have a tournament pack! Do I get bonus points for picking out the bits in it that are wrong?
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I dont think I have a tournament pack...
Edit: I have a tournament pack! Do I get bonus points for picking out the bits in it that are wrong?
Yes.
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I dont think I have a tournament pack...
Edit: I have a tournament pack! Do I get bonus points for picking out the bits in it that are wrong?
slowly beginning to warm to you....
It is very unlikely I will be winning anything, but I'm packing my dancing shoes none the less..
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So as a final check who is coming down on the Saturday to Triple Helix? 5 of us are and shall be there Friday as well (all booked off work) so with any luck we may have actually learnt something about 6th edition by Sunday!
- M4rt0k
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I dont think I have a tournament pack...
Edit: I have a tournament pack! Do I get bonus points for picking out the bits in it that are wrong?
Yes.
Mostly just to clarify the AA guns, as 6th edition covers this are the rules for Pinte weapons in force still? And it does still say 5th edition at lot..
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So as a final check who is coming down on the Saturday to Triple Helix? 5 of us are and shall be there Friday as well (all booked off work) so with any luck we may have actually learnt something about 6th edition by Sunday!
- M4rt0k
i shall be there saturday, not sure what time though
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Something about daemons
All Slaanesh and Nurgle units in the White Dwarf update receive a 5+ invulnerable save and all Tzeentch daemons in the White Dwarf update receive a 4+ invulnerable save. All Daemons also cause Fear, have the Daemonic Assault special rule, are Fearless and are pretty scary-looking in case there was any other confusion regarding daemons.
This I feel goes beyond what GW probably intended with the new Tzeentch Daemons, given that I will bring quite a lot of them I would prefer for them to simply have a 5++ save given that they have been granted an extra wound. I know now how annoying they can be from a few games so it feels like it is a bit of a power trip to also give them a 4++ from out of nowhere. :-\
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It is very unlikely I will be winning anything, but I'm packing my dancing shoes none the less..
Does anyone have a phone on which they know how to take video?
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It is very unlikely I will be winning anything, but I'm packing my dancing shoes none the less..
Does anyone have a phone on which they know how to take video?
Guys really, me dancing is not a good thing. Believe me many a disco have I wandered home alone from...
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It is very unlikely I will be winning anything, but I'm packing my dancing shoes none the less..
Does anyone have a phone on which they know how to take video?
Guys really, me dancing is not a good thing. Believe me many a disco have I wandered home alone from...
Oh, trust me, that's exactly why I brought the video up. :P
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It is very unlikely I will be winning anything, but I'm packing my dancing shoes none the less..
Does anyone have a phone on which they know how to take video?
Guys really, me dancing is not a good thing. Believe me many a disco have I wandered home alone from...
Oh, trust me, that's exactly why I brought the video up. :P
Nothing good will come of this....
Plus you haven't seen my army yet! You're all going to cry with laughter, and I've only played 6th Ed once.
I think my moves are safe in the box.
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I dont think I have a tournament pack...
Edit: I have a tournament pack! Do I get bonus points for picking out the bits in it that are wrong?
Yes.
Mostly just to clarify the AA guns, as 6th edition covers this are the rules for Pinte weapons in force still? And it does still say 5th edition at lot..
Yes, the pack does reference only 5th edition and covers AA (and flyer rules) because at the time that was what we had to work with. I will be sending out a mass e-mail with the FAQ items above, and clarifying that we will be using the full 6th edition rules with the rules for flyers (and hitting flyers) as outlined in that. So, no, pintle mounted weapons should not count as having skyfire.
Also @ Benis
g00gle5 was of the opinion that the Daemon codex effectively gives +1 to all the invun saves for tzeentchian daemons and so effectively it is the core Daemon rule, +1 to the invun save for being tzeentch.
We are a democracy (or we like to pretend we are), so we are more than open to further views on the matter. We want to ensure that no army is unfairly penalised as a result of unclear rules writing, nor similarly overpowered too. So, for the rest of you, speak now!
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In other news, my delivery from Battlemarkers finally showed up, meaning I now have five sets of counters to aid my memory. Now all I need is my notebook, pen, and camera...
...and eight painted tanks
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In other news, my delivery from Battlemarkers finally showed up, meaning I now have five sets of counters to aid my memory. Now all I need is my notebook, pen, and camera...
...and eight painted tanks
and of course a book to tell you what the markers actually mean... if they are explosion markers, you should've make some of THESE (http://oinksterrain.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/details-explosivo.html). Valar has had the pleasure of watching me place them on all his tanks! haha!
As for painted tanks, again don't worry TOO much if you can't them all done as they are not a necesity. Sayign that though, if you use a coloured primer then it should be easy to get them looking semi-presentable... and if you use an air brush you should be able to get them done... I mean, you have... erm... 4 days... :o
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I get the feeling I'm going to be doing a lot of painting at Promethean Games - Local Business - Bracknell, United Kingdom | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/prometheangames) on saturday...
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and of course a book to tell you what the markers actually mean...
Actually, the ones that came in the post today are the button type from Battlemarkers, so they already have things like Crew Shaken or Weapon Destroyed printed on the top. As pretty as the Munitorum dice are, I'm not planning on getting a set of those.
The tank painting isn't actually going to be that bad. It's mostly just camo on the sides and painting all the guns and metal bits. I should get that done by Friday quite easily (train down to Westbury on Saturday)
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I did it. I signed up last night. I am coming down on my tod from the midlands. See you guys Sunday! ;D
Do I need to submit a list? :-\
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Hi tallerguy!
Don't worry about submitting a list - just be sure to bring along clearly written out army lists on the day. We will be checking them over the course of the day and errors will be severely penalised! so make sure you double and triple check it! You may want to bring along a couple of copies to show to opponents too.
Also don't forget to bring along the rules pertaining to your list - all the more important if you are using anything from forge world for example.
I will be sending you the tournament pack once I receive the confirmation e-mail from THW... and this will be accompanied shortly afterwards by a quick FAQ list and reminder that we will be using 6th edition (and to ignore references to flyers and AA in the pack! - thanks Hymirl!)
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Good to hear Mutley,
There will be five of us down there on Saturday from about 10-11 ish so see ya there!
Martok
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Well, just had an awful practice game. I mean actually awful. Killing time beat me! I'm still in shock :P
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I'm still in shock :P
So am I....
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So am I....
Can you put together a repeat performance at the weekend? I think that Hymirl needs to suffer more defeats at the hands of the Eldar, it will be good for his soul ;).
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The rules pack is horribly outdated and I realised there is one huge hurdle which nobody has asked any questions about, and is usually pretty close to Oink's heart:
Scoring.
For those that don't know, our usual scoring is flat-out Battle Points for Wins /Losses / Draws and the ties are settled by everybody keeping track of old-style Victory points.
Personally, I want to be done with all of that. I can not count the amount of times I have had to delay games in this tournament because I am waiting for people to compare army lists and tally up which units are dead, fleeing or suffered damage (Chuckles...).
In an ideal world I would like to test out scoring new Victory Points and that is it (no battle points). But this comes with a few extra considerations, both good and bad:
- Missions. Some missions are flat-out going to be worth less Victory Points than others -- I can counter-balance this by setting the amount of objectives in each game and pre-determining missions so they are as similar as possible. However, this handicaps armies which are designed to take a small amount of objectives and rely on decimating the opponent and denying them theirs.
- No matter how you have done throughout the day, you always stand a chance of winning the tournament, despite how minute. In The Scouring alone you can potentially win yourself 22 Victory Points and more if your Warlord has Legendary Fighter.
The obvious downside to this is if we keep the normal match-up system after Round 2 of most similar in points to similar in points, the top players VP count is likely to drastically slow down whilst those lower down could gain a huge advantage when they get matched up with weaker players. - Do we change the tournament match-up system to counter-balance this and keep it random throughout all four rounds? Now the problem is you may get four games against somebody that is in a totally different league to you and you get wailed on throughout the day or cruise to victory with little effort.
- Painting scores can be rewarded more fairly on a whole. As Victory Points are a more fluid currency than Battle Points I can increase the range from either 0 - 5 or even 0 - 7 for even more diversity.
Alternative scoring systems we can do include keeping Battle Points with new-style Victory Points:
- Slow and steady wins the race. In previous tournaments after you lose a game you aren't going to win the tournament, you accept it and carry on playing to have fun. We do four games because with around 26 people, 4 games allowed us enough time to filter down and find the one person that won all their games. Since we've done 4 games, I don't remember somebody winning overall who wasn't the sole winner of all four games.
