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New Codex in March
« on: February 23, 2018, 03:20:27 PM »
The 5th Sphere expansion is about to kick off. As expected from what we've already seen, five septs and Farsight's crew to base an army around each with different bonuses.
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2018, 09:31:49 PM »
Here's hoping for cheaper/better battlesuits.

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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2018, 10:19:38 PM »
How about functioning Shield Drones?
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2018, 09:35:50 AM »
How about functioning Shield Drones?

YES! Just let them take their invul saves, dammit! Is that so much to ask?

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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2018, 05:02:38 PM »
Be interesting to see the change in fluff as well due to the previous battle books constricting and adjusting prior events. See what's the going standard now.
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2018, 09:11:16 AM »
The faction needs work for sure, especially in points changes on the suits (ie drops). Based on the books out so far, I think Tau players will be very happy. The only 'bad' codex so far, has been Grey Knights, everything else is on the same level.
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2018, 09:42:24 AM »
My wishlist is fairly simple:

1) Make the Riptide worth its points.
2) Let shield drones do their jobs.
3) Make all suits cheaper (except Commanders, which should either stay the same or go up, because Commander Spam is stupid).

I'm sure we'll get an array of handy stratagems, the Sept abilities should be interesting, and the relics/Warlord traits could be fun.

Bonus points if they make the Kroot slightly better than they are now (they're nothing but screens these days--they've lost a lot of their character), and who do I have to eat to get new Vespid models with special weapon options (seriously! They should totally have access to flamers!)?

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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2018, 09:48:55 AM »
From Faeit's Blog (via Advanced Tau Tactica):
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I'm not going to rate it because that would be too subjective. All I can tell is that I have a massive tournament coming in two months and I'm dropping my Custodes and Thousand Sons list to play T'au instead. Also buy Riptides and a couple Hammerheads (with Ion Cannons) if you don't have them.

Burst-or Iontide...?
Either and both. The firepower of both has skyrocketed while the point cost dropped hard. Plus there's two insane stratagems for them.

The change to Saviour Protocols is something similar to what Crisis Bodyguards do and Shadowsun's rule with Stealths suits.

Sorry, that was a bit confusing. Savior Protocols is the same as before, but happens only on a 2+.
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Donít get alarmed though, there are far more upsides that we will get to soon-ish. Iím just waiting for GW to officially announce the codex to get more into details.

The upsides will come from massive point drops on base costs and weaponry, and massive buff to weapons characteristics. Sometimes both, which can make for some crazy stuff. Like a Heavy 18 S6 -1 2dmg gun for 35 points
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2018, 09:57:26 AM »
If the Railhead has "improved" but the railgun stays the same, does that mean the chassis got tougher or something? Or is the submunition now something better than a joke?

If they are still doing mortal wounds to shield drones with Savior Protocols, I will remain peeved.

1 Commander per detachment is fair.

The Markerlight table is lame, but at least my pathfinders will continue to live long and fruitful lives.

No BS improvement is mildly irksome in combo with the markerlight table. Why basic crisis suits can't have BS 3+ is beyond me. Perhaps they'll get themselves a stratagem? I mean, the Tau are supposed to be able to do pinpoint shooting damage, but if you can't realistically boost their BS to *do* that, they're just shooting like guard. 

A massive buff to weapon characteristics sounds very, very nice, though. The gun he's describing there is pretty clearly the Heavy Burst Cannon on the Riptide, though, which isn't exactly new. 

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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2018, 03:16:53 PM »
If they are still doing mortal wounds to shield drones with Savior Protocols, I will remain peeved.

That's one of the important ones. Commander per detachment is fine. There shouldn't be a brass heavy group running around the place unless it's Farsight's Eight. Hopefully some support system bonus to BS otherwise it's back to mass dice rolling.
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #10 on: March 5, 2018, 02:41:48 PM »
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #11 on: March 5, 2018, 02:57:48 PM »
Here are some rumours which are floating in my groups.

