Topic: Your worried about Iraq? look at Israel!

[Scars]

Iraq has no nuclear weapons. This is a fact that everyone accepts. sure they may have chemical weapons but they are noware as powerful as a nuke; once again this is perfectly acceptable. Also, they are most likely to use these weapons against their own people (kurds etc) than anyone else. Are they are major threat to the world? no.

Now Israel on the other hand has nukes. Their leader is a terrorist (seriously) and they can be highly unpredicatble, erractic and are very violent. They have US made nukes that will work (while on the other hand there is a possiblity that North Koreas won't get off the ground) and yet you are more worried about Iraq.

Out of all the countries I think could start another world war Israel is at the top of my list. Because they are protected by big brother (USA) they can do anything they want. Does anyone agree with me?

[Vice]

That is true and i have actually pointed this out to some friends. They are much more random thats for sure as well

[Lomendil]

Israel knows that it will lose US support , not to mention worldwide support , if it launches a nuclear attack without HUGE justification .

The real danger is , IMHO : America + Allies attack Iraq . Iraq launches chemicals at Israel . Israel responds with nukes . The destabilizing effect of this would be MASSIVE . I think that it is a possible outcome to the current situation .

In the last Gulf War , Israel had threatened to respond with nuclear weapons if Iraq lauched chem/bio Scuds at them . Sharon is a complete Hawk , and I think that he would be very likely to use them , if provoked .

[Scars]

teh US has to support Israel, it is part of their legislation.

[Lomendil]

teh US has to support Israel, it is part of their legislation.

There would be protests from millions of American people if the US continued to strongly support Israel after it had launched an unprovoked/unjustified nuclear attack .

The legislation would be changed , by a President eager for a second term...

[Scars]

teh US has to support Israel, it is part of their legislation.

There would be protests from millions of American people if the US continued to strongly support Israel after it had launched an unprovoked/unjustified nuclear attack .

The legislation would be changed , by a President eager for a second term...

do you really think that Bush has enough intelligence to think that far ahead?

[Lomendil]

teh US has to support Israel, it is part of their legislation.

There would be protests from millions of American people if the US continued to strongly support Israel after it had launched an unprovoked/unjustified nuclear attack .

The legislation would be changed , by a President eager for a second term...

do you really think that Bush has enough intelligence to think that far ahead?

Perhaps not Bush himself , but his administration and advisors would .

[XfinianX]

anyone who uses nukes will recieve condemnation (sp?) on a global scale.

a biological attack is something horrific - most biological agents arn't exactly quick or painless killers. it can affect whole communities - even whole countries if carried out 'correctly' (i use that term losely, as no biological attack is ever correct IMHO).

a nuke is far worse - in my opinion. It has a 100% effect after detonation (a bioligical attack has all the factors of spreading through out the population - a nuke just blows everything up instantly). If one detonates in a city - the entirely population is as good as dead. there is no vacine for being caught in an explosion. only those with suitable protection will survive, and how many of us have fallout bunkers in our back yard?

a nuke also has various other after effect. It is likely the area will be left highly irradiated after the explosion making it almost uninhabitable. nukes also have untold effects on the atmosphere - which everyone knows is not in great shape at the moment.  A nuke could affect the whole planet by damaging the atmosphere so the after effects could reach far beyond the target zone.

[Archon Kojourin]

Iraq has no nuclear weapons?  How do you "know this for a fact"?  Are you on the UN Inspection team?    Yeah, they are likely to use this against thier own people and ours too.  Of course you probably weren't alive to remember the Gulf War.  We did go to war with them, DUH!  There is going to be a little "hostility".

Israel is pretty shady.  But they won't dare do anything that will lose them support.  So its POSSIBLE that N. Korea's nukes won't even make it off the ground.  So I suppose one could simply not do anything or care until N. Korea does launch one and we'll watch it until we see it is actually getting closer and closer to us and probably when its about to land we'll be like:  "I'll be damned, the beslubbering thing reached after all."  Sorry, nobody is that stupid, not even Bush.  Though you seem to be.

[Scythe]

Israel will not fire Nukes, are crazy, not even America would be stupid enough  to use them, they are big bluffs thats all. And when Iraq attacked Israel last time in the Gulf War they were told by the Americans not to retailiate and they didn't.

they can be highly unpredicatble, erractic and are very violent.

They only once in there histroy started a war, and that was the creation of their nation. They will retailiate without warning a don't give to [I swear way too much] whose land it is, I see that as a smart move as long as they only hit there target.  

