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The Eldar Path of Command
« on: August 11, 2013, 10:19:36 AM »
Introduction


Greetings fellow Eldar players, scribes, and aficionados, and welcome to the new Path of Command (PoC) for the Eldar boards.  This is the place where members of the Eldar community can find information on how the PoC works, information on current events on the forum, such as contests, and links to articles, commonly posted threads, or other threads of interest, on the Eldar boards.  The PoC thus serves as a index to help members to navigate the Eldar boards more easily, and a repository for useful resources.

What the PoC thread is not for is for the discussion of army lists, tactics, rules, background, or painting questions.  All of these belong in their respective boards, and need to be posted there accordingly.

Keep checking this thread to see what's happening across the forum, so that you don't miss getting involved with Eldar related threads.

PoC members can post links to contests, and articles, in this thread, in order to publicise their work.  Stand out work will be added to the list of useful threads below.



PoC Membership


The qualities of a PoC member:

Members of the Eldar PoC are experienced Eldar players, many of whom have not only been forum members for a long time, but have also played the Eldar for more years than they care to remember.  These members not only produce material for the Eldar community here, but also help new members with army lists, tactical questions, painting issues, and just about any other Eldar related issue you can think of.  Newer Eldar players are also welcome to join the PoC, and if this is of interest to you, then read on....

Joining the PoC:

Becoming a member of the Eldar PoC requires you to demonstrate that you have a good knowledge of the Eldar, and to be a regular contributor to 40K Online.  This is usually shown by helping others through helping them with their army lists, answering tactical questions, solving rules queries, showing a detailed knowledge of Eldar background, and/or producing your own material, such as through painting, or writing articles in the Eldar Project board.

Please do not ask to join the PoC - such requests will be deleted, and ignored.  We will find you, and invite you to join, based on the quality of your contributions to the Eldar community here.  This usually means that members of the Eldar moderation team will send you a PM if we think that you're making positive contributions to the forum, and ask you if you want to become a member, but experienced members of the PoC (see below) can also recommend members to the moderation team if they think that they have spotted someone who would make a good PoC member.  The moderators cannot be everywhere after all.

In addition to demonstrating a sound knowledge of the Eldar, adhering to the following guidelines is essential if you want to become a PoC member:

  • Follow the rules of the forum.  Forum members who continually break forum rules are not invited to join the PoC.
  • Be aware of the content of stickied threads, and FAQs.  Having knowledge of the information here is important for all members, but especially PoC members.
  • Using report to the moderator button.  If you spot breaches of the forum rules, use this button, and don't take matters into your own hands.
  • Be courteous to others.  We all like to think that our point of view, especially regarding tactics, and strategy is the right one.  By all means demonstrate your expertise, but do not be dismissive of other points view.  Treat others how you would like to be treated yourself.
  • Use proper grammar when you post.  Text speak is against the forum rules, and is very annoying to read.  Long posts with no paragraphs are also to be avoided.
  • Produce good quality articles.  This is one very good way to get noticed.

PoC Ranks:

Members of the PoC have one of the following ranks:

Farseer:

This rank is only available to moderators of the Eldar boards.  They are responsible for moderating the Eldar boards, overseeing the PoC, and answering questions which members may have.  They also send out invitations to potential new PoC members.

Autarch:

This is rank is for very experienced Eldar players who have been members of the forum for a long time, and displayed a very high level Eldar knowledge.  They have provided substantial advice to other Eldar players, been involved with producing articles, writing battle reports, or otherwise had a prominent role in making positive contributions to the Eldar community.  They are responsible for overseeing the runes system, and can also oversee the running of the PoC in conjunction with the Farseers.

Exarch:

This is rank for experienced Eldar players who have been members of the forum for a significant period, and have displayed significant knowledge of the Eldar army on the battlefield.  They have provided substantial help to other Eldar players with their army lists, strategies, and tactics, and/or have also been involved in producing tactical articles, or battle reports.

Warlock:

This is rank for experienced Eldar players who have been members of the forum for a significant period, and have displayed significant knowledge of the Eldar background, and other narrative discussion.  They have provided to substantial help to other Eldar players with background related issues, writing articles, and also may have contributed to helping with army lists.  Warlocks may also be members of the editorial team, who are responsible for proof reading, and editing, articles for the front page.

