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2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« on: October 18, 2016, 08:55:54 PM »
So I'm thinking of attending a local tournament in a couple of weeks, since it's been a long time both on these forums and any 40k playing.

I've concocted a list in accordance to very harsh compscores.
Here's a link to the comp rules in English: OneDrive

Formations are forbidden, however other things from apocalypse are allowed, such as fortifications.
But the comp is both harsh against psykers, vehicles & MC's.
And  a minimum of comp score 15 is required with a maximum use of comp 20, compscores above 20 will be considerrad 20 for all purposes.
A higher score means a more friendly(weak) list.

This is list has comp 15.5 15.0:

ELDAR 2000
HQ 325
Illic nightspear 140
Autarch, Wings, Mask, Fusion.G, Firesabre*, Phoenix gem, Faolchu's Wing 185
TROOPS 935
10xRangers 120
10xGuardians, EML, Warlock, Spear 160
+ Wave Serpent, underslung cannon 120
10x Storm guardians, Warlock, 2x Flamers 135
+ Wave Serpent, underslung cannon 120
10x Dire Avengers, Exarch, PW & SS 160
10x Dire avengers, Exarch 140
ELITE 360
10x Howling Banshees, Exarch, Executioner 150
10x Striking Scorpions, Exarch, Claw 210
FAST 240
2x Wave Serpents, underslung cannons

HEAVY 360
3x War Walkers, 6x BL 210
3x Dark reapers 75
3x Dark reapers 75

* = Replaces plasma grenades

Should I dedicate the serpents to some units? (them both having OS costs .6 comp score)
I'm also thinking wraithblades + sanctic Eldrad could be fun.
What do you guys think?

EDIT: It's now the final list, I dropped 1 guardian and downgraded to flamers for the stormies, the added the PW&SS for one DA unit. Also the Serpents are now OS.
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Re: 2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2016, 07:16:36 AM »
Hey Fenris. Wowzers that comp system is extensive...

What I like: I like the Banshee and Scorpion combination. I've been using Scorpions extensively for the past 30 or so games and they've been huge for me. Also x2 Reapers is also very cool. Used a unit of 5 in my past 2 games and they were aces... there are lot of Bikers out there and I would expect to see White Scars or Ravenwing regardless of formations of the comp. I also like the presence of the Serpents. People dropped them like a bad habit when the new dex' dropped but I've found them incredibley useful for resisting Alpha Strikes which are still possible with or without formations. I also like the presence of the War Walkers with BL's. Nice choice... I'd outflank them and battle-focus away

What I question: The Troops sections section to me could be stronger. Maybe it has something to do with the comp... but if I were you I'd beef up those Avenger units and drop one of the Guardian units.

Also on your question of the Wraithblades. I really like mine but they've struggled as of late. They are good deepstrike defense, but with both the Banshees and Scorpions on hand I'd say they are redundant. Also love the idea of using Sanctic. I've used that before and it was crazy awesome. Sanctuary+Gate of Infinity was insane. You should of seen this Tau player with his Riptide running all over the board to escape them it was hilarious (I did nab him in the end).

Anyway cool list Fenris. The only thing I'd change around is the composition of your troops selection. I'd double down on 2x 10 Avengers and a unit of Guardians if you can hack it. I play Avengers all the time and I find that max units rewards me immensely.
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Re: 2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2016, 12:17:34 PM »
Yes, the comp system is extensive but still a bit skewed, I'm happy the link worked :)
Thank you for your input :)

I've been using 5x reapers mostly, but the comp system really rewards the 3-man units, and with Illic in the list the Exarch is sadly a big no-no.

The serpents and war walkers have served me well in the past however I do not usually outflank the war walkers, at least not when there is an AV13-14 vehicle on the table, since they can scout to a better position after both sides have deployed.
The War walkers are the most expensive unit compwise though.

