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2000pt Wraithlord List
« on: November 30, 2015, 01:55:59 PM »
I want to make one of models in the game work. My goal is to make a semi-competitive list to bring to my local FLGS. Any advice would be appreciated!

EC Warhost

Windrider Host 458pts
Farseer w/ Skyrunner
Vyper w/ Shuriken Cannon
Warlock w/ Skyrunner
x3 3 Scatter Bikes

Crimson Death Formation 440pts
Crimson Hunter Exarch w/ Brightlanes
x2 Crimson Hunters w/ Brightlances

Wraith Constructs
Wraithknight w/ Ghostglavie and Scattershield, 2 Scatter lasers 325pts
x5 Wraithlords w/ Ghostglaive, 2 Flamers, 2 Scatter Lasers 775pts

My plan is to march the Lords up the table with 40 s6 shots shooting at anything out of reach of until they can reach combat. While using the windrunners as objective grabbers and the Crimson Hunters going after flyers or armor.

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2015, 09:45:53 PM »
My first observation, is that you have nothing that benefits from "Matchless Agility", so making the list fit the "Decurion" restrictions is needless.

My second observation, is that since you have no benefit from Matchless Agility, and no meaningful benefit from Tempest of Blades, you should take your "Windrider Host" as a Combined Arms Detachment, as the benefit of a rerolled Warlord Trait and ObSec for your Bikes should be much more valuable command benefits.

From there, do you really want to take a Warlock, or a Vyper? If not, then you would free up those points and also improve your list.

Crimson Death is pretty expensive, but it does what it does incredibly well, and the free cover save is pretty amazing. *smirk* I was worried that Eldar wouldn't get free, amazeballs rules on something.

The six Wraith Construct detachments are certainly an unusual build, but perfectly legal [even if you use a CAD for the bikes]. If you drop the Warlock and Vyper, you'd have some points to play around with. I'd personally suggest taking some non-scatters. Your meta might reward sticking with pure Scats, though.

I might leave one of the WL behind, in order to take another Bike unit. By doing so, each WL has an escort with [potentially] ObSec. Also, while supported by the Scatter Bikes, they could reasonably take different weapons, to complement the already saturated Scater Laser selection... Maybe.
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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #2 on: December 1, 2015, 01:39:17 AM »
I agree with Arbor, yet with a slight change in the approach.

First, use a CAD rather than a ECW on this. This would allow you to drop the warlock and vyper.

Second, add another unit of scatter bikes making it to 4 units.

The rest should be within a good parameter.
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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #3 on: December 1, 2015, 02:47:18 PM »
Thanks for the feedback guys!

If I took a CAD I don't believe I would be able to take the Wraith Construct as it is only available as an Auxiliary choice for the War Host. So wouldn't I only be able to take 3 Wraithlords?

I took the EWC Windrider Host because it was the cheapest Core choice for the Detachment. I do agree that it seems kind of a waste though. Maybe either trading Scatter Lasers for Shuriken Cannons or moving some points around for the Guardian Battle host?



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Maybe something like this

ECW

Guardian Battlehost 900pts

Farseer w/ Singing Spear 105pts
x3 Support Weapons (D-cannons) 165pts
x3 Vypers w/ Shuriken Cannons 150pts
x3 Warwalkers /w 2 Brightlances 210pts

x3 10 Guardian Defenders w/ EML

Wraith Constructs 1100pts

Wraithknight w/ Ghostglaive and Scattershield, 2 Scatter Lasers 325pts
x5 Wraithlords w/ 2 flamers, 2 Scatter Lasers, Ghostglaive 775pts

Instead of the Crimson Death Formation I could use the EML and weight of fire for AA and Warwalkers for AT. I would also benefit from the detachment bonus with nearly everything in the GB formation. Thoughts?     


 

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #4 on: December 1, 2015, 03:52:54 PM »
If I took a CAD I don't believe I would be able to take the Wraith Construct as it is only available as an Auxiliary choice for the War Host. So wouldn't I only be able to take 3 Wraithlords?