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Breacher -1
Strike Team -1
Devilfish -21
Riptide -24
Gun Drone +4
MV Shield Drone +2
Broadside -20
Skyray -19
Hammerhead -17

Aunshi +8
Aunva +20

Airburst -2
Burst Cannon -2
Cluster Rocket -36
Fusion Collider -9
HBC - 20
HRR -28
HYMP -16
Ion Accel -42
Ion Cannon -20
SMS -5
Supremacy Rail gun -19

ATS (Ghostkeel , SS, Riptide) 18
ATS (all others ) +4
Counterfire Defense +5
EWO (Ghostkeel, SS, Riptide) 10
EWO (all others) -3
Multi tracker (all) 10
shield gen (ss) 40
shield gen (all others including ghostkeel now) 8

Seeker Missiles S8 -2 D6 dmg
Cyclic Ion Blaster 3 shots instead of D3 . Overcharge mode.
Cyclic Ion Raker 6 shots instead of D6 . Overcharge mode.
HBC (one profile only now ) 36" 12 shots S6 -1 2dmg
High Intensity Plasma Rifle (new) 30" RF1 6 -4 1
Ion Accelerator ( only normal and overcharge )
-72" Heavy D6 S8 -3 d3dmg
-72" Heavy D6 S9 -3 3dmg (self mortal wound on roll of 1)

Ion Cannon D6 instead of D3 perm for overcharged.
Ion Rifle (overcharged) 2dmg instead of 1
Longshot pulse. On a wound roll of 6, additional 1 Mortal Wound dmg.
Pulse Driver Cannon D6 instead of D3

Dawn Blade +3 S
EWO have additional clause of -1 to hit when being used.
Multitracker now only works on units with 5 or more models.

Markerlight table 3 and 4 swap, 3 is now ignore cover.

Nova-charge weapon profile: HBC Heavy 18 and Accelerator Heavy 6
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #12 on: March 5, 2018, 03:38:18 PM »
I've encountered those same rumors. Lack of change to Crisis teams seems unfortunate. Also saw some example Sept Tenets, but they seemed to be a bit garbled, like having firewarriors shoot less, which seems bad.
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #13 on: March 5, 2018, 04:21:58 PM »
Nothing in there jumping out as being all that great. The focus will still probably be on Commanders and infantry. Nothing about what I've seen so far makes Crisis Suits look much more appealing.

The Ion Accelerator *still* costs way too much.

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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #14 on: March 5, 2018, 07:40:33 PM »
Somewhat concerning though. Restricted commanders *and* no significant decrease in XV8 costs? Seems rather self defeating in the long run. Still, proof in the pudding and all that.
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #15 on: March 5, 2018, 08:27:24 PM »
Points changes aren't the be all end all anyway. Changes to rules, and strategems will make a big difference.

The reveals so far on the community site are very cool.
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #16 on: March 5, 2018, 08:29:41 PM »
Points changes aren't the be all end all anyway.

The faction needs work for sure, especially in points changes on the suits (ie drops).

Okay man.  ;)

Big fan of the T'au sept overwatch rule. Something that should basically be army standard but take what you can get.

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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #17 on: March 5, 2018, 10:03:17 PM »
Points changes aren't the be all end all anyway. Changes to rules, and strategems will make a big difference.

Fair enough. If they do something to XV8s to make them more useful (give them more firepower, make them more survivable), I'll be willing to give them a shot. But right now they just...aren't good. They are wildly overpriced heavy weapons platforms that are very easy to kill.

Commanders, on the other hand, are better than 2 Crisis Suits each. I'll *totally* bring 3 formations to field three of them. So will everybody else. Which is stupid and I don't like it one bit.

From what I'm seeing so far, Broadsides look interesting, Strike Teams look *amazing* (Bork'an sept = Heavy Bolter Ranges on all my dudes! WHAAAT?!), and Skyrays got way, waaay better.

Suits, overall, appear to remain pretty bad. I might be dragging a team of 3 along just to drop in and cause mischief, but the days of them being a mainstay unit in the codex will be over unless there's a lot more to see than we have already.

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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #18 on: March 6, 2018, 10:59:06 AM »
Another Sept
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Some interesting tweaks for the Riptide.
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Re: New Codex in March
« Reply #19 on: March 6, 2018, 12:54:02 PM »
The riptides guns are freaking amazing now.

The HBC being damage 2 is all that weapon needed. Same with the damage for the ion cannon getting a boost. Those two changes alone make the riptide a much more exciting choice.

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