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Night Lord's 2000pts competitive
« on: January 20, 2018, 05:01:07 PM »
I posted a list a while back and one of my response was making my list easier to read. I greatly appreciate the feedback from the forum member. I will not copy and paste this list straight from battle scribe and will try to free hand the list, so please bear with me.

Chaos space marine battalion +3cp

Hq

Chaos Lord w/power fist/plasma pistol/

Dark Apostle w/black mace/plasma pistol/

Elite

Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought w/butcher cannon/

Hellforged Sicaran w/heavy bolter sponsons/

Troops

5 Chaos Space Marines w/plasma gun/combi plasma/

5 Chaos Space Marines w/plasma gun/combi plasma/

5 Chaos Space Marines w/plasma gun/combi plasma/

Fast Attack

5 Raptors w/3 plasma pistols/1 power sword/MoN/icon of despair/

Dedicated Transports

Rhino w/havoc launcher/

Rhino w/havoc launcher/

Rhino w/havoc launcher/

Vanguard formation +1cp

Hq

Chaos Sorcerer w/plasma pistol/

Elite

5 Chaos Terminators w/5 combi plasma/MoN/icon of despair

5 Chaos Terminators w/5 combi plasma/MoN/icon of despair

5 Chosen w/combi bolters/

Dedicated Transports

Rhino w/havoc launcher/

The chaos Lord will be my warlord, I considered taking Lord of terror as my warlod trait, but since he is not dropping into combat with my Terminators I will be going with the Night Lord's Legion Specific warlord trait. I will put my lord in the rhino with the combi bolter chosen. I plan to also put my Sorcerer as well as my dark Apostle in rhino's with my chaos space marine units. The Sorcerer will use warptime in prescience. The Contemptor will use the butcher cannon to apply more leadership modifying shenanigans. The Terminators will deepstrike onto the battlefield with combi plasma. The raptors will deepstrike onto the battlefield to tie up heavy support units. I plan to fight according to the 8th legions doctrine avoid units that are not good matchups for my army and whittle them down with shooting. I have 22 plasma weapons in my army if my count is correct. Thank you all for the advise on my previous posts, and I look forward to your critique of my modified list.

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Re: Night Lord's 2000pts competitive
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2018, 07:27:32 PM »
So, for competitive play, there are a few lists which you will need to be ready for.

1 death guard with hordes of fearless plague zombies and mortars

2 mortarion + Magnus + Knights

3 Altioc eldar. Typically with fireprisms and deep striking Wraith guard

4 Ultramarines parking lot with guilliman.

5. Turn 1 charging genestealer hordes.

A lot of the big lists you will run against have lots of vehicles, or rely on single model units to do a lot of their work.

Typically, I think the nightlords leadership stuff is a gimmick, which is not something you can rely on to pull your army through.

Now, I'm thinking lvo level competitive sort of stuff here. I'm not sure what competitive level you're expecting to see.

There are a couple of things I see lacking in your list.

1. Screening units. These fulfill two roles. 1 they stop you from being charged t1 by a variety of armies, and 2, can absorb smites from smite spam armies.

Chaos have some great synergy with cultists, and if you're not running some sort of cheap screening unit, you might find yourself in a lot of trouble.

2 long ranged firepower. Most of your damage is delt via rapid firing plasma guns, often. By deepstrike. Plasma is great, but a good player will deploy with their screening units in a way that you won't be able to rapid fire anything (but chaff) when you drop in.

You need weapons which can do solid firepower at 24" minimum, and ideally longer ranged. You need to be able to reliably kill a daemon primarch, or a knight in one shooting phase. 

What kind of missions are you expecting to play? Itc?

Now, these are the two biggest flaws I see with the list. Granted, it's a strong mid-table list. Dropping plasma is still strong, but it won't be reliable. There is a reason you don't see lists like this winning major tournaments. 
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Re: Night Lord's 2000pts competitive
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2018, 10:25:54 PM »
I did not run cultists because I didn't think it was with the night Lord's theme, however do you think knocking off 2 rhino's and replacing them with cultists to give myself adequate protection from turn 1 assaults.

Chaos space marine battalion +3cp

Hq

Chaos Lord w/power fist/plasma pistol/

Dark Apostle w/black mace/plasma pistol/

Elite

Hellforged Contemptor Dreadnought w/butcher cannon/

Hellforged Sicaran w/heavy bolter sponsons/

Troops

20 Cultists w/flamer/

20 Cultists w/flamer/

5 Chaos Space Marines w/plasma gun/

Fast Attack

5 Raptors w/3 plasma pistols/1 power sword/MoN/icon of despair/

Dedicated Transports

Rhino w/havoc launcher/

Vanguard formation +1cp

Hq

Chaos Sorcerer w/plasma pistol/

Elite

5 Chaos Terminators w/5 combi plasma/MoN/icon of despair

5 Chaos Terminators w/5 combi plasma/MoN/icon of despair

5 Chosen w/combi bolters/

5 Chosen w/combi bolters/

Dedicated Transports

Rhino w/havoc launcher/

Rhino w/havoc launcher/

Running with this list I would probably setup my dark Apostle and Sorcerer with my cultist to augment them and to help with moral checks.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2018, 10:42:03 PM by BoyWonder »

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Re: Night Lord's 2000pts competitive
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2018, 10:36:12 AM »
I think that is way better. You need expendable screening units to protect your valuable stuff from charges, and also to fill space to disrupt where deepstriking units can deploy.

Now, Theme doesn't equate to competitive, unfortunately.

I still think you desperately need some long ranged anti-tank shooting. You need an ability to kill enemy units at beyond 12", this is especially important for stuff like Magnus, Mortarion, Leviathan Dreads, Swarmlord etc.

I don't think the plasmaguns will cut it. Especially on the units which can't deepstrike, like the chosen and chaos marines.
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Re: Night Lord's 2000pts competitive
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2018, 06:22:26 PM »
Hq

Chaos Lord w/power fist/bolt pistol/

Dark Apostle w/black mace/bolt pistol/

Elite

Hellforged Sicaran w/lascannon sponsons/

Hellforged Sicaran w/lascannon sponsons/

Hellforged Sicaran w/lascannon sponsons/

Troops

12 Cultists w/flamer/

12 Cultists w/flamer/

10 Cultists w/flamer/

Heavy Support

5 havocs w/4 lascannons/

5 havocs w/4 lascannons/

Vanguard formation +1cp

Hq

Dark Apostle

Elite

5 Chaos Terminators w/4 combi bolters/reaper autocannon/

5 Chaos Terminators w/4 combi bolters/reaper autocannon/

5 Chosen w/combi bolters/

Dedicated Transports

Rhino w/havoc launcher
« Last Edit: January 21, 2018, 11:36:51 PM by BoyWonder »

 


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