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Offline Jehan-Reznor

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New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« on: November 27, 2007, 06:47:52 PM »
Well it is a beginning of a squad, and they will be chaos off course as Hello Kitty is the individed chaos lord of cuteness.  ;D

The left i will try to make samurai like while the right, will have the same color as the head ;)
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2007, 08:51:50 PM »
Where do the tiny heads come from?
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2007, 10:23:36 PM »
IMO, it's very mocking of the hobby... kinda funny... but at my local GW store... it was something we don't joke about... but they are hardliners...

I've got a few things:


Strawberry Shortcake Marines... seen in person... IMO, it was better than Hello Kitty, because it's blatantly another company's product/tradmark:

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album134&id=apocalypse_12&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album134&id=apocalypse_13&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album134&id=apocalypse_30&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album134&id=apocalypse_47&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album134&id=apocalypse_51&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album134&id=apocalypse_70&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album134&id=apocalypse_71&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album134&id=apocalypse_91&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

http://www.dangerplanetgames.com/dpnuke/modules.php?set_albumName=album134&id=apocalypse_92&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2007, 11:39:42 PM »
oh my goodness, I think I just messed myself. Hardcore marine bikers with giant flowers? Yeah.

That being said, I'm not positive that hello kitty is any less of a complete and total copywrite infringement.

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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2007, 11:57:37 PM »
I could understand that brigade thing because the guy was bound and determined to make it and I salute him for both his serious guts and work, but your just making this for fun and it's probably not just me who thinks this is just plain wrong. You loose my approval man.  :(
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2007, 12:02:23 AM »
what would hurt more than getting killed by those?  :D

armies like that probably have a better chance of winning because you're too busy rolling on the floor.

I love it, I have two girls and every time I see pictures of this stuff I feel totally confident that I have just found the perfect way to get them involved in 40k. I think making an army like this because you think GW sucks or some other argument would be wrong, but if my little girl came up and said, "I want my guys to be pink!" then my princess is getting pink marines.
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2007, 12:08:35 AM »
Still:

pink marines (cough, noise marines, cough) =/= Hello Kitty.

Sure it's 'cute' and a medium to subvert children who like fuzzy/cute/stuff stuff, but it'll only stay in friendly games and not in GW stores...

It's like using LoTR models in fantasy or 40K, that's a no in GW book, and are not allowed in official events and photographs... Hello Kitty is more of an offender.

Plus Hello Kitty  is more offensive than just flowers and butterflys, it doesn't imply ANOTHER company's products.


Anyway, convertion and having fun is all good, but IMO, it's just 'wrong' after the initial ROFL.

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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2007, 12:58:44 AM »
I doubt I would go so far as to use hello kitty, barbie, strawberry shortcake, etc, but if my girlies made a "founding chapter", that followed a specific codex, and continues on to try and play some games or to go to a tourny, how could you turn them away? wouldn't that be discrimination? I don't doubt the army seen is in regards to a put-down of GW, but what right would you have to say that an army could not be played in an official game simply based on theme or appearance? Are you next going to say my dark angels aren't dark green enough? where's the line?

I know there's a difference between someone saying,"SM sucks, thats why they're pink and wussy" and then a person who wants their army to reflect themselves, my little girls aren't into the dark, brooding gothic stuff.
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2007, 01:16:24 AM »
Sanctjud if you do not like it, i will have the upper hand when we battle, And do not worry Sanrio is less problematic than GW, because japanese company like tolorate fan made stuff.

anyway i never play at GW events because i use a lot of old and Non gw things
and i would use it in GW stores as it is mostly GW

if you do not like those how about this?
http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=138881.msg1753750#msg1753750
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2007, 01:16:47 AM »
I'm saying specifically:

Hello kitty heads would not be allowed at GW official events... because it's another company's trademark/product.


In 'friendly' environments, the 'hosts' can do whatever they feel like doing... I'm not one to say... just personally the Hello Kitty thing is 'wrong'.


Pink Marines with flowers over them is fine... there's nothing wrong with that... what is wrong would be sticking another persons' intellectual property on something else and claiming it to be something else in official GW event is ... enough to get kicked out of say .... a GT etc.




