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Title: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Shas'Oink on April 29, 2008, 08:22:34 AM
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RESULTS NOW IN! (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=161324.msg2037771#msg2037771)

If you missed it, you missed out. But follow the link for the results of the 7th 40kOnline Tournament (in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers Club).

The link will take you to page 27 of this thread... there are also pictures from that point onwards!






No sooner has the dust settled from the last outing that I get awoken in the depths of night by the screams of gamers across the land demanding another chance to lose to me.


When/where is it?:
so, the 7th tournament will be held on:

Saturday 16th August

There are 30 gamer places. ONLY 7 PLACES ARE LEFT


Again, a big thanks to the bracknell forest gamers club for allowing us to use their venue.

http://www.bfgclub.org.uk/
Address and direction on website


What time?:
we are going to be looking for an early start... the earlier we start, the more games we will get! Hopefully this time we will won't have to vacate as early as last time so that we can get in an additional game. Keep your eyes peeled here for more details.

so provisionally:

9:00am - 6:00pm.

Dan, Nick let me know what you guys think for this...


How much?:
Tickets will be available to pre-buy.

Ticket price is now £9.
You may still pay in advance in order to secure your place (through BFG). tickets will be available to buy on the day, but will operate on a first come first serve basis. This is more an incentive to buy in advance than anything else.  More info on this method of payment below.

If for any reason you have to cancel before the event then you will lose £3 to go to the fees.

PM / email Dan (BFG club) direct with how you want to pay and he will give you the specific details. This is for security.

email Macvurrich@hotmail.com or 40kolf_gt@bfgclub.org.uk


Your options for payment include:

Paypal (though we ask that you add a small amount to cover what Paypal takes - i think it's something like 25pence).
Cheque
Direct transfer
or of course you can pay in CASH


What will you need?:


The games:
we will hopefully get 4x 1500pt games in over the day.

the format for these is up for debate in this thread.

A final tournament pack will be available detailing all the games and rules.


The armies:

please look through the above, its all subject to change according to our concensus.

IMPORTANT NOTE - we will be using the NEW 5th Edition 40k rules at this tournament.

the prizes:
as before there are no real prizes up for grabs some nice certificates!

Gold
Silver
Bronze

Best Army

if we want some more then put forward your ideas!!

the winner will be decided throughout the course of the tournament... the scoring of which will be decided too... so put your ideas forward!


Nearest Hotels

 The Grange Hotel
Charles Sq, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 1DF, UK 01344 474000

 Hilton Hotel
Bagshot Rd, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 0QJ, UK 01344 424 801

 Premier Travel Inn
Wokingham Rd, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG42 1NA, UK 0870 197 7036


Whos coming?
Dan!
Evil_Toast - Tau
DarkFex [non 40KO member]
oink
Jonik - guard
Chuckles
Verfeld - warboss changeyname
Premethus
vrykolakas_666 (+Craig!?)
Erriond
gOOgle
Nny
SpikyGrint(non 40KO Memeber]
gonzon
Teg
MacV
Hawaiian Zombie
Hymril (but don't worry, apparently he's nicer in meatspace than in cyberspace  :P)
Josh Haringman
Morgan Haringman
Big Ben
evilmonkey
-Bill-



What I've forgotten:

lots probably...
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on April 29, 2008, 10:05:02 AM
are we using the same scoring system as last time?
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on April 29, 2008, 10:43:53 AM
well im not sure if we can - there are lots of things that might be dependant upon the new 40k rules - perhaps there will be an in built method that we can use for our scoring!? its also why we cant decide on what missions we will be using - and also what points value game to play... for instance we might find the new rules allow you to play a 2000pt game in the time a current 1500pt game takes!?
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on April 29, 2008, 11:31:16 AM
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What will you need?:

a 1500pt army (unless we decide otherwise but this seems to be the best option)
your army list
dice
measuring tape
glue (for field repairs)
objective markers (for missions)
money for lunch / packed lunch
a good sense of humour!

An army and the rulebook might help ;) heheheh


Cool, (Unless a studio contacts be and demands that the only time I can do experiance with them is the 16th, and only the 16th, and even then I might consider not going to them) I'm coming!

On a side note, hee hee oink has no bits!


Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on April 29, 2008, 12:04:34 PM
Hall is booked for 8 open to 19 kicked out in the cold  so playing from 9 - 19 give us 10 hours
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on April 29, 2008, 12:15:27 PM
well im not sure if we can - there are lots of things that might be dependant upon the new 40k rules - perhaps there will be an in built method that we can use for our scoring!? its also why we cant decide on what missions we will be using - and also what points value game to play... for instance we might find the new rules allow you to play a 2000pt game in the time a current 1500pt game takes!?

yea thats a good point lol. i hope there not to many changes in 5th ed. i still dont know all the rules for 4th lol
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on April 29, 2008, 12:16:05 PM
that should give us enough time for a game or two.  ;)

i think erriond and I should chat with you about how we can go about this tourney - if you guys would prefer pre-booking tickets and how we might do this - and how viable it is (after all, some of our younger gamers might not be able to send money through the interweb)
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on April 29, 2008, 02:43:50 PM
Why do we need to pre-book? :S
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on April 29, 2008, 03:05:23 PM
As per last time I will place myself on the maybe list . Will have to see the work situation closer to the time before I can safely commit to this . 
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on April 29, 2008, 03:41:32 PM
Why do we need to pre-book? :S

we might.

the thing is that there are insurance issues when it comes to a certain number of people. but beyond this we also have to consider how much table space we have - and if warranted by the volume of people, if we need to try to get out the second hall... i think at this stage in time we wont need to worry about it because the numbers just arent that high...

till now we have always had people dropping out last minute - which is a little frustrating / annoying, but cant always be helped - though pre booking tickets will reduce this a lot. the next thing is that we dont want to be left in a situation where too many people arrive - and we find we dont have enough space for everyone! This might be an issue if MacVurrich gets one of our events promoted in a White Dwarf... which is a future possibility as part of the GCN network.
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on April 29, 2008, 04:00:12 PM
Why do we need to pre-book? :S

we might.

the thing is that there are insurance issues when it comes to a certain number of people. but beyond this we also have to consider how much table space we have - and if warranted by the volume of people, if we need to try to get out the second hall... i think at this stage in time we wont need to worry about it because the numbers just arent that high...

till now we have always had people dropping out last minute - which is a little frustrating / annoying, but cant always be helped - though pre booking tickets will reduce this a lot. the next thing is that we dont want to be left in a situation where too many people arrive - and we find we dont have enough space for everyone! This might be an issue if MacVurrich gets one of our events promoted in a White Dwarf... which is a future possibility as part of the GCN network.

Hmmm.. I can kinda see. When it wasn't as big there was always a table or two left over. Was it particularly busy last time?

As for advertising it... do we get anything out of it being bigger? I was under the impression there were no profits from it. And making it bigger, with 3 games (4 max) isn't exactly a great thing...
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on April 29, 2008, 04:59:07 PM
well thats something that we have to consider too... last time, there was one table not used.
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on April 29, 2008, 09:45:51 PM
I thought the pre-booking thing was so as to streamline all the score tabulation at the end of the thing?
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on April 30, 2008, 05:26:43 AM
well, that too - it means the first game can be set and ready as soon as everyone arrives!
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: small_furry_spider on April 30, 2008, 05:46:36 AM
Sorry, you will have to count me out of this one- I will be on holiday in Wales (and I doubt that my wife would like me to drive back for it :) ). Sorry if any of you guys wanted a rematch, but I will try and make the 8th tournament....
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 40kfomPodmaster on April 30, 2008, 06:27:49 AM
Right.

I got excited about the 5th tournament, but realised about a month beforehand I couldn't go (clashing with holidays etc)

I got OBSCENELY excited about the last one, even to the point of booking train travel and accomodation, only to have a financial black hole open up beneath my world (large unexpected bills & some nasty other personal sh1t...don't ask). This resulted in most of my gaming stuff being sold bar my faithful Space Wolves (and only 500points of them are painted!!)...mass panic to liquify assets!

So...I really want to come, but I refuse to get excited this time. I will watch this space, and let you guys know if I can.
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on April 30, 2008, 11:18:35 AM
hold on a second... who in their right mind goes DOESN'T go on holiday to wales??  :P
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: small_furry_spider on April 30, 2008, 12:59:33 PM
hold on a second... who in their right mind goes DOESN'T go on holiday to wales??  :P

Well, we went to Barcelona in April for a couple of weeks, so this is our cheap second holiday as my grandparents own a second home there- free accommodation and cheap travel certainly have more weight than the wonders of Welsh weather  :P
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on April 30, 2008, 03:17:54 PM
i went to northern wales a few years ago, it rather nice over there. some nice castles :)
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on April 30, 2008, 05:34:10 PM
Cardiff is regularly hot and sunnier than england!  :P It makes the sheep far more agreeable to my advances.




 :P
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 1, 2008, 06:56:54 AM
Going on a long shot here, as we've not even got the 7th started yet but

do we want to set a definate calander date for future 40KOLF-GT's

Easter holiday
Summer Holiday
(we've also been informed that can get Bank Holidays if needed )
If we want to go that route then BFG can add it into the permanent event list

i.e 3rd Sat Feb - Winds of War
3rd Sat Mar - Winds of Magic
IRC 19th April 2009 - Easter 40KOLF-GT (8th)
3rd Sat Aug - Summer 40KOLF-GT
3rr Sat Oct - Escalation

I know not everyone has that far a calander booked or even considered but if we fit it as a regular slot ?

Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 1, 2008, 07:13:10 AM
that would be a good idea, setting the date very early on, then people are more likely going to be able to attend them.
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on May 2, 2008, 09:33:39 AM
 Ok just to clarify this is the idea of what we want to do the fine details are yet to be discussed/confirmed by you guys who run 40k online.

Hi guys yeah the pre-booking thing as mentioned is to make sure we are full thus saving you guys money, streamlining the admin process on the day (giving more time for games) but also quite importantly (for us as a club) it will mean we have money in the bank ahead of the day guaranteed.

The idea is to get people pre booked 4 weeks in advance at the latest with deposit, then fully paid up 2 weeks before if people cant stretch to paying the amount in one go. This way if anyone pulls out/doesn't show they have already paid, but more importantly means we have time to fill the slots before the day from other sources. (Also if the slot is filled after someone pulls out and they have a good reason ie. last minute work, etc... a refund minus the deposit will be given.)

One week on Monday we will know exactly how many people we can fit at an event and will post on here to let you know.

As with regards to being able to pay, we will probably accept checks, online transfers and Pay Pal (Only from bank accounts not credit or debit cards)

So just leaves me to say I’m looking forward to playing in your tournament again maybe even this time with my own models fully painted :-)
 
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 2, 2008, 10:38:45 AM
just to clarify a couple of things
"premetheus" is BFG club offical and our communications guy  ;D

also re the money in the bank
in the old place we could pay in arreas and thus book the place and pay once every one had paid using the money collected

in our new premises we need to pay up front in full, which is a pain abit but means that club funds are used, this is not a moan but just a post to make it clear where not trying ot be akward or money grabbing  ;D
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on May 2, 2008, 10:50:59 AM
MacVurrich to the rescue... thanks Dan for the clarification :-)
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 2, 2008, 03:13:33 PM
dirty money grabbers... erm... i mean... they bring up a good point that we shouldnt have to rely on the Bracknell Forest Gamers Club to financially support the events. Im okay with a pre book system and at the end of the day its really the best way forward as it has lots of advantages for everyone.

Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 2, 2008, 05:21:59 PM
please don't think that's it a case that we have to finance it
it's just a case that in the old hall we could pay afterward this time we pay up front, all it means is that we have to divert/ allocate some clubs funds to one side for a couple of months or so
not a main problem just mean Premetheus goes with out his Dr Peppers for a couple of weeks :)
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 3, 2008, 12:51:43 AM
not a main problem just mean Premetheus goes with out his Dr Peppers for a couple of weeks :)

we can have that, dr pepper is the giver of life :D
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Sergant Alexi on May 4, 2008, 06:51:32 AM
If I can get back into the hobby I will be there!  Need to think up an army and buy the parts (it will be guard)
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 4, 2008, 08:24:44 AM
If I can get back into the hobby I will be there!  Need to think up an army and buy the parts (it will be guard)

Hooray for Guard!  :D
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on May 4, 2008, 08:49:24 AM
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Cardiff is regularly hot and sunnier than england!  :P It makes the sheep far more agreeable to my advances.

This made me burst out laughing.

And Jonik is quite right, Cardiff has been very sunny recently.

Back to business, everything sounds good to me. The only thing I worry about this pre-booking system is a lot of the people we get to play are friends of forumers and they would be much less inclined to outright agree to play as they would want to wait for their friends decision, and if those friends can't make their mind up they don't want to go, etc. And they never really are sure who is and who isn't coming until the night before...

But, hey, we'll see what happens!
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 4, 2008, 09:15:03 AM
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Cardiff is regularly hot and sunnier than england!  :P It makes the sheep far more agreeable to my advances.

This made me burst out laughing.


Damn... I forgot you had just become a mod... Spotted your green name everywhere yet? (instead of black!)

Quote
And Jonik is quite right, Cardiff has been very sunny recently.

Was last year too - cardiff actually had a hot and sunny summer for a few weeks in June, unlike most other places.

Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 4, 2008, 10:51:48 AM
If I can get back into the hobby I will be there!  Need to think up an army and buy the parts (it will be guard)

this may give you some ideas
http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139986
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on May 4, 2008, 09:38:32 PM
Incidentally, is there to be a pub crawl the night before? Because if so I will be there with extreme prejudice
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on May 6, 2008, 09:55:58 AM
Hi yeah I get the friends of friends thing the idea hopefully that by pre booking they will have to make their minds up earlier (Pull their finger out) as will fill the extra spots locally (Hopefully) in last two weeks. Also means we dont have to go uh sorry guys you all need the chip in an extra £3 because BOB Steve and.... didn't turn up
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 8, 2008, 06:15:00 AM
seems fair enough to me, can we pay via paypal?
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on May 8, 2008, 06:50:36 AM
Preferably we would like cheque or direct bank transfer or cash. As paypal charges 15p each transaction + 25p if withdrawals are under £40. But paypal will be a lst option if necessary.
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 8, 2008, 06:51:37 AM
the club is happy to accept pay pal
though as it's the 40KOLFT committee event they would need to say yeah  or neh

If it's ok then there's a link on the club front page

At the end of the day technically the 40KOLFT Com are the one who book the hall with BFG, BFG provide the facilites and gear, it up to 40KOLFT Com to get the money in and pay
how the won't to PAY BFG is up to them

Sorry to be akward but can we get back to the event as though I'm an accountant and money is my thing I do feel that we are wandering away from the event and getting bogged down in the grubby money side :)

best thing to do is as it's only 100 days to go let's have a list of those planning
once Errionds got the pack sorted we can post on the club site
then those who have said initail yeah can "Book" (and pay either in full or deposit)
later on nearer the day we can get the other stuff done :)
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on May 8, 2008, 06:54:00 AM
Ha what are the chances of that aye....both posting at same time
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 8, 2008, 07:11:14 AM
ok well i definatly coming again and a few of my freinds may be coming (just waiting for them to respond)

also coould there be a certificate for last place  ;D
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 8, 2008, 07:32:14 AM
expectaion running high :)

Errions was going to get  spoon last time but we can arrange a certi by all means
Shall we have already typed with your name on it ?  :P
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 8, 2008, 07:45:32 AM
Errions was going to get  spoon last time but we can arrange a certi by all means
Shall we have already typed with your name on it ?  :P

lol i should do betta this time 'fingers crossed' :)

are we having grudge matches? i want revenge on oink :D
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 8, 2008, 08:06:33 AM
100 days huh? Should be plenty of time to paint 40 odd stormtroopers, and 5 odd tanks. Then I've got the choice of 4500pts of painted guard...! I've pretty much sorted out a list that I'm using atm anyway, but no doubt 5th ed will cause me to change it...

And THANK GOD that IAA is for normal 40k too. I didn't know that.. and now I have a 7" blast template in my list :D i might even have to buy another one ;)


Anyway, at least my army will be painted - so much about winning... (top third would be nice for once ;))

And who do I have to bribe to not play against necrons this time round? Dark eldar I think I might be able to manage this time... necrons guard have very little chance, i have none... ::)

Looking forward to it though!!
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on May 8, 2008, 11:48:25 AM
Hey all,

Sorry for not posting in ages, busy busy busy with work at the moment.

I am support of paying in advance as it makes life so much easier for all. It also means we can set a price and stick to it rather than saying it will be roughtly this or that and leaving it to the last moment. Rather than a vote or anything does anyone have any particular objections?

I think the best way to do it is to pay the ticket amount and then if you need a refund (due to not being able to attend) at a later date for any reason then it will be availible although past a particular date (that we will set) you may lose a small amount (half?) to cover the costs. There will be a finite number of "Tickets" and it will be first come first served.

Mac and premetheus is that ok? I would have emailed you guys but I would rather this was more transparent so that everyone can see our dicussion and be involved as its a group choice. Once we have decided something then we can set up the payment infomation and I will circulate it to everyone on the email and the PM list.

Comments please everyone!

Erriond
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 8, 2008, 12:20:35 PM
Hi Erriond
as I posted earlier
the event is yours we supply the facilities , unfortunately we have to charge as we're not a RICH club :) we charge the 40KOFLT and how you collect it is up to you.

At the same time if you want us to collect the cash and run the "finance" admin that's fine as both Erriond and gOOgle are BFG members we can do that.

You state how it's done and we will endeavour to facilitate. All we (I as treasurer) state is the cost of the hall :)

If your going to pay up front can I get those who do in which ever form Paypal, cheque, Tradable goods (Blondes, Diamonds, 1st Son etc  :P ) to email in advance so that we can be aware
40kofl-gt@bfgclub.org.uk

cheers
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on May 8, 2008, 02:16:32 PM
I would rather the club dealt with finances as an organisation than one of us as individuals taking the money. That was it is more reliable and trustworthy, not to say I don't trust any of our devoted members but it complication best avoided.

What is the price of the hall Mac? Did you guys work out how many we can fit in it?

Erriond
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on May 9, 2008, 05:41:20 AM
Hi Erriond i sent you a copy of mine and Nicks e-mail conversation, here is a look at the general idea...

As for cost we still need to work out the exact amount
of tables we can fit in comfortably (Whcih will be done this monday)
 so once we have done this we will have an idea of max numbers, if we go with 20 being the amount we want minimum, then we would charge £7 per head which would cover the £140
cost. Any over that and its a bonus so would take £3
deposit at pre booking to be done 4 weeks before hand at the latest.
with rest due latest 2 weeks before so if we need to
we can find replacements fill the other space from
elsewhere. Also any one paying late (As in they paid
the deposit) will lose it unless valid reason. Anyone
signing up in last two weeks will have to pay in full
and £8 (Unless they were on the possible list as we
had full pre bookings) Does that make sense? also is
that fair price? and do you agree with losing deposit?

Will take cheque, cash and direct bank transfer
preferably and Pay Pal as a very last resort as we get
charged 15p per transaction aperently.

Finally at end we can review what money was taken and
reduce/increase etc... if necessary for the next time.
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 9, 2008, 07:31:56 AM
i think nick IS erriond!
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on May 9, 2008, 09:44:32 AM
hmm which makes it even more confusing then lol
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 9, 2008, 11:34:01 AM
 :D anyways, on to more important matters...

vrylokas... your after a "grudge" match are you? hmm... it was an enjoyable game we had, though im not sure which army ill be bringing along this time. what are you planning to bring along? i was hoping to bring along a(nother) new army... but as mac pointed out, erm... we only have 100days... and i havent put together anything, let alone started painting...

my tau might need some attention... i played a game with them for the first time since the last tourney the other day. well, they are mad at me... i had atrocious luck! of course, perhaps the eldar are going to have to rear their ugly head again!?
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 9, 2008, 11:53:26 AM
........... but as mac pointed out, erm... we only have 100days... and i havent put together anything, let alone started painting...
99
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 9, 2008, 02:57:27 PM
Will take cheque, cash and direct bank transfer
preferably and Pay Pal as a very last resort as we get
charged 15p per transaction aperently.

wot if people paying via paypal pay the extra 15p coz i wont mind :)

@oink - yea it was a good game, i really enjoyed it :) proberly my favourite game of the day :) ill be using one of three armies, my khorne, my daeomons (havent actually started them yet but hey lol) or my necrons :)
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Naikee on May 9, 2008, 03:08:46 PM
i agree with 666 vy here i will most likely be paying via paypal so i dont mind paying an extra 15 p!

im really stuck on choices for armies with the new 5th ed. I think with the new dark eldar boost i will go with them...although eldar may still be viable will have to wait and see  :-\
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on May 9, 2008, 04:32:43 PM
i agree with 666 vy here i will most likely be paying via paypal so i dont mind paying an extra 15 p!

im really stuck on choices for armies with the new 5th ed. I think with the new dark eldar boost i will go with them...although eldar may still be viable will have to wait and see  :-\

Bring it on with your dark eldar naikee, we still need a decider game. As I recall it's one game to you, one game to me. I'll bring the Nids, let's see what you've got
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Naikee on May 9, 2008, 07:36:04 PM
i agree with 666 vy here i will most likely be paying via paypal so i dont mind paying an extra 15 p!

im really stuck on choices for armies with the new 5th ed. I think with the new dark eldar boost i will go with them...although eldar may still be viable will have to wait and see  :-\

Bring it on with your dark eldar naikee, we still need a decider game. As I recall it's one game to you, one game to me. I'll bring the Nids, let's see what you've got

yeah sure! although ...even though i hate to say this. :D You won one game and we drew the other game...

will you be bringing your nids?
Title: Re: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on May 10, 2008, 03:07:10 AM
I would use a different army but I don't have time to finish another one, so yeah, the Nids will be there.  The contents will be a little different though...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 10, 2008, 03:17:46 AM
okay, so 98 days to go. thats never enough time for me to start (and finish) the army i would hope to bring... so they are probably going to have to wait until perhaps the next tourney. so, at the moment im not really in any particular frame of mind... i dont know what ill be bringing... ???
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 10, 2008, 05:34:11 AM
okay, so 98 days to go. thats never enough time for me to start (and finish) the army i would hope to bring... so they are probably going to have to wait until perhaps the next tourney. so, at the moment im not really in any particular frame of mind... i dont know what ill be bringing... ???

Guard!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 10, 2008, 10:52:53 AM
looking at it wi will be definately taking the daemons now :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 10, 2008, 06:24:50 PM
At least its not necrons...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 11, 2008, 05:05:37 AM
At least its not necrons...
wots wrong with necrons?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on May 11, 2008, 05:39:07 AM
It's the whole [ French Accent] Ha Ha [/French Accent] We don't die , [French Accent]Ha Ha[/French Accent] . Plus the Monolith being 1 tough cookie to take down . And the Gauss rule against Armour , of which a Guard player most likely has a few Lemon Rusks/Hellhounds/etc in his army .

Have I mentioned the Kittens yet ?   
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 11, 2008, 05:52:55 AM
Gauss screws my armour, and troops. If I trap you in combat you just jump out and shoot me. My army in total has a 0.416r chance of destroying the monolith, but because its all short ranged they will die if they fail.

I can't even shoot it from long range as it'll most likely deepstrike INTO my lines (though this year I'm much more mobile), and you have a WBB AND res orbs and even then you can go back through the monoliths. (since I believe your list is 2 lords w/orbs, AND 2 monoliths?) And all for the same cost of marines and land raiders?

No thanks. Might as well just give you the slaughter and go get lunch.

Oh, and the kittens.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on May 11, 2008, 06:31:45 AM
[Sarcasm] Tsk , Tsk Jonik . Follow t34h interwebz 1337 ad1v3 . 1gn0re t3h Monolithzz !!!11!!!!!11! Even if it Deepstrikes into your lines and starts puking out Necrons and Gauss at everything . Because spend enough time on interwebz forum you soon realise that every single Toaster player out there are complete n00bs , and will not even attempt to silence your anti - 'lith guns by doing this  . Which due to Living Metal is a very small group indeed . And they would never dream of using it to re-roll their failed WWB rolls , move out of combat to Gauss you in the face ,  oh no , thats just silly . [/sarcasm] .

But in all seriousness , Necrons are like every single other army in the 40K universe . Very good against some , not so hot against others .

For what it's worth , I will hopefully also be bringing a Guard army along . All depends on FW pulling thumb and posting my stuff off before Easter . And I have resigned myself to the fact that 99% of all weapons in the game PWNZOR Guardsman  :D ! 

   
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 11, 2008, 07:28:41 AM
I've not played necrons very often, only 5 or so times, but they aren't fun at all. A challenge I can deal with, necrons are not a challenge they're over the top. Last game I played resulted in me setting up my entire army, shooting the nightbringer for a turn, then 2 monoliths dropped into my lines and I spent the rest of the game taking troops off the board. I think I took out 3 warriors and wounded the nightbringer in total.

Against a unit of warriors with a lord w/res orb, and close enough to a monolith it takes one of the following to kill 1 single warrior:


72 lasguns [1 divided by (1 shot /2 to hit, /3 to wound, /3 to die, /2 WBB, /2 monolith)]
12 heavy bolters (36 shots)
9.6 missile launchers/lascannons
approx 3 battlecannons (assuming 5 are hit by blast, and a scatter is a miss (1/3 hit))


Its not the fact they can kill me easily, because who can't? Its the fact I can do sod all in return. And saying 'go for phase out' isn't an option most the time, because decent players keep their warriors out the way and let their unkillable monoliths do the work because who needs to do anything else if they can win against guard that way? Its the sensible thing to do. And looking at the stats above its not much of an option anyway.

[/rant]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to flat out refuse to play necrons. But you must see my point?

[edit]

To destroy a monolith I'd need 18 veterans with meltaguns, who if they fail will get killed with the resulting lash/whip thing. So essentially with my 6 vet melta I have a 1/3 chance of downing it or another way, a 1/3 chance of possibly winning match. If the meltas even get close to it that is...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on May 11, 2008, 07:44:29 AM
Hey dude , was not having a go at you , just being sarcastic me ! I put that whole [sarcasm][/sarcasm]  thing there for that very reason ! And to put it there first before some Uber Generalz comes along and tells you  too" ignore it  :) *" . Most likely the biggest steaming pile of male bovine excrement ever mentioned . Beaten only by "just shake the 3 Falcons and worry not about the pshyco rending ninja death clowns in the back " line of argument . 