With more people this year, it is likely we will get 2 or 3 people winning all four games, tying on Battle Points then it comes down to their painting scores, and if they are tied on this we turn to Victory Points. This also brings up the question of whether we want to weight painting scores as Battle Points or Victory Points. We do highly treasure painting scores as this is a big part of the hobby, so I'd certainly be inclined to keep them as Battle Points. I'm very fond of the tradition that nobody has won this tournament without a fully painted army (which is likely to be undermined with just Victory Points).
These are the two main scoring systems and there are hybrids in-between. We could keep strict Victory Points but a Win / Draw or Loss automatically awards a set amount of Victory Points. So if you won by claiming 2 objectives and killed their Warlord you would get 3 (objective) + 3 (objective) +1 (Warlord) + 10 (Win) = 17.
What we have to ask ourselves is what kind of tournament do we want to run?
Are we here to find out who is the best tactician and can secure a win by careful consideration of his resources? Where once you have lost a game, you are happy to just play games against somebody of a similar skill level.
OR
Are we here to find out who can win by going all out? Taking risks at every turn to rack up their margin of victory, where those that are working their way to the higher tables are constantly afraid of a mid-tabler snatching their glory at the last minute?
In practice, I think those that are on the higher tables are still going to win overall, but it's interesting that somebody on table 3, 4 or even 5 could take the overall win.
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Simple win loss draw scores generally don't give enough spread to warrant sole use. If using them then you will need to have victory points to give that separation.
We have no trouble is setting the missions, as we have usually done, meaning that we can help to generate a suitable spread. As the first game is random we can minimise the run-away in an odd match up by using a low scoring mission and slowly ramp it up with each game.
I did recently go to a tournament which used a different level of scoring whereby it compared the difference in the victory points in order to generate a margin of victory - and that was your tournament point. It was interesting, but still required people to work out their victory point tally. I can't download the pack at work thanks to the filters, but it was the "redwar" tournament if you want to search for the PDF from the red war society forum.
If it helps, don't forget that I won't be leaving you in the lurch to do it all yourself this year - I will be there to chase for scores too and hopefully ensure that you aren't simply bombarded with a mass of numbers.
If it helps, I can put together some score cards that people can write their names and results on so we can collect and input data in a more orderly fashion.
scrap that... heres the link: Red War 40k Tournament - First Round Draw Page1 (http://forum.redwarsoc.com/showthread.php?tid=864)
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Remember to take it easy on Hymirl this weekend. After what Killing Time's Eldar did to him there's no-way he's walking properly. ;D
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Remember to take it easy on Hymirl this weekend. After what Killing Time's Eldar did to him there's no-way he's walking properly. ;D
I'm guessing he's walking around like a proper hard man to compensate? :P
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I vote we use the new system as no one knows if it will work or not and if there is any problem we just alter the rules halfway through. This method has a clear president in 40KO tournament tradition!
I think keeping the current matchup method would be a good idea, in theory it should still match people against others who have had similar fortunes. While some missions are worth less than others as long as everyone plays the same missions with the same number of objectives it should still be a fair playing field.
As to people getting more points by getting a bigger win over a marginal one it seems fair enough to me, doing better should equal doing better. And means that a marginal loss isn't as bad as a total shoeing.
(yes, yes, a shoeing like dizz's eldar gave my white scars last night ha de ha ha!)
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Speaking as someone who will mostly be found lurking near the bottom of the table, I'd far rather that the matchup system gave me later games against someone of similar ability and fortunes, rather that accidentally ending up against some dick with draigo, paladins and stormravens.
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Okay due to a friend not being able to make it at the last minute, I am going to be going alone, but have already booked all the travel and accomadition for my friend as well. This means I have a spare train ticket on Saturday (tomorrow) coming up from Cornwall and going back Sunday night, so anyone wanting a free ticket to any of those stops on either day I can provide more details. In addition there will be a spare bed going in the Redwood Lodge twin room with me, if anyone wants a free bed on Saturday night.
Probably not very helpful as most people must have sorted everything out, but it's available for anyone who wants it.
Just PM me or reply here.
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rather that accidentally ending up against some dick with draigo, paladins and stormravens.
is that a little dig at popsical from last year?? lol
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In addition there will be a spare bed going in the Redwood Lodge twin room with me, if anyone wants a free bed on Saturday night.
Just go out on the pull Saturday evening. No girl will turn that offer down!
rather that accidentally ending up against some dick with draigo, paladins and stormravens.
is that a little dig at popsical from last year?? lol
Turning up with draigo, paladins and stormravens is a dick thing to do, but seriouscallers said no names so people can decide for themselves if the shoe fits! Hopefully no-one brings thunderwolf/long fang waac spamfest either... :)
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So after waiting three weeks for that Trukk I ordered to show up, and it still not arriving, I've had to alter my list a bit.
Fun times. But hey.
Oh, and I'm looking forward to mocking anyone who somehow loses to me. This will be not only my first game of 6th edition, but the first game of 40k I've played since last year's tournament.
So if Tarrin Killing Time loses to me, especially after beating Hymirl, everyone feel free to join in the pointing and laughing.
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Train down from Ely leaves at lunchtime today, next stop central London, then I have to wait until 3 before leaving Paddington on the train to Westbury. If anyone wants my number, PM me before about 11.
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Right, army fully painted and packed now! I decided against allies in the end and just tooled up my Tau with excessive wargear to meet the points limit. Probably not a great decision from a tournament strategy point of view, but I always wanted to bring a Tau only force and now I will :)
With Forgeworld units, we did decide to take the latest update before 6th, with the addition of structure points, didn't we? (Even though they've taken them off the website). I'm sure I read that somewhere, in this thread, but I can't find it any more.
Now I just have to persuade my printer to work so that I don't have to write my list out 3 times by hand.
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For your tau you will use the latest Tau Taros FAQ which tells you the most up to date rules, plus you will need the latest FW updates which tell you how many Hit Points (not structure points) each vehicle has. Although the Tau FAQ is not "directly" accessible through a forgeworld link it IS still live and you can reach it through direct URL.
This is of course all in addition to teh 6th ed rules, your tau codex and the Tau 6th ed update from GW too.
IF YOU are bringing a flyer then you will of course need the most up to date flyer rules - which for Tau would probably be in the new FW aeronautica book...
Hope you got a big bag!
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Hi tallerguy!
Don't worry about submitting a list - just be sure to bring along clearly written out army lists on the day. We will be checking them over the course of the day and errors will be severely penalised! so make sure you double and triple check it! You may want to bring along a couple of copies to show to opponents too.
Also don't forget to bring along the rules pertaining to your list - all the more important if you are using anything from forge world for example.
I will be sending you the tournament pack once I receive the confirmation e-mail from THW... and this will be accompanied shortly afterwards by a quick FAQ list and reminder that we will be using 6th edition (and to ignore references to flyers and AA in the pack! - thanks Hymirl!)
Nothing received on tournament pack or faq yet...
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For your tau you will use the latest Tau Taros FAQ which tells you the most up to date rules, plus you will need the latest FW updates which tell you how many Hit Points (not structure points) each vehicle has. Although the Tau FAQ is not "directly" accessible through a forgeworld link it IS still live and you can reach it through direct URL.
This is of course all in addition to teh 6th ed rules, your tau codex and the Tau 6th ed update from GW too.
IF YOU are bringing a flyer then you will of course need the most up to date flyer rules - which for Tau would probably be in the new FW aeronautica book...
Hope you got a big bag!
Right, I've now got:
- An army(!)
- Several copies of my army list
- 6th Ed Rulebook
- Tau Codex
- 6th Ed Tau FAQ
- Forgeworld Tau Update
- Forgeworld 6th Ed Vehicle Update
- (Un)lucky dice (I'll reserve judgement until I see how they perform), templates and tape measure
- Glue
- 3 Objective Markers
- A
good sense of humour - A lift to the venue (and back, I hope - we'll see if g00gle5 decides he's still willing by the end of the day)
...almost ready...
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Well done on getting it all painted in time! Nothing quite like an impending deadline to get the paint flowing!
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*paints furiously*
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*paints furiously*
Don't you do most things in a furry fury?
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Well that's my army all done now! :D Time to sort everything out ready to lose many games tomorrow! XD Should be fun.
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Packed and fuelled ready for a 5.30am (eek!) start tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing those of you I met last year again, and meeting some new faces. If you see a bearded chap with Leviathan nids, thats me, Phil.