I reckon you are correct in this.
If you want more than 3 WL:s, you have two options: EWC detachment or more than one CAD.
The points you save by taking 2 CADs over an EWC detachment aren't many, so I wouldn't think about it too much.

I would, however, suggest that you consider dropping one WL for 6 additional Scatter bikes (they're roughly the same point cost).
You lose a WL, sure, but you net gain 4 Scatter lasers, on highly mobile platforms. Might be worth considering.
If you do this, I'd go for 2 CADs:
A Farseer, A Warlock (cheapest HQ choice), 5 bike squadrons with 3 Scatter bikes in each squadron for a total of 15; 4 WLs, 1 WK and the Crimson Death formation.

I'd only use a Guardian Battlehost if you like those units. Matchless Agility is only worth it if the grand majority of your army can make use of it. In your list, only the Guardian squads and War Walkers would benefit from it.
So if you're doing it for Matchless Agility, I'd think again. :)
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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #5 on: December 1, 2015, 05:22:47 PM »
If u want to build a legal wraith army fwt the new book doom of mynwra or something. I just got it and u can have a wraith army is awsome! U have a wraithseer HQ

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #6 on: December 1, 2015, 06:44:09 PM »
If I took a CAD I don't believe I would be able to take the Wraith Construct as it is only available as an Auxiliary choice for the War Host. So wouldn't I only be able to take 3 Wraithlords?

I reckon you are correct in this.

You are both incorrect. :)

I have access to the digital Eldar codex, so no page references, but beneath the large title "Choosing an Army", end of the second paragraph...

"Note that you can also include any of the Formations presented in this section as part of a Battle-forged army." In context, indicating that you can have a CAD and then take any of the formations [ie Auxiliary formations] as part of a battle-forged army.

Right before the section titled "Craftworld Warhost".

So yeah, rock as many WK as you want. The Eldar codex can be played as Codex: Wraithknights if you really want it to. Per the strict view of the rules, not that anyone would play you much. ;) Regardless, you could use a CAD as your base, instead of a Windrider host.


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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #7 on: December 1, 2015, 07:10:49 PM »
Sorry Spectral Arbour, auxiliary choices under craftworld hosts do not all equate to a formation. Some formations are auxiliary choices, but not all auxiliary choices are formations. Only the choices that have a separate entry with the formation logo (three skulls in a circle) are considered a formation.

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #8 on: December 1, 2015, 09:44:00 PM »
Tsk, don't you know how aggravating it is to be shown my errors! It shows people that I'm fallible. ;)

I was wondering why they didn't describe things like Outcasts, Engine of Vaul, and Wraith Construct at the end. Now I see why. Thanks Dog of War, and my apologies for spreading misinformation.  :-[


In that case! I would definitely go the double FOC, with a second Farseer on Bike, with another bike unit to fill in. Truthfully, I'd probably take a few more bikes, but that's my taste. In any case, dropping the Vyper and Warlock Bike should more or less give you enough points for a Bike-Seer, and then dropping one WL would give you points to spread around on another bike unit.

Again, my apologies for the misinformation.

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #9 on: December 2, 2015, 02:48:08 AM »
Wraithseer
wraithblades
wraithblades
wraithblades
wraithknight
spiritseer
wraithlord
wraithguard
wraithguard
wraithguard

this army has matchless agility and battlefocus. U can add as many wlords as u can fit to make up the points. Also you can add another spiritseer and instead take the wraithseer as a command choice by adding an additional wraithblade unit also.

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #10 on: December 2, 2015, 02:49:31 PM »
I might be misreading what you wrote, but it looks like you are just listing a wraith host formation, which you can take alone, but it does not gain matchless agility, as it is not a craftworld host. Without one of the craftworld hosts, you cannot take auxiliary units as well. The list also looks legal as two CADs, but there is still no matchless agility and no auxiliary choices allowed.

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #11 on: December 2, 2015, 03:22:58 PM »
Its the new eldar formation. Wraithseer and 3 wraith blades is the formation

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #12 on: December 2, 2015, 03:26:07 PM »
I doubt that is allowed, eventhough wraithseer is approved.
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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #13 on: December 2, 2015, 04:57:28 PM »
Thanks for all the responses guys! I've come up with a new list using the advice given.

