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The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« on: May 6, 2006, 02:50:00 PM »
Hey, what unit of what army do you think is the strongest CC. Consider Point costs too. Exclude Special Characters and HQ, we'll have that later.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #1 on: May 6, 2006, 02:57:27 PM »
Against what? Wyches generally come out on top against other CC specialists due to Wych Weapons and an invul save in CC, but there are a lot of other CC specialists that excel against other units (Banshees for instance, one of the only cheap-ish all Power Weapon squads).

You also have to beat in mind what slot they take up in regular armies, e.g. Genestealers are a default Troops choice for Nids (unlike Wyches who are Elite except in alternate armies), which really works in their favour as they'll start on the board in escalation.

There is no 'best', as where one squad fails another will succeed and vice-versa, so unless you give more specfici parameters this is a pretty impossible question.

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #2 on: May 6, 2006, 03:41:12 PM »
I agree there is no best, but I have found the orc warboss retinue(excluding the boss) of  fully tooled up Nobz in Mega-armour ---DIS IS COS DA ORKS ARE DA 'ARDEST OF ALL DA RACEZ AND DA NOBZ ARE DA 'ARDEST OF ALL DA ORKS, CRUSH DA 'OOMIE SCUM--- to be damm hard, striking scorpians can be pretty resilient aswell, it all depends on your situation really.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #3 on: May 6, 2006, 04:32:39 PM »
Strongest CC unit? Normally, I wouldn't hesitate to say "Seer Council", but since you excluded HQs, I'll have to come up with something different.

Let's see... Wyches are resilient vs. Power weapons and strong vs. dual wielders, but will falter against swarms. Strinking Scorpions are good against any non-elite non-powerweapon units, but suck against the aforementioned. Banshees excel against heavy-armor-reliant troops, but have a hard time vs. swarms and Wyches. Genestealers and Possessed are good against almost any kind of units, but are expensive for what they do, and the former isn't very resilient, either. Monstrous creatures, like Wraithlords and Carnifexes, as well as CC vehicles like Dreadnoughts, will eat through swarms and lesser infantry, but are vulnerable to shooting.

What I'm trying to say is: It depends on the situation.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #4 on: May 6, 2006, 04:36:07 PM »
Khorne Berzerker, Chain Axes of Khorne, 3+ saves alot more stat lines I can't remember at the moment. Get em in twelve packs. (Remembers time when Dark Angels couldn't hold back the two squads of berzerkers, then the Aspiring Champion did his job right... it was horrifying. Broken bodies and Whirlwind reckage everywhere!)

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #5 on: May 6, 2006, 04:38:20 PM »
5 Incubi cut 10 man berserker squads to ribbons tho, altho they could "technically" be classified as HQ as they are a Retinue. Grey area there.

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #6 on: May 6, 2006, 04:58:41 PM »
5 Incubi cut 10 man berserker squads to ribbons tho, altho they could "technically" be classified as HQ as they are a Retinue. Grey area there.

eh, why not. You can include them again when it comes to the HQ
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #7 on: May 6, 2006, 05:02:54 PM »
Wraithlord for survivability.  3 attacks at s 10 In 4, T 8.  Thats the good stuff.
 
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #8 on: May 6, 2006, 05:10:13 PM »
I just had a thought, two words - DEATH COMPANY
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #9 on: May 6, 2006, 05:59:10 PM »
Wraithlord for survivability.  3 attacks at s 10 In 4, T 8.  Thats the good stuff.

Consider point cost... Limited Option... Takes up Heavy Space....

I just had a thought, two words - DEATH COMPANY

No offense, but I've heard a lot of Eldars and DE saying how they were able to screw Death Companies really easily.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #10 on: May 6, 2006, 06:02:02 PM »
Nightbringer?

Pariahs?

... I dont know, too many options, it all depends.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #11 on: May 6, 2006, 06:08:44 PM »
Wraithlord for survivability.  3 attacks at s 10 In 4, T 8.  Thats the good stuff.

Consider point cost... Limited Option... Takes up Heavy Space....

Hello! since where are considering CC ability you can scrap the heavy weapon and the Lord costs 75 points.  How many other CC specialists can you get for that?
 