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You gotta love painting the night before a tourney.
;D ;D
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*paints furiously*
Don't you do most things in a furry fury?
Yes it's highly effective. Painting is done, now just writing an army list.
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Oh my lord, just picked up the rulebook for the second time since it came out. How the beslubber am I going to remember all this? I'm actually having to make crib sheets and revise here. My apologies to whoever I play tomorrow.
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*paints furiously*
Don't you do most things in a furry fury?
Yes it's highly effective. Painting is done, now just writing an army list.
You do know this is where the army list you settle on has none of the units you just finished painting... Looking froward to seeing you all bright and early ready to get into a long day of gaming!
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Due to my army not being ready on time, I'm afraid I won't be able to attend. Sorry guys!!
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Don't say it!
You do not need anything painted... just built! If you are short some models then let us know, I will see if I have what you need to lend you for the day!
I know it's a long day and all - but it'll be a shame for you to miss out!
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Damn Oink, you're getting a little:
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;)
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How did you manage to hack my webcam?
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Oh my lord, just picked up the rulebook for the second time since it came out. How the beslubber am I going to remember all this? I'm actually having to make crib sheets and revise here. My apologies to whoever I play tomorrow.
You're not alone, I can't remember all the rules either, although that's cold comfort, considering I'm not attending. Once you start playing though, they stick much more easily, so you'll get better as the day progresses.
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How did you manage to hack my webcam?
It's from the 322 and growing DVD set my lawyer has instructed you to stop sending to any of my addresses. Seriously, quit it. You'll make Hymirl jealous.
Little known 40KOnline UK Tournament facts: Hymirl will give you a single favourable rules hearing if you provide him with a suitable turkey drumstick prior to the start of the event.
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Don't say it!
You do not need anything painted... just built! If you are short some models then let us know, I will see if I have what you need to lend you for the day!
I know it's a long day and all - but it'll be a shame for you to miss out!
It's the whole army thats not ready. It's in Preston and in a state of "pre-assembly". I had the army commissioned two months ago with yesterday as the deadline. Nick from worthy painting, has told me he's willing to offer me a discount, for not having it ready. So unless someone is willing to lend me an entire Necron army?
It's a shame really, as I was looking forward to tomorrow. I guess there's always next year.
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Don't say it!
You do not need anything painted... just built! If you are short some models then let us know, I will see if I have what you need to lend you for the day!
I know it's a long day and all - but it'll be a shame for you to miss out!
It's the whole army thats not ready. It's in Preston and in a state of "pre-assembly". I had the army commissioned two months ago with yesterday as the deadline. Nick from worthy painting, has told me he's willing to offer me a discount, for not having it ready. So unless someone is willing to lend me an entire Necron army?
It's a shame really, as I was looking forward to tomorrow. I guess there's always next year.
Ah, well, yea that's a big case of not ready! What a shame. Well, hopefully the discount will help soften the blow. Perhaps, if there is enough interest, we may not even have to wait a whole year!?! It seems as though you are unfortunately not the only one who has suffered late dissapointment in not being able to attend... :-\
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Army packed in bag. Woke up at 2am. Going to be drinking a lot of caffiene today.
Oh, and after reading through the rules again I've decided its better to stand out in the open then to put my units inside intact buildings. Those things are deathtraps!
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Don't say it!
You do not need anything painted... just built! If you are short some models then let us know, I will see if I have what you need to lend you for the day!
I know it's a long day and all - but it'll be a shame for you to miss out!
It's the whole army thats not ready. It's in Preston and in a state of "pre-assembly". I had the army commissioned two months ago with yesterday as the deadline. Nick from worthy painting, has told me he's willing to offer me a discount, for not having it ready. So unless someone is willing to lend me an entire Necron army?
It's a shame really, as I was looking forward to tomorrow. I guess there's always next year.
Crap. If I'd have known about this before 6pm yesterday I could have brought you one. :(
I have a Codex Marine army I can bring if you reply in the next 20 minutes...
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So we begin. Once more a group of scoundrels gather to compare wit and brawn on a poorly assembled field of battle looking like a collapsible table covered in Christmas decorations. There can be only one victor, two daves, a mike or three, and a yugo. At the end, one may stand triumphant surrounded by the sullied remains of his opponents. Even so, it's the after/pre match ale that really counts and we'll have nothing bad said about curry night either. Avaunt!
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Well this was a fantastic day out! :D Personally happy with the games I had and everyone was great fun to play with and talk to. Looking forward to the next one!
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The day was sullied even with the lack of Tarrin.
I didn't even get the Mostly Harmless award because someone somehow performed worse then I did. And I didn't get my curry.
On the upside, at least my arse isn't as sore now.
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Wait, no curry? Why no curry?
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Any chance of a list of how well everyone did? I had to leave minutes before the awards etc. to catch my train :(
And to anyone who saw me leaving, I caught it with less than 30 seconds to spare.... (last one of the day as well)
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I came 4th equal with Loriziel (who fielded dirty cheaty grey knights), no prizes for me.
Killing Time came 3rd, so needs his title updated to reflect that he does play 40k rather well indeed, or perhaps the quantum status of channelling tarrin's sullied ways took more effect than anticipated! Who knows?
1st round grudge match versus zilverscale's nasty eldar corsairs! I won purely on secondary objectives as we ran out of time on turn 4 and play was stopped before either of us got a hold of the objective.
2nd round Phil with 'nids, (can't remember if he has a forum name or not? Sorry) turned into a bit of a rollover as I managed to mug both Mawlocs when they attended and storm talon gunships used hover strike to gun down tons of bugs... if they weren't dirty xenos it would have been a war crime! :P
3rd round Erriond's Eldar, nice to meet and play the chap who kicked off the 40KO tournaments, and shoot his eldar to peices. Turned into quite a bloody game of kill points, shining spears attempt get some biker superiority on the white scars who fought to a standstill. The second game where cheaty stormtalons manage to far outperform anything that land speeders could have done.
4th round. Jason with Grey knights a fellow Bristol vanguard player and occasional visitor to 40KO, playing the mission where you get 6 different value objectives it turned out the most valuable were in my deployment zone. So a bit of a stand off game forcing the grey knights to come to me, and taking apart in detail. A Stormraven gunned both my Stormtalons out the sky which made me sad though, poor gunships heated by by a bigger plane...
Still 4 wins but no massive pile of victory points for a podium finish. Most importantly 4 really enjoyable games against good folks. And congratulations to Google and Oink for wonderful organisation!
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I won purely on secondary objectives as we ran out of time on turn 4 and play was stopped before either of us got a hold of the objective.
What was the issue with time? Units, rules, combination?
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When we were playing round 4 on the top tables, there were 5 Grey Knight players in the top 8.
I had the privilage of kicking one of them out of the ranking places, while a Necron player managed to climb into 2nd spot (though I'm not sure who he was playing against).
Top three were:
1st Grey Knights - some sort of 3 dreadknight spam list
2nd Necrons - no idea what it had in it
3rd Eldar - my un-cheesy sub-optimised soft hybrid list of ultimate doom
Game 1 The Relic
I played against a nid list (same one Hymirl played in round 2).
I splatted his Swarm Lord with long range firepower in turn 1 and things went downhill for him from then on.
Highlights of the game included charging a Mawloc with my Farseer to tie it up for a turn, causing a couple of wounds with my witchblade and then finishing the job with fire dragons using melta bombs in cc.
Final victory points 5-0
Game 2 was Crusade against the ever popular Chaos Space Wolves.
The list included a big wolfy wolf lord on a thunder wolf with some wolves, a unit of thuderwolves, three big grey hunter squads with Rune Priests in each, and a couple of Long Fang squads.
I managed to squish one Long Fangs unit with sniper fire and the warwalkers in the first turn and then scragged the other on turn 2 with deep striking warp spiders. This basically gave me the match as he was limited to using living lightning as his sole long ranged anit-tank, and this never works out well when your opponent is an Eldar player with Runes of Warding.
A bladestorm polished off most of his wolflord squad and I had a relatively simple time picking off most of the Grey Hunters to allow me to outscore him by three objectives to one.
A really good game against a very likable chap called Dave.
Final victory points 11-3
Game 3 was Purge the Alien against Benis and his Daemons
I've never played against Daemons before so I was intrigued to see how they would work, and it's great to put faces to forum names you've know for ages.
Benis managed to get me on the back foot early on by taking out my Avenger's wave serpent, and the whole game turned into a bit of a street fight as we scrapped it out for kill points.