Multiple Hotel and Warrior spam armies are well known for being damn hard to beat , going up against 1 tonight as a matter of fact  :( . Which in itself is funny , before the last 40KO tourney never played them at all . Since then will have played them 4 times including tonight .

 :)* - Official seal of t3h Uber Generalz , also look out for the phrase " If used correctly " ........
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 11, 2008, 08:09:51 AM
the monos can be a bit of a pain, but they arent that hard to kill, flip ive killed a lith with ONE fire warrior using an emp grenade
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 11, 2008, 08:16:16 AM
Hey dude , was not having a go at you , just being sarcastic me ! I put that whole [sarcasm][/sarcasm]  thing there for that very reason ! And to put it there first before some Uber Generalz comes along and tells you  too" ignore it  :) *" . Most likely the biggest steaming pile of male bovine excrement ever mentioned . Beaten only by "just shake the 3 Falcons and worry not about the pshyco rending ninja death clowns in the back " line of argument . 

Multiple Hotel and Warrior spam armies are well known for being damn hard to beat , going up against 1 tonight as a matter of fact  :( . Which in itself is funny , before the last 40KO tourney never played them at all . Since then will have played them 4 times including tonight .

 :)* - Official seal of t3h Uber Generalz , also look out for the phrase " If used correctly " ........

Sorry, the above wasn't at you, or anyone for that matter. Sorry if it came across that way. I'd never played Dark eldar before the 40KO tourneys, and I've faced them once every single time I go...

Thing I find with guard is, no matter who you try and accomodate into your list (an extra HB or 3 for orks, a few plasma guns for terminators etc), there's always one or two armies that your list will just fail with. And you (well, I) always end up playing them... For just once I'd like to play bog standard marines... ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 11, 2008, 08:25:30 AM
For just once I'd like to play bog standard marines... ;)

welllast time there was only 1 bog standard marine player as the other two were bikes and termies
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on May 11, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
To be honest , been noticing a decline in the supposed "Majority of players at event X will be Space Wombles " theory .

Case in point : 2 events since the 40KO event  , total of 10 games played . Of which only 3 were Womble armies . But with them getting a new buffed up codex shortly after July , this may mean all the closet Marine players may bring along their sweet , sweet plasma fodder armies along .   
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on May 12, 2008, 04:14:59 PM
premetheus: That gave me a good laugh, alas Oink has exposed me and Erriond is just my superhero alterego, I am in fact Nick... I though Mac would have told you!

So here is the deal ladies and gents (Oink can you add this to the front page for me mate?) The advance price of a ticket bought through Bracknell Forest Gamers (BFG) will be £7. If for any reason you do not buy your ticket in advance the price on the day will be £9. This is more an incentive to buy in advance than anything else. I will leave it up to Mac to set up and let us all know about methods of payment.

If for any reason you have to cancel before the event then you will get your money back unless within the month of August in which you will lose £3 for admin fees.

Oink, I'm happy to hear your Tau are acting up! Who knows what anything will be like with the new rules. It will be a nice challange.

Happy gaming!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 12, 2008, 05:37:25 PM
that info is up on the front page.

i might have some surprises in stall for 5th ed...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 13, 2008, 04:32:40 AM
premetheus: That gave me a good laugh, alas Oink has exposed me and Erriond is just my superhero alterego, I am in fact Nick... I though Mac would have told you!

So here is the deal ladies and gents (Oink can you add this to the front page for me mate?) The advance price of a ticket bought through Bracknell Forest Gamers (BFG) will be £7. If for any reason you do not buy your ticket in advance the price on the day will be £9. This is more an incentive to buy in advance than anything else. I will leave it up to Mac to set up and let us all know about methods of payment.

If for any reason you have to cancel before the event then you will get your money back unless within the month of August in which you will lose £3 for admin fees.

Oink, I'm happy to hear your Tau are acting up! Who knows what anything will be like with the new rules. It will be a nice challange.

Happy gaming!

I did let him Know just that we didn't want to EXPOSE your secret identify in case Ming the merciless was watching :)

OK payment
if you PM / email me direct with how you want to pay I will give you details
( I would post them here but after recent internet hacks it's safer this way )
email Macvurrich@hotmail.com or 40kolf_gt@bfgclub.org.uk

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 13, 2008, 06:09:36 AM
okay mac, that is up on the first post.

do we know how many tickets are available!? how many can you guys fit in the hall?

oh, and just to check, what are the possible methods of payment so i can put that up there too.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 13, 2008, 08:26:48 AM
okay mac, that is up on the first post.
CHEERS

do we know how many tickets are available!? how many can you guys fit in the hall?
We think 30 tickets (we could do more but then have  to move next door in to main hall = more charge :()

oh, and just to check, what are the possible methods of payment so i can put that up there too.
We can take
Paypal
Cheque
CASH ;D
or Direct transfer
if people will pm or email me direct as I loath to post bank details on the WEB for security
either email macvurrich@hotmail.com or 40kolft_gt@bfgclub.org.uk
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on May 13, 2008, 12:14:46 PM
i am going to go
my first ever tounie so i am hoping i dont lose to badly.lol

i will be using chaos, 666 vy is sorting out my payment so i will give him the money 



- modify! - oink
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 13, 2008, 05:31:02 PM
Just beat me to it oink! I pressed modify and you'd just done it!

I'll sort out my payment in a month or so. Once exams are over!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on May 14, 2008, 04:03:37 AM
I am coming, hopefully bringing a friend with me, and will pay in advance but can't right now (surely by now you all can guess why).
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 14, 2008, 05:11:57 AM
yea, 'cos your a cheap joker!!!

mac, i think i want to come down to the club one night if nick is going down there anyways... ??

then i can give you cash up front.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 14, 2008, 05:25:29 AM
mac, i think i want to come down to the club one night if nick is going down there anyways... ??
Huh
we only good enough if Nick coming down are we... I don't know....mumble grumble mumble grumble not loved mumble grumble mumble grumble mumble grumble mumble grumble mumble grumble not want to play 40k mumble grumble mumble grumble mumble grumble stay aways killing club scene mumble grumble mumble grumble mumble grumble ......


yeah that fine look forward to seeing you















mumble grumble mumble grumble mumble grumble mumble grumble mumble grumble
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on May 14, 2008, 10:47:29 AM
Ha! It is all falling into place! Now for more important things, what to take! Oink do you know when the shop gets it's copy of 5th ed as I am in China for the release and I will want more time to mull things over and head off the beared that will no doubt spring up from little Dan and Naikee!

Mac I will send you an email and get details off you to pay for David and I.

I think that more troops choices are in order if what I have heared about 5th ed is correct... but what to take???

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 14, 2008, 10:53:19 AM
Sod troops choices! More killy stuff!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on May 15, 2008, 08:00:15 AM
hey guys umm.. i would be that friend chuckles mentioned and i'll defo be coming as long as he is (he's my ride to and from the tournie lol)
let me/him kno when you need monies etc
cheers
Verfeld
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 16, 2008, 03:25:56 AM
Happy Birthday Erriond! You must be getting old now...;)

Hows many days left is it now? Must be getting close to 80...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 16, 2008, 03:51:58 AM
only 80 days. arghhh i still need to buy my army lol

p.s. happy birthday Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 16, 2008, 04:09:49 AM
92 :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 16, 2008, 05:00:28 AM
92 :)

That's not so bad...

56 days til 5th ed, leaving 36 days after that to actually get the army sorted, trained, fed, and given a good night's sleep!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 16, 2008, 05:14:16 AM
92 :)

That's not so bad...

56 days til 5th ed, leaving 36 days after that to actually get the army sorted, trained, fed, and given a good night's sleep!

Just so long as the ALARM CLOCK is SET as well  ;D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 40kfomPodmaster on May 16, 2008, 07:28:22 AM
Ahhhh....I see the banter is building up for this one!

Going to try and make it...hopefully no "life bowling me a bouncer" pitfalls beforehand this time. Frantically painting Space Wolves and Drop Pods, and dusting off Eldar (made almost entirely of Rogue Trader era models!!!) at the mo.


[mutter to self]
must not get excited....must not get excited....must not get excited...
[/end mutter]
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on May 16, 2008, 08:01:18 AM
hey guys umm.. i would be that friend chuckles mentioned and i'll defo be coming as long as he is (he's my ride to and from the tournie lol)
let me/him kno when you need monies etc
cheers
Verfeld

In response to this.....you can pay as soon as you like, in fact it is actively encouraged.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on May 16, 2008, 11:22:19 AM
Thanks for the birthday wishes, I am just on my way out to embark on a night of birthday related endulgance.

I will be back from China at the begining of August so that leaves 15 days to buy 5th ed (I don't think a chinese copy would do me much good) learn it and sort my army out... And I spose the woman will want attention too...Maybe I can get her to paint somethings... Crap

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on May 16, 2008, 11:48:05 AM
ok no worries umm i'll wait for chuckles to get back from china and we'll hammer out the details between us and sort it all out then but we're (at the min anyways) defo gunna be coming
:)

enjoy the beerskies anyways
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 16, 2008, 12:39:26 PM
ill be reading the new rules tomorrow...

good luck to everyone else... lol
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Naikee on May 16, 2008, 02:20:54 PM
ill be reading the new rules tomorrow...

good luck to everyone else... lol

yay this makes me happy!  :D thank God 5th ed book is in...

anyway happy birthday errirond!
oh i have a question with regards to the new daemons will you be allowing square bases to be used in the tournie...saying this because our local GW seems to be allowing this.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Razyus on May 16, 2008, 02:26:06 PM
Well, strictly speaking 25*25=625mm^2 And pi*12.5^2 is less than that.

So assuming they kept that ruling aout larger bases from that point of view it's legal. Then again, it is bloody awkward, well, more fiddly.

Not that I'm going, but I wouldn't object. Well, I may go, but you know me. Have yet to turn up to any.

Razyus
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 16, 2008, 02:52:23 PM
Well, strictly speaking 25*25=625mm^2 And pi*12.5^2 is less than that.

So assuming they kept that ruling aout larger bases from that point of view it's legal. Then again, it is bloody awkward, well, more fiddly.

Not that I'm going, but I wouldn't object. Well, I may go, but you know me. Have yet to turn up to any.

Razyus

I would also like to know whether that rule has been changed, since as you know from my previous guard list and commander type unit of mine has a larger base (25->40) to show importance...

*IF* there is a strict 5th ed rule in place, will there be leniancy in the tournament? Because there is no way in hell I'm removing them from their bases...;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 16, 2008, 02:54:59 PM
well dont see a problem with it, as they are the smae size (ish) and not drastically smaller thant he circle ones
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 16, 2008, 03:01:10 PM
Also, is the strength 4 defensive weapons thing true? And troops only scoring?

I think those 3 are the main issues I'm facing... ;)

Tell you what, can you give us the rundown by any chance pretty please Mr Oink?  ;) :D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 19, 2008, 01:46:22 PM
the book is so sexy... the artwork makes me need to change my pants. unfortunately, it means i dont take any of the actual rules in...

in any case, it seems as though the army lists are going to be stuck at 1500pts because there doesnt seem to be anything that drastically changes the way points affect game speed.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on May 19, 2008, 02:55:30 PM
I have no issues with bases within reason, if you can't fit your model in the deployment zone because the base is too big then you can't put it on the table and when you deep strike it it will scatter over something and die. If the base is too small then it will fall over. Karma will keep you in line, I don't have to. Any beard related to non standard basing is against the spirit of the tournament however (Naikee this is directed at you), do not exploit the size of a non standard base to your advantage. If you opponent uses your own bases against you then so be it, thats the artistic choice you have chosen to make.

Comments?

Mr Oink... Send me a PM with anything good from the new rules in it. I may be in London in a few weekends time, I will have to come and find you and your shiny big red book.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 19, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
Having read the warseer rumours... My list is screwed. 31 KPs, with 50ish guardsmen. And deepstrike is now more dangerous. And troops only scoring, where most missions are either KP, or scoring. Add that to the fact guard are screwed... (at least the rumour is new codex for Jan09)

I'm not going to worry until I get the BRB, but it looks like I need a re-design, and I'm determined to stick with grenadiers! lol
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 19, 2008, 03:27:09 PM
And deepstrike is now more dangerous.

is it? :( how come?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 19, 2008, 03:52:35 PM
From what I've read, if any of the unit clips something that in this edition would mean they die, the WHOLE squad rolls on the mishap table, where there's a 50/50 chance they die, and the other 50% results in the opponnt placing them down (safely) anywhere they want.

Before you could get the models down you wanted, and a grunt or two might die, that grunt could now mean the death of the entire squad.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on May 19, 2008, 04:41:07 PM
Ah , the joy of interwebz rumours .

1) Been hearing it's in fact Infantry are scoring ( hopefully GW will define " Infantry" - read pg 53 of the current BGB for what I'm on about ) . Also , the other supposed "junk" in your army book IE non " scoring " units can still contest an objective .
2) Deep Strike is actually much better if you make a boo-boo IE scatter onto enemy models . 33% = Death , 33% = opponent places models (= death , but maybe not so much  :P ) and 33% = back into reserves we go . Slightly better me thinks .
3) Leman Russes still a bit screwed regards to defensive weapons , however Tau and Eldar players can stop their bleating , weapon type plays a role ( Assault = good ) . At least no more partials for my Ordnance/Blast templates . And after reading Siege of Vraks , thinking I may have a few of these . Sweet , sweet Thudd Guns !
3) Dunno , its all still up in a heap really . Will be crazy and an utter n00b and actually wait until I have the BRB in my hands before I jump on the " GW r t3h H@xX0rZZ !11!!one!!1! " bandwagon . But it's nice to see I'm not alone on this issue . If somewhat in the minority if the Rumours board is a giant yardstick .   

[secret code]Which reminds me .  oink , seeing as I'm as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face , and there's no way I can make this sound even remotely legit , is it possible that a small bribe donation will "allow" me to get my grubby paws on a copy early  ::) ! Think about it , theres a shiny new Penny in for you  ;) [/secret code]* .

So , is there a rule pack available yet ? Or is it a case of waiting for the much anticipated/dreaded 5th Ed launch to decide on which core rules will be in use ?

* - Officially a humorous statement not intended for serious thought . Officially ...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 19, 2008, 04:53:31 PM
its just "troops" that are scoring... and by troops, it says units that are taken from your troops force organisation - (and that arent swarms or tanks). you are right, any unit can contest an objective, but only troops may hold it.

one neat change is how any weapons that use "blast"... be it 3" or ord blast dont have to roll to hit, they just roll scatter... makes guard frag that bit better (to hit - just about)... but im also considering the hammerhead submunition shot... which always used to miss! and the fire prism... which is more likely to hit (something).

there are little tweaks here and there... as well as some new additions such as "run" and "go to ground". I also like the way that the cover a tank is using affects its "hull down" save.



in any case, what im trying to say is that hte new rules will make for a great tourney... i need ot sit through the missions a bit more in orderto see what we can do with them for hte day.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on May 19, 2008, 05:02:39 PM
Oink I like the fact that you post if full of typos, you obviously want to get back to the book pretty quickly...

Jonik, Deep strike is a lot safer I think. You only roll on the mishap table under the conditions that would have previously lost you your unit therefore you are 2/3s less likely to die.

Oink I like the fact that you seem happy with the rules. How will it fair against the impassable John test though!?

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 19, 2008, 05:10:16 PM
john always is, has and will be grumpy about anything new. partly because it means he has to learn something new, and partly because he will keep losing and blame the wrongness of the rules instead of the wrongness of his army.

its likely he will see it all as a big waste of time and go on about squats for a bit before getting onto how combat squads is rubbish and should be done differently and that dark angels dont get to have a close combat weapon like those chaos marine types...

oh well, you cant please everyone! (and thats why he doesnt come to these events!)




Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 19, 2008, 05:13:06 PM
You see this is why I've avoided it all for the last few months, thinking it safe now people were confirming!

Looks like I won't decide until July then, but i better paint my troops sooner rather than later...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 40kfomPodmaster on May 19, 2008, 05:22:19 PM
Looks like I won't decide until July then, but i better paint my troops sooner rather than later...

Yeah, I second that, but for different reasons. Hopefully, this time...

its just "troops" that are scoring... and by troops, it says units that are taken from your troops force organisation - (and that arent swarms or tanks). you are right, any unit can contest an objective, but only troops may hold it...

So does that mean that bikes (in a Ravenwing force - thinking of a friend's army list here) or Jetbikes (Eldar bikes for example), or assault marines in a BA army can all hold the objective if they're troops? They don't have to be infantry? It's not a ruling that unduly worries me, but I know a few regular opponents are worried.

So Oink - how come you get a copy of the book then? Who's palm has been greased? We demand names...  ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 19, 2008, 05:28:35 PM
i dont have a copy... yet... but i got to jizz look over one at the weekend. this is just stuff my tiny brain can remember... but lets not try make this into another rumours thread! how are your space wolves coming along!? hopefully you will be able to make it this time!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 40kfomPodmaster on May 19, 2008, 05:33:53 PM
My Space Wolves? Slowly...and still trying to decide if they're a "max out bums & guns on seats" army, or an "as much cheese in one small drop pod as possible" army.

...or there's the vast quantity of unpainted Daemons that a friend has just given me in order to paint him an army of Iron Hands (he used to covet those ones I traded to you!).
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 19, 2008, 05:37:33 PM
which, by the way have been proving themselves again! (yet to lose a game actually - peoples faces are priceless when a bunch of techmarines jump out of a land raider and slice up their prized unit!!!) im looking at getting some resin bases to re-base them (i need to put some kind of stamp on them myself!) - plus im looking at getting some parts to perhaps make an assault squad - but they need to have the same justice as those vets you done...

they may be coming to the tourney, i havent decided what to bring!?!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on May 19, 2008, 05:42:54 PM
i dont have a copy... yet... but i got to jizz look over one at the weekend.

Erm , and they let you work with kids ? 

My Space Wolves? Slowly...and still trying to decide if they're a "max out bums & guns on seats" army, or an "as much cheese in one small drop pod as possible" army.

Speaking of Drop Pods , when they getting released ? Just curious as to when the un-motivated masses will lay their grubby mitts on these , and cause me to have a minor panic attack  :P ! My last experience with a Marine shower kinda ended badly ...... 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 20, 2008, 07:48:46 AM
just as wuick reminder guys


88 Days to go


 :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on May 20, 2008, 08:29:01 AM
Hmm so i am hoping to bring my nice new shiny marine army but the chances of it being assembled and painted is around 1%...so guess i will have to bring along my Imperial Gurad again... or steal someone else's when they ain't looking.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 27, 2008, 08:48:10 AM
81 Days

any bookings
not been informed of any except
premetheus
Oink
Erroind
Me
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 27, 2008, 09:01:47 AM
Will do once exams are over.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 27, 2008, 10:00:29 AM
Will do once exams are over.


EXAMS  :o what exams
you mean that we now setting a exam before you can enter, I know some gaming quiz are  hard and that some events are popular but to set excams before the 40kOlft, ....

 :P
All the best
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 27, 2008, 10:11:12 AM
You know, that's not actually a bad idea... ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on May 27, 2008, 11:54:08 AM
ill be doing mine and gonzons on the 27th of june via paypal, ill message u closer to the time for deatails :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on May 29, 2008, 06:34:31 PM
Mac, you can add David to that list as well. I will hassel him into sorting out the time off work. I think I might make it down to the club in a few weeks after my exams are done so I will pay you for us then.

40k exams would be amazing... I wonder if there is a met uni somewhere that offers a degree in 40k... probably not...

Anyway!

A few thoughts for the melting pot. Are people going to be redoing their armies to fit 5th? I personally think I will be including at least two more troops choices and I am going to lose a few of the more flowery things in my list in order to do that. No wave serpent and fewer falcons I think. A fire prism or two might find their way in there.

As for missions we now have less to choose from but there are more ways of setting up. Should we set both variables before the day or will this allow too much tailoring of armies? If so should we randomise both the mission and the set up or just the set up? I think that we should all play the same mission with the same setup rules each round as this keeps things fair.

I would love to write them down in advance and keep them a secret from you all but then Oink would moan when I beat him... Speaking of which, Oink, I challange you! We never end up playing each other, I want to beat you fair and square.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on May 29, 2008, 11:09:25 PM
When you apply for a job with GW they make you do a little warhammer/40K/LOTR quiz to test your game and background knowledge. They don't seem to do anything with it though... at least they did nothing with mine and I know jack about LOTR or a fair chunk of the Warhammer fluff (or rather, I did at the time, I have subsequently improved my knowledge)

Me and Verfeld will, assuming we can both attend, probably be paying via paypal at the end of june around the 27th or so (which is when I get back to the part of the world where I have access to paypal).

I intend to be fiddling with my army in accordance with 5th, mostly in the form of taking a hell of a lot more gaunts than I did before, and possibly (though probably not) taking a CC fex.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 30, 2008, 02:16:56 AM
I'm struggling with getting the troops balance right atm. Too many grenadiers and I lose because they're still expensive guardsmen, still just as squishy! Too few units, and I lose because of the scoring units. There's also the balance of multiple units, or bigger squads!

That, and the issues of huge running swarm lists, vs troop filled elite lists such as deathwing, ravenwing, etc... And then once I find out about them, also trying to get a balance on KPs!

Still, list building is half the fun for me! :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 30, 2008, 04:28:41 AM
Mac, you can add David to that list as well. I will hassel him into sorting out the time off work. I think I might make it down to the club in a few weeks after my exams are done so I will pay you for us then.

...........
Erriond


Added

Also Erriond need to sort out about Games Day when your down next run you throught the Table and sceanrio
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 30, 2008, 06:00:31 AM
oo oo, nick, let me know when you are going down so i can tag along!

ive played a game using the new rules, the missions are so different and the combination of different mission and deployment essentially means you have 9 separate mission combinations... as opposed to the 5 we had before. (i would envisage that GW look to release a mission expansion book in the future).

I think errionds right, we should fix mission AND deployment type in order to make sure that each round is "fair". we could have it rolled for randomly at the beginning of each round - that stops anyone finding a way of tailoring a list to particular deployment methods or combinations... ??

but erriond... you always beat me thanks to those dodgy falcons... and if you dont take as many then how can you ever hope to win!?  :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 30, 2008, 06:04:56 AM
oo oo, nick, let me know when you are going down so i can tag along!

ive played a game using the new rules, the missions are so different and the combination of different mission and deployment essentially means you have 9 separate mission combinations... as opposed to the 5 we had before. (i would envisage that GW look to release a mission expansion book in the future).

I think errionds right, we should fix mission AND deployment type in order to make sure that each round is "fair". we could have it rolled for randomly at the beginning of each round - that stops anyone finding a way of tailoring a list to particular deployment methods or combinations... ??

but erriond... you always beat me thanks to those dodgy falcons... and if you dont take as many then how can you ever hope to win!?  :P


For Club events we have set scenario arranged before hand but give them out on the Day
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Razyus on May 30, 2008, 06:11:01 AM
Surely, that can lead to some grumbling?

Razyus
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 30, 2008, 07:50:50 AM
Only amongst those who power list to win, most of the gamers that come to WoW,  WoM or Escalation come to have good games and like the challenge of not knowing what their going to face nad have to plan more tactically as they may have a hold or reaguard dumped on their light rapid moving force, or are gun lines that have to get across the whole battlefiled quickly

It the Dark Start organiser in me I suppose
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on May 31, 2008, 09:43:06 AM
76 Days to go?

I'm already on list change 8, and 5th isn't even out yet!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on May 31, 2008, 12:44:24 PM
well, im thinking about a new army... the ultimate challenge will be to design, built and paint a full 1500pts army... oh well... ill go get my tau out again!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on May 31, 2008, 01:03:37 PM
hmmm ...
Beastguard - Imperial guard or 30 storm boy based orks

now which army ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on May 31, 2008, 02:58:13 PM
Not to be repetitive, but is there to be a pub crawl accompanying this outing? Because if there is, I am so there
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Naikee on May 31, 2008, 07:25:39 PM
i had my first game with the new rules today. I am really pleased...on a whole games will be more tactical and movement will play a huge part...especially with very small capturing zones.

I'm still not sure which army to take...the DE seem to get better as a whole with the new rules but i can see the eldar being more fun especially with the new emphasis on troops choices. Guardian jetbikes just got a whole lot better  :D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on June 1, 2008, 01:41:51 PM
Not to be repetitive, but is there to be a pub crawl accompanying this outing? Because if there is, I am so there

One pub crawl to be arranged :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on June 1, 2008, 01:51:14 PM
Nick, Luis, tell me when you guys are getting down to the club so I can put extra effort in to get there!

I'm struggling at the moment because of full-time work and lack of transport. I am absolutely dying to see the new 5th edition rulebook and have a few games but all my GW contacts are in Cardiff, which I have now left behind.

I don't think my list is going to change one bit. The ability to re-deploy with the Deceiver is going to be even better - the fact he can now run and now he can't be rended to death or sniped so easily, he is an absolute keeper. I have three durable troops units in my list which used to do all my objective capturing anyway, Veil of Darkness is safer now and my Necron Warriors that get left behind can run to catch up!  (what happens if Lord scatters onto an enemy unit and rolls to be put back in reserve by the way? Does he get put in reserve?) And I still have my powerhouse units like the Destroyers and the Monolith (which seems like it will be even harder to kill now).

It's like my list was built for 5th edition.

Anyway... (see why I'm dying for a 5th edition game?) I think regarding missions, we should just roll for them on the day, it's the easiest way to do it and no-one can be accused of being prepared. It's not exactly time-consuming either...

Mac, I'll pay you when I see you next in person.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on June 1, 2008, 02:30:40 PM
Hi gOOgle
if you want down to the club let me know I can arrange transport / lift :)

Also a bit of balant hi jacking by us (BFG)
http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=163223.0

club tourney event in October :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on June 2, 2008, 07:10:17 AM
Quote
Nick, Luis, tell me when you guys are getting down to the club so I can put extra effort in to get there!

The 23rd of June guys... Yes I know that is way too organised but my life is pretty hectic and if I don't book things way in advance they just don't happen! Oink can you sneak the book out of the store? Kev would have let me have it but I don't know the new manager. Better yet, Mac, have they given you a copy yet?

Oink I think that we can set the senarios but then roll for the deployment at the begining of the rounds so everyone is playing exactly the same mission but they don't know hot to tailor their armies.

Google that c'tan of yours is can't hide from much with actual line of sight. Yes I would presume that VOD puts your unit in reserve if it goes wrong so no loss of unit. Thats so wrong! At least your basic weapons are not as good against my tanks any more.

