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Scratch Built Warhound Titan, and side projects.
« on: August 12, 2009, 06:10:02 PM »
This begins my journey of creating my own series of titans, being completely unwilling to dish out hundreds of dollars for each construct.  I plan to start with the smaller Knight Paladin titan, which I will be altering to include a twin linked heavy bolter to its CCW arm, and some kind of cyclone missile launcher mounted on its shoulders.

This week I will be securing my materials, conduct some planning, and then begin construction.  I am speaking with some people who have made these titans previously and I have an amazing 20+ page template for the warhound, so I expect that to come out really well once I get it done.

I will be using mostly plasticard, with various craft store items, probably green stuff, and aactual 40k bits.  I will be putting up pictures as I actually make progress, and I would greatly appreciate suggestions in materials or methods during this project as this is my first major work of this kind.



Current off the top of my head materials list (for both titans):
Coffee straws
SM and IG vehicle bits (hatches, radar dish and antanna, pipes, pintle and missiles)
Mesh gratings
Plasticard (0.09, 0.06, or .04-.05)
Copper/sautering wire
Sprue plastic
Green stuff?
Transformers/other toys for heads/weapons/bits
Cardboard pipes
40k terrain bits, think basilica,
Magnets for limbs and mobility
Pvc tubes, thin and small
Guitar string
Bottle tops (joints)
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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2009, 07:26:59 PM »
Aim high and aim hard, eh?
I have no experience with scratch-building, but I do hope for full pictorial reports, like Brother Argos's scratch guard. Have a look.

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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 07:56:26 PM »
With the template for the Warhound, it shouldnt be too hard as long as I work carefully and with patience.  The Knight Paladin will probably be without a template so it will be much more interesting, but is still pretty simple and requires little enough materials that I wont feel terribly bad if I mess it up.  I may do that one in cardboard or some stock paper before I try it in plasticard to ensure I do it right.



I have also found templates for rhinos, drop pods, and numerous other tanks, titans, and vehicles so I'll be trying the drop pod and rhino before long as well.
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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 08:17:57 PM »
Any chance you would be willing to share that Warhound template?

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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 09:59:05 PM »
Once I get the file sent to me, aye.  The below link is for the titan the template is after (with some alterations to fix some problems of scale).

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58676
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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2009, 12:47:18 AM »
So I've been giving some consideration to the weapons I'll be using for my Knight and Warhound titans.

As I mentioned I'll be making a Knight Paladin Titan, which is equipped with a DCCW (I may choose to switch this to another baslitic weapons instead, which is more practical and easier to model, but I'll consider that later) and is also equipped with a Knight Battle Cannon (Range 72 STR8 AP3 Apocalypse Barrage 2).  I have two older version IG Leman Russ sponson heavy bolters which I will be rigging together into a TL hard point on the DCCW if I have it.  I also am going to add a typhoon missile launcher, which I am going to do in a similar way as how I did it on my land speeder (pictures below if I can manage to attach them), though I will probably add it to a wrack.  I could add the chaos missile launcher, but I like how these look better and this is to be a loyalist titan. 

I've decided for my warhound, for now at least, to equip it with a Vulcan Mega-Bolter, and a Double-Barrelled Turbo-Laser Destructor.


Also, these are the basic forms of the Knight Titan I will be trying to duplicate:
http://www.epicast.com/lostbanned/DSC06338.JPG
http://www.epicast.com/lostbanned/EpicastKnight.jpg





I know straight off that the head for the knight paladin is going to be a challenge to find a good fit.   I'd love to use a necron head, but I need a head near the size of a full necron model.  This leaves me pretty open to finding a proper head.  Regretably I don't think I'll be finding one from 40k bits, so I may actually be stuck looking through toy stores to find some childs robot or some such that has a fitting head by size and appearance.  My green stuff experience is far too rudimentary to probably make a head completely out of green stuff, but I may confer with my main gaming mate who has more experience with it (granted mostly just for cloaks and the like) and maybe we can come up with a fitting duplicate together.  I'll be speaking to him tomorrow about it.  I may also be able to secure some good bits from him as well.  Anyone having suggestions for the head would be highly appreciated for such input!

For now, though, I havent been able to find any templates for the Knight titans, and so I really don't have any precise frame of reference for their dimensions other than pictures, so I may be forced into working on the warhound first (which is sad because the Knight titan would be far easier for me to actually use in non-armageddon games).  We'll see what I can manage in the next few days for templates and planning/techniques for the Knight.
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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2009, 06:33:38 AM »
Parts well - PC ribbon cable makes good coverings ( and saves alot of time making the coils on plasma weapons.

Knight - I'm using a sentanal head on mine.