As a note: the 'strawberry short cake" army I mentioned has only the name in common... all the things modeled onto it did not indicate any specific producer etc.

Hello Kitty heads, Barbie heads, are someone else intellectual property, and GW as well as store managers have a legal obligation to limit this cross contamination...

I'm just saying, at the end of the day, they can't get their pictures taken for any official GW event, or more like, they shouldn't recognize these models in a legal standpoint.

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wouldn't that be discrimination?
 Against someone who's breaking GW licencing agreements, it's a legal right ( in the case of using LoTR models in 40K/WFB.

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but what right would you have to say that an army could not be played in an official game simply based on theme or appearance?
 Again, it's a legal thing, you can't use something that is RECOGNISABLE on '40K' models.  Another company has rights to that 'barbie' head.


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Are you next going to say my dark angels aren't dark green enough? where's the line?
Well, you assumed that I was talking about appearences, I'm talking about the rule that at official GW events you can't get those models pictures taken... barbie heads are barbie heads, and GW is not looking forward to free advertising and/or an encounter with barbie lawyers, or with the LoTR lawyers when that situation arrises.

Also, I specifically said, IMO I feel it is wrong, but I also said
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Anyway, convertion and having fun is all good

Sorry if the flow of the writing is not fluid...

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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2007, 01:37:57 AM »
I get what you were saying about other trademarks/cross-contaminating, I just wanted to make sure my girl could still play. so as long as one avoids the big kitty heads, you can't really say much as far as play or not.

have you seen the "kitty dred"? it's the best one I've seen.
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2007, 01:42:11 AM »
It's not up to me, it's up to the store managers.  If they want to open that can of worms with you, it's their decision whether or not it's right or wrong.

Hey the law gets pretty freaky sometimes, sometimes for the best and sometimes for the worst.

As for the "kitty dred" PICS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2007, 01:50:58 AM »
while I was thinking about it, an army designed to show off sponsors like race cars would be pretty neat! If I made a bunch of marines, painted with the Pepsi colors, but instead wrote "Popsi" or something to that effect...

It would also depend how much you use of another licensed product, you could change things so much that hello kitty just becomes marines with big crazy animal heads on them. and as long as you keep the model 75% GW model, I don't know if they could do too much.
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2007, 03:48:20 AM »
yes a lot of ork and scratch people would not be allowed in the store, i think if they impose their I.P rights too much it will do more harm dan good.

anyway chaus should feel wrong, embrace cuteness or be destroyed, will be my battlecry :p
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2007, 11:15:12 AM »
It's not really "75%" rule in this situation.


The problem is that it is "RECOGNIZABLE" as Hello Kitty as opposed to some arbitrary animal head.


Oh, btw, the pics are down.

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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2007, 12:08:25 PM »
We know that's your two cents, you can stop bleeding well repeating it.  This thread isn't a breach of IP, and this thread isn't talking about the legality of making Hello Kitty Space Marines.  The relevant comment you've made to the topic of this thread is along the lines of "it feels wrong".  That's all we need to know, don't drag the point out with a load of the Udders of Thoth about the legality of using it in GWs and Tournies.  Last I heard Jehan lives in Japan and GWs are pretty scarce there so I doubt it's an issue we could care less about.
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 12:49:19 PM »
Ok, ok.  Sorry for derailing the thread.


PS, "My 2 Cents." is something I end every post...like a sig, but...er... not.

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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 06:42:03 PM »
arigatou, man from room five.
i did not believe a conversion would get such reactions, i never seen such reactions about the Hello Kitty sisters of battle. Anyway i will start to paint the right(in my first picture) one this weekend and the left has some green stuff treatment (my first!) i will show after my first base painting as i put this in the painting forum  :P
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP) (edited )
« Reply #18 on: December 3, 2007, 06:35:36 PM »
Oh my god a Double post!  ;D sorry put here some progress


First coating and did some work on the samurai kitty

did some work on the commander kitty
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Re: New Hello Kitty Marines (WIP)
« Reply #19 on: December 6, 2007, 05:11:04 PM »
Awesome! ;D
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Although as a personal note thats an example of the RAW that I would be inclinded not to enforce...

 


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