Oink I can win without falcons... honest! The new list only has 1 falcon and 1 fire prism. I have however gone back to the days of multiple guardian units with starcannons. How I have missed them so.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on June 3, 2008, 05:37:31 AM
......Mac, have they given you a copy yet?
................

Erriond


I can not say  ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 0b5idian on June 5, 2008, 10:35:55 AM
erm...how many tickets are still up for grabs?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on June 5, 2008, 10:41:14 AM
its still early days i believe so there are still a bundle (almost all in fact  ;))...

personally ive got mine plus perhaps at least two others to buy... ill have to check with them.

okay, i think ive narrowed my armies down to a couple of possibilities... knowign that i will NEVER be able to complete a new army for the tourney i have two options...

1. iron hand marine army... proved quite effective thus far. all my 5th edition games (all two of them) so far have been victories... but im not sure how well they can hold up in more competitive play...

2. guard... as from the previous tournament. they proved pretty well last time, and if you ask me i had quite harsh opponents for my army (i went there worried about high toughness models, terminators and flyers... i got to fight an ork army with a fighta, an all bike marine army, and a deathwing army... d'oh). i got the new washes and hope to dull down the models ive already done and then finish off the rest...

hm...

but then my tau look at me and i get all confused.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on June 10, 2008, 12:10:11 PM
i am bringing either chaos marines or if i get them done my chaos daemons

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on June 11, 2008, 12:17:21 PM
Ah, I can sympathise. With going away there is no way I could have anything but my eldar army but I hope that it will be the last time it sees a tournament outing for a while.

It is going to have a new incarnation ready (I hope) for 5th ed with more troops and less special units. Gone are the Banshees, Waveserpent (even though my new one looks so so good) and most of the falcons and we will see a return to the glourious days of multiple guardian units. I hope it pays off! Shockingly I think its the most balanced eldar army I have ever had and I have no idea how to play with it yet...

The bad thing about planning this far in advance for the tournament is that I have no idea what the rule book really looks like other than a few key rules and I have even less of an idea how it will play. Lets hope we can all get plenty of practice in before hand.

As before a quick tournament house FAQ will come up as soon as possible before the tournament to clarify any issues that we may have with particular rules or any confusion caused by old codexs and the new rule book. 

Next year there will be guard, or marines, or some combination of the two!

Oink, I will talk to you more about this in person when I see you mate but you have a rulebook to hand, what do you think we should do about missions? Are kill points that bad, should we use that mission or just stick to deployment varients of the other two? Is our current points scoring system going to work or am I going to have to figure something new out? Are you in the store this Saturday? I'm home for the weekend.

I will get an infomation pack sorted as soon as I can everyone but obviously with a new edition of the rules I have no idea what to put in that pack before I see a copy.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on June 11, 2008, 12:38:18 PM
yea, i can pop into the store on saturday, so i will hopefully see you then...

the missions are good... but i think they are very simplistic in their outcome... the "kill points" are only used in one mission, the others simply use objectiving scoring. its good to mix all teh mission if you are using them, simply because the other missions help swarm style armies whilst the kill point mission tends to hurt them (so there is a need to be prepared for both)

the initial "fight for every vicotry point" system that we were running a few tournaments back encouraged the sort of play that isnt required under these missions.

i think that we could stick to victory points as a scoring method without too much problem. in the rulebook this is mentioned, in a slightly simplified way, but i think its still a better system for tourneys.

there are of course lots of possible options for new scoring methods. that are somewhere in between. but without lots of experience playing 5th edition games i think it might be best to steer clear of anything too drastic.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on June 13, 2008, 05:40:38 AM
My cheque is in the post :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on June 13, 2008, 06:04:59 AM
1 + 3 down
99 to go  ;D

running Def Dread  + K-Khans
this is going to be a fun tourney he he

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on June 23, 2008, 06:30:52 AM
Good morning  gents

54 days to 40kolft

1 paid in full
3 reserved
38 days to full price[/b][/size][/color]
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on June 23, 2008, 08:27:00 AM
Phew . 3 hours of actual graft and 50 days of faffing around left ( including 2 days of much deserved rest  :P ) . Excellent !

Which reminds me , still need to cough up the dough for this . Apart from Pay Pal and cheque , is there some other means of payment ? Do you take watches/rings/children as payment ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on June 23, 2008, 09:29:02 AM
Phew . 3 hours of actual graft and 50 days of faffing around left ( including 2 days of much deserved rest  :P ) . Excellent !

Which reminds me , still need to cough up the dough for this . Apart from Pay Pal and cheque , is there some other means of payment ? Do you take watches/rings/children as payment ?

Ah the old sould of your first born question :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on June 23, 2008, 10:46:56 AM
That's a point, I have an orphan or two kicking around I can't be bothered to dismember, will you accept those as payment?

Slightly more seriously, I get back to blighty around Thursday, and I and Verfeld will be paying for our tickets a little after then once we've met to co-ordinate stuff (and I get to see his shiny new house)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on June 23, 2008, 11:48:36 AM
No prob just my role as the countdown Giant (and no carol voderman jokes :P)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on June 23, 2008, 01:58:13 PM
I'll have a Z, a 4, a Q, another Q, a third Q and the Batman symbol please Carol
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: NaOtama on June 30, 2008, 02:50:46 AM
If there are still places available I am in. Which should guarantee wins for everyone else :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on June 30, 2008, 05:47:17 AM
okay, we've been very quiet here lately...

so, i have one thing to discuss at this point in time. although we can all agree that allowign and using forgeworld is a great step to allow us to freely use models in our collection there are some things that are viewed as being off the chart, so:

shall we ban inferno shells?

i know from the last tourney that some people are very much against their use, and for the most part we can largely agree that they are devastatingly powerful (especially for their points cost).

what are peoples thoughts?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on June 30, 2008, 05:55:29 AM
Is it possible to house rule these shells as in make them usable but not stupid as they are now?

Personally I think if the fall back was optional and instead the template stayed in play for a second turn at half strength that would work.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on June 30, 2008, 06:52:36 AM
oink, can you or MacVurrich PM me and explain the details needed to pay by PayPal? I can't seem to get it to work
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on June 30, 2008, 08:45:06 AM

shall we ban inferno shells?


Yes . And while we at it , rip the Inferno shells description page out of whatever IA book it comes out of , tear it into small pieces , feed it to a pack of hungry rottweilers and then burn their poop .

Questions ?
oink, can you or MacVurrich PM me and explain the details needed to pay by PayPal?

Me too please  .

 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on June 30, 2008, 09:41:06 AM
see your pm from Mac. if you have any more questions, or if anyone else needs to know then please PM Mac as he has the specifics.

so, one vote for an outright ban... one for some sort of working house rule.

any other comments for anyone...?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on June 30, 2008, 10:08:43 AM
see your pm from Mac. if you have any more questions, or if anyone else needs to know then please PM Mac as he has the specifics.

so, one vote for an outright ban... one for some sort of working house rule.

any other comments for anyone...?


30 Ork = Fearless

leave them in  :P


for those that want it use the paypal set up, get the address of me then and choose the to pay box and enter  the address"

then 1.5 million pounds oops sorry the amount and name of first unborn child to attack as payment 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on June 30, 2008, 10:11:10 AM
lol... once 20 orks have been hit by a griffon they soon become less than 12 orks...!!!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on June 30, 2008, 10:18:05 AM

then 1.5 million pounds oops sorry the amount and name of first unborn child to attack as payment

Awesome , 1.5 million Zim pounds( ::)) = £0.00007098589 . Talk about value for money ! ( For humour purposes : 1 ZWD = 0.00000000004732 GBP. That was at 15:17 . Sure its dropped by now .... ) .

Another silly question , how much do we send to you ( in pounds sterling ) ? And I do have a 20 000 Zim Dollar note if you will accept it  :D .
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on June 30, 2008, 10:20:23 AM
Outright ban from me. There are plenty of other choices for the shell, and  the heavy mortar (since you can now get batteries of 3 of them!) is a steal without inferno shells anyway.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on June 30, 2008, 11:53:07 AM

then 1.5 million pounds oops sorry the amount and name of first unborn child to attack as payment

Awesome , 1.5 million Zim pounds( ::)) = £0.00007098589 . Talk about value for money ! ( For humour purposes : 1 ZWD = 0.00000000004732 GBP. That was at 15:17 . Sure its dropped by now .... ) .

Another silly question , how much do we send to you ( in pounds sterling ) ? And I do have a 20 000 Zim Dollar note if you will accept it  :D .


That was half an hour ago
it's now £0.00000000007098589 :)
And the answer is no :)
it's your first born or nothing :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on June 30, 2008, 03:29:35 PM
what if you dont have a first born lmao
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on June 30, 2008, 04:13:44 PM
it's your first born or nothing :)

Is there an alternate form of toddler exchange available ? IE 1.3 orphans and a puppy/gerbil = firstborn ? Is it an equal opportunity scheme ? Is a male worth the same as a female ?

Just asking , have a sneaky feeling the missus may have a problem with this , and have no idea if the old faithfull gifts of chocolate and flowers will cover this . May need to chuck in a pair of shoes to sweeten the deal ...

Seriously , how much in GBP is this ? £7 ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on June 30, 2008, 04:58:41 PM
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The advance price of a ticket bought through Bracknell Forest Gamers (BFG) will be £7. If for any reason you do not buy your ticket in advance the price on the day will be £9. This is more an incentive to buy in advance than anything else. I will leave it up to Mac to set up and let us all know about methods of payment. More info on this method of payment will follow.

If for any reason you have to cancel before the event then you will get your money back unless within the month of August in which you will lose £3 to go to the admin.

PM / email Dan (BFG club) direct with how you want to pay and he will give you the specific details. This is for security.

email Macvurrich@hotmail.com or 40kolf_gt@bfgclub.org.uk

Your options for payment include:

Paypal (though we ask that you add a small amount to cover what Paypal takes - i think it's something like 25pence).
Cheque
Direct transfer
or of course you can pay in CASH

From first post first page...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 1, 2008, 08:16:51 AM
ok it's now 46 days to go  :P

can I ask those that are using paypal to email me seperately with names and 40k Id - so that I can track

I've got Oink
Chuckles
and vrykolakas_666
ok
but I not 100% up on whose who

cheers
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on July 1, 2008, 12:49:39 PM
i say ban them but wat about troops that have them in there wargear ie: thousand sons

and vry paid for me
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 1, 2008, 12:53:55 PM
We're not talking about that kind, this is in relation strictly to the Griffon ammunition type if I recall correctly
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 1, 2008, 01:31:27 PM
Infernus shells are no worse than the chaos thingy whats it called    Lash of submission?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 1, 2008, 01:34:28 PM
Lash of submission is in a full and always-official GW publication, while Infernus shells are in Imperial Armour, which is frequently considered illegal for tournament purposes
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 1, 2008, 03:01:56 PM
Infernus shells are no worse than the chaos thingy whats it called    Lash of submission?


Psychic Hoods , Runes of Warding , the 'nid power ( Warp Scream ? ) , standing 24.00000001" away amongst others can nullify/prevent Lash . Anus shells make non fearless units run away without that pesky "roll for Ld" thingy needed . Do not pass go , do not collect 200 bucks . See the problem here ?

Of course it was "fixed" , and I absolutely agree 1000000000000000000 000% with FW that my most awesome games ever are the ones where I'm stuck in my DZ trying to do that retarded " make a game of it " concept .

@Jonik - Ah , that old "it's on page 1 " sneaky trick eh ? Must keep my eye on you , too kunning for me  :D ! 

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 1, 2008, 04:22:20 PM
Why is it that Imperial armour are mostly considered illegal for tournements?

But yeah I know its official and Infurnus are not but there are equally many ways to stop infurnus shells landing on your heads as there are ways the you can't avoid lash of submission....I agree we should not allow infurnus shells in there present incarnation but as it is our/your tournement and we/you hope to run it for the next billion years why can we not come up with a house rule on it/stuff?

Ahh you say take other stuff instead and I usually do but i think Infurnus shells in concept if not execution are cool  ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 1, 2008, 04:41:38 PM
Because the rules are often not playtested exhaustively enough and result in abominations like the Anus shells.

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on July 1, 2008, 06:11:44 PM
Outright ban.

For the love of god, outright ban.

Anthony, shame on you! I'll gladly give you a game with what I consider the most broken things  in the Imperial Armour books and show you why Forgeworld is considered illegal in most tournaments, but I can guarantee you the games won't be very fun... for either of us.

I need to sort out payment, transport, my life, etc and put the date down in my calendar.

Once I get my hands on a rulebook and have a good look through I'll offer my take on what I think we should do for missions, scoring systems, etc.

And you're getting my opinion whether you guys like it or not ;)

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on July 1, 2008, 06:27:20 PM
And you're getting my opinion whether you guys like it or not ;)

what if we tie you to a chair and put a sock in your mouth, you would be able to give you opinion then lol :D hehe
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 1, 2008, 06:34:25 PM
Oh yeah, tie him to a chair...

Back.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 2, 2008, 05:03:55 AM
And you're getting my opinion whether you guys like it or not ;)

what if we tie you to a chair and put a sock in your mouth, you would be able to give you opinion then lol :D hehe

you've never seen the gesture he does with his FEET :)

Me I SAY LEAVE the inferno shell in
played then last tourney
no problems ( ok 20 storm boyz swooping in and takening it out helps :))


Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 2, 2008, 07:18:10 AM
Google I agree Infurnus shells amongst other things are broken

But seen as we will as a group be doing this tournament for some time to come why can't we try and fix the broke stuff?, the more variation the better if it adds to not detracts from the game  :)

For example my earlier sugestion of.... make fall back optional and instead the template stayed in play for a second turn at half strength would that not fit game wise and fluff wise with the concept of an inferno shell.

Or if you wanted to make it really simple you could get rid of Fall back total and just have it with present stats. Ignores cover like a ranged flamer (Whats it called inferno cannon?)?

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 2, 2008, 07:28:02 AM
damn them storm boyz!!!

there are lots of possible options for "fixing" the shells. i have and do use them - though only one in my army. there is definately an issue when there is more than one firing about a phase! and this is probably where the most beef against them comes from.

from Premetheus' options to things like simply causing a LD check (with -2 for barrage of course) rather than forcing an automatic fall back.

its my perosonal opinion that guard really dont have that much in the way of abusive game winning units, unlike pretty much any other army. (the games with my guard have been incredibly tough - even the ones with my griffon) - so you could view the shells as their little stab at the enemy. saying that though, i also make specific note to not go overboard on things... i can see a very different view if i turned up with 9 inferno shell totting heavy mortars as my elites (a force organisation slot very underused by guard!)

but at the end of the day if some people are generally not going to be happy facing off against inferno (or Anus according to evil-toad) shells then perhaps for this one the best thing to do will be ban them. they can be easily abused to make them have a very nasty effect, and although we have generally not had that issue (unless your fighting google) it might be good to stop it before someone creeps in with it.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on July 2, 2008, 08:40:38 PM
Hey all,

Sorry I have been so quiet lately. You will all be please I am sure (because you care oh so much) that I passed my exams and am not 2/5s of a doctor therefore I can dedicate lots of time before next term to gaming... Except I'm off to China for a month starting friday morning...

There will be plenty of time to paint when I get back, only 3 fire prisms, 10 Dire avengers and an Autach to go...

My view of inferno shells is that I would leave them in, we allow most things from imperial armour so why just pick out the things that a few players don't like? I do see however that it has caused quite a lot of debate and therefore as it is not codex stuff I will say no to griffon inferno shells.

Google, can we ban C'tan and monoliths while we are at it??? I jest...

Hopefully in amongst my packing and panicing tomorrow (and there will be a lot of both) I will have time to send Mac the pack for the tournament with everything you will ever possibly need to know in it. As I will not be around for the aftermath please direct all your questions here and someone will be able to reason out a logical answer.

The pack will include the missions to be played but not the set ups for each mission which will be randomised. The resons for this is that knowing what missions will take place is no advantage. Having played 5th ed a few times now I know how versetile your army needs to be and knowing that you will face 4 different missions and that you will at some point be fighting with night fight for a tern and that you will be using reserves in one game will encourage people to vary what they put in their list.

We are still going to use the VPs system so no the kill points mission will use VPs instead of kill points.

I hope you all get into the swing of 5th ed. I have found it to be a very very good alteration. 40k has never been so good and I hope it will make for a fantastic tournament.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 3, 2008, 03:49:54 AM
Hey all,

Sorry I have been so quiet lately. You will all be please I am sure (because you care oh so much) that I passed my exams and am not 2/5s of a doctor therefore I can dedicate lots of time before next term to gaming... Except I'm off to China for a month starting friday morning...

Yep, I'm pretty pleased to discover that you aren't even a small fraction of a doctor.

Whereabouts in China are you off to?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 3, 2008, 06:30:00 AM
WOOP! No kill points!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 3, 2008, 08:24:52 AM
lol... jonik - we're still gonna use victory points - and guard units still die just as easily!!! (almost!)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 3, 2008, 08:42:29 AM
I know, I can deal with VPs. Its kill points that bug me. Though my list aimed more for 5th ed doesnt suffer as much as it would have done (kill point wise).
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 3, 2008, 10:32:49 AM
.......
 we ban C'tan and monoliths while we are at it............


I'm fully in favour of this one yep fully agree
ok C'tan are now Banned  :P

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on July 3, 2008, 11:17:48 AM
lol then i think that shock attack guns and veteran sragents should be baaned aswell :P hehe
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 3, 2008, 11:50:50 AM
okay so, to summarise, everyone has to use eldar.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on July 3, 2008, 12:24:46 PM
if were banning stuff lets ban master of the chapters, lol
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 3, 2008, 12:36:46 PM
How about banning green eldar?  8)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on July 3, 2008, 12:40:24 PM
okay so, to summarise, everyone has to use eldar.
And they're banned too.

'Ello everyone!  I'll probably turn up, I'll sign up through Dan.  After all, you all need someone to have Victorious Slaughters over. ;)

While we're on the subject of 'editing' 5th ed. rules, there is (I think) one rule that could cause real pain: All models must be mounted on the bases they're supplied on.  Not bigger, OR smaller.  If this rule is in the book, are you going to stick to it, or allow larger bases as per 4th?

I don't know about anyone else, but I have some models that are, for one reason or another, on a base larger than supplied.  A converted Daemon Prince on a 60mm base who couldn't fit on a 40mm base, and some old Terminators that I've put on 40mm bases to be in keeping with the new models.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 3, 2008, 12:47:00 PM
Any guardsman of mine that are officers are on bigger bases (to easily tell where they are) , but its not as much of a problem with my current list. :/

As for old termies on 40mm, that's better than being on the old ones! :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on July 3, 2008, 12:49:00 PM
We need a ban hammer...

I love the amount of hate I get from you guys, it's such a warm and fuzzy feeling :) (I think if we added up all the abuse from the other tournament threads -- I get the most)

Well, god-damn it I'm going to win this time. And then I'll probably get more abuse (but well-deserved, justified abuse).

Alright, you cry-babies, take your damn inferno shells. Just bear in mind that I'll be putting more or less everything in reserve and the game will be... interesting to say the least.

:)

Quote
I don't know about anyone else, but I have some models that are, for one reason or another, on a base larger than supplied.  A converted Daemon Prince on a 60mm base who couldn't fit on a 40mm base, and some old Terminators that I've put on 40mm bases to be in keeping with the new models.  Thoughts?

Won't be a problem in the slightest, I think you'll find. Of course, this is not open for abuse, but what you've said clearly isn't.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 3, 2008, 02:20:21 PM
okay so, to summarise, everyone has to use eldar.
And they're banned too.
.....

Only errionds


hold how about  banning erroind instead ?

Ok I use Eldar
thought they may have a green ting to them


Monkeigh waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaagh
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on July 3, 2008, 03:22:26 PM
Ha, the amusement... Google, they hate you even more than me... no one hates me because my army is more than two colours... ;)

Teg: The rule book suggests that you use the base that the model is provided with but suggests that as many people use other bases they should ask their opponents permission and make an efort not to use the size of the base to abuse the rules. For example if Joink was to use the larger base of his offices to spread the unit out more so that less got hit by a blast marker.

So as long as your base isn't used to give you an advantage its fine, this isn't a GT.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on July 3, 2008, 04:09:21 PM
Jolly good! :D

[to DP]Oi! Catfish-face! Erriond says you can keep that base!
[DP]Urghraah!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on July 3, 2008, 04:30:09 PM
Ok so here follows the new missions as in the pack. Tell me what you think and be honest or this is what you are getting!

Missions
There will be a total of four missions played as specified bellow. The winner will be the general with the most victory points as specified in the mission description bellow.

The method of set up will be randomly determined at the beginning of each round.

Variable game length will be used as described in the rule book however after 2 hours you will be required to finish the game turn and record a result regardless of how much of the mission has been played. You will get a 30 minute and a 15 minute warning. Keep this in mind!

The 5th edition rules of 40k do not easily fit a tournament style of play. While some missions may put an army at a particular advantage, other missions will put the same army at a disadvantage. Hopefully this will balance out but as this is the first time we have tried this all feedback is welcome.

Victory conditions vary between missions and all variations of set up will be used at some point. This system gives a large advantage to armies that have a large number of troops choices, it is intentional in line with the ethos of 5th edition so consider this when selecting your army. If you lose it is not because the system was against you it is because your opponents were better…

Mission 1: Capture and control
Capture and control as described on page 91 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook with the following amendments.
•   Each objective is worth victory points equal to the points cost of all the units within 3” of it. Scoring units (as described on page 90 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook) count as double points.
•   If a unit is within 3” of more than one objective it is only counted once.
                Objectives in the mission are not held or contested. You simply score points for units within 3" so the aim is to have as many of your units around an objective as possible and stop as many of your enemy from doing the same.

Mission 2: Cleanse
Cleanse follows the normal set up rules as randomised at the start of the round. At the end of the game divide the table into four imaginary quarters. 
•   At the end of the game an uncontested quarter is worth the points values of all the units within it.
•   Any unit can hold or contest a quarter unless the are a swarm of the unit entry specifically states that they never count as scoring.
•   Scoring units (as described on page 90 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook) count as double victory points.
•   A contested or unoccupied quarter is worth no victory points.

Mission 3: Annihilation
Annihilation as described on page 91 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook with the following amendments.
•   Instead of kill points, generals score victory points equal to the points value of the opposing units they have destroyed.
•   The destruction of a scoring unit (as described on page 90 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook) yields double points.
•   Units that have lost more than half of their starting wounds or that are immobilised yield half points.

Mission 4: Seize ground
Seize ground as described on page 91 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook with the following amendments.
•   There will always be 5 objectives, do not randomise this.
•   An uncontested objective is worth 300 victory points.
•   A contested or unoccupied objective is worth 0 Victory points.
•   Objectives are held or contested as described in the Warhammer 40k rule book.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 3, 2008, 04:57:49 PM
So , what your saying is that my non-Troops units can still score ? And hold objectives ?

Looks like Craftworld Pikachu Thunderstrike is going back onto the drawing board .
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 3, 2008, 05:21:21 PM
Woah, 2 things....

Why was I used as the abusive player!? Surely google (or Naikee what with his eldar lists...;)) is the player to go to! ;)

2) If above post is correct, and everything is scoring... what's the point of playing 5th ed!?

edit

reading it again....

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Each objective is worth victory points equal to the points cost of all the units within 3” of it. Scoring units (as described on page 90 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook) count as double points

So. I need a troops unit near it to score. But any additional units nearby add their points too, with troops units scoring? Yes? How about troop unit dedicated transports? How about under half strength (sinc they still count as scoring)?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on July 3, 2008, 06:01:36 PM
Read the damn post! Any unit can claim a table quater in cleanse. Where on earth does it say all units are scoring? It says "Scoring units (as described on page 90 of the Warhammer 40k rulebook) count as double points" meaning troops with the exceptions listed in the rule book...

To clarify: Scoring units are units that are taken from the troops section of an army that are not tanks, swarms or otherwise listed as never scoring. Non scoring units can still contest and in some cases in these senarios they can gain VPs but scoring unit always have some form of advantage.

The bullet points bellow each mission 1-4 only apply to the mission that they are immidiately bellow.

Joink: You were used becuase your name came into my head, isn't that nice.

I should have made capture and contol clearer, I will correct it now. Mac can you correct it in the pack please?

In capture and control any unit earns victory points if it is within 3" of an objective. There is no controling or contesting in capture and control for the purposes of this tournament. Scoring units as described in the rule book (troops choices that are not tanks, swarms or otherwise listed as never scoring) count as double points. There is not half strenght. Any unit gets full points down to the last man.

In Seize ground scoring units are the only ones that can score as normal, it is much more like in the rule book. This was done so that we can still use the VPs system. The new rule book really isn't designed for tournament play so we need to develop our own senarios or variations. I think that I have come up with a ballanced set of missions for all armies.

Hope that is clearer.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 3, 2008, 06:10:31 PM
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Joink: You were used becuase your name came into my head, isn't that nice

Absolutely  :-*



I'm sure things will make more sense when we actually have rulebooks too. 10 days is it now? I've not been folowing....
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 4, 2008, 04:57:07 AM
Joink: You were used becuase your name came into my head, isn't that nice.

Joink... JOINK?? is that mine and Joniks' love child!?

anyways... im interested at the amendments made. they are not fully simply victory points, and keep some of teh emphasis of the 5th edition conditions.

my only fear is that because victory points can be scored by non scoring units - it is possible to load your army away from troops and still be capable of winning games.

it might be interesting to have one of the capturing missions where ONLY troops do the scoring... that way you end up with really spreading the game and army styles...

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 4, 2008, 05:09:38 AM
ok it's now 46 days to go  :P

Yes but there are only 26 days until it is Full Price ::) so get pre-booking.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 4, 2008, 05:18:14 AM
google - do you still have the list from last time - perhaps send them all a message to let them know about the tourney - ive seen many less names in this thread than last time...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 4, 2008, 05:45:24 AM
Are we using time tables so that we get all 4 games done ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 4, 2008, 06:11:33 AM
Didn't someone say games were 2 hours no if's no buts....
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 4, 2008, 06:17:39 AM
Erriond's thingy says 2 hours, with a 30 and 15 minute warning. Helps stop waiting, especially with random game lengths.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 4, 2008, 06:30:01 AM
That is about 8 minutes a turn each if you give 20 minutes to get to table set up etc...

Better get revising the new rules when they finally get realeased ..... ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 4, 2008, 07:22:37 AM
8-10 minutes a turn isn't too bad... gives about 3 minutes per phase, which is generally never even anyway.