And then the weirdest thing happened.
About halfway through turn four a quantum wormhole opened and the words "five minutes left!" rang across the hall. I looked at Benis and told him what I'd heard, so we agreed to finish this turn and pack up, leaving us on 7 victory points each. Having already cleared away our models it became clear that everyone was still playing and we actually had a good half an hour left.
The spirit of Tarrin was clearly strong here and the result sullies what should otherwise have been a pristine and honorable draw.
Game 4 - The Scouring against Grey Knights
So with some surprise I found myself in the mix amongst all the Grey Knight players scrapping it out for the top places (and Hymirl).
The Scouring could well be a mission that suited me since I have both warp spiders and swooping hawks in my list. My opponent had an interceptor squad so I decided it need to die quickly.
Sniper fire and war walkers duly obliged and then I sacrificed the hawks in a grenade run on his psyfleman dread that was threatening my skimmers. Boom.
Dragons popped a landraider, and I rather surprised my opponent with what doom, bladestorm and triple flamer storm guardians will do to even a ten strong unit of grey knight terminators.
With the big threats reduced I had pretty good board control and was able to claim the lions share of the high value objectives. I also got bonus points for killing his fast attack squad which also turned out to be first blood.
Final score 11-8
In the end I think 6th Edition has been very kind to my list. It certainly seems to favour the balanced approach and it's nice to be able to field things like swooping hawks in a tournament without feeling like you're throwing games.
I was really pleased with the way the list played and very satisfied with the final result.
And congrats to Google and Oink for another great event.
There were many compliments throughout the day on what a friendly environment it was.
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I won purely on secondary objectives as we ran out of time on turn 4 and play was stopped before either of us got a hold of the objective.
What was the issue with time? Units, rules, combination?
Late start, due to 'someone' getting lost repeatedly on the way there.
Hense I blame Hymirl for not winning my first game! If I had a full 4 turns I'd have all the objectives no problem - as it was I only got 2 turns and my opponant got 3!
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Great event, Great games, really glad to have the opportunity to put names to faces.
Big thanks to Prometheus and Google for looking after me.
Big up my man Erriond for his drunken yet futile challange at 11 o'clock on Saturday night.
And many thanks to all the guys I played. Mortoc, Graham, Loziel and Zilverscale.
O:nk made me do the Macarena so I don't like him anymore. Although I think this was a fix to put the only guy with a AA tank against the only only Nid player fielding 5 flyers...
Next time I'l bring a proper army ;0)
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It seems as though sixth edition will strengthen my Eldar force, in view of the performance of Dizz's army outlined above. Well played :).
It looks as though great fun was had by all. I'm sorry I missed it. I might make it to the 2014 event.
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Well, yesterday was my first tournament ever, and it was awesome fun. It’s a bit weird to meet all the forum people in the flesh. Of everyone I met, I think O:nk looks least like his profile picture – I always thought you’d be ... rounder. I've posted my army list on the Tau forum (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=223376.0), if anyone's interested, and my photos for the day can be found on Flickr via my sig (although I only have photos of my games, so they may not be of that much interest).
The Games...
The Relic, Hammer and Anvil Deployment, vs Dwarf 2’s (sorry, can’t remember your real name! PM me and I’ll edit) Ultramarines.
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This game got me off to a good start. My opponent deployed quite far back for some reason, which allowed me to infiltrate my Kroot right onto the relic. It also meant that I could really milk the first turn of night-fighting. There was a lot of woodland on the board, and I was quite fortunate with my mysterious forest rolls, unlike my opponent, whose deepstriking terminators scattered into some brainleaf fronds and then proceeded to power-fist each other. I took the relic, first blood and linebreaker to win 5-0.
Crusade (4 objectives), Vanguard Strike, vs Phil’s (SeriousCallersOnly) Tyranids.
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My gunline sat and waited whilst he came to me. Everything was going well until I fluffed a couple of morale checks, and his deep-strikers started to arrive. We were still fairly evenly matched when we had to call it at the end of turn 3 (large armies and lack of rules-familiarity slowed us down), although another turn would probably have turned it into a decisive victory for one side or the other. He finished with 2 objectives and linebreaker. I had one objective, first blood, linebreaker and slay the warlord. 6-7. This was the first time I’ve ever played against Nids, and was good fun.
Purge the Alien, Dawn of War, vs Jason Tovey’s Grey Knights.
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I took a sound spanking. Psycannons and Stormbolters moved into range on turn one, and fairly effectively outshot my Fire Warriors. I whittled down a good number of his squads, but found it very hard to land the killing blow. Then his Stormchicken full of Terminators arrived, along with a deep-striking Dreadknight, and once they were among my lines I was in real trouble. Possibly my best moment of the day came when my Kroot overwatched his Terminator Librarian to death though, who was also his warlord! That saved me from being tabled. 7-12. This was also the most visually pleasing game of the day, as the scenery matched my army!
The Scouring, Dawn of War, vs Steve’s (I think! again please PM to correct me) Space Wolves.
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Having invested yesterday in the GW objective dice, I had a chance to use them! They’re definitely better looking than paper, but probably cost more than they’re worth. This board had a lot of city terrain, giving vehicles plenty of places to hide, making it the most tactically challenging game of the day. I was fortunate to have the 4pt objective, a 2 and a 3 on my side of the board, forcing my opponent to come to me. He had a frustratingly effective tactic of sticking Terminator-armoured Wolf Guards at the front of Grey Hunter squads, forcing most shooting hits onto the harder armour then rolling for Look Out Sir! when he failed a save. In the end, it came down to last-turn manoeuvring to claim and contest objectives. The improved jet-pack movement and some good rolls really helped me here, and I took the game 9-4.
Overall, I came 11= in the arcane ranking system used by g00gle5/oink, as my more average tactical prowess was boosted by my pretty army (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=168233.76).
Many thanks to everyone who was involved in making the day happen, and particularly to g00gle5 for the lift - if you want petrol money you need to send me some bank details.
Cheers all,
-Jonathan
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It was a awesome day and the people at triple helix and the curry was great.
On another note I had to take a shower when I got in (which some of you may think was due to the hot weather) but was in fact due to playing as Googles grey knights the whole day.
Proving that they require very little skill whatsoever to play and adding insult to injury won game 3 Vs Oink and Google (Yes I played both of them at the same time) with the good old fashioned rhino rush (+ 2 Dreadknights and an interceptor squad).
In the end got stomped in my final game to decide the winner (ha me 3 points of first in 2nd place) Vs a 3 Dreadknight list which came down to 2 sets of dice roles right at the start the result of which left me 2 dead Dreadknights and him 3 alive to go stomp the rest of my army into little pieces and leave me on the wrong end of an 11-0 result.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
or 2 or 3 or 5 in the top 10.......and who says grey knights ain't the best god damn army to ever grace the Warhammer universe...
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He had a frustratingly effective tactic of sticking Terminator-armoured Wolf Guards at the front of Grey Hunter squads, forcing most shooting hits onto the harder armour then rolling for Look Out Sir! when he failed a save.
This was played incorrectly, if using a unit all with the same save then it's ok, but if they have different saves then the 'Look out Sir!' rolls needed to be rolled before taking any saving throws.
I'm sure Hymirl will be along momentarily to further clarify with his rules interpreting godliness.
robo
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I had great fun with the tourny, came 6th (with beslubber loads of other people). Much better than any of us expected... We were honestly expected that all of us from the Somerset Sternguard were gonna up at the bottom of the list. Just goes to show the might of the dwarves I guess!
Cheers greatly to Oink and Google for organising the event, to the guys at Triple Helix for letting us steal their aircraft hangar like warehouse to play with lil plastic dudes and finally a big thanks to Snow White (Steve a.k.a. Ginzu) for getting the tickets, getting us together, giving me a lift to street and taking us (leading Phil and Ash) to the event!
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He had a frustratingly effective tactic of sticking Terminator-armoured Wolf Guards at the front of Grey Hunter squads, forcing most shooting hits onto the harder armour then rolling for Look Out Sir! when he failed a save.
This was played incorrectly, if using a unit all with the same save then it's ok, but if they have different saves then the 'Look out Sir!' rolls needed to be rolled before taking any saving throws.
I'm sure Hymirl will be along momentarily to further clarify with his rules interpreting godliness.
robo
Correct. The mixed saves rules apply here so wounds are allocated (and therefore moved by LOS!) before saves are rolled
I thought this is the chap who played Killing Time in the previous round... EDIT: No it was a different chap! Carry on!
