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‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
« on: November 29, 2003, 04:59:37 PM »
‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
Oliver Poole
The Telegraph
Oakley, California
Copied from the Calgary Herald, Saturday November 29, 2003

A white California teenager has been forced to leave her high school after she was branded a bigot and threatened with physical violence for setting up a “Caucasian Club” that she had intended as a forum for debating racial insensitivity.
Lisa McClelland, 15, established the new group in September as a whites version of the Black Student Union, Latinos Unidos, and the ALOHA Club for Pacific islanders that already existed for students.
   Now, three months later, she has had to switch to another school district after her proposal resulted in her being ostracized by many of her peers at Freedom High School in Oakley, northern California. She was called a “white racist,” a “fat, white neo-Nazi” and “KKK girl.”
   Gangs of girls threatened to beat her up and a teacher told her in front of a class that he’d rather see her “drugged out and pregnant” than on the news talking about her new club.
   McClelland had stumbled into the midst of America’s continued struggle with its attitude towards race and racism, an attitude that struggles to successfully define what is derogatory and what is acceptable.
   Her mother, Debi Neely, says she warned her daughter that she could be asking for trouble. “I tried to explain to her that it was a very touchy issue, but she kept saying ‘Why?’.”
   McClelland, whose ethnicity includes Dutch, German, Italian and Latino, simply maintains: “It wasn’t supposed to be a big deal.”
   After details of her new club broke on the local news, it quickly gained national media attention.
   She kept repeating that she intended the club to be an opportunity for students to discuss white heritage and how their “whiteness” affected other ethnic groups. It would be open to all ethnic backgrounds, would work to promote diversity and was intended to organize trips to museums and discussions on history.
   The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People warned that the club could become a breeding ground for white supremacists.
   State president Darnell Turner took offence at the word Caucasian.
“Using that term opens up old wounds and we don’t need to go there,” he said “The club, in name, seems like a back-door approach to separation.”



The Question I want to ask about this article, why are white people singled out here? The where Black groups, Latino groups ect. But when some one tries to start a Caucasian group, why does it fall apart? Is it the word Caucasian? Should it have been called a "White Club"? Or is it simply that White people have no right to organize groups based upon the colour of there skin, while other people of different ethinic background do?
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Re: ‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2003, 05:16:40 PM »
It happens whenever a nation doesn't know where its heart is. Some people refuse to play the national anthem in Sweden as it is deemed racist, since the [let's not go there] skinheads like to play it while practicing their nature of neo-nazism... Screwed up, indeed.

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Re: ‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2003, 06:33:23 PM »
This is a bunch of amphetamine parrot, ethically I think she is in the right, and more so, the response does nothing but prove her point. Ethically speaking, I am behind her all the way.

However, at the same time, she started a club that she knew would get this sort of response, so I find she gets what she deserves, as it is a quite predictable one.

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Re: ‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2003, 06:34:49 PM »
My parents are still trying to convice me that only minorites can be discriminated against.
It seems to be the same problem here.
Another example are feminist clubs are allowed in many schools but chauvinist clubs are not.
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Re: ‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2003, 06:38:26 PM »
When the revolution comes, these sort of people will be first with their backs against the wall.

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Re: ‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2003, 06:52:22 PM »
I think that the girl was simply ignorant, as demonstrated by

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Her mother, Debi Neely, says she warned her daughter that she could be asking for trouble. “I tried to explain to her that it was a very touchy issue, but she kept saying ‘Why?’.”

She was trying to start what other ethnic groups had, and saw nothing wrong with it. The fact that she was quickly demonized shows, to me at the least, the high hypocracy level in the states.
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Re: ‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2003, 07:06:11 PM »
I'm kinda split about this. I mean, it wasn't a political organization or rah rah rah.......but a 'white club' is just f*cking sad.

However secret is right in some respects, white males can be discriminated against as much as people want to as they have no defence. If you're female you can scream sexism, black you can scream racism. Sexism and racism are real and serious things; but they aren't as common as people crap on they are.

Rasmus is also right, Swedens national anthem has been somewhat 'tainted' by several neo nazi groups adopting it. But that happens with lots of things, even the swazstika. I have a British Christmas card from about 1900 with a christmas tree with a swazstika on the top. Bakc then it was a symbol of good luck and very popular, jewelry from the period (and earlier) featuring a swastika come up regularly on Ebay etc, but are in no way connected to the NSDAP. But it is now been tainted by the NSDAPs prolific use of it.