Or, deploy quicker!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 4, 2008, 07:58:31 AM
Maybe I need to bring smaller armies lol that way i can't spend too long working out what I want to do.. I just realised I would have to paint 1 model a day for the next 50 days to be ready with me Smurfs....Oh well no chance of that hmm guess it will defiantly have to be my trusty guard now..
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 4, 2008, 08:29:55 AM
Maybe I need to bring smaller armies lol that way i can't spend too long working out what I want to do.. I just realised I would have to paint 1 model a day for the next 50 days to be ready with me Smurfs....Oh well no chance of that hmm guess it will defiantly have to be my trusty guard now..

well perhaps the smurf will make an apperance for Escalation ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 4, 2008, 08:45:39 AM
just realised I would have to paint 1 model a day for the next 50 days to be ready with me Smurfs....Oh well no chance of that hmm guess it will defiantly have to be my trusty guard now..

one a day, and that's a problem? ;) Do 7-10 over the weekend and you're well on your way!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 4, 2008, 09:18:33 AM
well perhaps the smurf will make an apperance for Escalation ?

Hopefully an extra months work yes

one a day, and that's a problem? ;) Do 7-10 over the weekend and you're well on your way!

Unfortunately yes it is (Insert Violin)  :'(

1- For the fact I only started learning to paint recently (So I am very very slow  :)

2- My Sundays are taken up by my other hobby American Football   :o

3- I have a club Games day table I need to build and paint.... ::)

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 4, 2008, 09:58:03 AM
well perhaps the smurf will make an apperance for Escalation ?

Hopefully an extra months work yes

one a day, and that's a problem? ;) Do 7-10 over the weekend and you're well on your way!

Unfortunately yes it is (Insert Violin)  :'(

1- For the fact I only started learning to paint recently (So I am very very slow  :)

2- My Sundays are taken up by my other hobby American Football   :o

3- I have a club Games day table I need to build and paint.... ::)



plus the 120 orks that we need to paint for GD
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 5, 2008, 04:53:14 AM

Joink... JOINK?? is that mine and Joniks' love child!?

Well the 40KO banners do say " Be part of something  " . But  you 2 took it too literally by the looks of it ....

Do we have an idea of the armies present ? And to prevent the last threads constant misinformation , I will not be playing Guard . Even though I have started my Cyber Germans , my kidney sale has yet to be finalised to complete my army ....

So far can guess the following :

MacVurrich - Stormboyz spam Orks
Jonik , premetheus , oink (?)  - IG
Chuckles - Tyranids
Vrykolakas - Toasters/Deamons
g00gle - Warriors with Hotel spam Necrons
gonzon , teg - EMO Marines

Missed anyone ?
 



Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 5, 2008, 06:13:32 AM
Missed yourself perhaps? ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 5, 2008, 07:30:05 AM
Missed yourself perhaps? ::)

Not decided between alpha strike Eldar or Kroot spam Tau . Huzzah for idiothammer 5th Ed ...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on July 5, 2008, 11:27:35 AM
So far can guess the following :

MacVurrich - Stormboyz spam Orks
Jonik , premetheus , oink (?)  - IG
Chuckles - Tyranids
Vrykolakas - SMurfs of some or other flavour
g00gle - Warriors with Hotel spam Necrons

Missed anyone ?

ah ha thats where ur wrong laddie :D, ill be bringing ethier daemons or necrons :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on July 5, 2008, 11:49:09 AM
i will be using chaos marines.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 5, 2008, 12:42:05 PM
Bear in mind that if oink does bring IG, even so these will be 3 completely different armies. ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on July 5, 2008, 01:02:41 PM
I will be using chaos marines.
Ditto for me! If they're done by then, that is...

I think I tried to get them done for last year's tourny. :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 5, 2008, 01:24:23 PM
Bear in mind that if oink does bring IG, even so these will be 3 completely different armies. ;)

Blue victims , green victims and brown victims ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 5, 2008, 02:48:49 PM
Probably... ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Mercurious on July 5, 2008, 05:43:41 PM
any spaces left?


josh
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 5, 2008, 05:56:30 PM
Loads of places left !

Refer to pg 1 of this thread for all the details needed to : Pay ( very important this one  :P ) , how to get there , what you need etc .

Out of curiousity , see your from London town . Where if I may ask ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 6, 2008, 05:35:42 AM
I will be using chaos marines.
Ditto for me! If they're done by then, that is...

I think I tried to get them done for last year's tourny. :P

Oh the joy does that mean I could possibly persuade you to be ever so kind and let me use your Marines?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Mercurious on July 6, 2008, 06:39:37 AM
Oh ok, definately be taking up one or two places..........

Do the armies need to be painted? If so time for some speed painting........

Yeah im based in Cricklewood.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 6, 2008, 06:51:41 AM
There is no serious penalty for unpainted minitures , so no stress . But remember 40K 101 - Painted models roll better  :P .
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 6, 2008, 08:13:48 AM
Well, you'd have to do very very well to win without a fully painted army. Since you'd have to catch up the points you miss.

Then again I missed the last one, has the system changed?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 6, 2008, 09:26:46 AM
your army does not HAVE to be painted - but you do put yourself at a disadvantage the less that is painted. last time we had a point accumulation type system for painted armies - bare metal/plastic models woudl result in no points, some painted would give you some oints and a fully painted and detailed force would earn you more. the incentive is to try to get fully painted forces, but unlike GW tourneys, a painted army is not necessary to take part.

Jonik, Premetheus... i think we need to show them what guard can really do! i came fourth last time you know evil-toast... perhaps we three can add all our points together !?!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 6, 2008, 10:03:42 AM
That system is still in place right? I need some points from somewhere!!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on July 6, 2008, 11:45:04 AM
I will be using chaos marines.
Ditto for me! If they're done by then, that is...

I think I tried to get them done for last year's tourny. :P

Oh the joy does that mean I could possibly persuade you to be ever so kind and let me use your Marines?
You can, but it'll cost 'ya... YOUR SOUL!!! (+vat)

If you really do mean that, you can catch me next Monday for extensive interrogation on company assets a chat. ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on July 6, 2008, 07:21:48 PM
Hmm, two weeks after my clubs event? I think I could be tempted to do this one... (yes, I've said it before I know...).

Whats more with a few 40KOers (mostly effeminate eldar playing moderator types) in the area I may try to drag a few of them with me.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 7, 2008, 06:07:12 AM
Sorry Oink think I may have persuaded the local Marine chapter to lend me a strike force... That being said as my guard are in various stages of painting (Most being in the state they were bought from ebay in) i get about 2 points usually lol
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 7, 2008, 06:34:53 AM
Jonik, Premetheus... i think we need to show them what guard can really do! i came fourth last time you know evil-toast... perhaps we three can add all our points together !?!

Well My IG is ready (yes Joink the Minatuars are completed ) so they may make an appearance instead of the Blood Axes ?

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/bfg/DSCF0746.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/bfg/DSCF0753.jpg)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 7, 2008, 06:39:06 AM
it'll be good to put more faces to names - i still think most of you are computer viruses unable to survive in meatspace.

so, i think now that we are closign in on the date i am chaning my list again...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 7, 2008, 08:23:51 AM

so, i think now that we are closign in on the date i am chaning my list again...

Good god tell me about it . At least will be getting the new edition idiothammer tonight , so I can see if the cover rules really are as jank as everyone says it is ( some people have "acquired" the rulebook early ... ) . Which leads me to my next question , will the terrain at this event be 5th "compliant" ? Now I know in this movie hobby of ours BS 2 Orks can place 1000000000 rokkits through a hole the size of a brick , so will there be true LOS blocking terrain ?

P.S - Yes , the Kroot Tau Empire is getting ready for 5th . Tweet tweet mutha frakkers !
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 7, 2008, 08:42:58 AM
... will the terrain at this event be 5th "compliant" ? Now I know in this movie hobby of ours BS 2 Orks can place 1000000000 rokkits through a hole the size of a brick......


If gOOgle and Erriond get there in time it might be 5th Compliant
elsewise it be
"ME COMPLIANT"


the Ork in me rules :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 7, 2008, 10:32:08 AM
Well hopefully I will be able to get down early (Not sleep in like last time) and help Dan set up I love the new LOS rules means lots of nice sexy terrain and not having to worry about the "6" Inch rule.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 7, 2008, 11:36:54 AM
As long as there's 25% covered, with some being LOS blocking (and not those huge walls!!!) I don't really care. ;)

Quote
(yes Joink the Minatuars are completed )

Huh? I don't remember asking... :s   Anyway, they painted? ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 7, 2008, 12:13:11 PM
Oh I can see some fun here with those pointermerbobys, will be on our list to discuss at next club meeting, work out what may need adding to our collection.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on July 7, 2008, 05:06:50 PM
I'll almost probably come.  Time is booked off work, and Hymirl should be willing to drive me (or he shall feel the back of my hand!).  Count me in.  I'll bring either my Eldar army, or my Space Marine army if I get it finished.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 7, 2008, 05:13:57 PM
Yep , the "who gets cover saves rules" are jank . The least they could of done was add " just wing it " in there somewhere . The stupid of today has a replacement on Saturday ! Huzzah !  :-\

The building rules are frakking awesome . We will have buildings right ? Please tell me we have buildings ! Even if it's a out house .

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 8, 2008, 04:12:02 AM
so you dont think its a total loss then!!! i must say that overall im happy with most of the rules though you have to be careful there are lots of little bits that will catch you off guard. (no pun intended).

To Hymril and Nny, make note of the ticket arrangements. you can buy your place over Paypal (for instance) and it will cost you £7... you can buy on the day, but it will cost you £9 and if we are max capacity we wont be able to get you in (a combination of space, preparation and insurance).

speak to MacVurrich if you want to pay via PayPal. he is the head of the Bracknell Forest Gamers club who will be paying the hall hire before the event.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 8, 2008, 05:48:47 AM
Yep , the "who gets cover saves rules" are jank . The least they could of done was add " just wing it " in there somewhere . The stupid of today has a replacement on Saturday ! Huzzah !  :-\

The building rules are frakking awesome . We will have buildings right ? Please tell me we have buildings ! Even if it's a out house .

We will present you wit a Golden building just for you to take around each board :)


YEs there will be buildings

except for the now famous FOREST Board :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 8, 2008, 05:58:28 AM
Well I for one think boards will be designed more with asthetics in mind due to the new LOS rules.

So expect cities with gardens, forests with little pretty villages, winding valleys with..... well you get the picture 8)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 8, 2008, 06:48:13 AM

except for the now famous FOREST Board :)

Sod that , want the forest board  ;) . Or face the wrath of the parrot men  :P .

@oink - To be honest , was so sceptical this weekend it was not funny . But read through the rules and , wow . I mean WOW  :o ! New army ideas are just popping into my brain . Except of course Vespip are still crap though  :D ! 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 8, 2008, 06:53:00 AM
im pretty happy with the new rules on the whole (bar some silly bits like the wound allocation rules).

as for terrain, i look forward to the table set ups... but someone please make sure mac doesnt do the whole defnsive trench line with huge no mans land again ... (again).

i also agree that the building rules are great...

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 8, 2008, 07:10:23 AM
im pretty happy with the new rules on the whole (bar some silly bits like the wound allocation rules).

as for terrain, i look forward to the table set ups... but someone please make sure mac doesnt do the whole defnsive trench line with huge no mans land again ... (again).

i also agree that the building rules are great...

dooh

why not
it's fun :)

I try and zig zag this time just for you :) :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 8, 2008, 07:12:13 AM
well, i'll be taking advantage of flank move to enter on the inside of the trench and blow stuff up (hopefully)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 8, 2008, 07:15:47 AM
well, i'll be taking advantage of flank move to enter on the inside of the trench and blow stuff up (hopefully)


That sound a good idea have to work somthing out to incorporate it :)











*** Note to self - set up terrain to foil Oinks plans ***
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 8, 2008, 07:17:39 AM
mac - i have plans A through to Z... you cannot possibly foil all of them.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 8, 2008, 07:28:49 AM
mac - i have plans A through to Z... you cannot possibly foil all of them.


sounds like a challenge


tables a - z in the dark / pure forest / blindfolded

what else :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 8, 2008, 07:45:42 AM
He's an Ork, they can mess up anyones plans.

And ha but do you have plans for 1,2 and 3?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 8, 2008, 07:53:36 AM
im pretty happy with the new rules on the whole (bar some silly bits like the wound allocation rules).

It's not really that silly . The bolter marine in a Dev squad always dies first , now he can catch 3 melta shots , and still be the first to die  :D ! Surprisingly enough I feel that rule benefits me more than what it hurts me , personally of course . I use extremely few different AP weapon units . And stacking 35 Plasma shots on 1 Drone can only be a good thing  ;) .

Will anyone be bringing Black Templars ? Please ban them . :) 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on July 8, 2008, 04:21:10 PM
If Hymirl confirms and coughs up then I will too.  Main decision as I see it will be whether or not we'll make it to the pub crawl beforehand ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on July 8, 2008, 05:48:33 PM
Right, I'll mail a check at some point in the inditerminate future then. Choice about the pub crawl I can't make just yet since I'm not sure if I have money, able to get off whatever work I may be doing that week (if any), and so on. Actually, is there likely to be an entertaining pre-event pub session?

Plus, in a completely shameless plug, if you fancy a bit extra 5th edition practice at various game sizes, and a chance to roll out a few forgeworld toys, my club is running a campaign weekend a couple of weeks before.... Evil_Toast will vouch for our value for money efforts!(Plus theres a thread in this very forum!)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 9, 2008, 02:00:44 AM
Evil_Toast will vouch for our value for money efforts!(Plus theres a thread in this very forum!)

Sent you a PM about where to send the bribe money  ::) . Tis true I tell you , those Vanguard boys went to a hell of a lot of effort last time . Scenery , table setup , the works , all top notch . (Was fun not playing magic cylinder 40K for a change  ;)  )  .

Which reminds me . Think I have convinced my mate Rob to come along for this little event . Will get round to paying this weekend most probably too .

@ Hymirl/Nny - You Brizzle lads interested in a doubles event the day after in Reading ? Me and said friend are heading there after Bracknell , going to really nerd out that weekend . 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 9, 2008, 04:10:32 AM
Right, I'll mail a check at some point in the inditerminate future then. Choice about the pub crawl I can't make just yet since I'm not sure if I have money, able to get off whatever work I may be doing that week (if any), and so on. Actually, is there likely to be an entertaining pre-event pub session?

Plus, in a completely shameless plug, if you fancy a bit extra 5th edition practice at various game sizes, and a chance to roll out a few forgeworld toys, my club is running a campaign weekend a couple of weeks before.... Evil_Toast will vouch for our value for money efforts!(Plus theres a thread in this very forum!)


Which club / where ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on July 9, 2008, 05:22:08 AM
Would be pushing it as I work in retail and they tend to be quite loath to not have me on a sunday as it's one of my contracted days.  If you can get Lorizael down for it he'd probably be game as he works weekdays.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 9, 2008, 05:50:29 AM
What's that I hear...Sickie  ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 9, 2008, 04:34:48 PM
Sorry  delayed
the Pack  is up on the website

http://www.bfgclub.org.uk/Events.htm

allso you'll notice a juicy buy now button for thoes of you who want to pay by paypal


Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 9, 2008, 06:14:35 PM
WOAH!? I can't take allies!? WHY?

All I want is an extra squad of stormtroopers as troops! Otherwise I'm on 3 grenadier squads...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 9, 2008, 06:49:16 PM
Okay, Tyranid Monstrous Creatures not allowed? I want my money back
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on July 9, 2008, 07:12:25 PM
Would be pushing it as I work in retail and they tend to be quite loath to not have me on a sunday as it's one of my contracted days.  If you can get Lorizael down for it he'd probably be game as he works weekdays.

I can't do the sunday either... I have to be back to be up early monday morning.
Incidently everyone should send Lorizael a PM to bully him into turning up. I'm happy to give him a lift... but hes wavering about it and being a big girl.

Quote from:  Evil_Toast
Sent you a PM about where to send the bribe money

The unmarked paper envelope as normal? ;D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 10, 2008, 04:40:22 AM
Okay, Tyranid Monstrous Creatures not allowed? I want my money back

I think they mean VDR nids. But no allies? That royally sucks for no good reason - especially since they are all 100% official GW codecies - not FW which is allowed! If you're not banning lashes, or infernus shells, why the hell are you banning completely legal allies?!?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 10, 2008, 04:52:45 AM
Okay, Tyranid Monstrous Creatures not allowed? I want my money back

I think they mean VDR nids. But no allies? That royally sucks for no good reason - especially since they are all 100% official GW codecies - not FW which is allowed! If you're not banning lashes, or infernus shells, why the hell are you banning completely legal allies?!?

Just as a quick reply before I dive for cover from the incoming


ERRIOND WROTE IT :)

seriuosly though if any question please can you direct them at erriond as I'm only hoisting it. So I can't give an answer or change the pack

Cheers

(I'll get the white flag up in a minute :))
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 10, 2008, 04:58:20 AM
Okay, Tyranid Monstrous Creatures not allowed? I want my money back

I think they mean VDR nids. But no allies? That royally sucks for no good reason - especially since they are all 100% official GW codecies - not FW which is allowed! If you're not banning lashes, or infernus shells, why the hell are you banning completely legal allies?!?

There is no such thing as VDR Nids, if he means the Creature Feature rules then that is something completely different. I hate to be-atch since you guys obviously put quite a lot of effort into setting this up but that pack could maybe do with a bit of a re-write?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 10, 2008, 05:47:49 AM
Okay, Tyranid Monstrous Creatures not allowed? I want my money back

I think they mean VDR nids. But no allies? That royally sucks for no good reason - especially since they are all 100% official GW codecies - not FW which is allowed! If you're not banning lashes, or infernus shells, why the hell are you banning completely legal allies?!?

Just as a quick reply before I dive for cover from the incoming


ERRIOND WROTE IT :)

seriuosly though if any question please can you direct them at erriond as I'm only hoisting it. So I can't give an answer or change the pack

Cheers

(I'll get the white flag up in a minute :))

Sorry, "you" was as in "the tournament", directed at noone in particular. Thinking about it, my posts are coming over quite aggressively, and I appologise, but it seems like a completely stupid rule that screws me over (what with the need for troops)...

Quote
I hate to be-atch since you guys obviously put quite a lot of effort into setting this up but that pack could maybe do with a bit of a re-write?

I agree with the above completely - I know that everyone who organises has RL to deal with too - and thank everyone for it - but this rule has me a little miffed... :-\
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 10, 2008, 05:51:43 AM
I kind of meant for typos as well, but yeah the no allies thing is completely arbitrary
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 10, 2008, 06:04:17 AM
Never took at a cross hair shot at me  :P

Just a case of I will change it if the Committee want to - I post it as the send it

Erriond gOOgle and Oink are the one who set it up - not trying to pass the buck just a case of I don't want this to become a BFG event, not that anything wrong with that, just that it's 40KOLF's and we want to make sure that it seen as that :)

NOW as for Escalation  :P :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 10, 2008, 06:10:34 AM
okay, i think that mac can go ahead and edit the pack as needed... seeing as Erriond, the dirty swine, is away in chinaland.

please can i vote that the first mission is also amended so that ONLY TROOPS count as scoring units and may capture objectives. this will bring the mission in line with 5th edition more and gives us one mission in which having lots of troops is worthwhile... because the others are set out in such a way that you could still to very well without many (and thus going against the grain of a 5th edition tourney).

the other missions are okay though.

yes, i think allies SHOULD be allowed.

monstrous creatures, shouldnt... but i suppose i have to let them... creature feature bugs are not allowed however.

please make a note that units with structure or mass points cannot be used.

a note indicating that the 40k Apocalypse rulebook and any formations will not be used, that this is a standard 40k tourney. (units that use the oversized templates may still be taken however, eg:medusa, but the player must of course bring those templates!) (jonik)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 10, 2008, 06:20:39 AM
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a note indicating that the 40k Apocalypse rulebook and any formations will not be used, that this is a standard 40k tourney. (units that use the oversized templates may still be taken however, eg:medusa, but the player must of course bring those templates!) (jonik)


WOOP! oink to the rescue ;)

Yep I have 3 templates, one homemade, and 2 7" vinals (which are *just* indersized, and trying to be ironic)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 10, 2008, 06:23:32 AM
Anyone noticed that the new green templates for 5th edition have an extra mm of radius on them? Not that it's particularly significant but are we going to be using the new templates or the old ones?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 10, 2008, 06:27:11 AM
As long as both players use the same templates it shouldn't matter. But then again if one player uses lots of templates, and the other doesn't it does make a slight difference...

How much of a change is it? Are 5" now 5"1mm, same with small, flamer just a mm longer?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 10, 2008, 06:29:20 AM
you will note the new templates have a larger central hole too - only ever so slightly... i havent compared the two in detail. you use whichever template you have!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 10, 2008, 07:36:44 AM
As long as both players use the same templates it shouldn't matter. But then again if one player uses lots of templates, and the other doesn't it does make a slight difference...

How much of a change is it? Are 5" now 5"1mm, same with small, flamer just a mm longer?

just to be akward
I going to get this one
http://www.gf9.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=421&osCsid=802d605ca33ee39dea09fbc2c2bfba44
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 10, 2008, 07:37:32 AM
I've already got the Warmachine templates, they're okay but the flamer template is much smaller than the 40K one
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 10, 2008, 07:51:26 AM
ah, and i just re-read the pack, mission 4 is worked out (scored and contested) as described in the rulebook... this means that only troops can score in mission 4.

okay, so there doesnt need to be any amendments to that effect.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 10, 2008, 08:21:30 AM

The unmarked paper envelope as normal? ;D

Yes , in the usual mix of used denominations of £'s and Euro's . No $'s please . The bank does not look kindly on wheelbarrows in their establishments .

So to clarify , Fex spam will be allowed . Allies from Codices Bolter Biatch's and Ordos Tickle Stick will be allowed ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 10, 2008, 11:51:35 AM
Just to confirm changing the rule for Tyranid /VDR to exclude Creature Maker not monstrous

and the Allies part,
might be me but I'm reading it that you can only not take allies as that IG can't take a unit of SM or is that not how your reading it


will change the pack after talking to the club comittee tonight and replies from you guys
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 10, 2008, 12:07:09 PM
Just to confirm changing the rule for Tyranid /VDR to exclude Creature Maker not monstrous

and the Allies part,
might be me but I'm reading it that you can only not take allies as that IG can't take a unit of SM or is that not how your reading it


will change the pack after talking to the club comittee tonight and replies from you guys

The way it is written, only witch hunters and daemonhunters can take marines/guard. Where as guard/marines cannot take units from WH/DH.  It also fails to mention WH in the first part, so technically (according to the pack), I would not be allowed Daemonhunter allies, but I am allowed witch hunter...

Luckily however, they've been allowed by oink.

As for 'no monsterous creatures' - aren't half the nid list that catagory? And same with greater daemons?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 10, 2008, 12:16:13 PM
yea, the monstrous creature reference is actually to the creature VDR equivalent... not "monstrous creatures"... thats just sloppy wording.

i can understand the confusion with allies... its to stop you simply mixing different armies together... which is reasonable...

im not sure how to change the wording at the moment.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 10, 2008, 01:06:07 PM
im not sure how to change the wording at the moment.

No army can use allies other than that are permitted as written in Codex Daemonhunters and Codex
Witchhunters.


Thats pretty much how every rules pack I've ever read covers this .
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on July 10, 2008, 01:25:26 PM
Ugh, I suppose if somebody sent me the original copy of the pack I could edit and write it out professionally (I do now have a degree in Creative and Professional Writing) and then everybody wouldn't have to engage their brains to use some common sense.

However, I did also have a chuckle about some of the typos and problems; but at least we have it.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 11, 2008, 06:04:00 AM
congrats google! and to celebrate you obviously go out and get smashed... killing off most of the brain cells that got you there in the first place!

thanks for that toasty... i couldnt engage my brain...

as mentioned earlier google, do you have the mailing list of people to contact about the tourney from the last time? it might be an idea to send them a message - email just in case they have missed the thread completely.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 11, 2008, 09:42:50 AM
http://uk.games-workshop.com/news/errata/3/ (http://uk.games-workshop.com/news/errata/3/)

5th ed FAQs are up!

Let the ''aww what!?'' 's begin
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 11, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
I do love the way that they are the one released a couple of months back but now called 5th ed :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 11, 2008, 11:36:07 AM
fair dues, there are some comments with regards to 5th edition in them.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 11, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
5th ed FAQs are up!

Let the ''aww what!?'' 's begin

Been browsing through some of them . So far not to bad . Just read the toaster FAQ and they cleared up 2 tedious debates ( powerfist v 'lith and the Particle Whip Sniper Cannon ) .

Still need to read :  Guard , BT's  , 'nids and the Ordos ones .

@premetheus - you got a PM .   
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on July 12, 2008, 07:35:29 AM
Quote
as mentioned earlier google, do you have the mailing list of people to contact about the tourney from the last time? it might be an idea to send them a message - email just in case they have missed the thread completely.

Sorry, missed that bit earlier! Erm, I'll see what I can ruffle up, what numbers are we looking at so far? Been so busy recently it's not funny, haven't played a single 5th edition game yet, I've barely played any 40k for the last three months which is just heresy for me. Do you think it'd be sad to try and get a game of 40k in while I'm in California for two weeks? :P

Me thinks me could be a bit rusty this tournament... second place yet again then! :( (:P).
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 13, 2008, 02:42:47 PM
Evil_Toast - Tau
DarkFex [non 40KO member - Evil Toast]
Oink
Joink - guard
 Chuckles
Verfeld
Premethus
vrykolakas_666
Erriond
gOOgle
Nny
Andy V
gonzon - chaos marines

so far
Me - backup
also 3+ other BFG'ers but not fully booked
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 13, 2008, 06:43:13 PM
Oink
Joink
Joink... JOINK?? is that mine and Joniks' love child!?

So it is true , there has been some form of "special" prize at this event before . Admit it !
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 14, 2008, 04:51:44 AM
What are the prizes at the tournament? So how we looking for people that want to come but just ain't paid yet? Could you add next to the names what armies people are planing on playing?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 14, 2008, 12:19:57 PM
Ooo prizes! (not that I've got much chance of winning! ;))

Guard for me.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 14, 2008, 12:42:06 PM
prizes

1st  2nd  and 3rd exempt from doing the dishes at the end of the day :O
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 14, 2008, 01:26:46 PM
Myself will be Tau again .