About the Avengers I initially had 2x9 Avengers but found it cheaper comparred to the points cost to have three units, since the Exarch gear is free from comp penalties, however after some thought, I could spend those points on a spear for the second warlock, and a phoenix gem for the Autarch, or maybe even swap the Autarch for Yriel?
(that swap would save me .5 comp points)

Yes, the wraithblades are not that much frowned upon in this comp system, and with sanctuary their forceshields becomes really useful. In addition sanctic powers are not considerred the most powerful ones so it is possible to get away with. Comparred to telepathic Eldrad there is a 4.5 difference in compscore.

I would probably have to rebuild a large portion of the list if I were to include this deathstar. Such as dropping the scorpions, the war walkers and the Autarch.






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Re: 2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2016, 01:00:38 PM »
Hey Fenris... yeah I would NOT drop the Walkers, Scorpions and Autarch for the Wraithblades. I'm an enormous fan of Scorpions and found them to be far, far more effective than Wraithblades. I've found them to be far more resilient and their offensive output far exceeds that of the Wraithblades. The reliability of the mandiblasters + sheer amount of attacks, plus the ULTRA deadly Exarch is more than enough to shred through almost any bike or infantry unit. Mine have been all-stars and I wouldn't swap them out for anything (including more Spiders, or Jetbikes and I'm dead serious!  ;D )

As for the Autarch... I'd keep him as is. I like Y'riel but with the Wings he can go off and solo small squads almost anywhere on the board, lend his fusion gun to taking out a vehicle, contest objectives or flit from from unit to unit lending punch where needed. You might want to give him a power spear as well. As the Str boost will help immensely especially against stuff like Space Marine combat squads.

I think I understand your reasoning on the Avengers... if you could elaborate a bit more perhaps I could go back and forth with you a bit more. I'm definitely not a fan of Shimmershields and Dire Swords in a regular points game... I tend to play keep away with my Avengers keeping them as far away from combat as possible... but perhaps you have a plan? I'd be fascinated to know...

Also  I definitely agree on the Walkers. I think I'm too used to running my Hornets with Acute Senses, and I'm forgetting about using their Scouts rule when I don't need to avoid an Alpha Strike. Gotta remember that going forward!

Anyway no prob on the input. It sounds like an interesting challenge which is why I chimed in. Let me know about those Avengers when you get a chance... Besides that I like your list a lot and would enjoy running it myself
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Re: 2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2016, 05:08:23 PM »
I've done a couple of changes, and I will most likely not go for the wraithwall.
Power Spear won't penetrate power armour, do you mean the laser lance, to take it I would have to change the wings for a skyrunner and the fusion gun would not be that necessary. It would look like this:

Autarch, Skyrunner, L.lance, Mask, Phoenix gem 125

I would then have 15 points left to play with, if I go this route, I would probably give him a Reaper Launcher, at the cost of downgrading the stormies fusion guns to flamers, as that would save the points and comp score I need for the reaper launcher.

The Autarch could of course get lucky and have his strength improved if one of the warlocks rolls the right psychic power.

Another option is of course the firesabre, is that what you meant?

I prefer running my Avengers with just the Exarch upgrade alone, no exarch gear. So the Exarch gear are basically just points fillers, points which could be used elsewhere if the comp scores allows it.
I brought the shimmer shield just in case there will be heavy bolter around, and the diresword to have a nasty surprise on the odd chance that it will remove something from the table.

Regarding the comp-score I talked to the TO and 15.5 will be rounded up to 16, while 14.5 or even 14.9 would not be allowed, so hitting the 15.5 mark is quite good.


MODIFYED THE LIST AGAIN.
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Re: 2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2016, 06:58:45 AM »
I really like this list now. You have a ton of deadly bladestorm potential with the Guardians, Avengers and Serpents. A very solid CC core for handling infantry (taking pressure off your shooting to hold the lines). And some nice specialists in the Reapers and Warwalkers. I think you have excellently covered your bases.

As for the spear without getting into stats, I believe you can bypass power armor the turn you charge. Then its AP drops after that. Could be wrong though... I'm only on my first cup of coffee. lol

Also the Firesabre is a solid option. I used that little baby for months... of course when GW re-legitimized the Iyanden book I went straight back to the Soulshrive... though getting it to power up is annoying.

