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Title: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on December 30, 2007, 09:06:58 PM
Project: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
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Original Thread
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I know this is an ambitious project and I have done some scratch builds in the past all of them very small in the scope I am talking about. I have seen from the great people here all taking up nice projects. And i wanna join in but at the same time i don't want to build something that everyone else is building at the moment. I wish to build a Imperator Emperor-class Titan or a Warmonger Titan but I need some good pics as the only ones i have are out of the old game Final Liberation

all my pasticard will be arriving within the week and i want to get a jump start on my plans and layout.

Thanks Col. Xanith
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Thlaylie on December 30, 2007, 11:38:27 PM
 Have you seen pics of the Imperator Titans? That little gun on the very top? That's a Defense Laser or what is now called a Volcano Cannon which is a Warlord Titan's entire arm. I believe an Epic scale Imperator would be 60 inches tall. A 40K Imperator would be... a House.

 Sadly the plastic model is not in scale with the other models.
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Mad Dok Brown on December 31, 2007, 12:44:16 AM
Theres a couple well known Imperators, one is the infamous Plunger Imperator (http://members.cox.net/mbiasi/ArtWork/imperator.JPG) which is a behemoth at 6 ft tall, a true wonder to the 40k world. The next is a little less complex Dreamforge Titan (http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/1565/done25zo.jpg) templates for this design were done by Armorbimbo (AFIK) and the templates are still floating around. And I strongly suggest when embarking on a possible half-a-year build like this that you go with templates, if you're off by an inch on a 6ft titan, you'll notice.
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Arstahd on December 31, 2007, 01:08:36 AM
Have you seen pics of the Imperator Titans? That little gun on the very top? That's a Defense Laser or what is now called a Volcano Cannon which is a Warlord Titan's entire arm. I believe an Epic scale Imperator would be 60 inches tall. A 40K Imperator would be... a House.

 Sadly the plastic model is not in scale with the other models.
Yeah, but the Imperator's Volcano Cannon is smaller than a Warlord's in the same way that a devastator marine's lascannon is smaller than a leman russ's.  The Imperator has the top of the line model, smaller package, same punch. 

With a 40k Warlord coming in at around 2 feet tall, an Imperator should be about 5 feet.  Thlaylie, are saying that the epic scale Imperator should be 5 feet tall?!?  What are you smoking?  How did you come up with this figure?
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Admiral Stukov on December 31, 2007, 01:28:57 AM
Thnank god for wikipedia then. Weighing in at an austonishing 100 metres high(aprox), and able to tranport entire battle companies to assault in their leg departments, these bad boys are 63 inches tall. Gl Hf dude.

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this is apoximate as it says a warlord is 40% the size of a imperator, in my construction of a warlord i have concluded it to be 28.5 inches of hieght(40 metres)
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on December 31, 2007, 05:47:41 AM
wow the plunger titan is massive and the dreamforge looks to be the size i want o build is there any detailed pics i could also use?
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Arstahd on December 31, 2007, 03:13:22 PM
wow the plunger titan is massive and the dreamforge looks to be the size i want o build is there any detailed pics i could also use?

The plunger titan actually looks a tad small for an Imperator, only about 4 feet tall. The dreamforge one isn't even close, maybe 2 1/2 feet.

Sounds to me that a Warlord titan is more what you're looking a building.

Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Mad Dok Brown on December 31, 2007, 03:38:06 PM
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wow the plunger titan is massive and the dreamforge looks to be the size i want o build is there any detailed pics i could also use?
Sure, in fact Dreamforge is the name of a short-lived company that made those titans, there were a couple versions and very few made. The company has basically become dead (at least thats what I assume from the website (http://dreamforge-games.com/)). Heres a few WiP pics (http://www.joshuabuchanan.com/dragonpit/40k/Judge/The_Judge.html) of one of the Leviathan Mortis titans from DF.

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The plunger titan actually looks a tad small for an Imperator, only about 4 feet tall. The dreamforge one isn't even close, maybe 2 1/2 feet.

Sounds to me that a Warlord titan is more what you're looking a building.
I beg to differ, check the WiP pictures above, the DF is about 4ft I estimate. Although I will say that Warlords are a bit more common and definitely easier to make with virtually no curved surfaces and very boxy design. 
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on December 31, 2007, 04:33:33 PM
Well after a long period of research plus googling ive found that the titans all of them are differnt sizes even if there the same class. because of this i think when im finished with my model im guessing its gonna be between 3-4 ft high  Right now i have sketches of the frame i will employ im gona go with steel frame, the steel weighs in total about 1-2 lbs  but after i weild it all togather i will take pics and post it. hopefuly i can have that done before my nice order of plasticard comes. I hope 2 sheets of 48 X 96  at .60 and 1 sheet of 48 x 96 at .10 will be enough.

i will scartch build everything but the IG men who will man it.

Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Arstahd on December 31, 2007, 05:28:01 PM
I beg to differ, check the WiP pictures above, the DF is about 4ft I estimate. Although I will say that Warlords are a bit more common and definitely easier to make with virtually no curved surfaces and very boxy design. 
3 foot tops.  The warhound next to it is less than 12" and it looks to be just over 3x the warhounds height.

I dug up my epic imperator and after making some comparisons have come to agree with the 4" height that Mike Biasi came up with for his version (the plunger one).
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Thlaylie on January 1, 2008, 06:03:10 AM
 Forgeworld 40K Warhound Titan is 10.5" tall (says so on website). Their Epic Warhound is 1.5" tall. GW Warlord= 2.75" tall.
2.75/1.5= 18.3333333333333333 3333333333333 X Forgeworld 40k Warhound 10.5"= 19.25" Warlord Titan. This equation also has the 2" tall Epic Reaver coming out to 14" tall in 40K. They just released it and it's 14" tall!
This will be our measure.

 The little Defense Laser is .5" long, The Warlord's Volcano Cannon is 1.5" long or the height of the Epic Warhound, so that little gun will be 10.5" in 40K. I guess this is doable in 40K.

 Anyone doubting the Defense Laser bit just has to compare it to the MK I Warlord Titan's Defense Laser, they are identical weapons with the Imperator's in a Basilisk type turret mount. It is also listed as a Defense Laser in the Imperator's profile. :P 8)
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on January 1, 2008, 08:35:03 AM
well this is what i got so far.

12" for the legs
18" for the torso
6" for the main cathedral
8" for the towers

so i am looking at 3 feet 8"
tho i think when im done it will be a bit taller
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Arstahd on January 1, 2008, 02:18:06 PM
well this is what i got so far.

12" for the legs
18" for the torso
6" for the main cathedral
8" for the towers

so i am looking at 3 feet 8"
tho i think when im done it will be a bit taller

Your numbers don't seem right.  The legs are too short, while the torso is too long.  I think it would look better if those numbers were reversed.  The catherdral and towers are going to add to the torso size and the legs will look very stumpy otherwise.

The little Defense Laser is .5" long, The Warlord's Volcano Cannon is 1.5" long or the height of the Epic Warhound, so that little gun will be 10.5" in 40K. I guess this is doable in 40K.
Why are you ignoring the fact that the Imperator's DL is half the size of a Warlord's?  Different versions of a similar weapon can, and do, have vastly different sizes. 


Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on January 1, 2008, 02:50:51 PM
well i put some pics up of the mockup frame its located on the fisrt thread , thats were i will be keeping all my images at. right now both the legs and torso leght are 16" plus a few extra inches from the joints. when im dont it will look like the legs are longer as the torso section will be small comparied to the legs and the catherdral

Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Arstahd on January 1, 2008, 04:06:49 PM
well i put some pics up of the mockup frame its located on the fisrt thread , thats were i will be keeping all my images at. right now both the legs and torso leght are 16" plus a few extra inches from the joints. when im dont it will look like the legs are longer as the torso section will be small comparied to the legs and the catherdral

The legs still look a touch short, do you have a pic that is taken fron a more horizontal angle?

Did you glue yet?  If not, you may want to flip the pelvis joint piece. As it is, it looks as if your titan has a third leg  ;).
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on January 1, 2008, 04:17:53 PM
no it doesnt have a thrid leg and it is taken from an angle, nothing is glued yet its  just a mockup of the frame, the arm joints i plan on using magnets to hold the weapons. but it looks odd right now because its just the frame it will take shape when i start adding the rest of the structure
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Arstahd on January 1, 2008, 08:43:41 PM
no it doesnt have a thrid leg

I was making a joke on how it resembles having male genitalia.  If you flip that piece there won't be as much hanging down is what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on January 1, 2008, 08:48:49 PM
oh... :D but after putting the wood platform ontop i have decided to increas the legs by 3 more inches and also bringing the legs 2 more inches closer togather. i did a paper mockup of a few things and the way it is now as you pointed out its off.
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Thlaylie on January 3, 2008, 05:38:36 AM
 OK, did some measuring and calculating:

 Imperator Titan Defense Laser is 7/8" long or .875"
 Epic Defense Laser is 1.5" long
(from MK I Warlord Titan Adepticus Titanicus game)
 (1.5" divided by .875" = X1.7142857)
 Multiply the Imperator model's height of 5.25" by this and you get a modest 8.9999999" tall Epic Imperator Titan.

 Divide this by the Forgeworld 1.5" tall Epic Warhound and you get X5.9999999
 Multiplied by the Warhound's Forgeworld 40K cousin's height of 10.5" and we get:

 A 40K Imperator Titan standing 62.999998" tall! That toilet plunger model is probably the correct height.