Rob I think is feeling a bit masochistic of late and might bring either Deathwing or pure Deamonhunters . 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on July 15, 2008, 04:06:29 AM
ill be bring my necrons or me deamons,depending on which 1 can get finished in time lol

*note to self* must not take bikes to third tournament in a row
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on July 15, 2008, 04:48:22 PM
Probably Space Marines if I have enough of a force.  More likely Eldar though.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 15, 2008, 04:52:17 PM
Tyranids. Like always. Next time there's a tournament, assuming I can make it down from Newcastle (on Tyne, not under Lyme), I'll have something different but for now it's the old standby
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 15, 2008, 06:07:35 PM
i'll be bringin my Waaagh with me

umm btw, just to clarify something in the rules pack im not sure on...
mission one, point two "if a unit is within 3" of more than one objective it is only counted once"

which objective would you count it against, would it be a player decision, closest one to it or another one?

cheers

edit: having thought about the problem i've come to realise that it wouldnt matter in the slightest anyways cos its just total VP's and not contested etc so meh nevermind :P

edit 2: (sorry) another thing occurs to me, will we be using the scoring units rules that you have to kill everyone for troops in addition to having all other units score or will that be suspended in favour of having half unit strength negate scoring status for troops as well?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 16, 2008, 05:09:41 AM
hmm, interesting, i dont think we have fully considered it.
well, we are essentially using a similar victory point system to now. so you score victory points according to your unit value. a scoring unit under the 5th ed rules can score (points) from an objective even if under 50%...

note that in mission 4, only troops can score.

okay, just to make clear (i hope i dont get this wrong!)

in the missions, (except for mission 4) all units can score victory points.
a unit below half (wounds) will score 50% of its total.

troops are worth double in some missions, so in order to balance this out perhaps troops can capture objectives even if below 50%, whilst any other unit cannot!?

does this make sense and what do people think?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on July 16, 2008, 03:01:44 PM
i have  not had a pack for the tounie were they sent out or on a diff thread?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on July 16, 2008, 03:38:30 PM
@gonzon : Rules pack (http://www.bfgclub.org.uk/40kolf1608.pdf) for this little event . Read through and feel free to ask any questions you may have . By the way it was on Bracknell Forest GC's website . Further details are available on page 1 of this thread .
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on July 17, 2008, 05:54:48 PM
thank you for the help
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 18, 2008, 05:08:18 AM
Quote from: oink
The advance price of a ticket bought through Bracknell Forest Gamers (BFG). Tickets on the day may be available but cannot be guaranteed (its a first come first serve with limited places) This is more an incentive to buy in advance than anything else.  More info on this method of payment below.


Hi guys so only 12 days before the event goes to full price, also we will start to try rustle up people from local area to fill up the places that are still available.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 666_Mutley_666 on July 18, 2008, 06:57:18 AM
i might be bringing another mate with me, he not sure at the moment if can come or not, if he does he'll be using dark eldar or tau
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on July 19, 2008, 12:55:02 PM
I've finished! :D My army is now fully painted!  (Bar any additional changes made to the list...)

However, there are two ways of looking at it: either 'I've finished a month in advance' or 'I've finished 11 months late'. (I had originally intended to take my Chaos for the last tourny :P)

Unfortunately, I have still to land a copy of the rulebook... Hurry up Premetheus! (Our first game of 5th with a borrowed book took 4 hours, never mind two...)



Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 19, 2008, 02:18:30 PM
I still have 13 infantry to paint.... and no 5th ed. Hmmm....

Still a few weeks left eh!? ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 19, 2008, 04:03:31 PM
just wondering what everyone is doin about objective markers, are you buying the gauss green ones with the counters set or modeling your own?

tis a random question but if no ones bringin the green efforts i might have to get arse in gear and paint mine lol
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 19, 2008, 04:45:08 PM
Bringing my own. No way am I paying for overpriced green templates, be they objectives or blasts.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 19, 2008, 04:47:59 PM
Bringing my own. Gotta love the way Genestealer sprues come with their own objective marker-sized terrain features
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on July 20, 2008, 03:38:56 AM
Hello from China!

I hope all is well. I'm sorry about the confusion to do with missions, I did then very late at night before I left the UK. I am back on the 30th so I will give it all some propper time then. I think I will sit down with Dave and maybe Oink (if you have finished your move and can spare me the time) and work out how we will do them. The idea is that we will have victroy points so that we can score the tournament but that troops choices will still have a great advantage over other sections of a force. Keep that in mind, the missions might change last minute but that idea wont! Maybe we will scrap VPs and just make sure that there are a large enough number of objectives in each mission.

If anyone has any amazing ideas on how to score a tournament under the new eddition please tell me!

Mac, has anyone within the GCN come up with a system for their tournaments yet, better still what are GT and Conflict doing? If so then who do I need to email? I have a load of emails from you and I will reply properly when I get home.

Google: when are you around? If you are about when I get back we can have some warm up games and you can see how you like the new flying circus :)

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 21, 2008, 04:32:59 AM
that reminds me erriond...

im gonna pick up those tanks you asked for, i had to get them ordered in because there werent any of them, hoping to get them this week - then i can pass them on to you, and we can chat about the new rules etc etc.

right, ive got loads to paint, but ive started on the things that will likely get cut from the list - probably as a measure to ensure that i dont cut them... i dunno what im doing anymore!!!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on July 21, 2008, 12:59:39 PM
You could count up tournament points for win = 3, draw = 1, and lose = 0 but use VPs as a tie breaker. So if you people have 5 points at the end of the day, you'd then check who has the highest VPs to see who got the most killage done in addition to their objectives. And if someone got 4 tournament points but more VPs he still comes lower because while killing stuff is good and all he still wasn't as successful at achieving his missions.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on July 21, 2008, 01:25:21 PM
We've used that system before and it works well at the end of the day, but it is a lot harder throughout the day trying to collect everybody's victory points for the end of each of their matches, and, unintentionally or not, we find that some people don't quite score their victory points right at the end of the match.

We could do something similar with counting objectives scored, though. So, say, three objectives on the board and at the end of the game one player has control of one objective and his opponent holds none, then that is a win and 3 torunament points, and one objective point. And on another table say three objectives again one player holds two objectives and the other player holds one. Then 3 tournament points and two objective points for the winner and 0 torunament points and one objective point for the loser.

Use objective points at the end of the day to seperate those tied on Tournament points. Easy and simple to do and an even bigger empathesis on objective claiming/troops

Erriond, well up for a game when you get back! I'm in San Diego (about to go Mexico for the day) at the moment, but will be back in Blighty around the 3rd August. When are you back from China?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 21, 2008, 01:50:52 PM
lmao and if theres anyone at the end tied on tournie and objective point go the the old warhammer default....

 d6 it :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: 0b5idian on July 21, 2008, 03:37:57 PM
can i like....book two places? =P really don't remember how i did this last time
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on July 21, 2008, 05:01:43 PM
We've used that system before and it works well at the end of the day, but it is a lot harder throughout the day trying to collect everybody's victory points for the end of each of their matches, and, unintentionally or not, we find that some people don't quite score their victory points right at the end of the match.

Fair enough, I don't really mind at the end of the day but 5th ed is pretty new and its hard to predict how its going to work in this regards so a tried and tested system would be my preference because its an existing benchmark. Giving out extra points for objectives may have potental for some players to run away with the lead, since any game you win will by default include a high ammount of objective points.
My club is running a campaign weekend the week previous and we've decided to trial on on a more team based method to circumvent the problem and hopefully let us study 5th ed working in mass for when we run more competative weekends next year. You don't have that option available though..

I'm just throwing suggestions out there, I'm certianly be most intrested to how you do decide to run it. After all, what works works, right...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 21, 2008, 05:22:02 PM
can i like....book two places? =P really don't remember how i did this last time

of course you can Obsidian... whare have you been lurking!?

now then, have you seen where this one is located - check out the first post of course, but this is now held in bracknell... reachable by train (or car of course).

you can pre-buy your ticket or hope there are some left on the day to get them. if you want to pre-buy them you can use Paypal. pm (or email) macvurrich (AKA Dan). he runs the club at bracknell (the bracknell forest gamers club) and will use the money to pre-book the venue. (which is why we are patroning using this buy before the event method).

as for system of scoring. i think i agree with hymril. keep using the victroy point scenario that we've been doing. partly because we know it works, and mostly because the excel worksheet that erriond plotted out has it all working for him! (although we could make him write out a new program for it - meaning he will have les time practising 5th !!!)

in some earlier tourneys we also tried out a "pure victory points" system. where we simply kept a running total of each persons victory point score. this did encourage very tight battles, where every model and very point mattered. i was sorry to see this go, but the more traditional scoring system also lends itself to things like painting scores.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 22, 2008, 05:48:50 AM
hey before the start of the tournament can we get a  thread started somewhere where we can discuss rules issues for the inevitable misunderstood and Games Workshops patented vaguely described rules?
For instance on the Ork board atm theres a thread about Trukks ramming, rules as written are extremely misleading and im sure there are many many others which we'll need rulings on for the tournie
cheers
Dave
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 22, 2008, 06:24:21 AM
a lot of the things will be answered on those threads... otherwise, thats what this thread is for. we can discuss any specific worries and come to a conclusion here.

(ps: my reading is trukks cant ram - they can tank shock (infantry) though)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 22, 2008, 07:13:38 AM
yeh thats basically what i thought as well, they should have included somethin like "Ramming is a special type of tank shock which only Tanks can perform......." or somethin lol
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 22, 2008, 07:36:01 AM
Have not read exact wording yet but seems a bit stupid you cant tank shock with anything that is a vehicle. Kamikaze anyone  ;D

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 22, 2008, 07:42:20 AM
oh you can tank shock with anything, the problem comes with ramming, the rule book is pretty vague but the general feeling is that only tanks (ie units with tank in their description) can Ram
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 22, 2008, 07:56:55 AM
Sorry I was commenting on the fact you can't tank shock either with lots of vehicles so it would be fair to assume that you can't ram with certain vehicles either, most of the threads seem to agree only things with Tank profile can ram....So no Kamikaze  :'(
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 22, 2008, 08:31:46 AM
only "TANKS" may tank shock and only they can perform "RAMMING". the issue with orks is they have a vehicle upgrade that allows tehm to "tank shock". imo, thats quite specific, in that it allows the trukk to tank shock. but, tank shock and ramming are different things. if the upgrade was changed to say that the trukk becomes a "tank", then it would be able to do both, but the upgrade only allows a specific tank shock.

the arguement mainly surrounds the idea that if you can tank shock , you can ram because people think that they are the same thing (basically because of the wording at the beginning of the ram description).

im firmly of the opinion that you cant... because the rule in the ork book is "specific", and also because i dont think that the two (tank shock and ram) are the same (mainly because they are described under their own special headings)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on July 22, 2008, 11:47:51 AM
It says that ramming is a form of tank shock, which does indicate that it might be possible for a trukk with a reinforced ram to ram vehicles since the ram also allows them to tank shock
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 22, 2008, 12:54:14 PM
But if (still to get the rules, just looking at what has been said here)  it says that to ram you much be a tank, and trucks are not tanks, then trucks cannot ram, with upgrade or not, since they are not a tank.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on July 22, 2008, 03:06:20 PM
But if (still to get the rules, just looking at what has been said here)  it says that to ram you much be a tank, and trucks are not tanks, then trucks cannot ram, with upgrade or not, since they are not a tank.

I agree, the Tanks section gives two special rules, one is Tank Shock the other is Ramming. That Gw decided to add some fluff wittering about it being a type of tank shock and a desperate manouvre blah blah etc.. is nothing to do with it. A vehicle gaining permission to tank shock is not automatically permission to ram.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on July 23, 2008, 04:44:53 AM
Hey all,

Google I am back on the 30th so just before you. Maybe see you the monday before the tournament? I will drag some others along too and we can all have a chat about missions and scoring etc. For what it is worth I like the idea of having 5 objectives in each round and you score a point for each objective held. That way in cleanse you can score a point for each table quater plus holding the central 12". This would really favor armies like guard though as they can claim more objectives with all their troops choices while others can only contest most of them. Maybe annihilation will see an objective point scored for each enemy troops unit killed... That might ballance it out nicely... Nasty...

Oink thanks for getting those for me mate. I will see you in a week or so. I do not have the time to paint that much of an army, I have 10 avengers to do as well!

I am getting pretty excited again. I hope to get a lot of games in so that I stand a chance.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 23, 2008, 06:10:10 AM
i wouldnt agree with that scoring system for the reasons Hymril pointed out...

if you score points for winning but also score points for grabbing objectives then the winners of games will be running out in the lead with no hope of being caught! (because by the very nature of the missions, you need to capture more objectives in order to win games!)

perhaps you do away with the traditional scoring system and JUST run the scoring using that objective point style...

the only issue then is that you will end up with very similar misison objectives - with the only variation being deployment. it will also be likely that you will end up with lots of people scoring the same amount - and ths having to calculate victory points anyway!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on July 23, 2008, 01:18:48 PM
However, we also found that there is a correlation between victory points and amount of wins,I don't think objectives would really be that different, except to encourage more Troops taken; Victory points would encourage less troops and more elitest units into your army. The main aim of the tournament is to win your games so I think that should be rewarded fairly.

Objective points are to try and make sure that when you win your games you will be forced into situations were you have to take risks to secure as many as possible, if you want to make sure you are in the higher end of the tournament.

Also, it isn't that unlikely that, in a board with 5 obectives, you could see someone winning their game just holding one objective, and in another game someone losing because they are only holding two. It would be unfair to penalise the person that claimed victory fair and square with just the one objective over someone who lost and holds two.

Really, the objective points system is just to seperate the players who won/lost/drew the same amount of games, you are likely to see a correlation between amount of objectives claimed and wins but it is to make those higher end players dare to win.

It would not surprise me in the slightest if we saw some higher end players playing it safe and securing one or two objectives each round and blasting their opponents away from any of the others, but they should be aware that another higher end player could be going all out to secure as many objectives as possible. If you're worried that tournament points and objective points wouldn't be enough to seperate everybody, we could add one more band: how many objectives they contested at the end of the round.

So, in order of importance (and a given example):

                       Tournament points       Objectives claimed      Contested objectives
g00gle5                        12                                20                                  0
Fred                             12                                 4                                  11           
Bob                              10                                15                                 9                   
Joe                               10                                15                                 7
Erriond                          6                                  5                                  8
Oink                              5                                  9                                  6


Winning should be the main aim, but if you want to assure Victory, the more you focus on Objectives the better in the rankings you are likely to be.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 23, 2008, 03:23:06 PM

                       Tournament points       Objectives claimed      Contested objectives
g00gle5                        12                                20                                  0
Fred                             12                                 4                                  11          
Bob                              10                                15                                 9                  
Joe                               10                                15                                 7
Erriond                          6                                  5                                  8
Oink                              5                                  9                                  6


i dont like this method - because it has me at the bottom - cheers   :'(  !!!
hehe, well, that might be an interesting change to things... and i do like the idea of scoring based on "objectives" rather than on killyness.

i suppose its simply a way to separate even players.

in that case though, you would have to set the number of objectives in each mission. and of course, this favours only troop heavy forces (rather than balanced forces) and does away with the kill point (which we were using the old annihilation) mission which can penalise such armies. (unless of course in that mission the objectives could be the enemy units)

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 23, 2008, 05:02:32 PM
Surely we want to play all three versions of the game, the two objective ones as well as the kill point one?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 23, 2008, 06:35:10 PM
i think sticking to the 3pts for a win, 1pt for a draw etc style of scoring and keepin track of objectives captured for anybody on equal points at the end is the best way of doin it

with regards to the kill points which are being used in one of the games why not count the difference as the objective points for that game, that way the players who decimate the opposition in that game will rightly be ahead in the tie break situation while any close games i.e. ones which both sides get decimated or nobody does wont give those players an advantage as they'll only score a couple of extra objective points which may not even matter if they loose their other games

just a thought
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 24, 2008, 08:55:19 AM
I have 5th ed! Woooo!

Only 2 weeks late....
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 24, 2008, 09:23:43 AM
Yeah I get mine tomorrow it's in the post....maybe I should take the day of work to celebrate.....
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 24, 2008, 11:26:36 AM
Yeah I get mine tomorrow it's in the post....maybe I should take the day of work to celebrate.....

no more nicking mine then hehe
(oh well that's what come for having it early )

personally I'll be running the BFG events with the standard 3 1 0 results with VP for same and include the obejcts / KP with in the VP strcuture
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 24, 2008, 11:30:11 AM
So is the real problem not the difference between the kill points and objectives but the fact that as there are now 3 types of game and most tournaments are 4 games we have a problem...as I am assuming it is 2 objective-1 Kill Point for a reason?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 25, 2008, 06:46:15 AM
Gentlemen
you have 6 days left till the ticket price goes open to all and changes to £9.00  

At present we have

Nynk
Evil_Toast
DarkFex [non 40KO member]
huckles
Verfeld - Chuckles
Jonik  :-\
Teg
Premethus
vrykolakas_666
Gonzon
SpikyGrint(non 40KO Memeber]
MacV :)

All paid up 12

I've a few other IOU's but not fully booked yet
Erriond/gOOgle + co and a few BFG'er


Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 25, 2008, 06:49:02 AM
Urm.... I was one of the first 3... and have paid fully up front. Mistake?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on July 25, 2008, 07:02:31 AM
Urm.... I was one of the first 3... and have paid fully up front. Mistake?
No, it's just Dan's hyper-advanced (read: dodgy) business sense.  ;D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 25, 2008, 07:11:43 AM
Urm.... I was one of the first 3... and have paid fully up front. Mistake?

Sorry the J fell off :)
 corrected

Urm.... I was one of the first 3... and have paid fully up front. Mistake?
No, it's just Dan's hyper-advanced (read: dodgy) business sense.  ;D

What do you mean

only because we charge you a 7.00 a night fee and let you win  :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 25, 2008, 07:26:56 AM
Lol compared to the amount Teg pays each week to loose seems like a bargin mate  ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 25, 2008, 07:51:12 AM
You see... my name isn't Oink with a J... hence it looked like Oink had paid, and not me.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 25, 2008, 08:11:27 AM
Mac's dyslexia strikes again

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 25, 2008, 08:13:52 AM
Strangely its happened before on this thread, starting rumours of a lovechild between oink and myself.... ;)

Which I deny!

...

¬¬
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 25, 2008, 08:25:07 AM
Strangely its happened before on this thread, starting rumours of a lovechild between oink and myself.... ;)

Which I deny!

...

¬¬


ah but does oink deny it
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 25, 2008, 02:27:20 PM
not to be pedantic but you seem to have counted chuckles and myself as one person..... :S
lol there are 13 ppl paid up
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 25, 2008, 03:13:25 PM
not to be pedantic but you seem to have counted chuckles and myself as one person..... :S
lol there are 13 ppl paid up

nah just missed the "c" off chuckles

I just took the note that was on the pay pal
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on July 25, 2008, 06:09:36 PM
I am struck from the list!  Unless I'm Nynk?

Why MacVurrish, you and your crahotive spulleng!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 25, 2008, 06:55:00 PM
Mc V doesn't do editing thats what he pays the plebs for ;D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 26, 2008, 07:06:34 AM
I am struck from the list!  Unless I'm Nynk?

Why MacVurrish, you and your crahotive spulleng!

ME GOING HOME



At present we have

Nny
Evil_Toast
DarkFex [non 40KO member]
huckles
Verfeld - Chuckles
Jonik  :-\
Teg
Premethus
vrykolakas_666
Gonzon
SpikyGrint(non 40KO Memeber]
MucV :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on July 26, 2008, 08:37:43 AM
Comparative to the previous list you had up, Oink; Erriond; gOOgle and Andy V seem to have slipped from existence.

http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=161324.msg2004228#msg2004228
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 26, 2008, 09:09:36 AM
Oink was infact meant to be me.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on July 26, 2008, 11:13:57 AM
Note to self, send money...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 26, 2008, 11:32:05 AM
hey guys sorry but i've changed my name from Verfeld to the one thats being used now, im payed and coming but wanted to  change my profile name

cheers
Dave
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 26, 2008, 02:55:15 PM
hey guys sorry but i've changed my name from Verfeld to the one thats being used now, im payed and coming but wanted to  change my profile name

cheers
Dave

Ok from Mr awkard here :)
the other that are not on the list - andy V , gOOgle, oink, erriond  etc
have booked but not yet given me their first born so their souls are still  forfit :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 28, 2008, 04:42:56 AM
erriond is paying up my ticket Mac... along with dave (aka Hawaiianzombie)... whenever he gets back to blighty...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on July 28, 2008, 04:45:50 AM
3Days to go for cut price tickets....lol  ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 28, 2008, 05:37:52 AM
erriond is paying up my ticket Mac... along with dave (aka Hawaiianzombie)... whenever he gets back to blighty...

yep that's been booked so that's ok
though I forgot about Dave - I try my hardest but he always there :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on July 28, 2008, 10:39:21 AM
erriond is paying up my ticket Mac... along with dave (aka Hawaiianzombie)... whenever he gets back to blighty...

Do you think if we just ignore it long enough he'll forget to make us pay him back?

though I forgot about Dave - I try my hardest but he always there :)

It's like I am the flu and you are a guy with no immune system...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 28, 2008, 11:02:14 AM
Do you think if we just ignore it long enough he'll forget to make us pay him back?

im willing to try. (jeez, how cheap are we!)



oh well - its so friggin hot - how am i supposed to sit still long enough to get any painting done!?

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 28, 2008, 12:49:47 PM
perhaps by wearing the same outfit as the lil southpark guy in your avatar  :o
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 29, 2008, 05:47:05 AM
thats a self portrait i'll have you know... if it turned out that i was a character from south park that is.

oh well, didnt get ANY painting done - but got a couple of bases sanded etc... still got quite a bit to do - including a couple of tanks. ah - man - they take me like a week each.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 29, 2008, 07:48:16 AM
thats a self portrait i'll have you know... if it turned out that i was a character from south park that is.

Shirley, you Kenny :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on July 29, 2008, 07:56:15 AM
Only my commander to base now. Probably going to stick with 25mm rather than doing a 40mm scenic....
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 29, 2008, 08:47:19 AM
thats a self portrait i'll have you know... if it turned out that i was a character from south park that is.

Shirley, you Kenny :)

nah, not kenny... else i wont survive long...



... and don't call me shirley.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 29, 2008, 10:49:43 AM
point being !!!

just don't bring your Titan unless there no Tau about ;P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on July 29, 2008, 11:52:33 AM
jeez... you get your super advanced, ultra killy, rather sexy looking eldar titan blown once up by some Tau and then never hear the end of it...


 ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 29, 2008, 11:56:33 AM
sorry to be a total pain in the wossname again guys but i was asked by a moderator to change my name as it was quite close to the mark
so this is my name now and will be stayin this way for ages
it might be easier to write it down as chuckles + 1 lmao
see you guys in 3 weeks :D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on July 31, 2008, 11:36:19 AM
LAST day to get prebooked at £7.00
as of Tomorrow it £9.00
paypal still accepted
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on July 31, 2008, 05:27:40 PM
so the tournies comin up and i me and chuckles were wndering who'll be there the night before and would fancy a pub crawl?
basically we're within a reasonable driving distance and as such if no one fancies it we'll save money on a B&B and drive down the saturday mornin
cheers
ps he's on hols atm so im askin on his behalf
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on July 31, 2008, 06:56:48 PM
The money I paid earlier today was to cover Hymirl, because he's lazy and can't comprehend plastic banking.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 1, 2008, 04:37:17 AM
The money I paid earlier today was to cover Hymirl, because he's lazy and can't comprehend plastic banking.

go it
cheers

pub crawl - well I be down there so I can count myself in
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 1, 2008, 09:25:33 AM
Ok
as slight detour I REALLY NEED
gOOgle
and Erriond to get in touch with me ASAP re Games Day by the 8th LATEST
I emailed them but if their emial down and only suffering boards ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 1, 2008, 11:35:29 AM
Sorry Mac -- just got back from California today. Let me catch up with the six thousand emails I seem to have in my inbox and I'll get back ASAP. Graduating from university and everything that comes after it gets in the way of everything...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 1, 2008, 12:05:46 PM
Sorry Mac -- just got back from California today. Let me catch up with the six thousand emails I seem to have in my inbox and I'll get back ASAP. Graduating from university and everything that comes after it gets in the way of everything...

No Prob
Just GW harrassing
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on August 1, 2008, 12:10:26 PM
The money I paid earlier today was to cover Hymirl, because he's lazy and can't comprehend plastic banking.

Indeed. Palpal is too complex for the likes of me.... :'(
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 1, 2008, 12:12:14 PM
okay guys, so, by my count we have only 12 places left (see first post)...

i think i might be having 2 additional chaps coming along with me - but they are unsure so will have to turn up on the day (praying)... ive also given details to another mate (dennis from last time) though i dunno if he is or is not planning to come?!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 1, 2008, 12:17:12 PM
on another note, have there been any alterations to the rules pack based on anything which may or may not have come up on the rules forums?
also will there be a series of "house rules" to speed up the tournament for all the things which have the RAW vs RAI arguments raging all over the place
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on August 1, 2008, 03:19:14 PM
Ok
as slight detour I REALLY NEED
gOOgle
and Erriond to get in touch with me ASAP re Games Day by the 8th LATEST
I emailed them but if their emial down and only suffering boards ?

Me and Erriond should actually be coming up to you guys at Braknel on Monday so you'll get to speak to him then if he hasn't graced the internet with his presence beforehand  ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 1, 2008, 03:41:19 PM
Ok
as slight detour I REALLY NEED
gOOgle
and Erriond to get in touch with me ASAP re Games Day by the 8th LATEST
I emailed them but if their emial down and only suffering boards ?

Me and Erriond should actually be coming up to you guys at Braknel on Monday so you'll get to speak to him then if he hasn't graced the internet with his presence beforehand  ::)

ahh cool
just a quick note (it should be Errionds email)
the club is running a challegne monday 1st monday of Month
this monday bring a 1000 40k points army and swap with another players army
though will have the usuall games for those not adventrous enough

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 3, 2008, 03:30:47 PM
Hey Mac, I will see you tomorrow to talk Games day and tickets etc. Sorry that I have been so poor with the replys, I have time again now though!

Oink, Google, do you two fancy Bracknell tomorrow? Will PM you both.