CAD 1
Farseer w/ Skyrunner, Singing Spear 120pts

x2 3 Scatter Bikes  162pts

x2 Wraithlords w/ 2 flamers, 2 Scatter Lasers, Ghostglaive 310pts

Wraithknight w/ Ghostglave and Scattershield, 2 Scatter Lasers 325pts

CAD 2
Farseer w/ Skyrunner, SSA 130pts

x2 3 Scatter Bikes 162pts

x2 Wraithlords w/ 2 Flamers, 2 Scatter Lasers, Ghostglaive 310pts

Crimson Death Formation  480pts
x3 Exarch, 2 Brightlances 

Total: 1999pts

Couldn't figure out what to do with the extra points, so I gave the Farseers some upgrades. Any suggestions?



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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #14 on: December 2, 2015, 06:16:37 PM »
Well, looking at it like this, the question is how attached you are to 4 WL, and how much you like Bike-Seers.

If you'd rather not take a second B-S, and you'd be ok dropping down to 3 WL, you could fit that in a single CAD. At that point, you'd have X number of points to spread between FA, EL, and more TR.

I think the list looks solid as is, but depending on what you like, that would be an option. Use a D-Scythe Serpent. Let the hate flow through you. Strengthen your spirit, for the coming atrocities. ;)

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #15 on: December 3, 2015, 08:31:38 AM »
I doubt that is allowed, eventhough wraithseer is approved.

lol wtf, dude do you have the new book? Why would i lie? Trying to help...

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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #16 on: December 3, 2015, 09:06:52 AM »
Why not just give a page reference?  This would allow everyone to check the source, and would also strengthen the case that you are trying to make.
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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #17 on: December 3, 2015, 10:15:38 AM »
Why not just give a page reference?  This would allow everyone to check the source, and would also strengthen the case that you are trying to make.

Page 178:

Refer to the rules for Pale Courts Battlehost

The two traits I chose were:

Graveyard of Dreams and Tomb-ship of Fallen Heros

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Giving a page reference doesn't mean writing out all the copyrighted description and rules from the page ;).  I've edited all those out, in accordance with forum rule 1 - Iris.
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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #18 on: December 3, 2015, 11:35:36 AM »
What I am stating here is that not everyone has an Imperial Armour Book (Newest Edition), and do think about it. I did state that the wraithseer maybe approve, I did not even slightly said you lied.

@Lyonic, Please, don't get offended. It's a forum that we're helping other people utilize their codex to the fullest.
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Re: 2000pt Wraithlord List
« Reply #19 on: December 3, 2015, 12:10:51 PM »
What I am stating here is that not everyone has an Imperial Armour Book (Newest Edition), and do think about it. I did state that the wraithseer maybe approve, I did not even slightly said you lied.

@Lyonic, Please, don't get offended. It's a forum that we're helping other people utilize their codex to the fullest.

The new book basically revolutionizes how we look at formations. In the new book you can pick and choose from 3 different 'farseer must be the HQ' thing that the other 3 core hosts demand. It also lets you switch out the 'Must be Guardians/Stormguardians/jetbikes' the other core hosts deamand; allowing you to take thing like elites as troops (making it possible to make an iyanden themed army).

Not only can you take things like aspect hosts, vehicle squadrons as auxiliary choices... but it allows you to add things like warwalkers, vypers, rangers and many more to the actual core choice itself.

This is why I am so happy because I don't want to 'HAVE' to take a farseer every time if I want matchless agility. Also, if you want to take Guardians, lets say normal defender guardians. Instead of the free platform for every 10, you could get 1 platform for half the guys with the trade off of paying for it. Or for Storm, you could get extra strength when you roll well to hit.

It lets you break down what you want to do and how you want to play the game. Forgeworld models aside, this is a must own book for anyone serious about playing either narrative or competitively.

And I am in no way offended, I am here to help and share ideas about how to destroy everything not elder, using every ounce of eldar trickery we can muster!

 


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