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He had a frustratingly effective tactic of sticking Terminator-armoured Wolf Guards at the front of Grey Hunter squads, forcing most shooting hits onto the harder armour then rolling for Look Out Sir! when he failed a save.
This was played incorrectly, if using a unit all with the same save then it's ok, but if they have different saves then the 'Look out Sir!' rolls needed to be rolled before taking any saving throws.
I'm sure Hymirl will be along momentarily to further clarify with his rules interpreting godliness.
robo
Correct. The mixed saves rules apply here so wounds are allocated (and therefore moved by LOS!) before saves are rolled
I thought this is the chap who played Killing Time in the previous round...
Well, come to think of it, it only happened once. If it was the same guy, maybe he forgot in the heat of the moment, and then didn't repeat it again. Or maybe it wasn't the same guy at all.
I certainly learned a thing or two about the rules yesterday - you just don't think of stuff sometimes until it happens on the gaming table.
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I thought this is the chap who played Killing Time in the previous round and was picked up on this and refused to play the rules correctly until Google confirmed it. If so going back to intentionally playing it in the incorrect and massively advantageous way is just obvious cheating if this is the same guy.
Nope.
The guy I played didn't have any terminators, and also was genuinely pleased to be corrected since the wrong interpretation seemed horribly abusable and broken.
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Firstly, Thanks to Triple Helix for hosting the event and all the people behind the scenes that made it happen. Everyone was super friendly and I enjoyed hanging out with everyone. 8)
Game 1. The Relic, Hammer and Anvil Deployment, vs Phil’s (SeriousCallersOnly) Tyranids
Phil and I met in the car park before the shop opened as we both traveled a way to get there. It was nice to meet first then to play a game together. My necrons stayed at medium range to create a shooting gallery with the relic . The plan to pick off the MC one by one and slowly retreat. The long range firepower took the spawning Nid (it creates bug babies) to one wound left. Annihilation barges look care of the front range of little bugs and slowed the Nid advance. Phil got super unlucky and rolled perils while casting FNP with super bug and the first MC was downed. Special genestealers arrived from ruins to eat a warrior squad but could not survive the return fire next turn. Two Zoanthropes messed up a barge and two brave warriors left from getting shot up by a pod of small bugs with guns charged it to keep it busy. It worked! My scarabs made a line for the nasty bugs with big guns at the back of the board to tie them up We only got to turn three before we ran out of time. Did anyone finish the first game? I felt I had the upper hand and could have got the relic by turn 5. as it turned out no one had the relic but I won on secondary. We both had LB but I had KtW and FB.
Crusade (4 objectives), Vanguard Strike, vs Hayo and Eldar flyers
Three flyers in the list + bikes in reserve. I think that was about half the army points wise not on the table. I had to hit hard to make a dent before they got on the board. I managed to crippled his troops and some of the mech. Two flyers came turn two and messed me up at bit. I stayed on the assault. Outflanking bikes where a bit of a problem but they did not reduce my fire-power to much. I think it got to turn 4 and Hayo had had enough and called it. I hope he still enjoyed the game. All three flyers where still flying around with out any ground support.
Purge the Alien, Dawn of War, vs John's Winning Dred Knights
I think I could deal with Grey knights and have done well against them in competitions before. haha I was wrong. Three scouting, jumping killing machine dread knights. All MC's not vehicles so I can't strip HP with Gauss or use mind in the machine. The first knight was lanced and torrented to one wound left. A scarab took the last wound off. I had a chance with the surf lord to take out the other two so pushed to intercept. As expected the surf lord was charged but his mind shackle scarabs did not hold so the dread was not hitting himself and he was hitting my warlord! My T5 surf lord was insta gibbed as the dread knight has Str 10 firsts! I would have been killed by the force weapon anyway. The chance I had was to shackle it then following turn sweep, as the barge can leave combat, and charge the last knight. Oh well, best laid plans and all. The warrior squads did their best with the lance teks challenging every round of close combat to stop the multiple wounds from spilling over. I still failed a number of Ld 9 test though. It was a massive defeat to a tough army that way played very well. I would like to meet it again as I think I can best it given another go. Grudge?
The Scouring, Dawn of War, vs Chris’s Tau.
I loved the army and how it worked together. Broadsides where taken care of by the lance teks after some poor shooting from them. Scarabs actual did some anti tank instead of tying up squads. Rapid fire weapons vs. kroot is super effective. I brought Anakyer the traveller as my second HQ and managed to use his power mind in the machine to take control of a big Tau gun boat and make it shoot his buddy next to him. Game ended turn 6 due to time with two fire warriors left on the board. We should have played the last turn to get more of my squads on scoring objectives.
I was really pleased I came second overall. I won 3 games and lost the game to the overall winner of the day John and his Dred Knights. I played three armies I have not played before. Nids, Eldar and Tau. I was one point away from the top spot. in other news I dropped a point as two of my boom teks where not painted the same as the others. Doh!
My list was
Overlord in command barge with war scythe and mind shackle scarabs.
Anakyer the traveller. (His tacyon arrow did not hit all game, but mind in the machine worked once on Tau)
6 Immortals
5 lots of 5 warriors
2 courts of 4 boom teks two in 4 warrior squads above + 1 solar pulse
2 lots of 6 scarabs
6 Wraiths
3 Annihilation barges (yes they are very good)
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I had a some very interesting, and ultimately ammusing situations arise against Gary (Most Harmless) There were three awesome moments in that game:
1. When his white scar assault squad tried to assault a unit of Fire Warriors... The closest model could not see the target the other side of a tall wall, but we assumed that because a one of the other models could see the unit could charge. They were 5" away and only rolled a 5 on the assault. However, the closest model (and some buddies) were in terrain, so he took the dangerous terrain test for each guy. The closest model failed and got killed! This now left his unit out of range!!!
2. When Khan and his command unit charged their bikes into 3 Vespid (he'd already shot the rest dead!), one managed to kill a biker using overwatch before promptly getting run offer by Hammer of Wrath. Khan wiped out the strain leader leaving the remaining bikers to stomp on the last poor vespid! he took and saved 6 armour saves
3. The only thing more awesome than saving 6 flak armour saves was the little Ld5 chap rolling double 1 for his morale... what a legend... except for the fact that I'd been charged, and the little bastard was now holding the unit in combat right in the middle of my army with the rest of my chaps wishing they could just blast the bikes into oblivion!!! LOL
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No moment in the day could be greater than the Amazeballs cocky dice Grahame rolled! O:nk you have to post that picture!
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Just got back to Cambridgeshire, train was held up at Newbury ~_______~
I thoroughly enjoyed myself, hope to see you guys again next time. Games will go up as batreps at some point soon™, but to summarise:
1) Guard (me) vs Ultramarines, lost 5-1
2) Guard vs Chaos Marines, lost 9-1 (both of us were commenting on how badly my dice were behaving, although I'm making no excuses)
3) Guard vs Dark Eldar (Mutley), won 9-8
4) Guard vs Eldar, won 8-3
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Hey all!
Thank you all for an amazing day, well worth the HOURS of car travel at either end of the day. Huge well done to Oink and Google for doing such a great job of organising what I think was the most seamless 40k online tournament to date.
The biggest thanks to Mutley, Gary, Hymirl and Benis for four very different but equally good games.
Game 1 vs Mutley (Dark eldar with allied Eldar and lots of forge world): Seeing lots of models that 1) are large, 2) have large weapons on them and 3) you have no idea what they do, is terrifying at 9am when you have a hangover. Eldar vs Eldar is always pretty brutal as... things die, a lot. I'm not going to micro analyse the game but it ended 5-1 to me but was actually a lot closer than the score. Mutley dutifully ate an entire hat as agreed prior to the game, the man is a hero to his word.
Game 2 vs Gary (White scars): A tactical game like I haven't had the joy of in a while. He went on the offensive early and had me reeling but I managed to focus down most of his army only to realise that this left the rest of it on two objectives which were about 48" away from my forces... and he managed to immobilise the wave serpent! A race vs time ensued and it ended with me holding 1 objective and us contesting the other 3. Those damn bikes are hard to kill! I could have taken a risk and tried to force him off 2 with hit or miss charges but I don't rate my charge distance rolls, I think my army needs more units with fleet! 5-0 to me but again closer than the score really states. We ran down the clock and ended on turn 5, I longed for a 6th turn but lunch was a greater call.
