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Title: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Unite All Action on February 12, 2007, 09:52:13 PM
For those that know him he needs no introduction ,I personally bumped into him with Parak by my side a few years ago at games day.  For a long time now he has always been a flag bearer for all things imperial guard and this army is no exception. 

Check it out

Oh look! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pro-Painted-Warhammer-40K-1700pt-Imperial-Guard-Army_W0QQitemZ230090529323QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31399QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Fred's Space...Nowhere near the final frontier
http://fredreedpicsnstuff.spaces.live.com/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c

His Gallery definitely has some surprises that sets the standard high.
Oh look! (http://fredreedpicsnstuff.spaces.live.com/?_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaHandler=TWljcm9zb2Z0LlNwYWNlcy5XZWIuUGFydHMuUGhvdG9BbGJ1bS5GdWxsTW9kZUNvbnRyb2xsZXI%24&_c11_PhotoAlbum_spaFolderID=&_c11_PhotoAlbum_startingImageIndex=&_c11_PhotoAlbum_commentsExpand=&_c11_PhotoAlbum_addCommentExpand=&_c11_PhotoAlbum_addCommentFocus=&_c=PhotoAlbum)

Parak I'd bet you some of these bring back memories ;D

I tried making those links not screw up the page lay-out, but no luck. -Pax

Tried again and succeeded. Please remember to use coding so the links don't distend the whole page. -Pax
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Andro Ist Keine Schwedischen on February 12, 2007, 10:32:28 PM
I remember this guy.  He was in the mega-article in issue 213 (my first one, infact) of White Dwarf, along with about 10-15 other massive Imperial Guard armies.  Wasn't my favourite army, but it was quite nice.

~Andromidius
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: LeagueOfEvil on February 13, 2007, 01:01:56 AM
Post links like
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Makes it a lot nicer looking :).
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Col.Gravis on February 13, 2007, 04:52:49 AM
Hmmm its really niecly painted, but lacks anything more to make it stand out not worth £750 by a long shot not even £200's worth of models there!
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Parak on February 13, 2007, 07:38:53 AM
I sure have seen some of these things before. some of this stuff used to be in the 3rd edition guard codex. Fred reeds a really cool guy, I met him in 2003 at gamesday.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Andro Ist Keine Schwedischen on February 13, 2007, 08:41:22 AM
Hmmm its really niecly painted, but lacks anything more to make it stand out not worth £750 by a long shot not even £200's worth of models there!

You know, I was thinking the same thing.  It's only when you look at the closeups that you see the detail and attention put into the models - at a distance you'd never be able to tell!

Still, nice army.  Some rich kid will probably buy it to show off and then resell on EBay in a few month's time for half the price :)

~Andromidius
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: faithlessmonkeigh on February 13, 2007, 04:30:50 PM
he chose a horribly ugly colour scheme - the exact shades of colour he used were completely off... his skill as a painter carries it off, but only at close range where you can see it.

his converting leaves something to be desired also, look at the sandbags on the tanks... horrible.


the first thing i do when i get a new army is spend hours deliberating over the colour scheme, you need to get it right.

faithless

p.s, hes better than me by lightyears, which is what bugs me... he couldnt get the basics right
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: trooper stern on February 13, 2007, 10:57:14 PM
The army is fantastically painted, but I agree with faithlessmonkeigh the sand bags look like flattened peices of chewed gum.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: u9k13 on February 14, 2007, 09:34:10 AM
not bad but so not worth that amount of money.

And yes those sandbags are just awful. A decent sandbag takes a few seconds to make from modelling clay, I know I just turned out about 100 of the damm things last night for a terrain piece, to see such an awful looking attempt on models that price is just ridiculous.

The painting skill is quite good but I agree the colours seem a bit odd, but thats down to personal choice after all.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: DropFall on February 14, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
That army isn't pro-painted, not by a long shot. Its good, but not pro.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Dice_Junkie on February 14, 2007, 10:35:51 AM
i thought the sandbags looked like potatoes. lol. its a tater transport! RUN!

the men were detailed nicely, and he did good work on making the vehicles looks weathered.

but for 1500 bucks, i better be getting like 200 guardsmen, a buttload of tanks, and an autograph from colonel commisar gaunt himself ya know? i didnt even spend 1500 bucks on MY CAR!!
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Valhalla114 on February 14, 2007, 12:59:32 PM
Yeah i wasnt terribly impressed either. The guy is selling his name and thats it. He definitely full of hot air. Next.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Cpl. Lee on February 14, 2007, 04:36:26 PM
seconded.

the 'classic' cadian colours seem really exaggerated - and what the feth is with the RED eagles? you can see the exaggeration when you look at the plasma gunner.

