We aren't pulling out anytime soon. Haven't you guys heard, the only reason the US went in there is to steal all the oil and we haven't even begun to pump Iraq dry.
Really? We get more oil from Canuckistan and Mexico than we imported from Iraq Pre Second 'Gulf War'. Venezuela is closer, has a somewhat dictatorial crazy ass america-hating WMD seeking(at one point anyway) president, adn more oil than the entire middle east... why didnt we invade them? Not only that, but Canada and the US combined(even individually) have more oil than the entire middle east. Look up Oil Shale and Oil Sand... its true....
As the republicans have been telling us... this is not Vietnam.
If you think it is, reread your history. The situation is very similar when broadly generalized, but if you zoom in a teeny bit more Vietnam and Iraq are very different. It could be argued that IRaq is worse AND better at the same time.
For instance, there is no north invades south element. The entire country is currently in US hands, although elements of it are rebelling. We haven't resorted to chemical warfare. Casualty rates on both sides are a lot lower(From what I recall, dont quote me though). A minority group is opposing us, whereas in vietnam a majority group for lack of a better term opposed us. Currently much of the fighting is about religion, whereas that didnt exist in nam. The only real similarity is that our soldiers dont know who the enemy is, although its a lot better than nam. I can keep going with the differences and the few similarities, but I wont.
But then Bush couldn't pay back all of the people that put him in office in the first place. If hurricane Katrina weren't an act of nature... I would blame that on Bush too.
For the record, the response to Katrina was actually one of the fastest in the countries history. DURING the Hurricane there were quite a few NG heli's in the air rescuing people, by the end of the first day, there were so many that quite a few had to be called back because there was such a high risk for aerial collisions.
7) More people showed up to vote in Iraq per capita (even though criminal insurgents threatened them with death) then show up for elections in the US (Sans being threatened with death).
A sad day for us indeed for the US, but a great one just as well, for the US and Iraq.
True... but they are still blowing up american troops with great persistence. It is easier to fight the troops on their turf then get caught trying to blow up something here. Sure, it may not send the same message, but killing troops in Bahgdad still sends a message.
Yeah, it sends a message that the world is hypocritical. Young teenage boys being mutilated in the streets of cities, and the world doesn't bat an eye. Terrorists in Club Gitmo for the most part being given gourmet food, Korans, and rather fair treatment, and a small minority being 'tortured' and the world cries out "INJUSTICE!"
Do more research. All of the chemicals that were found were pre-91'. All of these weapons were also included in all reports from the Weapons Inspectors sent by the UN. For all intents and purposes, we already knew about these weapons.
SO what you are saying is that these weapons, which were clearly still illegal for said nation, should have been ignored because they were relics of the first Gulf War and were already documented? Faulty faulty logic and reasoning.
They do not deserve rights under the Geneva convention. What they deserve are speedy trials (as promised by the democratic form of government we are shoving down their throats in Iraq), not drawn out sentances... END OF STORY.
They are mostly being treated well though. And my dad has newspaper clippings that some of you would find interesting. Gitmo inmates being released to afghanistan or iraq being caught taking shots at our troops.
ALSO, WHAT ABOUT OUR SOLDIERS WHO ARE PROBABLY STILL UNDER LEGAL DRINKING AGE THAT ARE BEING MUTILATED AND TRULY TORTURED? WHY DO YOU NOT CRY OUT THAT THE TERRORISTS ARE VILE? I understand killing is a part of war, but are these people so subhuman that they have to make bodies totally unrecognizable, even to the people who knew them best? Why dont I here you crying out for those people? Why is it the people that shoot at us that you have to 'protect' when they are being detained to prevent things like this from happening? BULLamphetamine parrot!
I can explain that. Americans are lazy. Too many have lost faith in our government to work.
Did we forget to mention the words 'ever in the United States'?
Perhaps I object to the American treatment of prisoners, I assume you saw those photos, how's that for hard facts?
Funny, there are x00(0?) people, in Gitmo, and yet only a handful of them 'suffered' so, and all of a sudden all prisoners are being treated that way? Tell me, why is it that our guards in Gitmo are forbidden to touch the Koran unless they are wearing clean white gloves? That the inmates get better food than many US citizen inmates get in Federal penetentiaries? OH, and the inmates get Koran's and any litereature they so desire(within reason) at the expense of the US gov't? Oh, and they are also provided with all the items necessary to observe their faith, recieve excercise, have access to televisions, rec rooms, gyms, etc. etc. and are allowed to observe some religious holidays? Funny, I thought that was torture. SO what if like 20 inmates are 'tortured' by having a guard pretend to sick german shephards on them, even though the dogs are never allowed to touch them, simply to get vital info to keep our boys safe. I admit, that what those guards did to those terroristss was very sick and disturbing, and only brings us down to the level of a terrorist, I still dont see how that is defined as torture, and all of a sudden a minority represents the majority.
Where is this evidence, show me one scrap of information that shows that?
Well, for one thing, UN inspectors did find some weapons that were deemed 'illegal' or had the potential to be 'illegal', and this was duly reported, and after the invasion, we cannot find a good chunk of it.
The media are the people who get us the pictures of American and British troops beating Iraqi prisoners and expose them to the world (when the soldiers don't take the pictures themselves).
I once thought Australians were cool.... (congrats on managing to tie croatia yesterday though). You realize that this is a minority occurence, yes? That several US soldiers have been sued by terrorists for the following: Soldier A opens fire on Terrorist first, Terrorist is than injured, files lawsuit, suit is honored by US courts, Terrorist had weapons on him which gave Soldier A good reason to fire, but because Terrorist didnt use weapons, it was a crime, and Soldier A is jailed. Hell, one judge wanted to give a certain Corproral(or was it Colonel) the death sentence for doing just what I discribed.
Oh, and may I mention that what the terrorists/insurgents have done, are unlawful under the Geneva conventions? OH, but of course they dont have to follow it, but we do?
Yes, I do believe that, that is why I believe in the free press, had they not been there, would we have even seen the video footage of British troops kicking and beating Iraqi prisoners, would we get the real casualty numbers? No.
Also, might I add that what we have done to them is less than 1 one billionth of what they have done to us, and they started it!
Not only that, but I see 4 or 5, 6 tops different soldiers in all those pics, and at most 20 or so Iraqis.... so thats a majority?