Topic: 40k Versus Terminators

[Major Arah]

How would the races fair against the terminators from the movies, and more specifically how would a marine fair against one?

[-The Reaper-]

I guess that the answers already there.... I would have made a terminator's stat line almost exactly the same as necrons (word need +1 initiative though).

I think the 'rons are basically terminators with better guns and better abilities. I would say that a terminator v a marine would be quite close but the marine would have it. I think the marine will simply be too fast for the termie.

[Erenthal]

I guess that the answers already there.... I would have made a terminator's stat line almost exactly the same as necrons (word need +1 initiative though).

I think the 'rons are basically terminators with better guns and better abilities. I would say that a terminator v a marine would be quite close but the marine would have it. I think the marine will simply be too fast for the termie.

I suspect that a T-800 would be handful for a Marine, but not impossible. As seen in the movies, their armour is tough but not impenetrable. A .50 should do the trick, and god forbid a bolter! The Marine is both much faster and more agile. And if the Marine should have a powersword? Ugly....

The T-1000 on the other hand could be tricky... first off, how do you kill it? I can see a melta or plasmagun hurting it bad though...

[Major Arah]

how about simply hand to hand?

I suspect that a T-800 would be handful for a Marine, but not impossible. As seen in the movies, their armour is tough but not impenetrable. A .50 should do the trick, and god forbid a bolter! The Marine is both much faster and more agile. And if the Marine should have a powersword? Ugly....

The T-1000 on the other hand could be tricky... first off, how do you kill it? I can see a melta or plasmagun hurting it bad though...

.50 cliber?

How about the other races?

[Erenthal]

how about simply hand to hand?

It is not a stretch to assume that a Marine could administer a beatdown to a T-800 in close combat, fist to fist.

.50 cliber?

Yea, in the movies they only shot at him with 9mm bullets. MP5s and handguns. He flinched a bit, and they scratched his paint. However, a .50 rifle can shoot through an engine block, so it is reasonable to assume that a .50 could seriously threathen a T-800. A bolter is .75, so I wouldn't bet on Arnie against a salvo of bolters...

[Vlex]

Interesting thought: would a T-X be able to override the machine spirit of power armour?

[Erenthal]

Interesting thought: would a T-X be able to override the machine spirit of power armour?

Hmm, good thinking.

Hard to figure out though. The systems in the movie were all familiar to the T-X (since she came from the future, and was an evolvement of many of the systems she controlled) and rather simplistic.

The systems of the power armour might be unfamiliar and probably much more complex. And then there is the possibility that the Mechanicus have installed safeguards (against demonic intrusion and corruption of the systems, but "demonic" in this case might as well mean "electronic"...) to protect the armour against tampering.

However, the T-X is sure to be quite a fight, even against a trained Marine. I would perhaps pit "it" against a Marine veteran with a powersword or fist, for a fair fight.

[Kage2020]

40k systems are not immune to datawarfare, though, as illustrated in Dark Adeptus.  It's just that the people that are capable of doing it are fairly limited.

Kage

[Major Arah]

Then considering the fact that terminators are so unagile, would that mean they would be a tie between them and a guardian, as a guardian would not have the strength or means to kill it, but the terminator cant hit it?

[Rasmus]

When the Terminator gets close enough he is still going to rip the poor guardian apart. For what he can't hit; try a Harlequin. There's something you can't hit.

[Erenthal]

40k systems are not immune to datawarfare, though, as illustrated in Dark Adeptus.  It's just that the people that are capable of doing it are fairly limited.

Kage

Certainly so. Apart from the tech-priests working with cogitator-systems, and the specialists working for the Inquisition and maybe some rare self-thaught individuals, "hacking" is a seldom seen skill in the 40k-verse...

[Kage2020]

Certainly so. Apart from the tech-priests working with cogitator-systems, and the specialists working for the Inquisition and maybe some rare self-thaught individuals, "hacking" is a seldom seen skill in the 40k-verse...