doesnt get my money im afraid - sont get me wrong - the guys techniques seem half-down, but his colour choices are a little odd.

i'd pay that amount of money for something done by REAL legends like tom schadle (guys from the b&c might know him as commander Y - minivault anyone?), jakob rune nielsen or perhaps that babe that is victoria lamb (how can someone who can paint models that well be so Yhwh-condemned fine lookin  ???)

sorry dude,

Lee
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Unite All Action on February 14, 2007, 05:09:30 PM
Yeah i wasn't terribly impressed either. The guy is selling his name and thats it. He definitely full of hot air. Next.
seconded.
I get the hint of a little jealousy

you must all be blind, if that isn't pro then I do not know what is .Don't get me wrong some of your criticism is valid colour etc and the sandbags to look awful And I personally do not like the brightness of colour. But it is still pro

That sort of money isn't extreme after all it's a service he has to make some money ???

Why do you have any examples of a pro and their work
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Col.Gravis on February 14, 2007, 05:56:51 PM
I have to concur, I stand by what I said earlier, the army lacks conversions and anything really stand out special - the price tag is on that account over the top. However the actual standard of the painting is right up there with the best of the pro-painted gaming armies you see out there.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Unite All Action on February 14, 2007, 10:32:43 PM
I agree it's a good army but pricey
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Valhalla114 on February 14, 2007, 11:04:13 PM
Its no really jealousy but there are many painters that would be considered "pro" if they worked for GW. And no there arent many conversions or anything. I wouldnt mind paying out of my mind for this army if it was a complete army. The sad fact its like half an army.

And I paint like amphetamine parrot. Im not going to say he sucks for jealousy. I posted a GW original army a while back ago here:

Thread (http://www.40konline.com/index.php?topic=112410.0)

Ebay Army from GW (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8795002600&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1)

Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: trooper stern on February 14, 2007, 11:06:43 PM
This man needs to adjust his price to, at most, $800.  I have seen pro painted models, but they were also converted to give them a good fresh look.  This army is profesional but lacks charisma.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Parak on February 15, 2007, 06:27:20 AM
I have to say I do prefer the pics of the army Valhalla posted up. The new fred reed stuff isnt great compared to his older stuff. For example if you ever get to see some of his massacre at big toof riva tanks (including scratchbuilt hydra and recovery tanks as well as bigger things).
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Agamemnon-2.0 on February 15, 2007, 06:41:29 AM
I get the hint of a little jealousy

you must all be blind, if that isn't pro then I do not know what is .Don't get me wrong some of your criticism is valid colour etc and the sandbags to look awful And I personally do not like the brightness of colour. But it is still pro

Well, if you're going to insult other posters, I'd suggest you do it properly without weaselling out of it in the very next sentence. One can't help wondering if you have a personal interest in the success of this auction.

You want pro painting? This is pro painting: http://www.coolminiornot.com/119495 (http://www.coolminiornot.com/119495). What Reed has a is a decently painted army, sure, but it isn't anything especially interesting, and certainly not worth the price being asked.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: PaxImperator on February 15, 2007, 09:45:59 AM
eBay auctions: Still serious serious business.... I don't want any seriousness of that kind in this thread.

The painting's nice enough, certainly better than mine. I'd consider it high-grade tabletop quality. Be that as it may, the force lacks the customisation I'd expect in a display army and the army selection I'd expect in a gaming army. Add the price tag to that, and I pity the fool who purchases this.

Quote from: fredmasterpainter
Giving you a grand total of................1 731 pts... well well.... more than I thought LOL

Well, what do you expect when you arm your Storm Trooper veteran with 3 weapons and have your infantry platoons commanded by senior officers. ::)
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: the solitaire on February 15, 2007, 10:07:11 AM
That does indeed look like tabletop quality at best, even up close.

I offered my services for a 3rd of the money and painted larger armies (probably faster) at the same standard for that. (Guess I'm just daft. Could've been rich by now  :-\)

Anyways, the army is, in my opinion, not worth the money.
Now, if it was painted in this standard I would consider paying $1500 for an army:

(https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy96%2Fthe_solitaire%2Fminiatures%2Ffinalfront.jpg&hash=1035dda8fa720f7a7f6a7973dab4b219c760e5c2)
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Dr_Ruminahui on February 15, 2007, 01:46:37 PM
Doesn't "pro painted" simply mean "professionally painted" - meaning the person has enough skill that they could earn a livelyhood by painting?  If so, this meets that standard, though I agree with the complaints made above.