It's not what it is, but what it's associated with. Believe it or not but the NSDAP also made use of the hammer and sickle.....
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2003, 07:06:50 PM »
I don't think she was ignorant.
I think her saying "why?" was less ignorance and more of a statement of why a club wishing to study white heritage and it's effect on other groups should be offensive.
It's like saying a club for studying the causes leading to the holocaust would be offensive to jewish people.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2003, 07:09:22 PM »
The primary problem this issue creates is an illusion of hypocrasy. If the group would have included blacks, latinos, and numerous other ethnics, then the need for it to be addressed as

Using political correctness as a veil of intentional innocence is seldom a security blanket for the media, and the movement organisations fighting to dismantle the ticking bomb of racism.

Now there are ways to go about this, both right and wrong. Personally, we know this girl is not as naive as she makes out to be, having the intellect to create this group. It's a common white-supremist tactic she has employed, which is now countered by what seems like an unfair dismissal in courts.

Pull a thesaurus out, and her statements wont seem so concealing to their aggrivational intent.

The teacher, and the children acted inappropriately, this is unfair. What isn't unfair is the caucasian saying it is treated unfairly in a system that still rewards the caucasian above all others.

The minorities have these groups because they are the minorities, and for no other reason.

And I apologise if this is not what you all wanted to hear, but this incident hardly shakes up my own caucasian life, so I'm just going to live with it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2003, 09:12:53 PM »
The primary problem this issue creates is an illusion of hypocrasy. If the group would have included blacks, latinos, and numerous other ethnics, then the need for it to be addressed as
Just like how so many of the other groups at schools these days offer open arms to whites.

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What isn't unfair is the caucasian saying it is treated unfairly in a system that still rewards the caucasian above all others.
I know, especially because i can not get into said college or get said job because of things like affirmative action, even if i do have a better resume.

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The minorities have these groups because they are the minorities, and for no other reason.
Harldy, go to places like Oakland CA. Whites are a minority in many places and suffer from the problems that any other mintority can suffer from, yet still recieve no benefits of being one.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2003, 09:20:56 PM »
You're one of those angry white men with a small dick, aren't you? just joking matey.

Your posts -seeming somewhat cofrontational- are refering to places where the Blacks are the majority, in a nation where they are still the minority. Isn't this the job of local state law to intervene? And didn't this incident take place in California (quote me if I'm wrong, I'm not to sure on that one).

And if you're pissed about your resume, ask yourself, did white kids with better resumes than you make it in? Never strive to be anything but the best. Something my mother always said to me, though it doesn't explain why I joined the army.

This isn't the black person's fault, but the self-destructive, double edged sword of political correctness normally wielded by the mostly caucasian politicians.

I'd sooner have her group disbanded than go back to the days of segregation. Wouldn't you?
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Re: ‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2003, 09:39:05 PM »
The problem is, segragtion already exists there, what with other supposed minority groups already having a group to call their own. It excludes only whites from this segregation. As for white people being a minority, look at over all world population and tell me they aren't. While Caucasain people have done horrible things in the past, it's no excuse for other groups to start doing such things themselves (Black power groups for example) and have white people now banned from such practices.

Just a side note, Jews where not the only group to suffer greatly during world war II, however they are the most vocal group. I don't think it's fair for the majority minority group to get all the compensation, while less favorable groups (Kurds, Gypsies, ect) are ignored or are still being threatened with extiction. I'm not saying that jews aren't entirly right, but for them to get all of the compensation and puplicity isn't.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2003, 09:39:51 PM »
Your posts -seeming somewhat cofrontational- are refering to places where the Blacks are the majority, in a nation where they are still the minority. Isn't this the job of local state law to intervene? And didn't this incident take place in California (quote me if I'm wrong, I'm not to sure on that one).
Yeah, it took place in Cali.
Things like affirmative action are still implemented on a a very National level, regardless of what State law tends to be.

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And if you're pissed about your resume, ask yourself, did white kids with better resumes than you make it in? Never strive to be anything but the best. Something my mother always said to me, though it doesn't explain why I joined the army.
I'm hardly pissed about my resume. However, it annoys me to no end to hear of some white student to not get into said school with 3.8 gpa and 1200 SAT scores while the other minority student gets in with a 3.5 and 1100 SAT scores.