Game 3 vs Hymril (more White scars!): So many bikes but is wasn't these that really caused the problem, it was that damn ap 4 whirlwind (and a single dice which rolled a hit) and the two storm talons. I think I sort of fell to bits here and I'm not totally sure why but the game just didn't really go my way. Kill points vs marines, especially ones on bikes is never going to be an easy match up for Eldar so maybe I will blame it on that. Looking back there was alot I would do differently and it was a great learning experience against an opponent who really knew his stuff. As I recall the only things left on the table at the end were Eldrad, 1 warp spider, 1 wave serpent, 3 tactical marines, 2 basic bikers, a whole untouched bike squad and the two storm talons. If only I had pipped first blood and concentrated those warp spiders on the tactical marines eh? Massive kudos to Eldrad who one marine bike at a time slowly challenged and chopped his way through combat for nearly half the game. The final score was 7-10 to Hymril.
Game 4 vs Benis (daemons): Again there is a bit of fear to facing something that you have no idea what it does. Daemons are pretty scary but they had a hard time deepstriking next to massed S6 Eldar firepower a few units at a time. It was in this game that the fire dragons that learnt, when faced with ap 4 flamer templates, all stand directly behind Eldrad and let him take all the saves for you. Could have gone horribly wrong but the 3+ gods were most definitely with me. The final score 14-4 to me.
That saw an equal 4th place over all, not a bad showing and I had a fantastic time. I can't wait for the next one.
Have other people got a man/ elf/ daemon/ model of the day? Mine goes to the unsung hero that was the wave serpent who along with Eldrad was the only model to survive every game. It got immobilised, it even got shaken once but it held in there time after time. Well done little tank!
Oh and what is that...? A video of someone forced to perform the Macarena after winning his first game? When I figure how to upload it you will all have the awkward joy of it.
Happy gaming,
E
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thanks to Google and Nancy for organising everything and to THW for hosting the event and to the four people i played (erriond, Unleash Mayhem, Koval, Lord Governor Militant and the other guy whos not on this forum)
and curses to erriond for making me eat my hat!
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Erriond, you need to work out how post that video up... it was TOO funny!
Still need to download the pics, the one I have of that insane cocked dice looks like it's been performed by the dice god itself!
Post Merge: August 20, 2012, 05:57:47 PM
this double post test
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Thanks guys i had a great day and a real pleasure to meet you all. Had three great games and one against alan :(
deffo up for the next one. :D
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So who was the proud winner of the wooden spoon?
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I was robbed of that honour. By a seemingly very nice bloke with White Scars.
Maybe next time I'll win one. I was robbed at the Vanquish Tournament of that honour since I didn't come last 'legitimately'. Bastards.
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A good chap called Gary. Not currently part of the forum he won the "most harmless" award. He says he will be joining us soon though, with that as his user name! lol!
Interestingly enough, his son was our youngest ever competitor at 11. And he delivered a good old beating to a number of our members! I'll be trying to get hold of the full data from google to see if I can discover some sort of visual eye goodness way of showing random pieces of information.
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The full final table would be cool! It sounds like about 8 people came in =4th place...
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Erriond, you need to work out how post that video up... it was TOO funny!
You really really don't have to.
Still need to download the pics, the one I have of that insane cocked dice looks like it's been performed by the dice god itself!
after Grahem (can't remember his AKA) picked the dice up he susbequently lost 5 Terminators rolling 1s !!!
Dice Gods were on my side after that but the damage had already been done and I was tabled on turn 5.
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The full final table would be cool! It sounds like about 8 people came in =4th place...
If only you had taken down that one plucky warp spider you would have been 4th all on your own ;)
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Cheers guys for a great tournament. I did for once enjoy a tournament with rules bickering. I was the guy with the 2 Tervigon Spawning Nids by the way,
Game 1 vs Grey Knights: LOSS 0-1. Fun guy to play against. I really thought I'd edged the game apart from being shot off the objective. Well done. A very good, close game with a lot of twists and turns along the way. Highlight: progressing a combat with 30 Termagants vs one Interceptor.
Game 2 vs Eldar: WON 12-0. I thought I played the most solid in this game. Concentrated on the mission rather than NOM stuff. The guy was aparently new to the tournament scene but held his own. It was again very relaxed and enjoyable. Highlight: The Trygon Prime making it accross the big bridge smashing some Wraithlords along the way.
Game 3 vs Ultramarines: WON 12-2. Initial thought I was very impressed with Will who was 2-0 at a tournament at just 11. The kill point mission and not enough guns was a big factor in this game for him. Some mistakes on his mark caused him to lose a total of 500 points due to the Doom's psychic power over the game was also massive. I felt bad after rolling over his army in 4 turns. I hope he learns a few things as he'll be a great player in the future if he keeps going. Highlight: 30 Termagants shooting down a Vanguard Veteran squad.
Game 4: Vs Grey Knights: LOSS: 5-10 A very challenging game. Do not face a lot of Dreadknights but then to face two is a pain. The only chance I really had was to keep Iron Arm going on the swarmlord. The Grey Knights were played very well and shut out a lot of my stuff which decided the game. Very hard game. Highlight: My Tervigon moving away from the Grey Knight Terminators whilst spawning Termagants into the meat grinder ;).
Overall Joint 8th is a good result. I aimed to be top Nid player of the day. I succeeded. I'm already working on improving the list for my next tournament in October.
Thanks once again.
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Great tournament, big thanks to Oink and Google! Really nice meeting you all as well and put some faces to the profiles, I liked how Google sort of look like Gordon Freeman. :)
I was the funny sounding guy with the Daemons, I did fairly well from what I thought I would have done with one complete victory against Ash (right?) Chaos Space Marines, one defeat against Max's (right?) Necrons, one draw against Killing Time's Eldar and one whooping defeat against Erriond's Eldar.
All in all it was a great time and it went quite well playing abroad, I think I didn't cause any major misunderstandings at all and due to the English nature of the game it really is easy to talk to your opponent, though it was a bit annoying counting the dice in English. It was also cool to see some of the armies you have seen on picture here on the site in real life, I was quite impressed with Plastikente's Tau, while the picture on 40konline are nice they really do not do the force justice.
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Benis I'm pretty sure that your English is better than some gamers I have played who were born here, way better than mine was at 6 in the morning after a night of drinking with Google and Arquarian.
To all you non-UK 40k onliners Benis has set the standard for attendance, there is no excuse now!
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Had a great time at the tournament! Once we finally got there that is... (cheers Hymril!)
I took a Grey Knight army: Grand Master, 6 terminators, 20 Strike-Knights, 10 Interceptors, 2 Dreadknights and a single hammer weilding Paladin.
Game 1 vs Max's Necrons.
Looked scary at first- not a fan of Doomsday Arks and Wraiths... But after some serious focus fire and running from terrain to terrain I grabbed the relic and tabled the 'Crons in turn 4.
Win: 5 - 0
Game 2 vs Google's/Oink's Tau.
Game started off very well with wiping out 3 Tau units in the first turn and comfortably grabbing two objectives. It went to hell after that with wave after wave of Tau fire power gradually whittling down the Knights until they were all gone on turn 6.
Impressed with the single Paladin who spent the game running at tanks and attracting huuuge amounts of fire :D
Loss: 2 - 8
Game 3 vs Aquarian's Corsairs.
I finally got to use Warp Quake for the first time ever and created some deep striking mishaps for the Eldar. :D
In typical Eldar fashion, Aquarian moved everything to one end of the board over 2 turns and made me walk the length of the battlefield in order to catch him up.
Thankfully I finally did and ended up tabling the Eldar. Not before a single unit of Dark Eldar annhilated a Dreadknight :(
Win: 17 - 1
Game 4 vs 40kash1986's Tyranids.
Damn those termagant spawning evil monstrosities!! I lost count of how many spawned units I had to chew through.
Really tough game which came down to the last turn grab of objectives. Some epic fights occured though, including 2 Dreadknights taking on the Swarmlord and an Intereptor squad staying in combat the entire game from turn 2. The Justicar finally succumbed after being swarmed by uncountable termagants. Good use of Warpquake kept the Doom of Malantai away until turn 4 (when I forgot to cast it...).
Win: 10 - 5
Finished 4th overall. Shared with a few others but we all know it's only mine that counts ;)
Thanks to all my opponents, Google, Oink and Steve at Triple Helix. :D
And Benis for bringing my baby a Swedish Moose toy!
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Game 3 vs Aquarian's Corsairs.