I also still prefer the Wings on the Autarch if he's not running with a bike unit, so as per the current list you've got I think you have a great configuration.

Anyway Fenris I think this is a great list! Its something I'd love to try running myself... very classic but has good personality with the cool characters (Autarch and Illic a combo I've taken before too) and a bunch of units of under-rated but very effective units like Scorpions and Banshees which are hard to play but can make a huge impact in a game. Also I think you've got some meta-busters like the Reapers who will shred Bikes, and even Illic can be very useful for removing stuff like Grav guns and other special weapons from incoming units.

Anyway great stuff Fenris. Please let us know how you did, or how your practice games go if you get a chance. Good luck buddy I'm rooting for you!
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Re: 2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« Reply #6 on: November 1, 2016, 08:51:12 AM »
Thanx Cavalier :D
I will try to get a good report, and maybe I can snap some foto's with my new(er) phone if I don't get too caught up.

I've sent in the list now, and the tournament starts this Saturday, and so far it's 10 ppl.
Don't know what armies they are playing, but since I know a few of them, I'm expecting AM, ORKS, CD/SM, SM/Eldar(Iyanden), Necrons/Nids.

However the missions have been released...

The first mission is to get your models across the board, turn 1-3 you get 2VP for every unit that leaves through your opponents table edge. For each objective you hold you get to draw a new card (max 5 on hand).

Second mission is a bit of everything, some killpoints, some objectives, but multiple 1VP linebreakers.

3rd mission is 2 relics(one each) 3VP, objectives and some killpoints.

4th mission has Last blood 2VP, Warlord 2VP, First blood 2VP and objectives.
(To get last blood the last unit slain must be within LoS of a TV-team that roams the board)

In the first 2 missions I will likely have good use of the Faolchu's wing.

In the first mission I'm thinking of loading up the reapers into the serpents, and fly them over to the other side (one way or another).
Rangers will grab some terrain near opponents DZ if possible, since Illic makes them ignore enemy proximity.

In the other missions I will probably have to improvise, but in mission 4 I really want to go second, and I bet everyone wants to.
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Re: 2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« Reply #7 on: November 1, 2016, 10:30:41 AM »
Cool missions. Always love those convoy type scenarios where you have to get off the board. Illic and his lads will be able to pull that off quite easily, same with the Scorpions. Even the Banshees booking it on foot should do well. Getting the serpents across the board will be quite easy too, so long as they don't run into too much Ignore Cover. Good spread of scenarios many of which I think will work to your advantage.

Glad to see an update Fenris. Really looking forward to seeing how you do and if you can manage to snap some pics that'd be great. Good luck Fenris!
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Re: 2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« Reply #8 on: November 6, 2016, 06:12:36 PM »
I will try to do a full battle report when I have more time and put a link to it here.
The tournament didn't go at all as I had planned, but at least I had fun playing not taking it very seriously.
This were due to several reasons, one being my favorite mission being exchanged in the last minute, for a boring one.
But I'm not here to rant about it, here's a short summary:

We were 10 players and the armies were:
4x Eldar, 2x Battle sisters, 2x Orks, 1x Nids, 1x IG (NO MAREENS!)
The TO did not join in with his Chaos mareens due to an even number of players attending.

1st game was against Eldar(Biel-tan including an Avatar) balanced mission that should have been mission 2.
2nd game was against Battle sisters (mission 3).
3rd game was vs IG with the 2x relics.
Finally the 4th on day 2, I faced Eldar(Iyanden including a WK) with the Last blood and TV-Team.

I got a couple of pictures from the first 3 games, but forgot to take any in the last game. I will try to include them in the full report, while there are no closeups, they should give a good overview which should enhance the report.
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Re: 2K Friendly tournament with comp, standard FOC's - only
« Reply #9 on: November 7, 2016, 07:03:42 AM »
Hell yeah. Glad you had fun and that it was a fairly casual event. Neat spread of armies too, sounds like good composition of factions for a campaign. Can't wait to see some pics and get a little bit of a breakdown. Thanks for keeping us posted Fenris!
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