Topic: Why the Lasgun is the coolest weapon, ever.

[shibbyx1]

Then unless you're good aim, the casing holding the cell would be melting by the Lasgun and really shorten the life of the pack

[The GrimSqueaker]

As well as your squad as both the "recharge by fire" listing and Abnett's writings have said lasgun power packs "cooking off" when mistreated with heat. 

[shibbyx1]

It would be helpful if GW could stay with its own fluff though, in the codex LasPacks don't really have that many shots, but elsewhere i've seen the LasPack be listed as having an enormus amount of shots....

This has turned out to be an interesting thread

[The GrimSqueaker]

Lasguns have an average (depending on firing setting) of around 150 shots per magazine while laspistols are reduced to around 80 or so. There does appear to be somewhat of a decay curve though where shots fired when at full capacity are more "powerful" than those fired at lower capacities.

Information from the Imperial Munitorium Manual.

[Cpt. Cool]

Then your friendly plotoon comissar wouldn't enjoy you recharging you cells by shooting them, espeacially if you miss

150 is still alot, kinda makes you wonder why it is such a looked down on weapon

in fluff of course, I mean even tyranid standard weapons have AP,

and if GW could stick with their fluff, we'd probably be left without plasma, and you know, imperial guard would have so many more possibilities, when it comes to fluff, IG take everything

[The GrimSqueaker]

It's looked down upon as people mistake gaming values for background material. The lasgun does its job and does it well. Far better than many other weapons thrown about in conversation as somehow being better in anything other than table top terms.

[Major Arah]

It's looked down upon as people mistake gaming values for background material. The lasgun does its job and does it well. Far better than many other weapons thrown about in conversation as somehow being better in anything other than table top terms.

Indeed in game terms it is the weakest weapon. i think the only weaker thing is a grot gun.

However, in the real world they are the cheapest, most reliable, and powerful for its weapon class than anything else.

[TheBigBadPanda]

grotguns have the same str as lasguns, i think the difference is taht they are assult 1 and range 12 instead of rapid fire range 24 (did i butcher any copyright laws just now?)

[Cpt. Cool]

I wouldn't think so, its stating a fact (just went over this in web design )

the bolter is pretty much just a rapid fire missle launcer, and a logistics nightmare, I've seen replica boxes that say "warning: contents may explode or something like that"

so off the game board when you think about it is that the lasgun is the best standard weapon for any military force, imagine trying to besiege them on a desert world

[Major Arah]

the bolter is pretty much just a rapid fire missle launcer, and a logistics nightmare, I've seen replica boxes that say "warning: contents may explode or something like that"

so off the game board when you think about it is that the lasgun is the best standard weapon for any military force, imagine trying to besiege them on a desert world

Indeed the bolter is a nightmare imagine all the time that marines spend keeping theirs in working order.

hehehe OMG they have infinite ammo!!!

But i think unless you had something like tallarn extreme heat the ambient temperature wouldnt make that much of a difference.

[Lord Commissar Spiteful]

About the ammo capacity. I'd personally do something Isotopic, like our current satelites. So it makes sence that you have acapacity cause it charges by itself, but it's much lower than it's disharge capacity, meaning that after you use the charge it takes a while to charge up.

Also as far as I know isotopic powerplants use temperature differences or something to create current (or it could be the ionising effect - i forget. If it was temperature, then things like heat or light could merely be supplementary.

Plus, even in game terms it's gotten a boost. I mean what's a Hellgun if not a lasgun working at higher capacity and running from a backpack mounted atomic pile?

[Cpt. Cool]

With the desert world I meant like billeted in a fortress, plenty of places fro the guard to cool while batterys recharge

And finally the hell guns got what they deserved, S3 AP5... doesn't sound overkill as the name suggests

imagine some poor marine player who wasn't paying attention throw a TAC squad accidently out in front of some ST's, that would be hilarious

[Lord Commissar Spiteful]

Indeed. Sounds like the humble lasgun suddenly has previously hidden power - and don't forget teh sniper weapons.  I know it's just tabletop rules, but it makes the hamble lasgun take a new light.

[TheBigBadPanda]

I fim getting this correct the Hellgun is going to be AP3 in the next codex.

my nesxt thought is: "What the ****!!!"

Well, sure, they are overpowered lasguns, but slicing through power armour is too much, it still is essentially a lasgun. AP/STR4 would be reasonable O_o (although rather AP4 then, we dont need a botgun copy)

perhaps ap 4 with the opportunity to become AP3 Gets Hot! once per game?

[Lord Commissar Spiteful]

In a way you are and in a way you are not. But check the rumour thread for that.

I reckon it's not too bad hey. more focused power than a bolter, but doesn't do as much incendiary damage. Ie a laser cuts, a 20mm round explodes.

Spite

[shibbyx1]

I think its well needed, part from plasma and anti tank our usuall weapons have not so good AP.

 

[Major Arah]

And also we will be paying through our noses for them.

BUt hellguns are meant to be souped up Lasguns. I mean they have their own energy back pack thing.

[Kingside_Bishop]

I think its well needed, part from plasma and anti tank our usuall weapons have not so good AP.

 

Yeah. Like, none! Lol!

[Cpt. Cool]

Las guns are highly concetrated lasers that fire really fast, explaining why we can see them

hellguns are even more concentrated and fire faster, thus the need for a backpack, an the gyro satbilizer (pg 34 4th ed rules) in the backpack, keeping the barrel from melting and having major AP goodness

[The GrimSqueaker]

Concentrated lasers?    It's not about "firing faster" after all but the energy of the discharge itself.