Aspect Warrior:

This is a rank for new members of the PoC.  They are relatively experienced or impressively knowledgeable newer Eldar players who regularly provide help to other Eldar players with any Eldar related issues which they have.

Infinity Circuit:

Former Farseers, Autarchs, Exarchs and Warlocks who become inactive or leave the PoC become part of the infinity circuit.  This is an honorary title to recognise their past contributions.

Other ranks:

The above are generic ranks for all those members of the PoC who are not affiliated to one of the big five Craftworlds.  PoC members who reach the level of Warlock, Exarch, or above, or have demonstrated, over time, a strong preference for a specific type of army list associated with one of main craftworlds, have the option to purchase a customised craftworld title (see below).

Note that some members of the old craftworld specific PoCs have specialised titles.  These members have been allowed to keep these titles, but they are no longer given out, so please don't ask for one.



Rising Through The Ranks: How To Progress Up The PoC


Promotion and demotion:

Rising through the ranks comes about as a result of meeting the guidelines above, and through continuing to show the qualities of a good poster, which were outlined in the previous section.  Promotions are posted in this thread by members of the moderation team, and are also decided by the moderation team.  Note, however, that Autarchs are allowed to suggest members for promotion to the moderation team via PM.

Note that you can lose a rank, or be ejected from the PoC altogether if you start to break forum rules.  Elitism has been a problem with some PoC members in the distant past, so don't fall into this trap.  Having a title does not make you exempt from following the forum rules.

Runes:

Runes are awarded by Farseers or Autarchs for high quality contributions to the Eldar boards by PoC members.  Any member of the PoC is eligible to receive runes, but again, as is the case with ranks, please don't ask to be awarded any, as this will hinder your cause, rather than help it.  Runes are awarded for the following:

Becoming a member of the PoC: 1 rune
Posting a comprehensive battle report, story, background piece, painting guide, tactical article in the appropriate board, and linking it to the PoC: 3 runes
Posting an article for peer review in the Eldar board: 5 runes
Uploading an article to the article database queue following peer review: 1 rune
Providing consistently good advice on helping other members of the Eldar community as a whole (i.e. not just helping PoC members): 1-5 runes (sliding scale, depending on the frequency, and quality, of help given).

Runes can also be awarded in other cases where the Farseers, and Autarchs, deem it appropriate.

Using Your Runes:

Members who receive runes are listed in this thread, so this is another good reason to check for updates here.  Once a PoC member has accumulated a certain number of runes (s)he can spend these runes in exchange for a craftworld customised rank in much the same way as outlined above in the ranking system.

Ensure that you choose carefully, for once you have opted to spend your runes on a particular craftworld customisation, you must remain loyal to that craftworld, and may not change your customised rank.

For those with the Aspect Warrior rank, the ranks listed below are available in exchange for 20 runes.  Remember, you can only choose one.

Alaitoc Ranger
Biel-Tan Aspect Warrior
Iyanden Wraithguard
Saim-Hann Wildrider
Ulthwé Black Guardian

For those with the Exarch or Warlock rank, 20 runes can be spent to place the craftworld of choice after either title, e.g. Exarch of Biel-Tan, Warlock of Ulthwé.
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 12:17:23 PM »
Members of the PoC


Farseers:

Irisado

Autarchs:

Exarchs:

f.desrochers (Wraithlord)
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Warlocks:

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Aspect Warriors:

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Ynneadwraith (Corsair)

Infinity Circuit:

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Bladewind
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Farceseer Syranaul
Farseer Lael
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Pathfinder
Prot
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Spirit of Kurnous
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 12:24:49 PM »
The Crystal Library


This is where you find links to important Eldar articles and threads.  It is divided into separate sections based on the category which it belongs to.  Consider this section our own version of the webway which serves to keep important material from getting lost.

Background & Fiction:

Building Eldar Army Lists - A Background Approach to Army Composition

Battle Reports:

Craftworld Design:

Design Your Own Craftworld

Getting Started with Eldar:

Expanding a Start Collecting! Craftworlds Box into a Basic Army

Painting and Modelling:

Eldar Corsair Army by Cavalier
Iyanden Wraithlist painting blog by Vonny
The Grizzly's Eldar by Grizzlykin
Ulthwé Army by Rx8Speed

Strategy and Tactics:

Corsairs: How to Be a Better Pirate



In addition to articles, other threads of interest on the forum will be posted in the following categories:

Frequently Posted Threads

The old list of FPTs
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 12:33:57 PM »
Here is it then.  After some considerable thought, and having listened to a variety of suggestions, this is the PoC for the Eldar.  Thank you to all those who submitted feedback during the drafting phase.  It's now over to all of you as a community to make this work.