What I agree with is that it isn't "master class" or "golden daemon" quality.  Indeed, while it is solid, it is uninspired and apparently done by rote.  It has no "pop".  Part of that is colour scheme, part of it is lack of conversions (and those that are done, like the sandbags, are done poorly - sandbags have corners!) and part of it is that unless you are picking up the minis and squinting at them, the models look rather lack-luster.

However, IMHO, he can price the thing however he wants.  It is no insult to me - a seller can ask for whatever he or she wants.  Doesn't mean he won't be disappointed, as I agree that few people would pay that much for that army.  That said, all it takes is one, and if he manages to sell it, kuddos to him.

Inquisitor Psychologis Ruminahui
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Andro Ist Keine Schwedischen on February 16, 2007, 12:06:47 PM
Anyways, the army is, in my opinion, not worth the money.
Now, if it was painted in this standard I would consider paying $1500 for an army:

(https://www.40konline.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy96%2Fthe_solitaire%2Fminiatures%2Ffinalfront.jpg&hash=1035dda8fa720f7a7f6a7973dab4b219c760e5c2)

My painting isn't much behind that, and I only consider myself average.  Not to mention he's used far too much gloss, and the conversion is a little too over the top for my tastes.

To be honest, I wouldn't pay for a pre-painted army.  I much prefer making my own.

~Andromidius
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Cpl. Lee on February 16, 2007, 12:15:44 PM
seconded.
I get the hint of a little jealousy
Why do you have any examples of a pro and their work


well yes i do - as i said check out:

tom schadles on www.minivault.com (http://www.minivault.com)

victoria lamb - use google or look in most golden daemons

jakob rune nielsen - again check out most golden daemons...

thats pro standard for the right price - im sure if you checked out tom schadle's prices for squads and did some maths, it'd come out a little more expensive - but the quality and colour'd be SPOT ON!

a post wasted eh mods?  >:(
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Valhalla114 on February 16, 2007, 01:31:26 PM
Well I buy and sell tanks on Ebay. I buy the Russes and do em up in my white with red like mine and sell them back but for fractional fee. That could be my profession but it isn't. And I definately don't consider myself pro. This guy's paint is good but for me it does not stand out.

Either way I think this thread has gone a bit far off.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Cpl. Lee on February 16, 2007, 01:44:15 PM
seconded - i mean its cool and all talkig about a new ebay auction thats up - but i dont wanna look like im jumping on it for no apparent reason.

lets get back focused...

so who would consider an army deal on ebay - painted or unpainted?
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Unite All Action on February 16, 2007, 03:38:16 PM
so who would consider an army deal on ebay - painted or unpainted?
I Would consider it , armies on eBay are generally quite cheap having sold one myself. I am currently in the market to buy one
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Markay on February 16, 2007, 03:54:31 PM
I wouldn't consider an already built and painted army, thats half the fun for me and because of it I may end up feeling like I have cheated if I field an amazing army that someone else made. I hardly even play nowadays, I just convert and paint. Plus what happens when you wish to add a unit, you gotta learn to do it the same yourself.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: [dixon] on February 16, 2007, 04:43:32 PM
I'd love to buy an old metal IG army.  Painted/Unpainted doesn't really matter that much, as metals are pretty damned easy to strip and rebase.
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Unite All Action on February 16, 2007, 04:48:06 PM
 Here is the way that I see it

In or around £800  golden daemon :o

Top of the heap not seen very often but one scene never forgotten this. Will feature a lot of conversions excellent painting quality something about it but it on a different level in regards to all others. Makes you willing to pay top dollar for it, flawless in every way possible the balance of painting would be throughout the whole project would scream quality all those players privileged to see it up close as very few will. It will be likely that you will probably never see one of these in the flesh

In or around £600 professionally painted (Pro) ;D

A great pro job, that will no doubt be painted to the highest standard as well with conversions probably something that would win the best painting category at a tournament .These people should be aiming to win at golden daemon.

In or around £400 :D

This would be to have very good level with some hidden gems conversion and painting will no doubt be to a very good level the best of what you would probably find at the game's workshop store you normally go to and that most gamers will reach, in regards to his or her expertise.

In or around £200 ;)

The best of what a gamer will halve to offer it will no doubt of conversion work but this will not be polished not the same standard as the above as will the painting etc will be to tabletop standard the best of what you would probably find that most gamers will ever aspire to.

In or around £000  :-[

I think we all know what this category would be
Title: Re: Fred Reed Pro Painted Warhammer 40K 1700pt Imperial Guard Army Ebay
Post by: Col.Gravis on February 17, 2007, 07:32:33 AM
I've considered it, but when it comes down to it I'd never do it, I prefer to put together armies myself.