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #12 on: May 6, 2006, 06:12:04 PM »
[quote author

I just had a thought, two words - DEATH COMPANY

No offense, but I've heard a lot of Eldars and DE saying how they were able to screw Death Companies really easily.


So you might think but the blood angel who I usually play against uses 2 uber chaplains and about 15 death company. and I don't have a lot of strength 8 or above weapons in my army, I play alaitoc(and not the cheesy all rangers and pathefinders with 3 wraithlords and an avatar kind, I play a balanced, themed army) so they are pretty hard to kill nothing but a double toughness hit or a power weapon in close combat can deny them thier "feel no pain" well I can tell you they certainly make me feel the pain, i can beat them hands down with my Ulthwe though.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #13 on: May 6, 2006, 06:21:33 PM »
[quote author

I just had a thought, two words - DEATH COMPANY

No offense, but I've heard a lot of Eldars and DE saying how they were able to screw Death Companies really easily.


So you might think but the blood angel who i usually play against uses 2 uber chaplains and about 15 death company. and i don't have a lot of strength 8 or above weapons in my army, i play alaitoc(and not the cheesy all rangers and pathefinders with 3 wraithlords and an avatar kind, i play a balanced, themed army) so they are pretty hard to kill nothing but a double toughness hit or a power weapon in close combat can deny them thier "feel no pain" well i can tell you they certainly make me feel the pain, i can beat them hands down with my Ulthwe though.

Hello Incubis, Hello Dead Death Company

Wraithlord for survivability.  3 attacks at s 10 In 4, T 8.  Thats the good stuff.

Consider point cost... Limited Option... Takes up Heavy Space....

Hello! since where are considering CC ability you can scrap the heavy weapon and the Lord costs 75 points.  How many other CC specialists can you get for that?

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #14 on: May 6, 2006, 06:24:24 PM »
Ok here are my pick for best CC units so far in the game:

1. Genestealers: Can face up agaiest the best of them, and are good for there price
2. Khorne Berzerkers: i Love watching
3. Chaos Dreadie in Blood Frenzy

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #15 on: May 6, 2006, 06:26:05 PM »
Ok here are my pick for best CC units so far in the game:

1. Genestealers: Can face up agaiest the best of them, and are good for there price
2. Khorne Berzerkers: i Love watching
3. Chaos Dreadie in Blood Frenzy

Yes it does all depend on what your faceing...

I heard about Khorne Berzerkers, never heard about Dreadie (dreadnaught?). Even Tyranid player knows that Wyches own Genestealers.
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #16 on: May 6, 2006, 06:27:51 PM »
Ok here are my pick for best CC units so far in the game:

1. Genestealers: Can face up agaiest the best of them, and are good for there price
2. Khorne Berzerkers: i Love watching
3. Chaos Dreadie in Blood Frenzy

Yes it does all depend on what your faceing...

I heard about Khorne Berzerkers, never heard about Dreadie (dreadnaught?). Even Tyranid player knows that Wyches own Genestealers.

Wyches own pretty much every CC Specialist in the game, it's one of their primary purposes. Genestealers canm go toe-to-toe with almost anything and still do excellently in CC, they have a versatility Wyches lack.

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #17 on: May 6, 2006, 06:28:52 PM »
True, True.

I feel sorry for Tau and Imperial Guard, they seem to be out of this discussion...
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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #18 on: May 6, 2006, 06:34:59 PM »
the basic orc slugga.

cheap as chips, tough, allows all those pesky big oomies no better than a 4+ save and are a troops choice. power weapons are as effective as normal ccw weapons so they are wasted points. power of the waaaaaagh on the charge.

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Re: The Big Bad Wolf: Who's the toughest CC unit?
« Reply #19 on: May 6, 2006, 06:43:19 PM »
I think that the best melee unit for it's cost is the chaos spawn. It costs five more points then a marine, has S and T5 2 wounds and D6 attacks and the same save as a marine, plus they are units of 1-5 so you can have 15 in one army, plus more as wargear, and you can turn enemy unit's into them as well. They are able to stand a pretty good chance against any enemy unit, and are overall a swell unit to have...I highly recommend them.
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