 For grins lets assume the plastic Imperator is the correct height at 5.25" tall due to some miracle of miniaturation of it's Defense Laser. Divide this height again by the Epic Warhounds and we get X3.5. Multiplied by the 40K Warhound's height and we get a 36.75" tall Imperator. Kinda puny for housing all those platoons it's supposed to.
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Mad Dok Brown on January 3, 2008, 12:18:56 PM
Or you could go the other way, if a Space Marine in 10ish ft tall, 3.5meters to round it off, and the fluff says that an Imperator is 100 meters tall, and assuming a SM is 1.5" then the Imperator should be about 43" tall. So if you figure the titan has 16" tall legs then you could stuff about 100 in one leg alone, and thats about the size of a battle company i assume. 
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Arstahd on January 3, 2008, 09:05:48 PM
  For grins lets assume the plastic Imperator is the correct height at 5.25" tall due to some miracle of miniaturation of it's Defense Laser. Divide this height again by the Epic Warhounds and we get X3.5. Multiplied by the 40K Warhound's height and we get a 36.75" tall Imperator. Kinda puny for housing all those platoons it's supposed to.
A 7' tall marine is a bit over 1.25".  This works out to where 1 actual inch equals about 5 scale feet.  The above titan would be about 183 feet tall.  The lower leg, which accounts for nearly a third of the overall height, would be about 60' tall.  A six story building, even if filled with machinery would have plenty of room for a few dozen soldiers.

For kicks, your 63" version works out to be 315 scale feet tall.   Quite a bit roomier, and it does line up with the 100 meter reference that some fluff mentions. 

GW's flexible sense of scale leaves plenty of wiggle room.  Depending on how you look at it, an Imperitor is between 3-6 feet in 40k. If I was to build one, I'd stick to the low end of the spectrum.  It will still dwarf anything on the table and you would actually be able to move it out of your basement.
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Thlaylie on January 4, 2008, 01:40:42 AM
 One thing we can be sure of in GW scaling is that marines, vehicles and titans all have separate scaling. So comparing a marine weapon to a vehicle's won't work. All we can really do is use the existing models and weapons in a particular class. For example: I compared the Epic Titans to determine scale with the only existing model Titan in both Epic and 40K, the Warhound. That they just released the Reaver and he is exactly the predicted height makes my point. I can understand GW not making the Imperator to proper Epic scale as that would have used a bit more plastic/ cost more/ possibly beyond their molding tech at the time. I'll have to make a proper 9" Epic Imperator some day.
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Arstahd on January 4, 2008, 03:35:31 AM
The biggest hangup I have about your 9" model is that it ends up three times the height of a warlord.  The differential between each step of the three smaller classes is what, 3/4"?  Jumping from the warlord to your Imperator is a leap of over half a foot, in epic scale no less!  That just doesn't jibe with me.  That's too huge of a gap with nothing in between.

I think that the relative scales of the actual epic models are pretty right on.  I liken three smaller ones to a man, woman, and child in size and relative power.  The Imperator at fully twice the size of the man is a veritable giant in comparison.  If anything, it's the FW titans that are too small.  If the FW warhound was a slightly more robust 14", the Imperator would come out at about 4 feet tall.
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: malicant on January 4, 2008, 08:01:55 AM
In the horus hersey novels, is the imperator titan bot described as being 41 meters tall??
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Snike on January 4, 2008, 09:45:56 AM
Gah, lotsa posts, no time... Whatever, straight to the point: that's big. Can't say anything else ATM, cos that still looks very WIP, other than if the legs will be straight as it looks like now, I will probably choke you. Knees for the win!  ;D
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on January 4, 2008, 11:28:25 AM
Gah, lotsa posts, no time... Whatever, straight to the point: that's big. Can't say anything else ATM, cos that still looks very WIP, other than if the legs will be straight as it looks like now, I will probably choke you. Knees for the win!  ;D

well the legs will not be straight , just the frame legs are. everything will be covered by the plasticard and one of the legs will look like its moving the other one will be bent slightly. im keeping the frame legs straight for support.
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Snike on January 5, 2008, 01:47:34 PM
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the legs will not be straight
That means that instead of choking, I will probably hail you when that monster is ready.  ;D
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on January 5, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
hehehe well thanks.  ;) but yeah what you see right now in the pics is the support frame thats gonna hold all the weight. i was gonna use steel pipes but the cost of weilding plus the weight alone would make it hard for transport. so i am using plastic plumping pipes for the support.

update.

just got my shipment of plastic in today and started doing the basic structure. the foot wiill have 3 toes in the front and a big toe in the back, there is a pic with just one toe there.

also all photos are on the first post.

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Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: danscan on January 11, 2008, 04:07:19 PM
PVC will hold the weight just fine.  You may be able to shave off some of the cost by just using 1/2" or 1" PVC.  Cheaper and you don't have to get it welded.  The only draw back is leg positioning.  But since you are going to not use bent legs for structure only for show it does not matter.

Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Col. Xanith on January 12, 2008, 05:58:16 PM
thanks, it just takes a little plasticard magic to make the legs look bent XD
Title: Re: Imperator Emperor-class Titan
Post by: Admiral Stukov on January 17, 2008, 10:09:58 PM
A 40K Imperator Titan standing 62.999998" tall! That toilet plunger model is probably the correct height.
god damit this was already posted