Topic: Pyrovore- experience using one?

[Hive Fleet Dread Q'thulu]

so what have been the experience using one or more of these things

[Khira'lyth]

I haven't used one as of yet, but I can't see it being all that fancy.  It's an expensive heavy flamer that, if you're really lucky, will blow up and take a few more baddies out with it.

Interesting in that it's basically a suicide bomber... that's a KP nightmare (possibly enough to keep it out of lists)... though I don't think it does the job all that well.

The flamer is decent against MEQ in general coverage, but the more models in the unit, the more models you'll hit... however swarmy types will typically be able to take away its measly 2 T4 wounds before any sort of power fist has the chance to swat it (giving it a chance to go boom).  Even then, the resulting boom is questionable (though also potentially hilarious).

Perhaps a squad of them in a spore would make the enemy think twice about bunching up into cover (to protect from our sad lack of offensive grenades)... in which case taking one cheap-enough sluff unit may be worth it.  Though it still eats an Elite slot, which is highly regarded these days.

We'll see...

Khira'lyth

[Hive Fleet Dread Q'thulu]

i found it worth it just for the factor of having a large blast sized spore land in the middle of my friends army( we agreed that in order for it to carry something as big as a fex or three pyrovores it was the same size across as a large blast) it made back its points and the points of the vore which got sweeped by Shas'o and my hive guard wrecked a hammer head which was almost three times his points cost

[Je[st]er]

to me it looks like a "hit me to kill the rest in one shot" unit
when you walk it with your own swarm army...
1 or 2 shots... and kablauwy there it goes, up in smoke... together with a handfull of your gaunts!
don't have the codex on me atm but if i'm not mistaken it's not just the enemies that get killed by the blast.
he's easily killed, and the orc version on a truc which is cheaper and faster... i don't think i'll ever use this in my army!
to bad though... think the model is awesome!

[The Reborn]

i don't think i'll ever use this in my army!
to bad though... think the model is awesome!

Isn't that a good enough reason to play it J?  Does everything have to be about all-out effectiveness now?  Outside of tournaments, wouldn't it be nice to see players fielding stuff they liked, rather than what was most effective.....

[No no no no let's not derail the thread with suicide bomber comments.  -Mr.Peanut]

-VH

[Ends_Mouth]

I can see it working really well. Plus i'm getting my hands on a few, because it's freaking sweet looking. Though they do bare a striking resemblance to a sponge finger and some sugar lumps.

Three heavy flamer templates followed by power weapons and the chance to detonate is too good to say no to.

[Siege_TF]

Most units that include a flamer have a few ablative shields to allow the flamer to get in range... No meat shields, no mycetic spore, no infiltrate/hybernate, not a troops choice so it can SCREEEED, no other way way to put it in reserve unless it's a rule of the game itself to use a Trygon tunnel.

Think I'll pass. Maybe if it could project the template like a hellhound.

[Deathpepper]

I'd maybe use pyrovores as a counts as biovore, since it's a cooler mini. 

Hey, look, there's something worse than a biovore in this ed!
/faints

[Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown]

I rather like the look of them, to the shock of everybody here. They can in fact use the Trygon tunnel if they want to (as there is no restriction on what units can be placed into reserve), and they can put out quite a lot of damage for their points costs by my maths, and with certain units in support they can actually tear through things in CC as well

[shaten]

by my maths, and with certain units in support they can actually tear through things in CC as well

and this is why he is called chuckles

A pyrovore in CC is pretty close to useless, 1 attack at init 1. To be fair it will NEVER get to use that one attack,
So the only use in CC is acid blood or blowing up. Since blowing up will occur at I 1 with the power fist that leaves acid blood. Acid blood will fire twice and has a decent chance at killing ONE model.

45 points for this piece of crap, no I can't find a single army to put them in.


On a hobby note, I love the models and will painting up a brood for fun.

[GaleRazorwind]

Most units that include a flamer have a few ablative shields to allow the flamer to get in range... No meat shields, no mycetic spore, no infiltrate/hybernate, not a troops choice so it can SCREEEED, no other way way to put it in reserve unless it's a rule of the game itself to use a Trygon tunnel.

Think I'll pass. Maybe if it could project the template like a hellhound.

Uh, have you actually read the codex yet? Pyrovores can take a Mycetic Spore and since they are Infantry, they can use a Trygon's tunnel. I still wouldn't take them though.

[MaldeCaderas]

Now that I see nobody loves them I feel compelled to make use of them.
Someone can clarify if fnp+acid blood works together? Like if someone deals a wound, and takes acid blood damage, and then fnp counters that wound, or is it countered before actually being delivered and triggering acid blood?

Other than that... lets see... What if I try to minmax? Three spores with three pyrovores each? And the power that lets you run and shoot in the same turn, these guys can make use of this, I believe.

Maybe they start behind some dudes to get their cover saves... in fact they may hide behind big bugs to keep free of being shot at, and then they may use move + run + template thing?

Well... I tried...

[Deathpepper]

Right, so they'll flame once before the enemy kills them.  Compare pyrovores to heavy flamer platforms in other armies.  They're terrible. 

During the rumors phase I figured they'd have good cc abilities and hellhoud template rules, but what we got is an overpriced, fragile, short ranged, suicide shooting unit. 

Buying the mycetic spore makes them more expensive and adds another kill point so you can...flame once.  Oh, unless you're fighting mech, oops.    

[Raktra (So long, I guess)]

I have to say that they were the one disappointment in the Codex for me, which makes me breath a sigh of relief that I didn't pre-order any. I find it shocking that a Zoanthrope has the same CC ability.

EDIT: Ok, the Pyrovore has a power weapon. My point stands otherwise.

[Hive Fleet Dread Q'thulu]

it seems like the consensus is it isn't worth it unless your playing a guard player that uses alot of troops and no chimeras hehe.

[shaten]

I have to correct my earlier post

Pyrovores don't suck - maybe

After reading them a dozen times I finally understand their role in life. To kill the most powerful squad the opponent has.

given:
Elite: Terminators (5#, 280 pts)
   0 Terminators @ 280 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Icon of Khorne; Mark of Khorne)
      5 Terminator Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Mark of Khorne; Lightning Claws (pair) x5)

A quickie example this is 5 base attacks at 4 and 4. so the Chaos Terminators charge my one lone Pyrovore.

30 attacks - 20 hit - 15 wounds.

So now the fun part kicks in, My Pyrovore as 15 Unsaved wounds. That means that unit must take 15 Initiative test.

so 15 *5 = 45 init test = 15 power weapon wounds.
10 unsaved wounds by the terminators.

Now while getting them into combat is a pain, the worse the odds are for them the better they work. I wonder If one Pyrovore could kill an entire seer council....

[Raktra (So long, I guess)]

I'm pretty sure Acid Blood only affects how many wounds the creature actually has. You can cause Instant Death on something with 3 wounds 10 times and claim to have won the combat by 30 after all.

[shaten]

acid blood says "For every unsaved wound", combat resolution talks about the number of wounds a model has.

(Yhea maybe I got a bit of rules lawyering here but the FAQ will clear that up)

[Raktra (So long, I guess)]

You can't cause more wounds than it actually has though, so I still don't think it'd work that way. Perhaps this is one for the rules forum.

[shaten]

well since I went down this rabbit hole.

The limiter on combat resolution.
Pg 39 col 2 4th par - Determine Assault Results
"...,nor do wounds in excess of a model's Wounds characteristic"

reading this page I can see pro cons on the argument, got the feeling this is an FAQ question in the long run.