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This isn't the black person's fault, but the self-destructive, double edged sword of political correctness normally wielded by the mostly caucasian politicians.
True, but most politicians are about as down to earth on problems going on in countries as a dead person.

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I'd sooner have her group disbanded than go back to the days of segregation. Wouldn't you?
most definately, but by giving one group extended privelges over another isn't helping the problem - it only makes it worse because it takes the exact same situation and just switches the groups. It's only going to create even greater rifts between two groups. Personally, I have no problem with people of other races - but its just if things are going to continue as is then Racism is only going to get worse. If they want to get rid of racism then they need to elimate do things like start elimating places on forms where it asks your race, etc etc. Granting special privileges to one race over another, even if it is the minority sounds rather Racist in its own right doesn't it?
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2003, 09:45:44 PM »
You're absolutely right, but the problem with this young lady's group is her less than covert way of presenting itself.

Go to places like stormfront.org and see the neos their, and their nigh-on identicle methods of preaching. Either it was an unlucky coincidence, or she's playing the sheep.

Now if a black girl was to create a group called the Black Panther Cubs, I bet similar action would be taken.

There are times when the minorities get the short end of the stick, but also times when they get the stick instead of the carrot. 

Also, GPAs aren't everything. Money helps. A lot.

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Re: ‘Caucasian Club’ student ousted
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2003, 09:50:30 PM »
I think this is a bunch of amphetamine parrot.

Every race has there club, except for whites, because they always get stereotyped as racist.

A black person can call you a white boy, no promblem.

A white person can call you a black boy, you get punched.

Doesn't anyone realise that the whites are NOT BEING RACIST?!

No one can forgive them because they had slaves and slavery, which is now adays being used as an excuse to rights.

Assault on White person = assualt
Assualt on Black person = assualt + hate crime + racist.

Just because a girl wanted to make a club with other white people, she was called a racist, threatened by peers AND a teacher.

The system doesn't favor caucasians at all.

This isn't the black person's fault, but the self-destructive, double edged sword of political correctness normally wielded by the mostly caucasian politicians.

What are you talking about? Black people complained and complained untill they got what they wanted.

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Thats not the point. No one wants those days back. Even so, that doesn't give anyone the right to threaten or to assualt.


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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2003, 10:33:01 PM »
I think this is the problem-
Most white people never had slaves, and have no idea how it was like, in the last 40 years lets say. Now, black people remember all of it, and are still angry. So, when white people got yelled at for slavery, they did what any man would do when yelled at by his woman for amphetamine parrot he didn't know he did, he said "Sorry" and proceeded to do as much as possible so she doesn't bring it up again.

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2003, 11:48:21 PM »
Well it deal with how far freedom of speech let us get away with amphetamine parrot.  I mean really this thing is almost as bad as flag burners.
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2003, 12:39:17 AM »
Eh, political correctness like this is brought on by racist and sexist guilt. In fact, Wobbling Doom's avatar is from the movie Jackie Brown, in which the bail bondsman says, "Is white guilt supposed to make me forget that I'm running a business?" The point is that our society, with whites as the majority, is overcompensating for the past. Of course, many people would say that we're undercompensating, but I'd argue that if we were undercomping, we would still have slavery.
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2003, 01:56:34 AM »
May I add that the only people I have met pro-AA are blacks themselves. One girl on another forum be-atched at me in 5 seperate threads about how I am racist for using the word "black" how a asian band is racist for using "nigger" without knowing what it means, how I am racist for not wanting to gives blacks AA, and lastly about how much of a racist I am for not feeling any impact from words.

What ever happend to  "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"? It is gone and over with in the pussification of our society to feed the needs of the minority. beslubber white guilt, I ain't even american so why should I suffer for the sake of some dipamphetamine parrot from Arkansa who got into a college before me because at one point his ancestors had to work on plantations? If he can get his ancestors to be resurrected, we will talk.

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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2003, 05:22:21 AM »
Doesn't take long for people to misinterpret my words of wisdom for what they'd like to hear. Still, I agree with all of you that white people are given a one-way mirror when it comes to racism.

What you have to realise is I'm refering to this girl's group as a singularity. She was indeed being racist.

I'm not saying you're all incorrect, just that she was in the wrong. Now perhaps some of you would like to stop being so antagonistic - that's how racism starts.
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