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Title: 1500 pts mechdar-ish list discution
Post by: Grizzlykin on May 3, 2018, 01:48:54 PM
Good evening everyone,


Grizzlykin coming here today with a list of kinda mechdar things using nearly every mechish thing in my army box ^^.

The point of this thread is mainly discussing tactic to use if you have suggestion because I have no experience running such a list. And if you guy's see massive holes in the list.

For a reference the only véhicule I did not use from my collection would be 2 Walker.

I scraped them in favor of the falcon and more avenger. But I changed one of my farseer to a warlock with jinx because I hate invul save, like really hate them. I lost games to invul save.

I'm expecting to be fighting custodes, maybe.

One more thing, I am torn about the is the craftworld attribute, I like to run a biel tan attribute usually but here it would be be more effective to play some Iyanden. So it's my dilemma, I like my shurican rerols with my poor rolling but here, more hp for each profile would be better.


Let's get to the list



++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [79 PL, 1496pts] ++


+ HQ +

Farseer : Guide, Doom, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear

Warlock : Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear

+ Troops +

Dire Avengers
. 9x Dire Avenger: 9x Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Two Avenger Shuriken Catapults

Rangers : 5x Ranger

Rangers : 5x Ranger

+ Elites +

Fire Dragons :
. 4x Fire Dragon: 4x Fusion Gun
. Fire Dragon Exarch: Firepike

+ Fast Attack +

Vypers ;
. Vyper: Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon
. Vyper: Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Falcon : Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones

Fire Prism : Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones

Support Weapons :
. Support Weapon: Shadow Weaver
. Support Weapon: Shadow Weaver
. Support Weapon: Shadow Weaver

+ Flyer +

Crimson Hunter Exarch : Two Bright Lances

+ Dedicated Transport +

Wave Serpent : Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Twin Shuriken Cannon

++ Total: [79 PL, 1496pts] ++

Tactic wise, team wise, avenger into serpent with the hq, and dragon in falcon the two working as a tag team.

Crimson hunter as a supporter for anti tank, the support weapon for overall field coverage etc, I fill this list is rather self explanatory. Most things are kitted for a specific purpose.

And regarding the question of vyper, no I'm not taking them out of the list, vyper are a unit I love (esthetic wise) so they are staying here no matter what :D




So guy's? Your opinions?
Title: Re: 1500 pts mechdar-ish list discution
Post by: Blazinghand on May 3, 2018, 03:53:07 PM
HQs look good. Might be worth sparing some points to swap the Warlock for a Spiritseer or Warlock Skyrunner, both of whom are only marginally more expensive than a Warlock while providing significant benefits.

A 10-elf unit of Dire Avengers is a fine choice, but unless you're stacking buffs on the unit or using stratagems you're probably better off running as 2x5 Dire Avengers. This means you get 2 Exarchs, each of which is better in cc and more durable than a regular dire avenger, for free; if you arm each of the 2 Exarchs with 2 shuriken catapults, the total price for the 2 units is 128 (compared to your current 124) and is substantially more durable and better damage output.

Rangers look fine.

Fire Dragons look good.

I'd consider swapping the Vypers for Windrider Jetbikes, which can also carry Shuriken Cannons but benefit from Battle Focus. For the cost of your two Vypers, you can get 5 Windriders, which is less durable but more damage output and faster. Alternatively, you could drop down to 4 Windriders, get the same damage output, and use the spare points elsewhere; or run 4 Shining Spears, who have worse range but stronger shooting and incredible assault.

In my opinion. the Falcon should always run with a Bright Lance or Aeldari Missile Launcher. The advantage it has over other Eldar weapon platforms is that it has 3 hardpoints, one of which is held by the very-good Pulse Laser, one of which can hold any normal Eldar Heavy Weapon, and one of which can hold a Shuriken Cannon. If you want to mass Shuriken Cannons, there are better ways.

The Fire Prism looks solid. If you can swap the Falcon turret for a Fire Prism turret, running 2 together will give you great damage output.

I'm not an enormous fan of support weapons,  but the shadow weavers seem like they could stay safe while contributing. Definitely better than vibrocannons and easier to use than d-cannons.

CH Ex looks good

Wave Serp looks solid.

tbh I kinda think you should consider the following transport options:

5 DAs, 5 Fire Dragons, HQs -> Wave Serpent
5 DAs -> Falcon

the reason for this is that the Wave Serpent is cheaper and sturdier than the Falcon, so it should hold the valuable Fire Dragons, and the dire avengers will be a good escort and will kill whatever is inside the transport that the FDs kill.

The Falcon is high firepower, expensive and more fragile, so give it a less valuable unit, rather than putting all your eggs in one basket.
Title: Re: 1500 pts mechdar-ish list discution
Post by: Grizzlykin on May 3, 2018, 05:51:53 PM
Thanks blaze for the input, I did think about the splitting of the da squad but as I was in a hurry I skipped over it.

One option I have in mind now is taking the two squad of da separate, take away one ranger squad, and use the spared point to by bright Lance on the falcon and maybe some other thing aswell.

I don't have any wind rider and no shinning spear either, would have taken them if I had any.

I don't have any spirit sear either so it's going to have to wait for me to either by or convert a model some how.

Well thanks for the input, I'm gonna tweek the list a bit. ^^
Title: Re: 1500 pts mechdar-ish list discution
Post by: Blazinghand on May 3, 2018, 06:13:18 PM
Splitting the DA squad into 2x5 (Exarchs with 2 cats each) and dropping a ranger squad to pay for a bright lance on the Falcon might be a good choice. If you end up with more spare points, CTMs on the Falcon + Fire Prism might help them move around a bit while keeping some firepower
Title: Re: 1500 pts mechdar-ish list discution
Post by: Grizzlykin on May 4, 2018, 09:28:56 AM
Improved list.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Aeldari - Craftworlds) [79 PL, 1496pts] ++


+ HQ +

Farseer : Guide, Doom, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear

Warlock : Protect/Jinx, Shuriken Pistol, Singing Spear

+ Troops +

Dire Avengers
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Two Avenger Shuriken Catapults

Dire Avengers
. 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult
. Dire Avenger Exarch: Two Avenger Shuriken Catapults

Rangers : 8x Ranger

+ Elites +

Fire Dragons :
. 4x Fire Dragon: 4x Fusion Gun
. Fire Dragon Exarch: Firepike

+ Fast Attack +

Vypers ;
. Vyper: Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon
. Vyper: Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon

+ Heavy Support +

Falcon : Bright lance, Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Cristal targeting matrix

Fire Prism : Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Cristal targeting matrix

Support Weapons :
. Support Weapon: Shadow Weaver
. Support Weapon: Shadow Weaver
. Support Weapon: Shadow Weaver

+ Flyer +

Crimson Hunter Exarch : Two Bright Lances

+ Dedicated Transport +

Wave Serpent : Shuriken Cannon, Spirit Stones, Twin Shuriken Cannon

++ Total: [79 PL, 1496pts] ++



Strategie do not change much just with the double basket thing blazing hand suggested.

I will try to do a bat rep about the game coming up then ^^