Well, a part of that is the 'flavour' of the universe and what tends to get written about.  Then again I'm an advocate of the 'diffuse technology' approach to the adeptus mechanicus and technology in the Imperium.  That is, up to a given level knowledge is spread throughout the Imperium, but past it it remaisn in the sole hands of the adeptus mechanicus.

After that it's a matter of society.

Kage

[Erenthal]

Well, a part of that is the 'flavour' of the universe and what tends to get written about.  Then again I'm an advocate of the 'diffuse technology' approach to the adeptus mechanicus and technology in the Imperium.  That is, up to a given level knowledge is spread throughout the Imperium, but past it it remaisn in the sole hands of the adeptus mechanicus.

Oh, I'm in agreement with you on the "diffuse technology" part. After that, it depends on where you place the limit of "civilian" technology.

Personally, I don't really see advanced cogitators with networks in the hands of "regular" people. Simpler computers maybe, on civilized worlds.

[Kage2020]

Perhaps just a variation of pre-WWW Internet, as it were...

Kage

[Erenthal]

Perhaps just a variation of pre-WWW Internet, as it were...

Kage

Very possible. Certainly not off-world though, and most likely monitored by the authorities.

But now we are deviating dangerously off-topic, even though it is a damn interesting discussion

[Kage2020]

OnT?

T800 - Marine would be fine.
T1000 - Trouble would be had.
TX - Trouble would be had.

Simple enough.

Kage

[Lonewolf]

Then considering the fact that terminators are so unagile, would that mean they would be a tie between them and a guardian, as a guardian would not have the strength or means to kill it, but the terminator cant hit it?

Where do you guys get the impression, that terminators are slow und unagil?
In the terminator movies i watched, Arny seemed to be pretty fast and agil. And the T1000 even catched a driving car... I think this would qualify for fleet of foot.

Now, lets see... both unarmed and without powerarmour, the terminator would probably win. They are hard to destroy as it is, and they are quit strong and fast. Marine with powerarmour and the fight would be more even i think.

Now if you throw in weapons, i guess, its simply who hits first. Both have equal good aim and good senses. But i think a terminator could carry heavier weapons and still shoot on the move (like his 40k namessake).

[mrspungebob]

Im not sure which models corresponds to which terminator, so please assist:
T-800 = Good ol' Arnie
T-1000 = Liquid metal terminator in Terminator II
T-X = Queen be-atch of robotics

A marine would probably beat a T-800. The T-1000 Is a real problem though. Neither bolters, chainswords, fists, or even power weapon/fists i think would harm it, as it would just melt back. And remember it can change shape too, it doesn't need to on the shape of a humanoid. Maybe it would just throw itself at the marine, and melt into all the cracks and stuff of the marines armour, and kill him that way. Remember when i melted through the prison bars?

The T-X would outright kill a marine. Its WAY faster than a human, so i think it is reasonably faster than a marine too. Pluss, you have to penetrate quite deep on it before it wouldn't be able to melt its armour back into place.

[chaos0xomega]

You guys forget the T- 1million from the ever popular Terminator ride at Universal Studios, Orlando Florida. For those who dont know(I guess most f you), the T-1million is HUGE, is made of the same ligquid metal as the T-1k, and is far stronger, faster, resilient, and capable of morphing various limbs into various weapons. Commonly in the shape of a large preying mantis like insect. An army of them would be unstoppable, too bad the only one to ever exist was destroyed(presumably) when skynets main reactor(which it was standing on) was destroyed in a thermonuclear balst...

[mrspungebob]

As for the rest of the races, i believe DE incubi would kick some serious T-800 and T-X butt, especially with the aid of their archon. Not so sure about the T-800 though, i don't know how you would destroy those with conventional weapons. A blaster would probably do the trick. Or perhaps a haemonculus destructor, that would probably corrode the metal in a instance.

Also, i massive volley of necron gauss fire would bring down all of them i think. But i doubt you can count on them to help you