I don't believe the Israels would use Nukes, they haven't even used chemical warfare Nukes are a last resort (something I would never like too see happen, or else the world would die) but the North Koreans on the other hand have already told the Americans to [I swear way too much] off, and have admittied they have a nuclear project going, they are a more of a threat than Iraq, but once Hussains gone maybe the US will turn there attention to them.

[Zeus]

I dont like Isreal, but at the present time id say iraq is more of a threat......its just isreal can do all their misdeeds with economics and subterfuge in the US govn.

[Scars]

Archon Kojourin, i said that this is generally accepted. Even the USA says that it is highly unlikely that Iraq has nukes; and even if they did, would you trust the Iraqis to make a functioning atomic bomb. They are quite complex you know?

North Korea isn't a threat to anyone but South Korea and Japan. They know that their nukes would get shot down in 2 minutes MAX by the US. Japan is teh centrepoint for Imperialism in the  Asia-Pacific region and they are still at war with South korea.

Also, I was alive when you were off in the gulf. I remember watching the footage on TV- entertaining TV.

Also, although they don't like to admit it, the US has large stores of bio weapons and still has development programmes going.

[Zeus]

Hahah, scars, i was 6 when they invaded in the Gulf, so you had to of been about 4 and telling me you remember watching tv?.........

[feintstar]

Why not? I remember watching it on TV when I was (hang on doing the maths) 8 years old (ha ha, older than both of ya). I remember things when I was 4 years old - its kind of a memorable thing, seeing a high tech, medium scale war on TV as it happens...

And Scars, I'd agree that Sharon is just as unpredictable as Hussein. And just as much of a nationalistic Hawk. And yes, they do do a lot of incursion work, and that sucks. Furthermore, Isreal is clearly the most expansionist government in the last 50 years. Land that has been taken in war has been built on, and will continue to be. People have been pushed out of their homes onto the street.

But what is most shocking is the fact that Barak and Arafat almost had a deal, when Sharon DELIBERATELY went to the temple mount (While being strongly advised not to, for the sake of peace) which began the interfada. This act resulted in a swing to the Likkud party, propelling him into power.

Sharon has sacrificed the lives of innocents and the hope of peace in our time, all for the sake of his own power.

Saddam Hussien eat your heart out.

(and like has been said, Isreal has nukes, and an extremely good army navy and airforce. One of you Americans (Was it you Zeus?) was saying that they even killed americans to cover up the fact that they accidentally bombed a U.S. navy vessel and tried to blame it on the Egyptians. Overall, we have a rogue state, with a rogue leader. And similar to in Iraq, the people are not rogue.

At very least, put some trade sanctions on those guys. That actually WOULD knock Sharon out of power, rather than fortifying the leadership position, as it has in Cuba and Iraq.

[Scars]

Hahah, scars, i was 6 when they invaded in the Gulf, so you had to of been about 4 and telling me you remember watching tv?.........

I was 5, all I can remember was 2 troopers jumping out of a chopper.

[Archon Kojourin]

I was 13 so I remember it pretty well.  I was older than any two of you put together at the time.  

[Scars]

I was 13 so I remember it pretty well.  I was older than any two of you put together at the time.  

well don't you feel important and special?

Ariel (girls name!) Sharron (another girls name!) is just as bad as Saddam. He is the Jewish version of Saddam.

[Archon Kojourin]

Don't be jealous because you were still a spoon full of amphetamine parrot in your daddy's balls.

Besides being of my age at the time and your age (of which you wouldn't remember jack amphetamine parrot I don't care how good you claim your memory is) I remember the war a lot better than someone who didn't even start school yet.

Besides, with the twisted facts you like to post your credibility goes right out the window.  And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

[Scars]

Don't be jealous because you were still a spoon full of amphetamine parrot in your daddy's balls.

Besides being of my age at the time and your age (of which you wouldn't remember jack amphetamine parrot I don't care how good you claim your memory is) I remember the war a lot better than someone who didn't even start school yet.

Besides, with the twisted facts you like to post your credibility goes right out the window.  And you wonder why people don't take you seriously.

You are a total f*cker. you sum up all that i hate about Americans. But as I am just a stupid f*cking Communist your post won't get modifed but I am almost certain mine will.

Uh, some people have memories well earlier than the age of 5 you dumb f*ck. I can remember things that happened when I was 3 for christs sake! just small snippets, not whole events.

Twisted facts? No, i speak the truth; not some fact that has been through the media, capatalists and Imperialists where it has been manipulated, changed and censored just so that you can look f*cking spotless.

And if people don't wanna take me seriously, fine. It will be them up against the wall in teh revolution.

[Dark Fire]

About isreal responding with nukes to an iraqi attack. I think the isreal realises that once the US attack begins the threat to them posed by iraq will dissapear, eliminating the point of nuking them.