Topic: What would you change if you got asked to write the next IG codex?

[Gurney]

i played a guy the other week who had an allied inquisitor and put 6 ogryns in the land raider. made a real mess of my arbite lines. In the end i managed to get a dreadnought in and tidy up but not after i lost 3 squads to shooting and cc.

Sorry I came so late to the party on this thing, and I don't want to start going off on a tangent again. But, the reason he cannot do this is very simple. The codex has priority over the rulebook, correct? And the DH codex specifically states that a transport may only be used to transport the squad it is bought for. So, to be able to load anything other than the inquisitor in a land raider, you would need a house rule updating the DH rule to be in line with 5th Ed. And if you do that, then please fix the DH homing beacon as well.

[praetorian1]

maybe he means running them in there the first turn

[Tarrin the Space Marine]

or of course he could have bought it from the WH codex which has no limitations.

as with any dedicated transport he walked them in there first turn.

 

[Lazarus]

I'm pretty happy with the power level of the codex. I'd like to add some sort of psychic defense option though that doesn't require an ally to be fielded.

Storm troopers are a bit expensive.

[Tarrin the Space Marine]

you have plenty of anti-psyker defence. It normally involves targeting the psyker unit with loads of guns.

going back through it i think the oppotunity to caryy heavy weapon squads in chimera would be useful. it limits the idea of taking a mounter platoon and forves ppl to take vets.

[Underhand]

I don't object to that suggestion as such, but I really don't think its necessary.

HWTs can't shoot out of a moving Chimera anyway, so the practical effect would be to turn Chimeras into stationary HWS pillboxes with extra fire power.  That would overpower them (eg an AV12 vehicle with 3 multilaser shots, 3 heavy bolter shots and 6 Autocannon shots for 130 points, plus maybe a stubber, that can shoot at 2 seperate targets), and I don't think it would really reflect the game designers intended use of Chimeras as a troop transport with decent fire power.

HWSs are meant to be stationary long ranged shooting units - similar to the heavy weapons squads of every other army.  Giving them Chimeras would either overpower them or conflict with their intended role.

I can see the character/fluff arguments in favour of them though.

[Tarrin the Space Marine]

however a av 12 pillbox is not that good and a crew stunned result screws it over significantly.

for 130 points thats not that dangerous considering BS 3.
 

[Underhand]

You would think that, but the fact is that anything that can stun an av12 vehicle requirees s6.

s6 would insta kill one of the HWTs and force a morale check.

The amount of firepower that is needed to average 1 destroyed Chimera in a single turn is more than enough to wipe out an entire HWS.  It takes 12 lascannon shots per turn to probably blow up a Chimera - 12 to shoot, 6 to hit, 3 to penetrate av12, and 3 to roll a destroyed result - and your HWS would still be alive.  Think what shooting 12 lascannons at a naked HWS would do to it.

For 130 points, you get more firepower than a Leman Russ Exterminator, can shoot at 2 different targets and can score, the only disadvantage being a lower AV.  I can see why they didn't do it.

[Cakes on a plane]

To add something different here...

If i could change it i'd let rough riders take bikes but they wouldnt be as good as SM, they'd have the same rules as rough riders but cost more and wouldnt get any weapons mounted on the front, probably have a replacement for hunting lance with the same rules though.

[praetorian1]

O.o what???
so you'd get a worse unit for more points

scream scream yell yell

[Cakes on a plane]

how would it be worse, they'd just get a bigger move and would loose fleet. Ok valid point but i'd still like to be able to codexically mount my rough riders on bikes, i'm going to anyway 

[praetorian1]

how bout they just lose there hunting lances

but mount em on bikes with your choice of laspistol, lasgun, or shotgun (them having a CCW anyways)
and a couple of special wpn choices

i don't think would be bad lol

but ya that would be kinda cool

[Cakes on a plane]

They choose between laspistol and CCW atm, I tihnk they should on bikes they should loose the lance and get both to count as them running people down with their bikes while firing into the melee.

[Calamity]

I know what the guard need.  Stormtrooper quad bike teams!

Fast attack choice, similar to SM scout bikers, but more expensive, and harder hitting!

[Lazarus]

you have plenty of anti-psyker defence. It normally involves targeting the psyker unit with loads of guns.

lol, well played sir, well played.

However, I'd like something a little more direct in regards to stopping the power to begin with. I've chewed through lots of guard armies with my council ya know....

[Chosen Man]

I know what the guard need.  Stormtrooper quad bike teams!

Fast attack choice, similar to SM scout bikers, but more expensive, and harder hitting!

Well on this note....so ends the life of this post...we have gone from actual changes to the codex to now wish-listing and useless blabber about stuff that doesn't exist even in FW...Totally off subject....On that note....there is a 1 year band on these kinds of post(Which I will enforce!)....we've just gotten a new codex, crying about it right after it comes out is not going to get it changed....Now go out and play with our glorious new codex and WIN....Troopers Dismissed....