Warhound - Turbolasers and plasma (blastgun?) looks more promising but I wonder if the shadowsword (stormlord) VMB is the correct size.
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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2009, 12:51:33 PM »
An IG sentinel?  Isnt that considerably too big for a knight titan?  And you're building one?  Are you using any kind of template or just doing it free hand?



Part of the weapon selection is coolness factor.  I may take the plasma blaster over the turbo laser, but I like the vulcan bolter too much not to take.
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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2009, 06:10:24 PM »
Going through my specs I already have a good amount of the materials I need to start this (0.04" and 0.08" plasticard, some tubes, hard and soft mesh grills), but I was too tired to head off to my university to print off the 5 sets of templates I have for my various projects.  Sometime this weekend, or maybe on my way through the city monday I'll be picking those up.

I find myself missing some of the tools that I will probably want.  I need to pick up some actual super glue, maybe a hand saw...but I'm not sure about that.  I've always needed a good clipper for sprue work, which I'll need for this and other projects.  A hot glue gun already seems like a good idea, for putting together 3/4 of a piece, gluing the joints from the inside to reinforce them.  Maybe tomorrow I'll head to some craft stores, home depot, and joanne fabrics (you'd be surprised what bits and materials you can get there!).

By next week I hope to have everything in order to start the feet, and I may start the weapons early because theyre so damned cool..but I suppose I should wait until I have the official forgeworld book so I can properly decide which weapons I want to field.  We shall see.
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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2009, 03:04:02 PM »
An IG sentinel?  Isnt that considerably too big for a knight titan?  And you're building one?  Are you using any kind of template or just doing it free hand?
I don't see why, A knight is a single person titan so the sentinal cockpit is a perfect starter.

As to plans I'm going to wing it if I can ever get a defiler, but its being based on a lucius pattern.
Part of the weapon selection is coolness factor.  I may take the plasma blaster over the turbo laser, but I like the vulcan bolter too much not to take.
Yeh I thought that too which is why someone on warseer did me a favour of taking pics and measurements.
Mine will always be so shocking to show as I have no scratch building fuu :'( :'( :'(
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Re: Scratch Built Titans, Knight and Warhound.
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2009, 10:10:15 PM »
Good point with the sentinel for the head.


Okay, so I'm about to put up my laptop and start cutting template pieces out and starting construction.  I naturally want to start with the head or something like that, but as I only have an exacto knife, wire cutters, and scissors for the plasticard I probably should start with the feet for now.  We'll see!


A side project I had was making a terrain piece for my long time continuing project of an Imperial Outpost (bunkers, watch towers, chemical/fueling area, barracks, comm tower, various barriers and what not).  Instead of making a weapon tarantula I found a perfect piece of plastic that is a semi piramid (top half cut off) and used magnets to mount a 4 rail missile launcher with radar dish and laser targeter.  I need to experiment with the self made rules to find something fair, practical, and balanced.  Suggestions on those would be appreciated.

The project continues.  I havent made my paint order yet but grabbed a pot of ultramarine blue and have been working on stuff.  I've started working on my vindicator and I will get picks of it WIP up soon perhaps, just not sure if there's any real point to WIP pics.  It's all really simple.  So far everything has been base coated ultramarines blue with several watered down coats (some parts in white but doesnt look good so screw it, blue it is but small parts for contrast), and I have toothpick applied gold to all the rivets.  Next will be boltgun metal base coats and detailing on their respective parts. 

Also I was going to make a missile launcher tarantula, but ended up making a semi-piramid missile platform with 4 rails-4 missiles, and have made a rough rule design for them.  It's probably not balanced at this point, but we'll see.  If anyone has ideas on point and rule balance I'd appreciate it.  I know the points balance is pretty low at this point, it's just a start.  Pictures soon.  I went out to get my 'Make It Stone' spraypaint that I use for my terrain concrete pieces, but the two places I went today don't carry it anymore, and I dont want to use another brand unless I have to.  It's finished though and the missile platform is mounted on magnates to give it some rotating ability until i find the lego rotating piece I wanted to use.



Armour 13 all sides (12 seemed impractical, given how immediately people may want to blow the amphetamine parrot out of it)
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25pts Penetrator Missile: Range: 12-120 S: 10 AP: 2 (small blast?)
45pts Firestorm Missile: Range: 12-120 S: 8 AP: 3 Ordnance

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100pt base (120?), at least one missile choice mandatory.

