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Offline Gaius Julius

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Anti Eldar tactics
« on: June 19, 2007, 04:53:55 PM »
hey i collect Dark Angels and i always seem to lose to eldar :-[ :-[ :-[ or at least the only eldar player in my local GW his army is the cheese and i mean i can see it swimming in cheedar here...
anyway if you want to see my list its on my other post and while your there help me.
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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2007, 05:03:01 PM »
What does his army list look like?

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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2007, 05:11:07 PM »
Too many aspect warriors two Fire Prisms a wraithlord an Avatar a Vyper Jetbike mounted Autarch ect ect  oh and two Guardian squad with uber cheesy 5+ cover save
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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2007, 07:26:26 PM »
Too many aspect warriors two Fire Prisms a wraithlord an Avatar a Vyper Jetbike mounted Autarch ect ect  oh and two Guardian squad with uber cheesy 5+ cover save

Hmmm, that does not sound too bad- tough but not impossible, maybe you could let us know what aspect squads he has? How you go about tackling eldar depends a great deal on the Aspect warriors.

Some pointers for generally dealing with each unit:
Fire Prisms: if these have holofields, don't bother trying to destroy them, just shoot until they are shaken.
The jetbike autarch: if you can charge him with anything you will probably win because he will only be s3. He also cannot escape combat unless he is with shining spears.
The wraithlord: very vulnerable to assault cannon fire or powerfists and very slow moving
guardians: I am sorry, but a 5+ cover save is not that good. Guardians drop like flies to bolter fire (or heavy bolters).
The avatar: a bit of a pain, takes a lot of pain before going down. No easy solutions...

We can give better advice if you can give us more details of your list ahd his.

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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2007, 08:52:22 PM »
Oh no, not another cheesey Eldar player. Heaven forbid that. Does everyone at your club think his Eldar are cheesey as well ?

Do you guys all gang up on him, and yell Cheese, as soon as he starts sitting up his models ?

If that is happening, you probably won't be playing against that guy again.


The only problem that really exists, is the mentality that all Eldar armies are cheese. Thats the real problem.

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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2007, 10:14:20 PM »
Whirlwinds and heavy bolters will give him headaches.  tornados are also good against just about anything an eldar player can put forth.  Then the occasional missle launcher ofr the wraithlord and avatar.

The best way to deal with a pair of prisms is to shoot one until you get a single glancing hit.  It can no longer fire and can no longer do the combined shot.  Do this each turn and they are not so dangerous.
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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 07:17:12 AM »
No we do not all gang up on him mr eldar player. we are better than that. Also i play him all the time he insults my dark angles i insult his army but only in the spirit of banter sheesh.
Dire avengers, fire dragons, Howling Banshees, Striking scorpions. the dammed Autarch has a shining spear the s6 power weapon.  Also this dude is incredibly lucky and the 5+ cover save makes a difference when it comes to the fact that they should already be dead. Like i said i have already posted my army list on a thread.
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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 09:51:17 AM »
i say take lots of heavy bolters and a few rocket launchers. the heavy bolters will mow down guardians and rocket launchers will take down wraithlords and vechiles. also the holy dread in a drop pod will be good.
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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2007, 09:59:01 AM »
Also this dude is incredibly lucky and the 5+ cover save makes a difference when it comes to the fact that they should already be dead.

   Then the problem is not cheese but luck (or bad luck if you want). Heck, the last 2 games I played against DA, my opponent killed my Wraithguard and Wraithlords with mainly Heavy Bolters, do you realise what THAT does to a man's morale?

   So my advice is: take Heavy Bolters, Asscans, Whirlwind, Pred Destructors. If my Iyanden force can be killed by theses, your friend's T3 army SHOULD die too. (If he saves it all, pm me where he lives so that I can get him and drain him of his luck).
   For Prism and WL, as already stated: glance the Prism and the WL isn't that tough. I field 2 and they do die, he field 1.
   For the Avatar, there's no easy solution. My take is to ignore him as he's very slow. Charge the Autarch to deny him his Laser Lance 2X STR. Or shoot him: he's as tough as 3 Marines, I don't see why he shouldn't die.

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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2007, 11:52:08 AM »
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No we do not all gang up on him mr eldar player. we are better than that. Also i play him all the time he insults my dark angles i insult his army but only in the spirit of banter sheesh.
Dire avengers, fire dragons, Howling Banshees, Striking scorpions. the dammed Autarch has a shining spear the s6 power weapon.  Also this dude is incredibly lucky and the 5+ cover save makes a difference when it comes to the fact that they should already be dead. Like i said i have already posted my army list on a thread.

Insulting each others' armies is good, makes you laugh and gets the whole thing off with a laugh or two....keep it up. ;D

Ok, one at a time.

If he has an Autarch and an Avatar, then he has no Farseer.  This is good for you as you will not be facing doom, mindwar or eldritch Storm.  He will not be able to cast guide or fortune upon himself, and more importantly, his Avatar......without fortune, Avatars die easily mate.

Marines ought to beat DA, period.  You have 6" more range with bolters and close up, you will win.  Str3, toughness3 and save of 4+ is not good.

Firedragons are only good as offensive transported units.  Take down the transport and the Dragons are useless.  When they get out, shoot them up or c.c. them.....

Banshees have toughness3, save of 4+......shoot em.....again, this may require shooting-up a transport.

Scorps are a little more tricky since they do not need a transport and can infiltrate.  But they have to leave cover eventually, and when they do hit em with guns, then assault.

Shining Spear Autarchs have no hit and run unless they are accompanied by the exarch....that means he is hitting with a str of 3 and no power weapon ability in subsequent rounds.....he will be tied into the combat too and ought to die by the second round of an assault.  If he is part of a Spears unit with an Exarch, well, that's tough.  Thay'll hit really hard and then bugger off and do it all over again.....but remember, even on bikes, they are only tougness4, save 3+....just like killing marines......

Prisms are merely AV12.......hit them about 4 or 5 times and you will acheive a result.  Even if the result is only shaken, then that's good because they are not shooting, and shooting is what they are there for.  A single prism versus marines is not too handy, they need to combine beams to gain killing AP.....so a single shaken result buys you time and gets you closer to the win.
Your marines advance into the teeth of the Prism fire, with nothing but singed paint on their ceramite....

Combining shooting helps against Eldar too....we like to pick our fights and love spaced-out units and formations.  If you keep some of them together, they will deter open assault, and what firepower you own will be massed.

Hope some of that helps,

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Re: Anti Eldar tactics
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2007, 04:35:39 PM »
Helps dude that was great thank you very much  ;D ;D ;D 8)
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