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 4, 2008, 08:51:37 AM
not able this monday - but perhaps next monday - need to see on workload.

mac -
can you pm me an updated list of those attending so i can make sure the front page list is up to date with the number of tickets etc.




is everyone set!?

its about this time you all change your lists and realise you have to paint half your army up again because of it...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 4, 2008, 09:01:24 AM
not able this monday - but perhaps next monday - need to see on workload.

mac -
can you pm me an updated list of those attending so i can make sure the front page list is up to date with the number of tickets etc.
Paint, Paint, paint, no one said I had to have my greenskins painted, I got to go and get some brushes now, who said anything about apint (:) dyslexia helps at times),
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 6, 2008, 06:09:22 AM
Hey Oink, I got your ticket on monday mate.

I'm now sat staring at 10 unpainted Dire Avengers and I have lost all will to paint them... Bored!

I had a game on Monday against David and it went really well, 3 Prisms has got to be more cheesey than 3 falcons... It suits me. Don't worry this is the last tournament that they will see as the guard should be ready for the next one, unless they get a new codex and my list becomes void... best not to think about that!

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on August 6, 2008, 06:34:59 AM
Vive la Guard!!

Soon there should be more guard players than marines ;)

heheheheheh...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on August 6, 2008, 10:43:19 AM
yes guard is the way 2 go
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 6, 2008, 10:48:47 AM
HAHA!

we will fight them on the beaches!

looks like guard are going to be out in force - though i also hear there are going to be a fair few marine players too! looks like there is going to be a horribly annoying spread of army types - making it difficult to push your weapon choices in one direction!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Sergant Alexi on August 6, 2008, 11:21:52 AM
Dammit I am on Holiday again!  Miss it by a day the hidiousy, I've been out of the loop a long time this means that I got to get back in wipe the dust from my guard.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 6, 2008, 11:33:24 AM
Ahh the quandary of a guardsmen...to die by the numberless hordes or power armour wearing super soldiers...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 6, 2008, 11:34:24 AM
if i was a guardsman i would want to die against tau - which are neither of the above... of course, i would rather NOT actually die - and would ultimately subject myself to the Greater Good.


...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 6, 2008, 11:37:33 AM
Going on the Tau battle suit spam armies I faced last two tornies I would say they fall in power armour type super soldiers..... :o
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 6, 2008, 03:48:01 PM
if i was a guardsman i would want to die against tau - which are neither of the above... of course, i would rather NOT actually die - and would ultimately subject myself to the Greater Good.


...

If you make it that far ....

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n178/wardagger/motivatorbakaw.jpg)

Going on the Tau battle suit spam armies I faced last two tornies I would say they fall in power armour type super soldiers..... :o

I hardly call my 7 XV8's and 2 XV88's " Battlesuit spam " . Wait till I pull a Farsight village out  , something along the lines of 15+ suits  :D.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 6, 2008, 04:34:49 PM
Quote
40k is the only place where the chicken eats YOU
also communist Russia :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 7, 2008, 09:03:49 AM
Evil_Toast, I feel inclined to inform you that Premetheus faced my Farsight Village some tournaments ago which involved 18 Battlesuits and 1 Broadside. I would call that Battlesuit spam.

I'm very tempted to bring them again, who needs to claim Objectives if your enemy is wiped off the board? :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 7, 2008, 09:21:08 AM
with the new outflank move the farsight lists like those just arent quite as safe as they used to be (besides being horribly out of character to boot)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on August 7, 2008, 09:43:10 AM
Evil_Toast, I feel inclined to inform you that Premetheus faced my Farsight Village some tournaments ago which involved 18 Battlesuits and 1 Broadside. I would call that Battlesuit spam.

Mwahahahahahaha Banshee Exarch....
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 7, 2008, 10:06:56 AM
Ha yeah and I had no indirect fire weapons  :'(
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 7, 2008, 11:38:21 AM
Google, feel free to take the battle suit army, we could have some great fun! It is a lot harder to hide in the new rules!

I have almsot finished painting the Autarch and the Avenger exarch is done! For some reason I seem to have started on guard... They are more interesting than more eldar. They are also really quick to paint with the new foundation paints and the new washes. Both are amazing, seriously the best things GW have some up with since changing the paint pots from the ones that dry out the second you look at them. I might even have those 100 guardsmen painted by the next tournament in easter :)

How is everyone else coming along? Does anyone have a list of people attending?

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 7, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
i got some boyz a trukk and one or two other things like my objective markers left to do, should get them done in time
not sure but i think an up to date list is on the first page isnt it?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 7, 2008, 12:41:26 PM
theres a list in teh first post erriond... (only of those paid)... i spoke to dennis via e-mail though... and he said that he thinks he will most definately be coming, along with about +3/4 others perhaps.

thats three or four, not 3 quarters of someone else.


also erriond - i havent had a chance to drop off the fire prisms to your house yet, i will hopefully get to do it tonight.




Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 7, 2008, 01:06:04 PM

also erriond - i havent had a chance to drop off the fire prisms to your house yet, i will hopefully get to do it tonight.


ALL POINT BUILTIN


Nobble O:nk

he must not deploy Fire Prism - (erriond army is nasty as it is )

Repeat catch that O:nk

:)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on August 7, 2008, 01:07:45 PM
You'd be better of intercepting Errionds dice to be honest the armies only really nasty due to his utter inability to scatter badly!

....or just steal his lucky Monopoly piece.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on August 7, 2008, 01:33:18 PM
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I might even have those 100 guardsmen painted by the next tournament in easter

Yeah right! ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 8, 2008, 05:54:51 AM
slight of topic but as guard are up
and GW no longer make the metal Praetorian Imperial Guard :(
for those Green Stuff addicts
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/AnnouncementRetrieve.aspx?ID=16056
with a little bit of this and a liitle bit of that
:)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 11, 2008, 02:02:57 AM
How many places left for this little shindig ? May possibly have 2 more warm Chaos worshipping  bodies available for this . 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 11, 2008, 04:29:52 AM
from my count (the front page) we have 10 places left... you may have two, i might have a +1 and another person i spoke to said he will try to come with one or two others...

looks like we will be pretty close to a full house...

less than a week to go now...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 11, 2008, 04:36:28 AM
Also may have a couple extra from the club will find out tonight.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 11, 2008, 05:01:23 AM
Wow, more people... Good stuff!

I still have way too much to paint... Everything is made and sprayed black though... thats good right?

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 11, 2008, 07:20:15 AM
current -paid list 

josh (sorry - haven't got his handle)
josh + brother
Hymirl.
Vrykolakas_666
SpikyGrint
Nynk
Evil_Toast
DarkFex [non 40KO member]
Premtheus
Mac
Chuckles
Verfeld - Chuckles
Vrykolakas_666
Gonzon
Teg
Oink
Erriond
Hawaiian Zombie
Joink
gOOgle
BigBen (BFG)
Iain (ho handle again)

total 17

plus 2 other possibles

though we can make more room is needed
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 11, 2008, 08:07:18 AM
Errr does that not add up to 22?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 11, 2008, 08:20:41 AM
yes but vrykolakas_666 seems to be on the list twice....
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 11, 2008, 08:25:28 AM
i think thats because he paid for one of his friends...

ah, iain paid! right - his 40Konline handle is: evilmonkey.

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 11, 2008, 11:52:55 AM
Also what happens if someone fields models deliberately to aid LOS such as whole squad kneeling etc????
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 11, 2008, 12:16:43 PM
has anyone had time to remodel their army to take advantage of such things in the new rules?
its an interesting question tho  :-\
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on August 11, 2008, 12:20:58 PM
Also what happens if someone fields models deliberately to aid LOS such as whole squad kneeling etc?
I'd say you'd use LOS assuming the model(s) is(are) posed normally. Thus, if you have a squad kneeling, you'd treat them as though they were standing.

PS: Have sent you a PM regarding the planks.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 11, 2008, 12:42:07 PM
i've been playing "true LOS with common sense"... where a model can draw LOS from where his head "could feasably" be... so thats from the ground of his feet (laying down) to the height if they were standing...

it just represents that my models arent static...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 11, 2008, 12:43:55 PM
so is that how we're gunna do it saturday?
house rule it to use common sense
i can already feel GW having an fit lol  :P

"i sense a disturbance, somewhere someone is trying to combine our rules with...... common sense......"
DUM DUM DUM
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 11, 2008, 01:00:40 PM
yes it was 22 - fumes from the modellin the snowfor GD have got to me :)
but it's now23 as Bill booked

I agree with CS - LOS (common sense) else all those SM back banners are going along with my dioramed model jumping over obstacles , and in comes all those camo cloaked ground hugging kommando style hunched figures
++ here whats that lump of painted green stuff/blob with an ead ?

it's my Mega Armoured Warboss croutching down andtying his shoelace :)++
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 11, 2008, 01:42:45 PM
I've updated the first post list to show our newest attendees... and show that we now only have 7 places left open.

at this point, i want to just confirm the time to start - we are looking at a 9:00am start right!? (Dan / Erriond)... so that means that the first game is to start at that time - in order to help things go smoothly we would want everyone there and raring to go at least 15mins prior... so grab your morning coffees...

Dan - have you guys got set up organised? I volunteer Erriond to head down early to give you a hand if you need it!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on August 11, 2008, 01:51:22 PM
Also what happens if someone fields models deliberately to aid LOS such as whole squad kneeling etc????

They get the piss taken out of them forever and are branded a failure of epic proportions.

I seriously doubt that it would really happen, just like how no-one really builds battlewagons 1" long and 24" wide so they can rotate 90 degrees and assualt of the side that is now in the enemy deployment zone on turn one. The whole "OMG models all all be lying down hugging their arms! 40K is ruined!" is nothing but scaremongering... no different from the crying that occoured when 4th edition came out...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on August 11, 2008, 03:48:47 PM
Dan - have you guys got set up organised? I volunteer Erriond to head down early to give you a hand if you need it!

Careful now your risking directly affecting what time I have to wake up in the morning  >:(
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on August 11, 2008, 05:12:15 PM
yes it was 22 - fumes from the modellin the snowfor GD have got to me :)
but it's now23 as Bill booked

I agree with CS - LOS (common sense) else all those SM back banners are going along with my dioramed model jumping over obstacles , and in comes all those camo cloaked ground hugging kommando style hunched figures
++ here whats that lump of painted green stuff/blob with an ead ?

it's my Mega Armoured Warboss croutching down andtying his shoelace :)++


Banners and stuff aren't affected by the LoS rules anyway.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 12, 2008, 04:38:12 AM
Oink how many of us are going from North London, how many cars do we need (Yes that is a blatant attempt to make you drive... :) I'm really impressed that we have so many confirmed people. Good stuff!

As for true line of sight the rules are pretty clear and pretty good. You draw line of sight from the eyes of the firing model to any part of the body of the target; feet, legs, torso, arms, head. That does not include banner or gun barrel or spiky bits!

The rules also state you get a cover save if even the smallest part of that model is in cover (Just the legs!) as models are assumed to hug the cover. I find that this actually makes kneeling models a disadvantage as you often find your own line of sight obscured as well but there is very little terrain that can hide all of a while squad in this way.

Does that make sense? Hawaiian Zombie and I have found that it is very easy to get a cover save so don't be tooo picky about it, be nice about it and your opponent will extend you the same kindness when its their turn.

While it occurs to me, models that "go to ground" stilll remain standing for line of sight purposes!

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 12, 2008, 05:15:54 AM
dont worry i will be driving...

i will be picking up josh and his brother from cricklewood and iain from finchley (if he gets back to me!) on teh way - so i wont meet you at yours in the morning... i'll see you at bracknell.

how long does it normally take you to get there - only driven once or twice & i cant remember!!!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 12, 2008, 06:33:32 AM
Painting is going slower than expected... Oink, can Dave borrow a sky ray and 6 pathfinders? You should open "Oink, rent-a-model" Cheers dude.

Erriond



- oh craps - i've spent most of the morning putting together & modifying the Big Tau list & ive clicked the wrong button and deleted half your post! lol... communism at its finest - oink
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 12, 2008, 06:37:09 AM
It was more for the look my guys on a rock / insert suitibly epic pose (jump infanty types) where they end up being 3 inch taller (exageration maybe).

As for set up...my g/f is going somewhere at ridiculous o'clock so i will be there from 7:30 setting up suitible awsome looking boards with what scenary we have, anyone is welcome to join me from then if they are helping out.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 12, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
lets get this right this time:



- ah, okay - and they are all painted to damn it.


as for my army - im so agonisingly close to having it all in a finished state!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 12, 2008, 09:34:04 AM
lets get this right this time:



- ah, okay - and they are all painted to damn it.


as for my army - im so agonisingly close to having it all in a finished state!

Wow! Go Oink. Playing with a painted army? I'm amazed. Hopefully the fire prisms and the autarch will be done by today leaving only 9 dire avengers... I will get there...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 12, 2008, 10:47:27 AM
Mac's supposed to be picking me up sometime Saturday morning so we will be over there setting boards up.

Rest assured this means I'm there to supervise 'normal' looking boards. I hope.

It's looking like Necrons for me at the moment, but I'm still really not convinced due to the new combat rules and the way my army operates...

Have we decided on a scoring system or are we just going to botch something up in the morning?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 12, 2008, 11:42:33 AM
I have a scoring system Google.

We will be playing missions from the book, as they are but holding an objective will give you 300 VPs and each kill point is worth 150VPs


We will play Take Ground (I think that is the mission name, I don't have the book on me, please correct me if I am wrong) all three types of set up and we will play Annihilation using the Pitch Battle deployment . We will be playing the objective missions with 5 objectives (if it was random then it would be unfair) and we won't play the 2 objective missions as it is too easy to force a draw.

Victory points will be used to calculate the victor as per a set system:
A VP difference between players of 150 points or less gives both players 3 tournament points
A VP difference between players of 151-300 points is 4 tournament points for the winner and 2 tournament points for the loser.
A VP difference between players of 301-600 points is a 5 tournament points for the winner and 1 tournament point for the loser.
A VP difference between players of 601+ points is 6 tournament points for the winner and no tournament points for the loser.

This makes it pretty hard to totally wipe the floor with your opponent and VPs will decide places in the case of a draw.

Erriond
 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 12, 2008, 11:46:20 AM
(psst... Erriond - don't tell him or he'll just gear an army to make th ebest out of the scoring system you decide  -  and dont let him change it part way through the tournament so that i come 5th again...)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on August 12, 2008, 12:04:43 PM
I have a scoring system Google.

We will be playing missions from the book, as they are but holding an objective will give you 300 VPs and each kill point is worth 150VPs


We will play Take Ground (I think that is the mission name, I don't have the book on me, please correct me if I am wrong) all three types of set up and we will play Annihilation using the Pitch Battle deployment . We will be playing the objective missions with 5 objectives (if it was random then it would be unfair) and we won't play the 2 objective missions as it is too easy to force a draw.

Victory points will be used to calculate the victor as per a set system:
A VP difference between players of 150 points or less gives both players 3 tournament points
A VP difference between players of 151-300 points is 4 tournament points for the winner and 2 tournament points for the loser.
A VP difference between players of 301-600 points is a 5 tournament points for the winner and 1 tournament point for the loser.
A VP difference between players of 601+ points is 6 tournament points for the winner and no tournament points for the loser.

This makes it pretty hard to totally wipe the floor with your opponent and VPs will decide places in the case of a draw.

Erriond
Since those values aren't actually tied to real VP, wouldn't it be easier to divide them all by 150?

1pt per KP, 2 per objective.
0-1pt diff  = 3/3tp each
2pts diff= 4/2tp
3-4pts  = 5/1tp
5+pts   = 6/0tp

Easier to understand, I think.

Whether you divide by 150 or not, for objective missions it translates as:
0obj diff = 3/3tp
1obj diff = 4/2tp
2objs diff = 5/1tp
3+objs diff = 6/0tp
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 12, 2008, 02:03:50 PM

Wow! Go Oink. Playing with a painted army? I'm amazed.

it does mean that i will lose all my games immediately...  :'(
Oink

how do you spell you whole name so that I can get it  pre printed on the wooden spoon certificate
;P


gOOgle won't let me do one of my "special tables"
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on August 12, 2008, 05:55:29 PM
Your luck can't be worse than Dave's, the dice god has been well and truely defecating all over him for the past few weeks...

Seriously man stop telling people, it isn't funny. I don't see how someone can roll 1's for every single disruption pod roll over 2 games. The probability is statistically irrelevent  :-\
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 12, 2008, 05:59:00 PM
you say that, i once managed twenty one's on 24 dice playing with my empire many moons ago (they had a picture of it on the GW wall for years lol)
it'll pass, trust me ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 13, 2008, 04:35:04 AM
What is the ruling we are going with on disruption pods and barrage weapons? as its a long thread and still little consensus.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 13, 2008, 08:30:58 AM
What is the ruling we are going with on disruption pods and barrage weapons? as its a long thread and still little consensus.

Interesting . 19 people say the range is not measured from the hole , 1 says it is . Democracy lays a precedent here and I think it would be a safe bet to go with the majority .

Just because its a long thread does not mean its a complicated , involved and sticky rule . Just that some people will defend their wrong point of view till hell freezes over .
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 13, 2008, 08:44:11 AM
I agree with Toast with that ruling, it's simple and uncomplicated as well.

Quote
I've got 2 or 3k of dark angels or templars, I've even got enough DE for another 1500 - but you wouldn't need that many DE

Bill, I'm thinking of taking my Deathwing however I haven't converted some Assault Cannons and Cyclones back to Storm Bolters and Powerfists, would you be able to bring maybe a squad or two just incase I can't get them done in time? I'm going to try and get it done in the next few days, but you never know what might stop that from happening...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: -bill- on August 13, 2008, 11:40:44 AM
3 x 5 man squads and a librarian panted up plus 5 more just undercoated - I'll bring them along
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on August 13, 2008, 10:54:12 PM
Well, I've painted up the last White Scar I needed done (apart from a borrowed missile launcher from the marine army which I'm not bringing because infiltrating devestators is a bit bent). This time, the boys are ready to roll...

Um, where is this place by the way? Read the front page...

Also I have a maybe on taking a guest with me, hes asking if theres spaces going (it says 7 on the front page but wanted to check).
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 14, 2008, 04:26:53 AM
as far as im aware that list is up to date as of this post...

im also know of a friend that might be coming - and may be bringing along a couple of others... so there should be enough space! i think mac mentioned that they might be able to squeeze out another table if necessary...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 14, 2008, 06:29:07 AM
ha that will teach me to read a whole thread but you're responce was far quicker thank you. Evil_Toast.

extra table will be a squeeze but it is more to do with scenery I think and its scarcity.....alread y pushing it to do 15 tables to a good standard.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 14, 2008, 07:25:18 AM
As Mac is picking me up (aren't you, Mac?!) I may bring some of my scenery along as I am probably capable of covering maybe two, possibly three, boards with my collection alone.

But we'll see...

My Deathwing survived 5th edition conversion butchery yesterday (had to re-model half my heavy weapons :(). It's now just a case of whether I can convert an apothecary in time or change the list around a little more...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 14, 2008, 08:20:35 AM
Ok that sounds good nothing worse than a sparsely filled board, if boards look good adds to the overall atmosphere of the tournament.

What time you guys turning up? reckon I will have about 5-7 boards set up by around 8am.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: MacVurrich on August 14, 2008, 09:56:44 AM
Just update
ISP has mucked my accoutn up so I'm on the old Libary email lark
any update you need from me contact the club (or those that have it my own ) mobile see you guys Saturday

gOOgle 5:30 ok :)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 14, 2008, 10:11:19 AM
hey guys quick FYI, me an chuckles are driving down early sat mornin so we wont be able to help set up r anythin
see you there @ approx 9am
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 14, 2008, 10:34:40 AM
ill hopefully be there (+3 = josh, joshs' bro & iain) at around 8:45 if all goes to plan...

in other news i took the "no going back step" on my last tank this morning... that means i have a few slots of hard painting with a detail brush (dont say it) all over my tank with kommando khaki to get it to fully painted order...

barring a few final layers on about 5 bases thats all thats left for a fully painted force...

until i change the list friday night of course.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 14, 2008, 12:21:05 PM
a fully painted force...

I think I read about this somewhere ( Henlein ? Asimov ? Heat magazine ? ) . Please refresh my memory as to the above statements origin . 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 14, 2008, 01:40:36 PM
doesnt it refer to that fabled collection of models, lost since biblical times in which
"all thy models are painted and unto them thou shalt include suitable bases for them to battle upon, yea so shalt thee aspire to emulate, but never shalt thou succeed"
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 14, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
Ah , yes , the Old Testament ( the Dead Sea scrolls , not the King James hatchet job ) . If memory serves it mentions early on " And on the 8th day God built and painted a 1500 point Space Marine army , and went forth and P@wnd some n00bs ,  and it was good " .   
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 14, 2008, 02:13:06 PM
alas the devil, cunning fox that he is...
"and on the 8th day, about teatime the devil fashioned the bane of all modellers and forced it into the psyche of all gamers, the inability to overlook anything new.....
and said the gamer "ooooo shiney..........""
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 14, 2008, 02:17:05 PM
Judging by the old "F@lconz r t3h h@XxX0rZzzZZ / F@lconz r t3h r0XxxXoRzzzZZ !!11!1one!!1! " threads of 4th , always pegged the devil as an Eldar player myself .

As a sculptor , Capt Cortez ( Crimson Fist dog turd character ...  :-\ ) must be his work . Also the entire DE range of models . Except their Special Characters , Chuck Norris made those .   
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 14, 2008, 02:22:03 PM
nah
with all the shiney they get beelzebub has to be a SMurfs player
i mean it makes sense doesnt it
GW are in financial trouble so they sell a few more of our souls to Satan and he produces a new marines dex for them to make us part with our cash :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 14, 2008, 02:33:41 PM
Its called marketing . Selling to kids is easy .  (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QocdNmlNuQk) Nothing to overtly evil , just the pure fact human beings are sheep ...

Anus Shells on the other hand . This is something that dresses up in a Gestapo uniform at night and tortures kittens to unwind . Clearly something the Red Guy takes credit for . Most likely the best weapon he ever gave to Forge World ( the real place where us geeks sell our kids to ...)   
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 14, 2008, 02:50:56 PM
Teg it appears your system is far to simple and easy to use and will work far too well... As a result all memory of it must be destroyed, are you trying to make things work around here man!?

Hehe... Yes we will use that system. good call!

Nice biblical quotes by the way guys...

I have a whole 9 avengers and a bit of a prism turret to go. Then I have to base stuff and glue the turrets together, convert a third turret and finally paint 3 scatter lasers... So realisticly nothing at all will get done... But the rest of the army is pretty!

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 14, 2008, 02:55:22 PM
update:
i got my objective markers sorted today so now all i got left is 3/4 of 12 shoota boys to paint and then base and im done
should get that done tomorrow as i made sure i had the day off work lol
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on August 14, 2008, 04:29:42 PM
Also the forgotton 11th commandement was obviously: "thou shalt not buy more models until thou has finished painting existing ones". I reckon something new and shiny came out and Moses just threw the tablet with that one into the sea and pretended it never existed...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on August 14, 2008, 05:37:38 PM
Just calculated, I have 41 models left to do.

.
..
...

Jaysus
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 14, 2008, 05:50:31 PM
well i can give you a hand when my orks are done tomorro mate :P
then we can paint some models ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 14, 2008, 06:01:56 PM
so close.... nearly there...

but oh so little time left.... need sleep... have work... must.... finish.... painting...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 14, 2008, 06:48:58 PM
I'm doing all mine tomorrow :P

Who's with me?!

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 14, 2008, 06:51:43 PM
I'm doing all mine tomorrow :P

Who's with me?!


chuckles!!  ;D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on August 14, 2008, 07:09:43 PM
Okay you know what, next time, everyone else can trek Europe's toughest trail right before a tourney and I can sit back and re-read mightygodking's Civil War re-write
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 05:18:23 AM
FOR THE WIN!!!!!

one fully painted 1500pt army guard army... +1day.
3 case trays of glorious painted guardsmen!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Rathstar on August 15, 2008, 05:22:38 AM

Congrats on finishing the painting.

Just checking the front page is up to date and there are still places left ?

I'm tempted to pop along (and there's a slim chance I may be able to convince 2 friends to come along as well).  Would the best thing be to just pay via Paypal on the BFG website (adding a bit extra to cover the paypal fees) ?

Thanks

Rathstar
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on August 15, 2008, 05:28:45 AM

Congrats on finishing the painting.

Just checking the front page is up to date and there are still places left ?

I'm tempted to pop along (and there's a slim chance I may be able to convince 2 friends to come along as well).  Would the best thing be to just pay via Paypal on the BFG website (adding a bit extra to cover the paypal fees) ?

Thanks

Rathstar
I think it'd be easier just to pay at the door, considering the event is tomorrow!  :)

EDIT: That's if there are enough places left.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 15, 2008, 05:37:51 AM
Best to use paypal as guarantees places then as there are few people thinking about just turning up.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 15, 2008, 05:49:08 AM

Congrats on finishing the painting.

Just checking the front page is up to date and there are still places left ?

I'm tempted to pop along (and there's a slim chance I may be able to convince 2 friends to come along as well).  Would the best thing be to just pay via Paypal on the BFG website (adding a bit extra to cover the paypal fees) ?

Thanks

Rathstar

Hi there,

As Premetheus said above about the money but if you just want to turn up and risk it by all means do. We have a good amount of space and we will sneak you in somewhere!

Oink: Well done sir! I will have to make some kind of special prize for you!

Mac: Can you make us 1st, 2nd and 3rd place certificates like last time please? And a best army one.

I have almost finished the second prism turret... Lots to do, must be off!

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 15, 2008, 06:07:16 AM
Do we have prizes also for 1st 2nd and 3rd place?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on August 15, 2008, 06:11:15 AM
Hey are you guys taking requests for match-ups in this thread?

If so I have two:
First, Naikee, you're mine be-atch.
Second, me and Dave/Warboss Changeyname are fairly regular opponents so it would be cool if we didn't play each other, since we've done it approximately 1,000,000,007 times.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 15, 2008, 07:53:24 AM
First, Naikee, you're mine be-atch.

He appears to be absent from this thread and the list of attendees . Unless you guys are using those silly "Real Life Names " ?

Second, me and Dave/Warboss Changeyname are fairly regular opponents so it would be cool if we didn't play each other, since we've done it approximately 1,000,000,007 times.

Ditto for me and Rob please . Of course after game 2 all bets are off  >:( !
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 08:12:28 AM
No worries about seeding the matches, we can guarantee you won't play a regular opponent in the first two rounds, but as mentioned already, all bets are off after that!