Advanced Targeting (Should I require extra points for this option?): through use of radar targeting equipment, and information relayed form other field units, if the weapon's target is not in LoS the weapon still subtracts -1 from scatter roles, and a total of -2 if a friendly unit has LoS.  These bonuses do not apply when the target is in LoS of the firing platform.
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Re: Scratch Built Warhound Titan, and side projects.
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2009, 11:25:59 PM »
So my initial reaction in starting the feet is that it's a major be-atch to try to bend plasticard no matter the thickness.  After I finish something I'm going to try just cutting the parts, gluing them together, and filling the cracks with goop instead of bending them.
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Re: Scratch Built Warhound Titan, and side projects.
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 12:11:32 AM »
Well with further experimentation tonight it looks like cutting each of the facings of each template piece and then gluing those together is going to be the method by which I assemble this thing.  I then goop in the cracks, (reinforcing between the joints and pieces on the inside of each piece with goop as well), though many parts of this titan are going to look fairly rough.  Its hard to cut precisely with the tools I have.  My reccommendation for those attempting to make these from scratch is Always (obvious but still) measure and cut as precisely as possible.  I may end up using green stuff just to smooth pieces when I have it all built.

Tonights template cutting, and experimentation and formation of the first piece (the simplest, and first of 10 pieces in the first foot, ignoring the pistons I dont have yet) has probably taken me 2-3 hours.  Granted I cut duplicate pieces of template because I was watching a movie and didnt notice :p  Over this weekend I should have the feet at the least completed, and should have pictures of them sometime during that.

I'm also likely this weekend to make my scratch built drop pod, which should be fairly simple, though I have to run and get some balsa for it.  I'll have pics up of those as well when I get a chance.
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Re: Scratch Built Warhound Titan, and side projects.
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2009, 01:07:41 AM »
Sounds interesting so far.
As to the missle do dad, look at the rules for the Imperial manticore.
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Re: Scratch Built Warhound Titan, and side projects.
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2009, 02:17:02 AM »
Fool heat bend!

Plasticard is designed not to bend. So mark you line and use a hot iron to heat the plasticard and then bend. PRESTO!
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2009, 02:47:25 AM »
Aye, I know I can heat bend the stuff, but it's just such an additional pain.  It is something I'd like to experiment with but, I just really have no even close to easy way to do that right now (other than toss it under my super heated laptop...heh).  Using an actual clothing Iron is really not ideal for my work place, but I may try to find the thing and give it a whirl.  Cutting the template pieces into its constituent sidings is working just fine, though I do expect to work in small amounts of modeling clay along the cracks to even it all out, especially sense the cutting and marking isnt precise enough anyway so it's all pretty damn rough, but the shape is there so it can be pulled into place with modeling clay/green stuff.

I havent seen the rules for the manticore, but I plan on getting the imperial armour so I can have the official, as it were, rules for the warhound anyway.

Half of one foot is done.  Will get both feet done this weekend.
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Re: Scratch Built Warhound Titan, and side projects.
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2009, 04:37:51 AM »
Just wondering, are you using my template? Cause I am tempted to use it too, and I would like to see how it is working :D
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2009, 01:24:21 PM »
I am using the only one I have seen online, which I have seen through many sources.  It is supposedly the one from a scratch built WIP thread on warseer, which I think I linked at the beginning of this thread.  I know a lot of people have done it since, and it seems to be working well so far, but I'll have to get more than the feet done to know.  With the plasticard I already have I should be able to get the legs done and a good part of the torso, so I should be able to answer that fairly well in the next week or two. 

I have a material list together for my pvc pipes and a few other things, which I will probably try to get tomorrow.  Some things I need to order online, but I have a source for that, I just havent done it yet.

It was suggested that I use 0.05-6" plasticard for the detailwork, and 0.09" for the main body.  I've been using 0.04" for the feet so far and I think this is a good thickness, though 0.05-6 may have been better probably, I just didnt have any of it.  Working with 0.09 because of its thickness makes me kinda go meehhh, because if 0.04 is a be-atch to work with, 0.09 is going to be much worse, but I should consider doing this for maybe the leg armour, and the entire upper body minus head and detailing.  I think I'll have to try heat bending for these pieces, theyre too thick to glue together the constituent parts without a lot more precision than I've been working with.  The templates weren't meant for the methods I'm using.  We shall see, I will likely try out and practice heat bending soon.


I managed to find the rules and points for the manticore missile system, but I find it to be over powered, so I'm going to stick to my own rules, albeit probably with some tweaking.
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Re: Scratch Built Warhound Titan, and side projects.
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2009, 06:15:19 PM »
Have you thought about using small balls, (Gold balls, sqaush balls) as joints. It would probably allow DYNAMIC POSING! :D
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2009, 07:49:58 PM »
I havent.  I don't really have enough experience to go that far off template yet, and am not sure how I'd do that exactly.  Can you describe the method by which I would implement these?
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