I finally got to use Warp Quake for the first time ever and created some deep striking mishaps for the Eldar. :D
In typical Eldar fashion, Aquarian moved everything to one end of the board over 2 turns and made me walk the length of the battlefield in order to catch him up.
Thankfully I finally did and ended up tabling the Eldar. Not before a single unit of Dark Eldar annhilated a Dreadknight :(
Win: 17 - 0
If he annihilated a Dreadkmight, why didn't he have any Victory Points at the end? I thought Game 3 was Purge the Alien?
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Game 3 vs Aquarian's Corsairs.
I finally got to use Warp Quake for the first time ever and created some deep striking mishaps for the Eldar. :D
In typical Eldar fashion, Aquarian moved everything to one end of the board over 2 turns and made me walk the length of the battlefield in order to catch him up.
Thankfully I finally did and ended up tabling the Eldar. Not before a single unit of Dark Eldar annhilated a Dreadknight :(
Win: 17 - 0
If he annihilated a Dreadkmight, why didn't he have any Victory Points at the end? I thought Game 3 was Purge the Alien?
D'oh! :o
I actually killed both of them! I don't think it would have affected the scores too badly though. although I'm claiming the moral victory and after killing a grand total of 9 MCs that day I'm giving myself th title BEASTSLAYER!! ;D ;D
The Wraithguard actually scattered to within 12" of Loz's dreadknight activating the Warp Quake, D'oh! Loz subsequnetly DS'ed them into a swamp where they lost two of their number and played no real part in the game again. :(
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Lorizael, I do believe that makes your win sullied.
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Just going to warn everyone in advance. I'm going to destroy you all next year.
Also, despite my comments on the day I'm going to stick with my Orks. They may be broken by 6th edition, but I'm going to powerplay so damn hard next time that it'll make up for it to bring me back onto par with the rest of you!
/endsmacktalk
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Lorizael, I do believe that makes your win sullied.
LOL
He is joining Tarrin's rank then :P
Anyways was nice to meet you guys :)
Was a fun grudge match vs Hymirl (you really dislike Eldar of any kind do you? ;) )
Last match was also great fun :)
Got to kill me some Slaanesh worshipping Corsairs!! (Arquarian)
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Damn Flyers! If only I had another Firestorm I would have easily beat you!
Having said that I almost tabled you on turn 2!! If it wasn't for those 3 corsairs (Pirate guardians for the uninitiated) all making their cover saves against 6 Wraithcannons shots I'd be dancing the Macarena again!!!
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Damn Flyers! If only I had another Firestorm I would have easily beat you!
Having said that I almost tabled you on turn 2!! If it wasn't for those 3 corsairs (Pirate guardians for the uninitiated) all making their cover saves against 6 Wraithcannons shots I'd be dancing the Macarena again!!!
True on both accounts :)
And that with 2 Nightwings, 1 Phoenix, 2 10 man Jetpackers and a Falcon with 5 man squad still needing to come in...
Lesson learned: Do not keep to much in reserves!
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsL0LaANtKXKdGdEalpMazl5UGY2a01VMGxrbzMwTlE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsL0LaANtKXKdGdEalpMazl5UGY2a01VMGxrbzMwTlE)
Hopefully that'll work. I will try and comment more later on -- but to keep you happy for now!
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Nice!
I am improving!
Always when I go to England for a tourny I come in second to last...never quite getting a wooden spoon -.-
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I'm still really surprised that I was the only Guard player at the event...
Just out of interest, what do the numbers in Column C represent?
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Painting score.
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6 Grey Knight armies? Bloody heck, and all top half.
6th Edition has been very kind :P
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Game 3 vs Aquarian's Corsairs.
I finally got to use Warp Quake for the first time ever and created some deep striking mishaps for the Eldar. :D
In typical Eldar fashion, Aquarian moved everything to one end of the board over 2 turns and made me walk the length of the battlefield in order to catch him up.
Thankfully I finally did and ended up tabling the Eldar. Not before a single unit of Dark Eldar annhilated a Dreadknight :(
Win: 17 - 0
If he annihilated a Dreadkmight, why didn't he have any Victory Points at the end? I thought Game 3 was Purge the Alien?
D'oh! :o
I actually killed both of them!
Only the 1 ;)
Sorry, was copy pasting stuff and put the score wrong. Should have been 17 - 1 :D
There is no sullyment!
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6 Grey Knight armies? Bloody heck, and all top half.
Counting Chaos Marines, I've noticed fifteen MEQ-players out of 32 participants (seventeen if we're including Necrons as MEQ as well).
And only myself representing the Imperial Guard...
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Just going to warn everyone in advance. I'm going to destroy you all next year.
Also, despite my comments on the day I'm going to stick with my Orks. They may be broken by 6th edition, but I'm going to powerplay so damn hard next time that it'll make up for it to bring me back onto par with the rest of you!
/endsmacktalk
i would accept that challenge, but i learnt the hard way that hats dont taste very good this year!
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I was the only Ork player there too.
Damn you Changey! Why did you abandon us!
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i learnt the hard way that hats dont taste very good this year!
Well, maybe hats will taste better next year. They might decide to start making hats out of candy floss or something.
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6 Grey Knight armies? Bloody heck, and all top half.
Cheese knights? They're powerful in any edition....
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It is interesting that after four games of different missions, each worth differing victory points we have neded up with a fair few people on the same total score - it is also interesting that if we were to discount Battle Points (this was the score you won for a win/ draw/ loss) then the rankings would look pretty different!
I am wondering if we need to worry about Battle Points in future - or if what we need to do is score battle points based on the margin of victory as opposed to the simple result. As it stands, it is clear that two people may have had a really really close battle, with one person justing pipping the other to the win... but for tournament purposes, the loser of that game would be treated the same as someone who may have got absolutely boned in their game (because they might not necessarily be a great player!)
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It is interesting that after four games of different missions, each worth differing victory points we have neded up with a fair few people on the same total score - it is also interesting that if we were to discount Battle Points (this was the score you won for a win/ draw/ loss) then the rankings would look pretty different!
I am wondering if we need to worry about Battle Points in future - or if what we need to do is score battle points based on the margin of victory as opposed to the simple result. As it stands, it is clear that two people may have had a really really close battle, with one person justing pipping the other to the win... but for tournament purposes, the loser of that game would be treated the same as someone who may have got absolutely boned in their game (because they might not necessarily be a great player!)
Just out of interest, what would the rankings look like if we did, in fact, do away with Battle Points?
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It would probably be a good idea to set up some sort of point for victories instead of using victory points since this can differ so greatly depending on what sort of army you face, at least during Purge the Alien. Might be better to have a system for determining the extent of the victory (draw - minor - major - massacre) and then give points according to that. Then again it is sort of charming to just use the official rules.
Here are some of my pictures I took during the day:
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Can you spot Wally... I mean Oink? :D
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Well, you can see for yourself following g00gle5 link. The total battle, and total victory points are added up separately immediately before the final grand total result.
First and second would'nt be any different, but Killing Time would have tied with Lorizael for third spot (if also we didn't score painting)...
Also Benis, just because it's funnier, in England we know him as Wally... (funny on account of it being English slang for a stupid person)
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I would have been one step higher up from the look of it, but really I would say the system did work quite alright although it felt a bit Byzantine from time to time.
Also Benis, just because it's funnier, in England we know him as Wally... (funny on account of it being English slang for a stupid person)
Fixed it! :)
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Hmm, thought I'd replied with brief reports on this thread, but the internet seems to have eaten my post.
I arrived before anyone (a full two hours before Hymirl), including the THW staff, due to googlemaps lying to me about journey times. Fortunately Tallerguy arrived shortly after, and we had a nice chat while waiting for everyone else.
Turned out that tallerguy's crons were my first opponent in the end to end deployment, relic game. His list was quite tough, with three annihilation barges, 6 wraiths, and numerous small squads of warriors with a pair of lance crypteks in each. Highlight was my tervigon taking 5 wounds in the first shooting phase, them promptly rolling snake eyes for casting catalyst (my first roll of the game) and dying to PotW. In the end neither of us took the relic, but he killed a lot of my nids and scored all of the secondary objectives, leaving me with just linebreaker.
My second game was vs Plastikente's Tau. diagonal deployment for 4 objectives. I was quite surprised to win this one actually, as the first two turns seemed to consist of withering pulse rifle fire and me removing handfuls of nids at a time. Turn 3 was better, with my deepstrikers (trygon, ymgarls, pod of zoanthropes and pod of devourergaunts) now in position. When the fire warriors started to break and run, I was able to push the tau back a little. Plastikente and I agreed to call the game as we were into lunchtime, leaving me with one extra VP.