Undoubtedly you'll see me and Erriond vigorously debating (arguing) tomorrow morning how we should go about setting the matches up and who should be seeded and what not. But don't worry, he often submits to me quickly enough and things will flow smoothly (ish) from there.

Time to get the painting table out.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 08:32:41 AM
Time to get the painting table out.

hah... less than 24hours to go! and NOW you want to get painting?

(students)

also, Naikee is not attending this tourney - hes being a rich boy off on holiday.


seeding? you could always go with a previous tourney results type method... ? but then some might see seeding as an unfair way to create an outcome... ??
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 15, 2008, 08:35:44 AM
How could it be viewed as unfair/manipulative ? Game 1 & 2 random opponents . Game 3 & 4 you play against someone of equal skill IE 1st vs 2nd , 3rd vs 4th etc ?

To me this prevents a good player " luckily" playing against someone with 2 games under their belt . Hardly fair for any parties involved . 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 08:40:41 AM
but seeding doesnt do that... seeding is supposed to be where a good player avoids playing another good player early on.

doesnt it??? im thinking like tennis here...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 08:52:19 AM
We've tried to implement a seeding system for the last few tournaments now, it just happens the way the games have been drawn we've very rarely implemented it. Me and Erriond just go on our best judgment of the results from the last tournaments and what we've witnessed and wing it from there really. Works out pretty well usually.

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hah... less than 24hours to go! and NOW you want to get painting?

(students)


Graduate now I'll have you know!

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How could it be viewed as unfair/manipulative ? Game 1 & 2 random opponents . Game 3 & 4 you play against someone of equal skill IE 1st vs 2nd , 3rd vs 4th etc ?

Well, the point is that game 1 + 2 might not necessarily be entirely random. The main reason for it is because, generally speaking, the people that finish the tournament in the top tier are usually regular attendees (Bill, Erriond, Oink, myself, amongst others) so we play each other often enough anyway so seed it slightly so we don't play each other in the first two games.

The main point is, we'll make sure you'll not be playing a regular opponent in the first two rounds.

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Rathstar on August 15, 2008, 09:18:39 AM
Hi,

I think seeding (where top players don't play each other) may be bit unfair, as it likely to give the top players easier first games.

I think the first round should be random (apart from reqular opponents not playing each other, and people that want to play each other).  The second round should be the usual system of 1st vs 2nd, 3rd vs 4th (apart from reqular opponents don't play each other.  Rounds 3 and 4 should be 1st vs 2nd, 3rd vs 4th with no changes.

Having anything subjective (partiularly in later rounds) could led to bad feelings.  No-one can complain that they were robbed by a bad match-up if the rules are clearly laid out as 1st vs 2nd, 3rd vs 4th etc.

Rathstar
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 09:27:25 AM
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I think the first round should be random (apart from reqular opponents not playing each other, and people that want to play each other).  The second round should be the usual system of 1st vs 2nd, 3rd vs 4th (apart from reqular opponents don't play each other.  Rounds 3 and 4 should be 1st vs 2nd, 3rd vs 4th with no changes.

Having anything subjective (partiularly in later rounds) could led to bad feelings.  No-one can complain that they were robbed by a bad match-up if the rules are clearly laid out as 1st vs 2nd, 3rd vs 4th etc.

I shouldn't have mentioned 'seeding', I'm going to have people all worried now...

If it was only the first round random and the others not, it gives some people little hope of catching up if they had a particularly bad first game. So we keep the first two rounds as random as possible then do closest matches up possible for the last two rounds.

As you said, there'll be nothing subjective in the last two rounds as it would be unfair on everybody.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 15, 2008, 09:29:46 AM
Quote from: g00gle5
Undoubtedly you'll see me and Erriond vigorously debating (arguing) tomorrow morning how we should go about setting the matches up and who should be seeded and what not. But don't worry, he often submits to me quickly enough and things will flow smoothly (ish) from there.

Err was not half the point of pre booking to let you guys do all the arguing before turning up with an already made list of who plays who with any show up on the day people being slotted in?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 09:33:10 AM
Quote from: g00gle5
Err was not half the point of pre booking to let you guys do all the arguing before turning up with an already made list of who plays who with any show up on the day people being slotted in?

what he said... ?? if its possible to a degree...

the only issue might be that people turn up on the door (especially in pairs or more)- and would need someone different to play against... ??
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 09:54:39 AM
Good idea, I'll randomly draw all the confirmed now and modify it slightly tomorrow morning with people who turn up at the door.

I still have no idea when Mac is supposed to be picking me up tomorrow morning unless he was being serious with his 5:30 comment...



 





Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 15, 2008, 10:02:07 AM
Eek... Please please don't worry guys, we have run the same system the last 3 times and it has been fine! Google and I have got quite used to it now... This is how it works: Goolge if you can draw them now that would be great, don't post them up though... I will know if you cheat!

Round 1: Challanges (if you particularly want to play someone because you have never played them/lost last time this is the time to do it. Both players must agree to the challange) The rest of the group are them slpit in two with the gamers we consider "stronger" in one half everyone else in the other half. Games are then drawn randomly between these two groups. It is not done to give the seeded players and advantage it is done so that in theory the best and most challanging matches will occur later in the day. It also ensures that the scores are different enough to get a good range for the later rounds.

Round 2: This round is totally random except you can never play the same person twice in the day.

Round 3: First place will play second etc all the way down unless you have played before on the day.

Round 4: First place will play second etc all the way down unless you have played before on the day.

Just to remind you all while you have the last chance to change your lists we will use all 3 types of deployment in the day so you will encounter night fight and reserves. Please please read your rule book tonight as we are all new to these rules so we will not be able to give you as quick an answer as normal. Oink, Gooogle, Hawiian zombie and myself should be able to answer most rule questions between us but if in doubt roll a D6!

Firm prism turrets and scatter lasers down, just 9 avengers to go!

Erriond 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 10:08:18 AM
didnt you hear erriond... read page 63 of the rulebook - second paragraph - prism cannons are no longer allowed.

i suppose the early "seeding" helps to stop players you would expect to play later in the day playing in their first game - what we dont want is to play the same person twice.... its just so that the last few games are going to be the more tense ones - as you can more clearly see what is at stake...


of course - it doesnt often help me when i come along with yet another army that i dont think will be good enough to be winning...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 10:11:47 AM
And I'm sitting here painting my Deathwing that I have used once competitively (3rd edition codex, 4th edition rules) and only once with their new codex, and also 5th edition rules.

I consider myself in a worse boat than you :P

(check your messages, too)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Rathstar on August 15, 2008, 10:55:08 AM
The rest of the group are them slpit in two with the gamers we consider "stronger" in one half everyone else in the other half. Games are then drawn randomly between these two groups. It is not done to give the seeded players and advantage it is done so that in theory the best and most challanging matches will occur later in the day.

Fair enough, but how will you choose which group to put people you don't know in ?

If the deemed stronger players are quaranteed to play a player from the other group, aren't you giving the deemed stronger players an easier first game ?

If you were going to split the players into stronger and weaker, would it not be better to ensure the stronger players play each other in the first round and vice versa to give more challenging games, and then immediately switch to the 1st vs 2nd, 3rd vs 4th system for game 2 onwards.

The current system means that a deemed stronger player has a good chance of winning their first game, and a bit of luck would mean they could play a weak player in the second game giving them 2 easy wins for the first half of the tournament.

I think it's better to start the 1st vs 2nd, 3rd vs 4th system as early as possible to ensure that the best performing players play each other by the end of the day.

The last games of the day will always be tense with the top performing players playing each other, but I don't agree with any prejudging of who this should be, and making the first round easier for them to win their first game.

There will always be luck of the draw for the first round, but if a player gets lucky and plays a bad player and gets a really good win, switching to the 1st vs 2nd, 3rd vs 4th system straight away would mean they would have to play someone else who has got a big win, rather than having the chance of playing another bad player and being able to build up an unassailable lead in tournament vps (due to luck of the draw rather than good generalship against challenging opponents).

Obviously your tournament is well liked, and from what I can tell well run (you wouldn't be on the 7th tournament otherwise), but I just wanted to give my humble opinion on this aspect for your consideration.

Rathstar
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 11:01:51 AM
i thkn the problem we've had in the past is that the "best" players were playing each other with one round to go, rather than in teh final round (as seems right)...

the system of randomising the first games i think was initially introduced to stop this from happening - there were no preconceived ideas of who was better or worse... just randomness... then - after two games you have a better understanding of the standings and can get people playing people of the same or similar score... if you got unlucky and lost two early games then you will be then playing worse players, giving you teh chance to recover - if you got lucky twice, then you will start having to play tougher opponents - and things get evened out -

im not sure i agree with any ideas of matching up - though i think the first round ends up normally with a fair few grudge matches - which tend to be quite even... (by their very nature).

i vote randomness...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 15, 2008, 11:04:25 AM
I'm in total agreement with Prince Rathstar .

Every event I've been to has had round 1 random draw . After that its swiss system . If you play 1 chap twice , too bad . Next time play worse/better .

Out of curiosity ( honest answer please ) , which group would you place my friend in ?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 15, 2008, 11:11:00 AM
See never liked that myself should never have to play same opponent again when there are 30 people playing or more that is just lazy organisation.

Also on a side note was not the pre booking thing so that you could pre arrange both of the first two games thus saving valuable time to play games in?

Due to the fact we may start late are on a tight schedule etc....? As most important thing is to play 4 games no?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 11:13:56 AM
hehe! you see - thats the problem with trying to "place" people... it doesnt cater for the new guys. giving them a better (or worse) chance!

id be happy with one random - i dont really know - google, erriond, whatya think?

that way we can sort out the first round NOW... and slot turner-uppers out on the day (mixing things up a little if we have to)...

then we will know clearly who will be playing who after that - so there will be little time wastage (particularly between rounds 1&2)...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 11:19:50 AM
Right, I've just randomized the first two rounds and have them printed off and I only changed one listing which was when O:nk and Erriond were drawn against each other.

I didn't seed anybody, I just changed the one match (as mentioned above) and I drew everything randomly and I even have contingency plans and a system to incorporate players that turn up at the door as smoothly as possible.

I guarantee you there will be some massacres in the first two rounds and I'll bet you more money that there will be even more incredibly close and tense games in the first two rounds.

I just want to point out, as we've stirred the broth a little here, is that Erriond and myself take it in our very best interests to make sure the day is as enjoyable as possible for everybody concerned and we've had quite a lot of experience in organising and hosting this tournament now  and we've found the system we are using at the moment has had the most success and makes the day run as smooth as possible. We also make sure that nobody plays the same person twice in one day, as despite this is a tournament, the main purpose of the day is to get together as a community and play as many different faces as possible. It may unhinge the tournament aspect incredibly slightly but it's something we are willing to give up so we can fulfill the main agenda.

As said already, I've drawn the first two rounds and I don't think anybody will be disappointed at who they are facing. Except maybe... no, no, I can't say :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 15, 2008, 11:26:58 AM
Nice one Google, thanks mate.

As Goolge said we strive to make it as fun as possible and I hope all so far have had a really good time. Tomorrow promises to be the larges and best tournament of all. I'm really looking forward to seeing new faces and having games against new armies.

Look forwar to seeing you all! Half way through 5 avengers...

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 11:29:37 AM
Right, I've just randomized the first two rounds and have them printed off and I only changed one listing which was when O:nk and Erriond were drawn against each other.

aint he lucky...

oh wait... i havent beaten erriond in quite some time now i think....



...lucky me.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Killing Time on August 15, 2008, 11:32:13 AM
Good luck for the day, fellas.
I'll be following the progress avidly as always.

I'm still very annoyed that I won't be able to make it...again.
Maybe next time.

Dizzy
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Rathstar on August 15, 2008, 11:47:38 AM
I just want to point out, as we've stirred the broth a little here, is that Erriond and myself take it in our very best interests to make sure the day is as enjoyable as possible for everybody concerned and we've had quite a lot of experience in organising and hosting this tournament now  and we've found the system we are using at the moment has had the most success and makes the day run as smooth as possible. We also make sure that nobody plays the same person twice in one day, as despite this is a tournament, the main purpose of the day is to get together as a community and play as many different faces as possible. It may unhinge the tournament aspect incredibly slightly but it's something we are willing to give up so we can fulfill the main agenda.

I agree with everything you say, particularly about not playing the same person twice.

Secondly I would like reiterate that I was not attempting to cast any doubt on the vast amount of effort and the professionalism shown by yourself and Erriond.  I think this thread itself is a testament to your excellent approach, where different ideas on the scoring system and match-ups have been discussed calmly without the name calling or ranting that is present on many other forums.

Rathstar
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 11:58:59 AM
I just want to point out, as we've stirred the broth a little here, is that Erriond and myself take it in our very best interests to make sure the day is as enjoyable as possible for everybody concerned and we've had quite a lot of experience in organising and hosting this tournament now  and we've found the system we are using at the moment has had the most success and makes the day run as smooth as possible. We also make sure that nobody plays the same person twice in one day, as despite this is a tournament, the main purpose of the day is to get together as a community and play as many different faces as possible. It may unhinge the tournament aspect incredibly slightly but it's something we are willing to give up so we can fulfill the main agenda.

I agree with everything you say, particularly about not playing the same person twice.

Secondly I would like reiterate that I was not attempting to cast any doubt on the vast amount of effort and the professionalism shown by yourself and Erriond.  I think this thread itself is a testament to your excellent approach, where different ideas on the scoring system and match-ups have been discussed calmly without the name calling or ranting that is present on many other forums.

Rathstar

and i'd like to take this opportunity to call you all wombats and stick my tongue out at you because i'm going to win... with a painted army!


 :P


good luck to all (especially me)...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 12:18:30 PM
Thank you, Rathstar, it is much appreciated. :)

O:nk on the other hand, you are going down. I could re-write the first two rounds and you'd never know :P

Might set a challenge up... Anybody want to grind O:nk into the dust?

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 15, 2008, 12:19:01 PM
As a side note our club will be running another tournament in October called....

Escalation 08 and you are all welcome we are looking at around 30 spaces but if demand is high enough then we will open up the bigger hall....

OK shameless plug over  ::) 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 15, 2008, 12:21:00 PM
O:nk on the other hand, you are going down. I could re-write the first two rounds and you'd never know :P

Might set a challenge up... Anybody want to grind O:nk into the dust?

im sorry... i love you...  :-*
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 12:24:20 PM
Alright, that's better. ;)

My army is passable as fully painted now! But I'm going to speed-paint a few details just so nobody tries to call me on it. Also going to repair a bit of terrain in case we need to use some of mine...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on August 15, 2008, 12:46:09 PM
Let's all be extra pinickity about google's army then ;)

And from erriond's comment earlier... have I drawn bill again???
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 01:09:47 PM
Let's not. :P

It started out as being speed-painted for one tournament, and when re-modeling it I don't consider that an excuse not to keep up the tradition.

Erriond wouldn't possibly know who anybody has drawn. Only I do.

And you might have... you might not have. But you might have...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Rathstar on August 15, 2008, 01:28:13 PM
Hi,

I'm trying to convince two of mates to come and their asking for more details.

Firstly just checking that unpainted models are allowed, as one of my fiends hasn't finished his list ?  Also how many pts are availiable for painting, and is it a "all or nothing" or sliding scale ?

Thanks

Rathstar
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 15, 2008, 01:43:32 PM
check out the front page i think its got a link to the rules pack with everythin you need to know

specifically the painting thing
2pts for all undercoated
2pts for all painted
2pts for all based

or 1pt for each if half are done
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on August 15, 2008, 01:44:15 PM
And you might have... you might not have. But you might have...

Well if I have I have.

I have only managed to read 5th ed cover to cover twice now, and think I get it. Thing is its the games that tell you where you don't know how to deal with something, and I haven't been able to get a game in. At all. Added to that I didn't even get any in with my current list in 4th ed....

So there's my excuse. ;)

Then again it'd be nice to see guard as 1st, 2nd, AND 3rd :D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 15, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
Righty, I actually don't know how Erriond is scoring painting exactly this time round (I do general organisation, tell people where to go, what to do, etc -- Erriond does the more important tournament stuff) but it will go something along the lines of (hypothetically if a win was 3 points):

Undercoated army: 1 point
Based army: 1 point
Painted army (three colours etc): 1 point

Usually if only half your army is at one of these stages we award half points, so half your models based will be 1/2 point.

So if you have a fully based and painted army you will basically get the points for an extra win by default, which of course is very helpful in the rankings and pretty much essential if you want to come first.

However, by no means do you have to have a painted army; one of my friends who is a very good player never comes with a painted army but he just likes the challenge and to get some good games in.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on August 15, 2008, 03:20:34 PM
good luck to everyone and see u all 2moz
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on August 15, 2008, 03:52:31 PM
Oh [beep]... I've just discovered that my list was 146pts overdrawn... >:(

And I've played that list for a month by now!  Good thing I found the error before tomorrow.  I have scrapped a unit and the list is now legal (I hope :-\).
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 16, 2008, 01:49:24 AM
Aragh, it's too early.

See all you guys in 2 hours.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Teg on August 16, 2008, 03:33:03 PM
+++ Tournament has now been held +++

I assume someone's going to put up some detailed results eventually, so could I ask that people's final score, as well as position, be posted?  (To feed my inner statistician, you understand ;))

A brief description of how the scoring worked in the end would be nice too, but since Dan had 41 (!) hidden columns in his spreadsheet, you could let us all live in ignorance! ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on August 16, 2008, 03:55:40 PM
And pictures! Mine'll be up tomorrow if not later tonight! ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 16, 2008, 04:01:21 PM
we posting the pics and stuff in this thread or another one?
not that i took any, forgot to charge the cam batteries but it'd be nice to know where to look for them :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on August 16, 2008, 04:02:42 PM
I've got a few, mostly of my Flyrant/Batclint reflecting power fist attacks with his Awesome Field. Will pop them on photobucket and upload them in a bizzle.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on August 16, 2008, 04:09:54 PM
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Hymirl (but don't worry, apparently he's nicer in meatspace than in cyberspace  )

Infamy, infamy, they all have it in for me!

I'd like to say it was a great event and I'll definatly be coming back for the next one, I've got a title to defend now! :D
And thanks to Hawaiian Zombie, Nny, DarkFex and Jonik for four great games...  especially to Jonik who kept a sense of humour in the face of having his army all but annilated by speeding bikers, even when I cheekly stole nearly every one of the objectives on turn 6.

White Scars; surprisingly good in 5th edition....
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 16, 2008, 04:15:32 PM
and again mate, very very well done hymirl :)
and just think how nasty they'll be next time with a shiney new codex ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on August 16, 2008, 04:38:45 PM

Infamy, infamy, they all have it in for me!

I'd like to say it was a great event and I'll definatly be coming back for the next one, I've got a title to defend now! :D
And thanks to Hawaiian Zombie, Nny, DarkFex and Jonik for four great games...  especially to Jonik who kept a sense of humour in the face of having his army all but annilated by speeding bikers, even when I cheekly stole nearly every one of the objectives on turn 6.

White Scars; surprisingly good in 5th edition....

Right back at you, t'was a good game!

I've got a few, mostly of my Flyrant/Batclint reflecting power fist attacks with his Awesome Field. Will pop them on photobucket and upload them in a bizzle.

I think the memory of the wailing crys of "How many 6+ invulnerable saves can you make!?!" coming from the table next to me are going to give me sleepless nights.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on August 16, 2008, 04:43:36 PM
You know something's gone right when someone slice asks you the following question:

"What is WRONG WITH YOU?!"
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on August 16, 2008, 04:44:27 PM
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Hymirl (but don't worry, apparently he's nicer in meatspace than in cyberspace  )

Infamy, infamy, they all have it in for me!

I'd like to say it was a great event and I'll definatly be coming back for the next one, I've got a title to defend now! :D
And thanks to Hawaiian Zombie, Nny, DarkFex and Jonik for four great games...  especially to Jonik who kept a sense of humour in the face of having his army all but annilated by speeding bikers, even when I cheekly stole nearly every one of the objectives on turn 6.


Heheh, cheers! Well, after 3 wins (some decent!) I could hardly complain! Annoyingly had we finished turn 5 it'd be 2/1/1contested to you... rather than 4/0/1... Still wouldn't have got me 3rd, but what ifs are always fun ;)

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White Scars; surprisingly good in 5th edition....

Too damn quick and turboboosty! :D



Edit: What photos I have!

ORKS!!!
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Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Dux Aurelius Elysius on August 16, 2008, 06:01:58 PM
Those poor Blood Angels.  The boards were too big and open for them; against my shooty Eldar it was a long trudge through firing corridors.  Dave did a sterling job keeping them battling through.  It was probably Karma that led to my utter destruction in the last game against Tau :P (I'm afraid I don't recall your name, though that's probably from wiping the traces of pain from my memory).

Good games all round, not forgetting my games against Premetheus and Hymirl.
Oh and I don't recall your forum handle but to the Tallarn player (pretty sure it was O:nk but I have paranoia about these things), I'm sorry for bad mouthing your Stormtroopers.  This (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Falhandir/P1000222.jpg) was my first attempt at lighting effects that I mentioned, so I guess I'm not best one to talk but I've learned since then ... a little :P

Congratulations also go to the organisers for such a smooth day.  If I can I'll definitely be coming to the next one.

I had intended to take photos but I ended up only remembering for the game against Al so I'm not sure they're worth posting :P  Will upload them tomorrow.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on August 16, 2008, 06:09:26 PM
Those poor Blood Angels.  The boards were too big and open for them; against my shooty Eldar it was a long trudge through firing corridors.  Dave did a sterling job keeping them battling through. 

Yeah... I wiped them out to 4 men in my game.... but they fought til the end, as true crazed blood filled angels of death! Certainly kept me on my toes as wave after wave got inches from my lines...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Erand on August 16, 2008, 07:58:30 PM
Hey all!

So bellow are the results at the end of the day including painting bonus. The points were really close but it turns out that one tournament point devided first from second and a further point devided second from third! Well done everyone!

Starting with first place...

1st Hymril
 
2nd Richard

3rd O;nk
 
Dark Fex
Erriond
Mike
Joink
gOOgle
Ratastar
Chuckles
Changeyname
Big Ben
Bill
Evil Monkey
Teg
Craig
Dave
Nny
Vrykolakas
Prethmus
Hawiian Zombie
Matt
Josh
Evil Toast
Gonzon
Morgon

Thanks to Chuckles, Jimmi, Ben and... I'm sorry chaos player I have forgotten your name, for four great games. This was our largest and most diverse tournament yet, we also only had 2 eldar players! Amazing!

Hope to see you all next time,

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on August 16, 2008, 08:02:11 PM
The next one will be an Imperial Guard free-for-all, is my prediction.

And since Naikee is swanning off internationally I need a new grudge, and I can think of only one: Erriond, vengeance slash shall be mine! Next time we meet I am going to kill those Fire Prisms so hard you'll forget they ever existed
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 16, 2008, 08:56:57 PM
2nd what has been said so far by far most enjoyable Tournement I have played in (In part due to playing 4 totaly different armies whcih is always a bonus  ;D

Also thanks to the guys I played enjoyed all the games very much.

See you all at our event in October (shamless plug number 300) and if not at the next 40k online which im sure will be even bigger!!!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: web ghost on August 16, 2008, 11:03:18 PM
Congrats to all you ding dongs.  Nice job Hymril!  And to o:nk for earning a medal, what three years in a row now?  I'm so jealous of all your proximity to so many other 40koers.

 Let's see  ...   Kindred is around here somewhere.  And I'm within a couple thousand miles of Mr. Peanut.   I think.   ....Someday the NewEngland 40konline tourney will rival the original.  :P 
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on August 17, 2008, 06:19:23 AM
Things were that close hey? I wonder where I'd have come if I could have just killed off those last 2 orks.. those last 4 bloodangels and those last 5 chaos...
 4 of the best games I've had in a while! (and had never faced any of the lists before, keeping me on my toes!)

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The next one will be an Imperial Guard free-for-all, is my prediction.

Well, there were 5 players this time - myself, Oink, evilmonkey, bfg member I don't know the name of and morgan, and at least evilmonkey and myself have been playing guard for several years now. If erriond manages to paint a guard army he's planning and oink sticks with guard (better than tau!) then that'd be 6. (still about 1/5 of the total)

If a new guard codex comes out then there'll possibly be more... but I'd be impressed if they're painted in time!

And shouldn't it be more guard based than marine based anyway?! ;)

Any more pictures?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 17, 2008, 08:13:22 AM
So is the plan top run two of these a year now? I like the idea of being able to go to 5 tournements that are all within 2 miles of where I live!!!

Is it possible to insert the total points next to the peoples names please Erriond?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 17, 2008, 08:24:33 AM
@jonik, im glad you enjoyed them
my SAG was incompetently useless all day (apart from a few turns against dennys daemons) and we both had a chuckle when he hit one of the meganobz ;)
hope to make the next one but we'll have to see :(
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: g00gle5 on August 17, 2008, 09:40:49 AM
Cheers guys for another great day, I'm glad everything panned out more smoothly than my hectic organising skills would have suggested.

Well done to Hymril and his win with his White Scars; it is true that he is a very nice chap in meat space so I might have a bit of a smirk on my face next time I see him posting up :P

Your Warp Field is just wrong, Chuckles.

Wrong. Wrong Wrong. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? HOW MANY INVULNERABLE SAVES CAN YOU MAKE?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: premetheus on August 17, 2008, 09:58:38 AM
Also forgot to mention seeing some of your guys armies painted, conversted and looking so good has inspired me to pull my finger out and set aside some dedicated time to the modeling part of my hobby which I have cronically neglected since starting to collect again.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 17, 2008, 10:02:00 AM
Cheers guys for another great day, I'm glad everything panned out more smoothly than my hectic organising skills would have suggested.

Well done to Hymril and his win with his White Scars; it is true that he is a very nice chap in meat space so I might have a bit of a smirk on my face next time I see him posting up :P

Your Warp Field is just wrong, Chuckles.

Wrong. Wrong Wrong. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? HOW MANY INVULNERABLE SAVES CAN YOU MAKE?
chuckles is stood behind me and says:
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less than 15 but still quite the few
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Jonik on August 17, 2008, 10:06:44 AM
15 is absurd! I think I'd have been shouting like chris was too!! ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: Changeyname on August 17, 2008, 10:44:30 AM
chuckles says the scream of rage from chris was only after 2 saves :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament in partnership with Bracknell Forest Gamers!!!
Post by: gonzon on August 17, 2008, 11:54:12 AM
thank you chris,nick,denny and dave for 4 brill games.
i think i did quite well by not coming last.lol
i should be able 2 make the next one(not the october one) and will be looking 2 move up the rankings

a very good day all round

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 17, 2008, 05:33:34 PM
hehe... i had four great games over the day and was happy and surprised with grabbing 3rd spot! i'd like to think that this was mostly due to the fact that i had a fully painted army (which for me was a big achievement)...

thanks iain (evilmonkey), teg, big ben & mike for the games. they were great, fun, challenging, exciting and rewarding (not necessarily in that order).

in my ever lasting method heres a little run down for those that are interested...




game 1, iain (evilmonkey) - Imperial guard.

