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Necron vehicle stats
« on: December 9, 2011, 06:39:30 PM »
 Anyone else notice something different concerning necron vehicles in the army summary at the back?

 Seems vehicles do have a - for WS,S,I,A.

 I wonder if this could be used as an example for that whole Time's Arrow against vehicle discussion.
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Re: Necron vehicle stats
« Reply #1 on: December 9, 2011, 07:25:26 PM »
Though I haven't seen the codex, I'm guessing that if the Newcron codex has walkers and that those vehicles do have values in those slots?

Normal vehicles don't use those stats, so they get a "-" to indicate that it doesn't apply. They also could have put an "x" or "0" or "N/A". A dash seems to be their custom to indicate a "non-stat".

For example, the most common weapon in the IG has an AP value of "-".

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Re: Necron vehicle stats
« Reply #2 on: December 9, 2011, 07:34:21 PM »
I wonder if this could be used as an example for that whole Time's Arrow against vehicle discussion.
It's just a way of having the Stalker in the same summary table as the other vehicles or else the single walker would need it's own and that would be a total waste of page space

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Re: Necron vehicle stats
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 12:26:36 PM »
I think that's just for completeness that they add the "-".

In regards to Time's Arrow, someone brought up a great point - vehicles cannot be "removed as a casualty" anyways.
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Re: Necron vehicle stats
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2011, 03:53:14 PM »
Normal vehicles don't use those stats, so they get a "-" to indicate that it doesn't apply. They also could have put an "x" or "0" or "N/A". A dash seems to be their custom to indicate a "non-stat".

- is different to 0. If you have a - it means that the stat has no purpose or meaning for the entry, whereas 0 mean you are just horrendously bad in the stat.
You can make a check against 0 but not against -.

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Re: Necron vehicle stats
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2011, 04:01:53 PM »
Normal vehicles don't use those stats, so they get a "-" to indicate that it doesn't apply. They also could have put an "x" or "0" or "N/A". A dash seems to be their custom to indicate a "non-stat".

- is different to 0. If you have a - it means that the stat has no purpose or meaning for the entry, whereas 0 mean you are just horrendously bad in the stat.
You can make a check against 0 but not against -.

 I agree with vehicles cant be removed as a casualty, but Wisdom you need to check page 7 of the BRB '0' characteristics and '-' are two representations of the same thing.

 If a model cannot use ranged weapons it will have a 0 bs, defenseless model will have no attacks whatsoever, but last one a WS0 model will be hit automatically intrigues me.
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Re: Necron vehicle stats
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2011, 04:15:28 PM »
NecronCell is correct in his citation of pg 7 of the BRB, "Zero-Level Characteristics."

I suppose an AP "0" weapon is the exact opposite of AP "-", though I know of no weapon that posesses such a characteristic.

The point I was trying to express is that vehicles, other than walkers, do not have stats in those categories, and as such they could put anything they like in there, like a !, or a $, or a R, or an "O" as in Omit... though I had posted a Zero. ;)

The Characteristics that non-walker vehicles possess can be found in the 40k RB, pg 56, left hand side.

The "Additional Characteristics" that walkers possess can be found in the 40k RB, pg 72, left hand side.

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Re: Necron vehicle stats
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2011, 04:19:56 PM »
My apologies  :-[

I assumed they were different because to my mind they are, 0 is an actual representative digit whereas - indicates that something is not applicable.
 

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Re: Necron vehicle stats
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2011, 03:40:09 PM »
 GreatBigTree you are correct though with codex superceding BRB, Necron vehicles are listed at the back summary as having - for WS,I, A.

 I' am not sure if this is geared towards 6th edition or just that they wanted to save room by printing the vehicles all in the same block instead of walker here and vehicles there.
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Re: Necron vehicle stats
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 11:21:53 PM »
I'm not sure if you're trying to imply that because they have a "-" under those columns, that non-walkers have a valid stat in those categories?

If so, you'd have to quote a passage from the Necron codex that alters the 40k RB's function of using a "-". For example, some small arms [Flashlights] have an AP of "-"... meaning that they do not in any way penetrate armour. In the case of the vehicles cited, they in no way possess a WS, I, or A stat.

To elaborate further, a Monolith can never benefit from anything that would boost the attacks of nearby friendly models. It does not have an attack value of "0", it is incapable of Attacks at all.

 


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