Third game was vs Max's necrons - a very different list to Tallerguy's and perhaps not quite so optimised. This one was for kill points. Lots of scrapping for the easiest targets. Highlight here were taking down the doomsday ark in assault with stealers. A careful count up of the kill piles revealed a draw.
My fourth game was probably my worst. This was against chaos space marines, mostly plague marines in rhinos with double daemon princes, a vindicator and a defiler. My game seemed again to consist of handfuls of nids being removed, many failed saves and impossible to kill plague marines. I was left with nothing to claim objectives, just my tyrant and trygon sitting in the centre of the board eating a squad of of CSM, one at each end. I think I barely killed anything apart from the defiler and a handful of marines.
Great day though, enjoyed all my games, excllent organisation from the Triple Helix team, Google5 and Oink. Good to see so many people I remember from last year. Went for a well deserved pint with Killing Time, Hymirl, Andromidius, Benis and Lorizael after.
Looking forward to next year, but perhaps I'll bring the Dark Angels next time. 6th ed has not been kind to the nids. They seem to be a lot slower than I remember.
Whoops, ninja'd 4 times while typing that.
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Picture to sum up the day?
THIS
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I knew Tarrin was manipulating the tourny somehow!!
That cocked dice looks totally sullied!
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Just out of interest, what would the rankings look like if we did, in fact, do away with Battle Points?
Like this:
1 John Burland 42
2 Rob Edmonds (Tallerguy) 41
3 Jai (Lorizael) 34
3 Alex (Killing Time) 34
4 Nick (Erriond) 31
4 Max Temlett (Clover Squirrel) 31
5 Jason Tovey 30
6 Ash Rowe 29
7 Graeme 28
7 Anthony (Premetheus) 28
8 Allan (Hymirl) 27
8 Nath (Cerebus Knight) 27
8 Jonathan Tweed (Plastikente) 27
9 David Bowles 25
10 Benjamin (Benis) 22
11 Ash Keare 21
12 Joseph Lawrence (Koval) 19
12 Luis / Chris 19
13 Denny (Mutley) 18
14 Phil (SeriousCallersOnly) 17
14 Tristan (Unleash Mayhem) 17
15 Steve Walker (Ginzu) 16
16 William 15
17 Phil Harper (Grybstik) 14
18 Hayo (Zilverscale) 13
18 Karl Duncombe 13
19 Matthew (Androminis) 12
19 James Tomlinson 12
20 Scott Mertle 10
21 John (Arquarian) 9
22 Richard Wray 8
23 Gary Bourne 6
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Got some good pictures of my tshirt there. Ooo arrr.
6th ed has not been kind to the nids. They seem to be a lot slower than I remember.
Tell me about it! My fourth opponant was Nids, and while he won the game it was clear his army wasn't performing as well as it should had. His Hormagaunts and Termagants did very little all game because they didn't dare move out of cover because they'd get shot to pieces by my Lootas and had no way of quickly dashing into assault.
You know, until after my Slugga Boyz trekked across the whole map into his deployment zone and then got completely creamed by Shrikes, Hive Guard, Hormagaunts and Gargoyles all piling into them.
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I was the only Ork player there too.
Damn you Changey! Why did you abandon us!
Wouldn't have been bringing Orks anyway..... 8)
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Traitor!
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I didn't have Orks last year dude..... even played you with my Daemons IIRC...
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Just out of interest, what would the rankings look like if we did, in fact, do away with Battle Points?
Like this:
1 John Burland 42
2 Rob Edmonds (Tallerguy) 41
3 Jai (Lorizael) 34
3 Alex (Killing Time) 34
4 Nick (Erriond) 31
4 Max Temlett (Clover Squirrel) 31
5 Jason Tovey 30
6 Ash Rowe 29
7 Graeme 28
7 Anthony (Premetheus) 28
8 Allan (Hymirl) 27
8 Nath (Cerebus Knight) 27
8 Jonathan Tweed (Plastikente) 27
9 David Bowles 25
10 Benjamin (Benis) 22
11 Ash Keare 21
12 Joseph Lawrence (Koval) 19
12 Luis / Chris 19
13 Denny (Mutley) 18
14 Phil (SeriousCallersOnly) 17
14 Tristan (Unleash Mayhem) 17
15 Steve Walker (Ginzu) 16
16 William 15
17 Phil Harper (Grybstik) 14
18 Hayo (Zilverscale) 13
18 Karl Duncombe 13
19 Matthew (Androminis) 12
19 James Tomlinson 12
20 Scott Mertle 10
21 John (Arquarian) 9
22 Richard Wray 8
23 Gary Bourne 6
I like this as I would of finished above Ant (Prometheus) ;-)
perhaps I'll bring the Dark Angels next time. 6th ed has not been kind to the nids. They seem to be a lot slower than I remember.
Nids are fine in 6th. Just need enough stuff in their backfield to distract the opponent while your big bugs move on up
Im thinking what my Nids need a flying Hive Tyrant. How did they do for other Nid players?
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I didn't have Orks last year dude..... even played you with my Daemons IIRC...
Your traitory knows no bounds!
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Just out of interest, what would the rankings look like if we did, in fact, do away with Battle Points?
Like this:
1 John Burland 42
2 Rob Edmonds (Tallerguy) 41
3 Jai (Lorizael) 34
3 Alex (Killing Time) 34
4 Nick (Erriond) 31
4 Max Temlett (Clover Squirrel) 31
5 Jason Tovey 30
6 Ash Rowe 29
7 Graeme 28
7 Anthony (Premetheus) 28
8 Allan (Hymirl) 27
8 Nath (Cerebus Knight) 27
8 Jonathan Tweed (Plastikente) 27
9 David Bowles 25
10 Benjamin (Benis) 22
11 Ash Keare 21
12 Joseph Lawrence (Koval) 19
12 Luis / Chris 19
13 Denny (Mutley) 18
14 Phil (SeriousCallersOnly) 17
14 Tristan (Unleash Mayhem) 17
15 Steve Walker (Ginzu) 16
16 William 15
17 Phil Harper (Grybstik) 14
18 Hayo (Zilverscale) 13
18 Karl Duncombe 13
19 Matthew (Androminis) 12
19 James Tomlinson 12
20 Scott Mertle 10
21 John (Arquarian) 9
22 Richard Wray 8
23 Gary Bourne 6
If I had painted 2 of the 8 Boom Teks the same as the others we would have a draw for the top spot. I lost a point for that. haha. Teach me to be lazy with my painting.
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6 Grey Knight armies? Bloody heck, and all top half.
Counting Chaos Marines, I've noticed fifteen MEQ-players out of 32 participants (seventeen if we're including Necrons as MEQ as well).
Wooh don't tar Necrons with the same brush unless you give my warriors the 3+ amour save frist.
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I can't help but notice how Lorizael put himself ahead of Killing Time on that list even though by any alphabetical order or similar Killing Time ought to be on top. :P
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I can't help but notice how Lorizael put himself ahead of Killing Time on that list even though by any alphabetical order or similar Killing Time ought to be on top. :P
Busted like a 90's boyband...
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See what I did. ;D
Picture to sum up the day?
THIS
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To be honest I think that the scoring system worked really well. It was much less complicated than previous years thanks to the 6th ed rules, it removed the need for extra mission objectives and kept things simple.
I think if you remove the extra points for winning then you reward people who draw against armies with alot of kill points etc for that mission and equally hinder people who win a game convincingly but might only hold a single objective more.
No system is perfect but I think this one was the best so far.
Not sure if I said this before but I was amazed at how many fully painted armies there were. Good effort gents! I hope to see more of the same next year.
Oink can we have a date please? I have to book leave, arrange shifts, paint more models and figure out how to own cheese nights and the earlier the better old chap!
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Dos anyone know if the pics of the tornament are up or where?
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A few people posted some pics a few pages back. I haven't got around to uploading all the pics I took (which in the end wasn't that many!) to a photobucket in order to be able to link them... I mostly take pics of the armies...
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o right thats cool. I also wanted to see how well my army came out with a better camera. thats why i was finding the pics really. I look forward to it next year though and hopfully be stronger.
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I apologise to Tallerguy now for getting stomped in my last game.....
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I apologise to Tallerguy now for getting stomped in my last game.....
haha. I got stomped by the same list dude.