Iain is a long time guard player with a lovely painted force in snow camo (using steel legion models)... he's also got TWO units of forgeworld death riders for his rough rider units... it promosed to be a vicious game at set up - as he packed in 6 full infantry squads along with accompanying command sections and veterans. but what he had in troops, i made up for in tanks - namely a pair of hellhounds...  ;D  knowing i was going to get first turn made me bold in my deployment of my infiltrating units - but then he grabbed the initiative and things were looking to turn sour... but over the entire first turn, he managed to kill only about 4 infantry models... HAH... or so i thought... cos i only managed to kill about the same in my turn!  from there though, my hellhounds really hit home in a game where 4+ cover saves were keeping our tanks alive. in teh end they were pivotal in routing his troops and allowing me to hold my objectives.

Result:  after a slow start we both got into our strides but in the end iains dirty heretical guard were defeated. largely i think this was due to iains reluctance to move his infantry units - he left it far too late to get to the objectives.

Highlights:
+ rocket launcher blowing up a hiding chimera (despite the odds)... and taking a bunch of rough riders with it!
+ "Lascannon alley" vs "burn baby burn"

Lowlights:
- Iain realising that my storm troopers were grenadiers - and watching him slowly pivot his leman russ turret to target them as they tried to sneak around the hill onto an objective... they had to go to ground to stop from being wiped out - but were still stopped from capturing.




Game 2, teg, chaos marines

Teg was another great opponent, his infantry chaos marine force - packed with noise marines and nurgle warriors - accompanied by a flying lord and demon - couldnt be much farther from iains guard from last round.  with table quarter deployment i took to defending the bridge - i had little option - i had to castle in from his fast moving hqs and be wary of a plethora of infiltrating nasties...
getting first turn the daemon was public enemy number one - and the lascannons were right on the task - helped along by a deep striking command platoon with 2 plasma guns... but ultimately it was taken out by a scattering shot from the russ - having scattered from its main target - taking along the command section bar the rather fortunate (or not depending on how you look at it) officer!
it was a really hard fought battle which saw the chaos taking very heavy losses - but unfortunately they were doing an excellent job of forcing me away from objectives - if i got too close too early they would simply crunch through my units. this wasnt helped by my russ and demolisher both getting immobilised whilst trying to move through the river - i suppose there was a reason i was defending the bridge!

Result:  despite suffering huge losses, the chaos held two objectives thanks to three marines from two different units... damn them - the jumping lord also managed to dislodge a unit from the bridge at the last - ensuring that the chaos won 2-1, with 2 contested. However, we only managed to get in 4 turns and both agreed that one more turn would have seen a draw - which would have probably ben the fairest result in a thoroughly enjoyable and tense battle.

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My guard set up defensive positions along the river bank - the lascannons defending the bridge crossing.

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Infantry stand ready for the attack - with the comfort of close tank support.

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Enemy spotted!

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Storm troopers advance in close support of the russ - with veterans rushing out to meet the enemy.

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Game 3, big ben, imperial guard (traitorous of course)

ben is a Bracknell Forest Club Gamer - and a great one at that. His imperial guard force was similar in some respects - mainly that it had two hellhounds too! and that was scary...  :-[ He also had more troops than i did - and in this game that might matter, because the winner was be decided by kill points. It started relatively slowly - the table quarter deployment saw both of us using our tanks to try to protect our troops... but i had a trick up my sleeve - the infiltrating and deep striking elements of my force would hopefully be able to cause enough havoc to break the tank line and get to the meaty troops behind.
Long ranged tank shells blasted across the ruined town but the overgrown terrain was proving very survivable - the deep deployment in my own quarter of my lascannons were well placed to cover two main movement alleys - and ultimately proved incredibly useful in dealing with bens advancing tanks... the vulture came in fully expecting to start pounding those infantry but oen rather plucky autocannoner was ready - hitting the flyer and destroying a couple of weapons. scared, it moved away to come at the field from a better (read less dangerous) approach.
on the ground though, my breakthrough came - as deep striking veterans and a command section ambushed the demolisher and a hellhound - giving me the gap i needed - my own hellhounds rushed through and his troops didnt stand a chance... my second command section - armed with a pair of flamers followed suit, jumping on his troops and getting perfect shots at his infantry - following it up in following turns with some devastating combats.

Result:  Although the early game was very tight, with tanks moving cautiously through the terrain, the game opened up with some risky ambushes from my troops and ultimately, some good luck (coupled with bens abissmal turn for the worse!). in the end he scored only 2 kill points... but i managed 14!!!

Highlights:
+ a stormtrooper unit assaulting a russ and blowing it up by using krak grenades (the new vehicle combat rules are ruthless)
+ a brave set of ambushes by my command sections and veterans to blow the game wide open

Lowlights: erm...   ...didnt you read it, 14 kill points!


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Enemy tanks advancing.

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Cautious moving tanks spot glimpses of the enemy.

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But in the end - the Big Guns were bound to draw a clear shot on each other, with devastating consequences.




Game 4, Mike, Tyranids

Mikes nids were a really great sight... a wonderfully painted and converted force that did not only look good, but played good too! (damn him!). It was a dawn of war deployment, and he had first turn... for some reason though - i thought it might be fun to try to seize the initiative, it had happened to me once and i thought i should try... immediately after i rolled the 6 to win the initiative, i realised that was the worst thing i could have done... i should have left him to take first turn and reacted to him!
as it was, too late... so my force rumbled on - spread across the line in order to make things as difficult as possible... then came the nids...
His masses of hormagaunts (and a bunch of spinegaunts too) were backed up by a pair of tyrants (one flying of course) some carnifexes and a handful (well, two handfuls) of outflanking genestealers... he was worried about my hellhounds - and kept well away wherever possible... and i about his flying tyrant - it just would not die... then came along the vulture - taking out genestealers and gaunts all over the place with some well placed missile shots... but that flyrant was still there - cutting through one squad - but it was now left in the open... i jumped at the chance - and moved my plasma gunners towards it - pulling it down with a sigh of relief...
The game was a close call though - as i pushed out from my line to grab two objectives - my opponent was trying to prevent me from grabbing mine - whilst also attempting to keep his own...

Result:  Ultimately, my opponent was dogged by my seeming ability to hit with virtually everything... nids dont like large blasts, thats for sure. It meant that his troops were left too far from capturing objectives, whilst my troops, again protected by their tanks, were able to secure two objectives (as well as my vets, suported by a hellhound, securing a third - and preventing any nids getting close enough to capture it... a 2-0 win for the good - a great result for a game that could have swung either way...

highlights:
+ taking down the flyrant.
+ hitting with blasts... again and again...

Lowlights:
- an inabiliy to deal with the enemies other monstrous creatures... whom themselves were shaking my tanks.

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lascannoners wihtin a ruin eye up the approaching monsters... the team took heavy casualties.

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the nids scuttle onwards despite suffering losses, the long ranged shooting was proving temperamental - but they would reach the line shortly - and importantly, they were preventing the guard from getting at important objectives.

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the flyrant is left in the open - his fate stood in the hands of the guard...


Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Bezerek on August 17, 2008, 06:56:17 PM
Haha that was a Fantastic Highlight O:nk you gave me a Whooping, I blame my lack of an Ability to hit things with Big Guns like in total I fired 12 lascannon shots that game I think I hit twice and my rocket Laucher team got executed by the regimental commisar as soon as I got home for failing to roll higher than 1 repeatidily on the vehicle damage chart.

Hehe, I remember when I screamed "How many damn 4+'s Can you make!" The Vehicle Obscured was definatly your ace in the hole. It kept me wanting to punch babies for the forseeable future.

My Demolisher crew also got executed for scattering every single shot. Well not just them; my entire army did for failing to anything above roll "Crew Inconvenienced"
Thankfully you did blow up the De-BattleCannon'd Leman Russ Rather than the one than could actually hit anything, It could hit but penatrating armor is another kettle of fish.


Big Ben
"King of the Below Par Rolls"

*Subject to Editing when I sort out my Photo's*
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Erand on August 17, 2008, 09:48:22 PM
Starting with first place...

1st Hymril - 25 points
 
2nd Richard - 24 points

3rd O;nk -23 points
 
Dark Fex -22 points
Erriond - 21.050115 points
Mike -21.010213 points
Joink - 20.040122 points
gOOgle - 20.030118 points
Ratastar - 19 points
Chuckles - 19 points
Changeyname -17 points
Big Ben - 16 points
Bill - 16 points
Evil Monkey - 16 points
Teg - 16 points
Craig -16 points
Dave - 15 points
Nny -15 points
Vrykolakas - 15 points
Prethmus - 14 points
Hawiian Zombie - 13 points
Matt - 13 points
Josh - 12 points
Evil Toast - 12 points
Gonzon -12 points
Morgon - 8 points

For your infomation mazimum points for the day were 30. 6 for each round and an additional 6 for the painting status of your army.

Yes Oink in a way a fully painted army did get you 3rd as you got all 6 points for it and therefore beat Dark fex...

If you are wondering how we decided between people on equal points Mac made us an amazing spread sheet on the day that added in all your claimed and contested objectives as well as the kill points from each mission to the total tournament points to give you a more exact ranking. Those numbers are 8 digits long! I don't know how it works so I suggest you ask him but I have double checked and it is indeed totally accurate. As I am sure you will all understand I cannot bring myself to copy them all in here so most of you just have your basic 2 digit tournament point score.

Err... Thats all folks! I will get back to you all with a list of perspective dates for the next one which will be in easter (hopefully!)

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 18, 2008, 02:30:25 AM
Sorry for the late reply , got back from Reading late last night . Was another awesome weekend , and was great fun .

So if I pulled my finger out of my bum and actually painted my stuff I would of been 11th . Must paint my stuff ........

Quick rundown .

Game 1 vs Bill - Draw ( 1 objective each , 2 contested to me , 1 to him )

Most probably the worst dice ever . 8 Dark Lances miss turn 1 , Raider smacks into a pillar the moment it shoots out the portal , Devilfish reverses into the wall instead of over etc etc . Was a good game , learnt something new about Wytches too  ;) .

Game 2 Mike - Draw ( 1 objective each , 2 contested each )

Mike did miss alot . I had nothing in range . Kroot p@wned Genestealers . Huzzah ! Gaunts spent all game swiming in lava . Devilfish reverses into lava . 

Game 3 - Tau player with counts as army ( Dave rings a bell  ??? ) - Win 7KP-KP3

Was worried early on but things started dying with regularity in my favour . Except 5 Stealth Suits owned 16 Kroot . Huh ? And Railguns cannot penetrate a Hammerheads side armour . Fact .......

Game 4 Teg - Loss ( 2 objectives - 1 objective )

What can I say . Too much power armour for my mighty 1's to do anything about . Of course Teg out playing me has nothing to do with my loss  ::) ! Well played again mate .

So , will the next one be this year or next year Easter time ?     
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on August 18, 2008, 05:08:22 AM
Game 3 - Tau player with counts as army ( Dave rings a bell  ??? ) - Win 7KP-KP3

Was worried early on but things started dying with regularity in my favour . Except 5 Stealth Suits owned 16 Kroot . Huh ? And Railguns cannot penetrate a Hammerheads side armour . Fact ....... 

Counts as army? Come on! There was a hammerhead proxying as a sky ray, that's barely even a proxy  :P

Heh you actually did more damage when you were shooting the hammerhead to the front....
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on August 18, 2008, 05:51:23 AM
Might as well throw mine up on in there, trying desperately to remember who I played.

Game 1 vs Morgan's Wooden Spoon Guard- Minor Victory (2 objectives to me, one to him)

Not a bad start all in all, Carnifex with Barbed Strangler visited muchos muchos death on the puny Guardsmen cowering at the other end of the board, to my immense delight. Having said that, I did take quite a beating from his God Damned Pie Plates (4 Ordnance templates? 4?). Should have won it by more but made a mistake by going mental trying to kill his God Damned Leman Russ with my genestealers instead of going "beslubber this noise" and wandering back to hunker down on the objective. Good game, cheers Morgan for being such a good sport (especially with that dice rolling, I actually felt bad)

Game 2 vs Ian's Shiny Guard- Minor Victory (2 objectives to me, 1 to him)

This was an incredibly close game and really good fun, despite being versus Guard again. Ian's canny deployment meant that I had to cross a massive no-man's-land to get into CC, which in turn meant that I got shot. A lot. So much in fact that this game set a new precedent- first time I've ever seen my walking Tyrant with Tyrant Guard die. Ever. Did however manage to secure a pair of objectives and move him off the objectives by Turn 5 (think it was 5). Rolled to see if we went to Turn 6... no. Phew. Excellent game.

Game 3 vs Chris' Deathwing Of Ineffective Power Fists- Minor Victory (I believe it was 6-5, but I'm not entirely sure. I had one more than him anyway)

Quite possibly the best game of the tournament, this pitted the might of my Tyranid force against Chris' Deathwing. Despite slightly screwing up my deployment I advanced fairly rapidly on Chris, managing to avoid total destruction at the hands of his non-rending assault cannons and making a string of invulnerable saves on the Flyrant from the twin-linked lascannons coming my way. This was to be a theme. Around about Turn 3 I finally got into range with some guns other than the mostly useless Barbed Strangler (which had hit a squad of 5 terminators, wounded 3 and killed none), and blazed away. All of a sudden they started dropping like extremely well armoured flies, and shortly afterwards my Flyrant took on Belial's squad. After a fairly sketchy to hit/to wound roll that fell a mere 2 terminators I prepared for the shock of the return attacks. 2 powerfists wounded and I rolled for Warp Field, not expecting a lot... 2 6s. It was at about this point that Christ exploded. A few turns later and I'd essentially dismantled his force, leaving only a single, armless Venerable Dreadnought...which I couldn't kill. Curses. After tallying things up at the end I discovered that despite having essentially wiped out his force and receiving relatively minimal casualties in return I had only received one extra Kill Point. Damn it. Nevertheless, a great game.

Game 4 vs Nick's Pointy Eared Bastards- Minor Loss (2 objectives to him, 1 to me)

We buggered up the rules for this one somewhat and as a result both armies appeared in a rather more piecemeal manner than they should have. The fact that half my army hadn't shown up at the right time combined with Nick's EEEEVIL tactic of deploying right up to the halfway line and then redeploying to the back of the board with Eldrad kind of shafted me. Advancing (VERY) slowly under torrents of firepower, worst of all from those God Damned Fire Prisms, I managed to grab an objective. That's about all that can be said really, I got completely atomised in this one. Worst moment of all has to be the Walking Tyrant going down to Mind War, bewilderingly leaving his Guard wandering around on their own.

All in all a great day except for that last day, which is kind of nobody's fault really. Cheers all- I'll get you next time Erriond!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 18, 2008, 07:31:41 AM
@Hawaiian Zombie - Your forgetting the God-Falcon " counts as " Hammerhead and the Khorne Bezerker " counts as " Stealth Suits  >:(.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Teg on August 18, 2008, 07:41:47 AM
Starting with first place...

1st Hymril - 25 points
 
2nd Richard - 24 points

3rd O;nk -23 points

[snip="more numbers"]

Erriond

Ah! NUMBERS! My inner statistician is pleased...  Here are some stats for you:

26 was the number of players (so the 'sample size').
17 was the average (mean) score.
4 was the standard deviation (average difference from the mean).
And the five quartiles:
Q0: 8 (minimum)
Q1: 14
Q2: 16 (median)
Q3: 20
Q4: 25 (maximum)

And here's the plot:

(http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8a89c61e15.jpg) (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

And yes, I did just stick the numbers in a calculator. :D

Thanks to all the people I played against, my Chaos marines have sated their thirst for death (their own ::)) for a while!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: premetheus on August 18, 2008, 08:03:13 AM
Anyone know what points were awarded just for the games and what for painting modelling etc....?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Hawaiian Zombie on August 18, 2008, 08:32:54 AM
@Hawaiian Zombie - Your forgetting the God-Falcon " counts as " Hammerhead and the Khorne Bezerker " counts as " Stealth Suits  >:(.

Ah you didn't play me, your game just also had 5 stealth suits running down an entire charging unit of kroot!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on August 19, 2008, 06:21:38 AM
Will have the Pics and Vid up later
to all the guys well done
to Teg (JAMMY) :)

just to add to the debate BFG runs a random - Uno Card allocation (number on card denotes which table you play on first round) drawn from hat rest of round are Swiss with alteration to allow any last round challenges and make sure no double ups


For the 8th 40KOLFT- you guys want to
1 - run it on a Bank Holiday Monday ( as we can only get the Third Saturday of any month)
2 - Get BFG to run the organisation in the backroom - score cards, scoring, first round ?
As both Erriond and gOOgle are BFG members we could fit it in with the club set up and get it covered by GCN/WD/GW coverage

Ok that over with ope everyone had a good journey home and As Premethus said See you in October :P

http://www.bfgclub.org.uk/Events.htm
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: premetheus on August 19, 2008, 06:36:40 AM
Plug plug plug plug plug  ::)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on August 19, 2008, 06:48:13 AM
Approximately speaking, when is the 8th one going to be?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on August 19, 2008, 06:54:27 AM
Approximately speaking, when is the 8th one going to be?

we've been saying appx 6 months but as the last one was March I would say 18th April (Saturday) - 4th May (bank hols Monday)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on August 19, 2008, 06:55:52 AM
Awesome, I'll be back from Uni.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 19, 2008, 08:20:21 AM

we've been saying appx 6 months but as the last one was March I would say 18th April (Saturday) - 4th May (bank hols Monday)

Damn . Well then it's goodbye then from me and it was a pleasure meeting some of you .
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Shas'Oink on August 19, 2008, 08:38:50 AM
Damn . Well then it's goodbye then from me and it was a pleasure meeting some of you .

hey hoo?  why you say that?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on August 19, 2008, 09:16:02 AM

we've been saying appx 6 months but as the last one was March I would say 18th April (Saturday) - 4th May (bank hols Monday)

Damn . Well then it's goodbye then from me and it was a pleasure meeting some of you .

IT not written in stone - Only Erriond/gOOgles blood
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Evil_Toast on August 19, 2008, 12:25:13 PM


hey hoo?  why you say that?

Heading off to sunny Sith Ifrica in December ( ah , 35+ degrees on the beach a stones throw from my folks house ) for a few months . Then hopefully off to somewhere else on the globe . So will most probably not even be in the same hemisphere as Bracknell come Easter . Sure I mentioned this already somewhere ?   

It kept me wanting to punch babies for the forseeable future.


WTF ??  :D
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Jonik on August 19, 2008, 03:14:02 PM
Approximately speaking, when is the 8th one going to be?

we've been saying appx 6 months but as the last one was March I would say 18th April (Saturday) - 4th May (bank hols Monday)

Bit late isn't it? My easter hols end on the 19th April...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on August 20, 2008, 05:01:48 AM
Approximately speaking, when is the 8th one going to be?

we've been saying appx 6 months but as the last one was March I would say 18th April (Saturday) - 4th May (bank hols Monday)

Bit late isn't it? My easter hols end on the 19th April...

May be
but we can only get thje hall every Third Sat  or on Mondya Bank Holidays
if it either side of Term or Calander dates we can't change that..

(when we win the lottery and get our on WHW South then.. then....

hehehe world domination here we come
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Jonik on August 23, 2008, 09:57:50 AM
Are the pics on the way, or have I missed them?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on August 26, 2008, 10:56:41 AM
sorry guy will get them on soon
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Erand on September 3, 2008, 03:51:54 PM
Hey all,

Can I have some input into the dates of the next tournament. BFG club were considering entering the event in white dwarf as well in the events page as they do with their own events so if you have an opinion on that too, good or bad (but polite please!) then I would love to hear it.

The options are:

Saturday 4th April
Saturday 11th April
Monday 13th April (easter monday bank holiday)
Saturday 18th April

The 25th is also an outside option if it proves popular. Let me know what you think.

Cheers!

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Guildmage Arcas on September 3, 2008, 06:08:06 PM
Just as an aside, I won't be available for the 4th as thats the weekend my club are running our tournament and yours truly will be acting as rules judge for the event and won't be able to come back to defend my title. :D

The Vanquish event being five 1500 point games of 40K played on tables of outstanding quality terrain over two days, with the regular missions spiced up with our custom secret objective cards, cheap food and drink on hand, and only £15 to attend btw (link to our site with info in my sig...)
Ok, I'm done with the plug now, sorry. :P
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Jonik on September 3, 2008, 06:40:05 PM
4th and the 11th are all I can do. You sure about the bank hols though? According to my term dates I'm back in on that monday...

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on September 3, 2008, 06:42:35 PM
I won't know which ones I can make until I start Uni and get my term dates sorted out
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on September 4, 2008, 04:19:03 AM
Hey all,

Can I have some input into the dates of the next tournament. BFG club were considering entering the event in white dwarf as well in the events page as they do with their own events so if you have an opinion on that too, good or bad (but polite please!) then I would love to hear it.

The options are:

Saturday 4th April
Saturday 11th April
Monday 13th April (easter monday bank holiday)
Saturday 18th April

The 25th is also an outside option if it proves popular. Let me know what you think.

Cheers!

Erriond





we've been saying appx 6 months but as the last one was March I would say 18th April (Saturday) - 4th May (bank hols Monday)

Bit late isn't it? My easter hols end on the 19th April...
[/quote]

May be
but we can only get thje hall every Third Sat  or on Mondya Bank Holidays
if it either side of Term or Calander dates we can't change that..

(when we win the lottery and get our on WHW South then.. then....

hehehe world domination here we come
[/quote]


Sorry GUYS - April = Sat 18th or Bank Holiday 13th
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: premetheus on September 4, 2008, 05:00:33 AM
ok am I the only one who is confused? What dates are possible?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on September 4, 2008, 05:51:18 AM
ok am I the only one who is confused? What dates are possible?

As we said at the club and in the post
we can  ONLY have the Hall on the 3RD Saturday of Each Month or Bank Holidays
the 3rd Sat in April is the 18th
Bank Holiday in April is Easter Monday the 13th
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Jonik on September 4, 2008, 06:37:48 AM
Ah well. Easter is just a pain in the arse really. Probably can't make this on either...
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: gonzon on September 6, 2008, 07:33:56 AM
i can do the 4th, the 18th and the 25th.
easter is a big pain in the ass for everyone :(
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Jonik on September 7, 2008, 02:05:30 PM
Sorry to keep at it, but are there no other pictures?
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown on September 7, 2008, 02:35:05 PM
I have some more, I'll get on to uploading them now.

EDIT:

Here's a few pics I took on the day. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/21259101@N05/?savedsettings=2837306500#photo2837306500) g00gle5's terminators took a beasting that day
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Jonik on September 8, 2008, 10:43:57 AM
Cool pics :) I didn't realise you'd taken pics of changyname's and my game 1... all squads featured in combat in pic 2 and 3 died... lol
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Shas'Oink on September 13, 2008, 09:10:30 AM
Ah well. Easter is just a pain in the arse really. Probably can't make this on either...

dont let god hear you say that.

hmm... so if most people agree with the above statement then it will look as though the date would have to be the 18th (sat).

not sure which id prefer though, i mean, monday would be good cos i get day off work anyway so i can tootle along free in the knowlegde all else i could do is sit at home and scratch my bum - watching mary poppins or other some such TV they usually show on bank holidays...

lets see if we get more input and we can try to get this date pinned down quickly for you mac...

as a side though - i am unsure if i will be able to make it at all - i think i may be going to a wedding in australia some time then - ill have to check with the other (clever) half.
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Erand on September 13, 2008, 12:17:37 PM
Hey all, sorry for the quiet on my front, I have been painting gaurd don't you know!

Mac could you get us a list of dates that we can have the hall? Thanks mate, I will speak to you about it tomorrow when I see you. On a different note if any of you find yourself at Games day tomorrow (there will be tickets on sale on the door...) Bracknell Forest Gamers will be running a table so pop along and say hello! You will even get to see some of my new guard, surely you can't resist!

Erriond
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Teg on September 13, 2008, 03:55:44 PM
Dan's already given you dates: the third Sat of the month OR Easter Monday.  We can't hire the hall at any other time.

I'll be helping to run the table, so say 'Hi!' if you're passing!
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Jonik on September 13, 2008, 04:33:09 PM
Quote
dont let god hear you say that.

Well it wasn't exactly fun and games for him either now was it! :p

Quote
hmm... so if most people agree with the above statement then it will look as though the date would have to be the 18th (sat).

You can book it whenever you like, since there's no way I can make it. :(
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: wellard on September 13, 2008, 04:56:56 PM
hi all i'm back on the habbit, so i'll be about hopefully at the next tournement if there is room for another guard player! can some one pm me the details of the new venue, as my one doesn't exsist any more!

jim

Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on October 3, 2008, 04:56:09 AM
8th GT

http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=170956.0 (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=170956.0)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Jonik on October 4, 2008, 03:33:08 PM
Any pics of the 7th? ;)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on October 4, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
sorry about delay
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1018.jpg)

Deamons -
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1020.jpg)

a nice manticore
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1021.jpg)

one of the many IG armies
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1022.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1023.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1024.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1025.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1026.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1027.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1028.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1029.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1030.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1031.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1032.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1033.jpg)
Errionds Eldar
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1034.jpg)

Let battle commence
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1035.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1036.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1037.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1038.jpg)

more guards
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1043.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1046.jpg)

Nice deamon
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1045.jpg)

Best Army
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1039.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1040.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1041.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1042.jpg)

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1048.jpg)

Wooden Spoon
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1049.jpg)

3rd
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1050.jpg)
2nd
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1051.jpg)
1st
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/macvurrich/40kolfgt/DSCF1052.jpg)
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: Jonik on October 4, 2008, 06:07:22 PM
Wow the Deathwing are VERY nice - I can see why they won!

(also the whirlwind is a manticore, but yeah uses the whirlwind parts for added confusion! ;))
Title: Re: UK: 7th 40kOnline Tournament RESULTS
Post by: MacVurrich on October 4, 2008, 07:33:37 PM
cheers
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