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Offline Guntharwest

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I've been collecting & playing Eldar for years, and haven't seen anywhere that is specifies whether the belly gun on a falcon or Wave serpent is a turret with a 360 deg arc, or just a fixed gun with a 45 deg arc of fire.

Any ideas??

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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #1 on: January 2, 2010, 12:53:53 AM »
Considering its location, I would call it a hull-mounted 45 degree turret.
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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #2 on: January 2, 2010, 01:16:55 AM »
They're turrets and 360 degrees like the top turret.
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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #3 on: January 2, 2010, 01:19:25 AM »
And here I was about to say something about how I would have to look at a model first-hand to gget a better look at it. Afraid I sold off the Eldar army, so I don't have a Flacon to look at anymore.
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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #4 on: January 2, 2010, 03:43:29 AM »
This has come up in my games before and I am of the view that, of the four weapon mounting options on p59 of the BRB, it looks most like a hull-mounted weapon (45 degree fire arc).  They are clearly not mounted on a turret and they are clearly not mounted on a sponson.

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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #5 on: January 2, 2010, 03:46:40 AM »
360 degree arc. Always has and always will be. The whole upgrade to Schuriken Cannon has been turned into a joke since 5th ed started, so don't short change it any further.

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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #6 on: January 2, 2010, 03:51:53 AM »
If it isn't glued in place, it clearly spins 360 quite easily.  I sadly had to break a lot of underslung shuricannons off with 5th ed. :(
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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #7 on: January 2, 2010, 04:40:40 AM »
EDIT: never mind.
« Last Edit: January 2, 2010, 04:42:13 AM by Pershore »

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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #8 on: January 2, 2010, 05:21:38 AM »
The 40K rule book FAQ says that the underslung shuri-cat on Eldar tanks is a 180 firing weapon.
It is able to rotate 360 but has a blind spot due to the hull right behind it.

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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #9 on: January 2, 2010, 06:05:21 AM »
Well after reading the FAQ, it seems to me that they have house ruled it that way because "it does not look like it can be fired
through the main hull right behind it".  I know that on my Wave serpents, they have a slight tilt forward and can definitely see behind them.  So, agree with your opponent before hand and come up with "an acceptable compromise."
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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #10 on: January 2, 2010, 09:00:18 AM »
I've always played it as 180 degree firing arc. Still, it often brings arguments for some reason...
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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #11 on: January 2, 2010, 09:50:59 AM »
I use TLOS with 360 degree arc, if it can be aimed at the target it can be fired, I've never had anyone complaining about it.
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Re: Is the Belly gun on falcon / Wave Serpent considered a turret?
« Reply #12 on: January 2, 2010, 12:27:00 PM »
Have to say that I play similarly to Fenris. If you have the weapons able to turn and they can do so so that the barrel is not blocked by the vehicles hull then you can clearly shoot them. If my proponents complain I just point out that everything is TLOS now.

If you have the weapon glued in place then obviously you are going to have to agree on weapons arc with your opponents....

Course it's all a mute point now since defensive weapons are only strength 4 or less.... (Though on a separate note why an assault weapon can't be fired as a defensive weapon is beyond me.)

 


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