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« on: August 11, 2003, 11:13:33 PM »
Why was WWII started???

And why did Australia get involved???
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2003, 11:19:25 PM »
well you could say it was when the rest of the world reacted to hitlers little party...
though there was alot of other sheit happending too but i wont look em up... i suggest you should  ;)
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2003, 11:20:45 PM »
WW2 was started mainly because of Hitler and him annexing former German territory until the allies of the league of nations thought it was enough when he declared war on Poland. Australia was in it because it was dragged in by Britain because it was a colony and therefore obliged to help the mother country in arms. Someone would probably give you a better overvierw than this.

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2003, 11:47:45 PM »
Australia also got involved when the japenese started rampaging through the philipines, they had to take some stand.

 America had promised aid to the european contries battling germany, but did not fully get involved until pearl harbor.  My dad was there passing papers when the attack began, and he watches the movies and always points out that the Japs hit only military targets, where the older movies show them hitting civilian areas too.

Many things, other than that happened long before to start the war on the european continent, but a book will give more insight than any of us could write here.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2003, 04:29:36 AM »
To make it totally black and white, WWII stareted because Hitler invaded Poland.

Oz got involved as it had commitments to the commonwealth and to Britian. This is why NZ got involved too.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2003, 05:58:45 AM »
Yup.  Thats about right.  Although most movies you see wil be glorified American or british ones, rarley will you see a NZ or Oz one and i dont think i have EVER seen one from the Axis POV :P

Although, on another note (just to spice this thread up) the allies did some pretty horrible things.  Grated there were the concentration camps and jap POW camps (which were very bad, yes)

But lets not give the example of the nucking of Japan.  Lets say, ohh the bombing of dresden.  No military targets.  A large part of the city torched or flattened and 40,000 dead.

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2003, 06:17:50 AM »
Yeah, aus mainly joined because of the japanese threat, and they were already allies from WW1.
And yeah, u have to remember there is no good and evil.

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(im not trying to say that what hitler didi was good though!)

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2003, 07:33:37 AM »
u have to remember there is no good and evil.

`the victor writes the history books`

remmeber that!

(im not trying to say that what hitler didi was good though!)

you have a good point there, continuin the point that willy made we also had concentration cramps that we put german pows in, they were lucky, japanese pows were killed on the spot and officers heads were put into bags and used as footballs (yes this is true i was told by an eye witness)
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2003, 07:39:06 AM »
[...]i dont think i have EVER seen one from the Axis POV :P[...]
An example would be "Das Boot", which shows the (authentic) story of a submarine, U-96.

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2003, 07:55:04 AM »
Das Boot rules. Though not entirely from german perspective, A Bridge Too Far is good also.

But then you get c--p from John Wayne, or inaccurate nonsense like The Devil's Brigade where a rag tag squad of four, tobacco chewing grunts take on a panzer division, and we get all surprised when the Americans lose one guy towards the end of the movie (but it's okay, you see the german who shot him get shot by the most pacifistic member of the team).

Examples include - Kelly's Heroes and Dirty Dozen, or more movies of their ilk.

Oh, and I've never seen it, but Cross of Iron is from a German perspective.

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2003, 08:08:08 AM »
Well... they were a part of the Brithish Empire  (later the Commonwealth) and they just did what the Coverment wanted...... fought in both Asia and Europe...
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2003, 08:22:38 AM »
But then you get c--p from John Wayne, or inaccurate nonsense like The Devil's Brigade where a rag tag squad of four, tobacco chewing grunts take on a panzer division, and we get all surprised when the Americans lose one guy towards the end of the movie (but it's okay, you see the german who shot him get shot by the most pacifistic member of the team)

Another good example of that is saving private ryan.  They take on 2 tigers, 2 peices of artillery (they are NOT panzers) and over 50 infantary.  Then then were a little unhappy when most get swamped and killed.  Or when Steamboat Willy gets shot at the end ( :'(), he surendered, technically what Upham did was against the law, and he could get shot for it.  No mention of that in the film though.  :P

But, if the axis had won the war, chances are we would be watching glorious victories of thiers instead, so its understandable


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Re:WWII
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2003, 10:23:24 AM »
We would also be speaking German and living under a oppressive racist and intolerant regime.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2003, 06:25:39 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2003, 07:44:20 PM »
Tell me that none of you can think that Hitler was a positive influence?  :o
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2003, 09:05:08 PM »
well, right up until he started rounding up Jews and waging war on us, he was thought of rather highly in Australia, at least, for getting Germany's economy back together.

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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2003, 09:07:17 PM »
 Technologically speaking we would be in flying cars..and on the moon probably, considering the Nazi Regimies obsession with new and better military technologies, if they had gotten the Jet Engire technology perfect just a year or so sooner the war could have totally turned..
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2003, 09:49:44 PM »
Tell me that none of you can think that Hitler was a positive influence?  :o

Accually we have multiple facists/nazi's on this board.

Anyhow, the allies did do sme bad things, the Americans putting all Japanese in concentration camps for instance, but comparing them to the atrocities that the Japanese and Nazi's commited is insanity pure and simple.

If you want to see atrocities look up:

Waffen SS
Totenkopf
Unit 731
The final Solution
The Rape of Nanking
The Burma Railway

that is just the tip of the ice burg as they say........

People b*tch about what the Red Army did to Germany on their march to Berlin. That was nothing more that pay back, I can't remember who said it but I remember a Red Army officer grabbed a Nazi officer by the scruff of the neck soon after teh surrender at Stalingrad. He pointed and said "look, look, this is what Berlin will look like".

The Red army did some terrible things, but the Nazi's did all that and worse tro teh Soviets. Rape was nothing to do with sex most of the time; it had to to with the fact that teh Germans considered them sub-human, and being raped by a subhuman is the highest form of humiliation to a nazi; that's why it was illegal to do so in Nazi Germany.

Anyhow, as for movies, there are no good WWII movies. I have a great idea for a 4 part epic from the point of view of teh Germans; but it would cost about 1 billion US to make (roughly) and it would get slammed by the critics who wouldn't be able to see that it was a accurate representation of what happened; not a pro-nazi movie.
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2003, 09:57:28 PM »
"Sink the Bismarck" is a great film! Also "Das Boot" that Astaroth mentioned. Band of Brothers is good too, though it's not actually a film, it's a series.



Hmm... I think the worst thing that the Allies did was deliberately causing the firestorms in Dresden and Hamburg with mass incendiary bombing. Tens of thousands of civilians were killed in these attacks, which were of dubious military value at that late time of the war. Doesn't compare to the Nazi and Japanese atrocities though.

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2003, 06:39:39 PM »
I heard that "All quiet on the Western Front " is a good book.

I also heard that Hilter was appointed by God, as it says, (Every last one of my discussion board threads will probally have such references in) in the Book. "Every government system is appointed by God"

Not in such words, but you get the idea.

Before you flamer me to death for such a claim, let me first say teh God promised to reunite Isreal. had not such an act as the holocaust been such a horror to all the nations of the world, they would not have go together to give the Jews their homeland back.

"Surely God is cruel doing such a terrible act." Remember, that was Hitler not God. And as the Jews are God's people, he would not have abandoned them.

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