Please make sure that you read the posts above.  If you have material to suggest for the Crystal Library, by all means post links, but please make sure it fits in to one of the categories, and is of good quality.  If you're not sure, by all means send me a PM first.

By all means make suggestions in this thread for ways in which to move the community forward.  What do we do well?  What's missing?  Do we need articles/threads on a particular subject?  Brainstorming here is allowed :).

I think that everything else is covered by the opening posts, but I'll just issue two final reminders about two points, because they have changed from the previous PoC:

1. Please do not post army lists in this thread.

2. Please do not ask to join the PoC or ask for a rank.

Finally, if you think that you're missing from the list of current members, because I've overlooked you, then by all means send me a PM, but genuine cases only please.  Sending me messages trying to get a title when you don't meet the criteria will not be appreciated.

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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 07:17:21 PM »
As the first Warlock to post herein... Let me proudly say - Suck my space magic ya durned, dirty Monkeigh!-.

On a more serious note, however, i think that everything looks sound, well explained and easy to follow. The only possible suggestion i would have would be for the Strategy and Tactics section of the Crystal Library... It may be prudent to divide it between tactics FOR the Eldar army, and tactics AGAINST particular armies (such as target priority, things to watch for etc). The two tend to be rather different, and would actually give the opportunity to include the Black Library (as a repository of most of the information of the enemies of the Eldar) in our own Library.

All in all, however, i am looking forward to forging ahead into a newer, brighter age of the Eldar on 40konline.
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2013, 09:07:59 AM »
Divisions along the lines you suggest will be implemented once we have material to put into those sections.

In terms of threads of interest, Adrastos has put together an article about the Vyper which is looking really promising.  It would be great if others could give more input on it, as we need articles like this for the new Eldar codex.
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2013, 11:35:33 AM »
Are the battle reports going to be migrated into the Battle Reports section (currently null link) or do you want us to do this?


If so, where do they go ?? :/


also,  wold this be a good chance to develop a battle report template??


In fact this goes for all the sections currently un-linked...
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2013, 06:26:26 PM »
I think that for battle reports we're going to need to establish some criteria as to the types of battle reports we would want to link to as good quality examples.  Clearly, a full report would be needed (i.e. a thread in Campaigns and Battle Reports, rather than just a summary in an army list thread), but should a full report be a turn by turn account with pictures?  Or is that too strong a requirement?

My opinion would be that ideally a full report with pictures would be the sort of reports that we would want to link to as examples to show off the work that the Eldar community does here.  By all means give your collective input on this issue though. 
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2013, 11:06:45 PM »
My opinion would be that ideally a full report with pictures would be the sort of reports that we would want to link to as examples to show off the work that the Eldar community does here.

Indeed. A battle report worth PoC kudos should have detailed descriptions and pictures. The pictures need not be studio quality, they may be using MS Paint or other as long as it's clear what's going on. A template isn't required. Just go to the Battle Reports board and see the examples there of what looks good and what works.
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2013, 07:54:55 AM »
Indeed the requirements of Battle reports should be as Irisado has suggested and Rummy agreed to.  The point of the PoC was to have a means of showcasing the best of This Eldar community and the gems that it has to offer.  Not to be cluttered with anything and everything.  In this case I feel that quantity is not a quality we are looking for.

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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2013, 12:20:47 PM »
I like the leaning toward quality, but personally I'd shy away from a strict formal template.  Someone might write up an awesome report that doesn't follow the template, or a crappy one that nonetheless follows all of the rules... If you leave it at "at the discretion of the active mods" then no one can call you on a technicality (which you could just ignore, sure, but its kind of unpleasant to have to tell someone to go jump...)

Guidelines, on the other hand, never go astray.  Just don't commit yourselves to "this is the definition of a good report".

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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2013, 02:03:52 PM »
Agreed.
Guidelines are almost always better than rules.

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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2013, 05:38:23 AM »
Ok so the word 'template' clearly imposes and strict set of rules in your hearts. Yes I agree that this would be naff and what I probably meant was guidelines.


The reason I introduced the idea was to make it easier for people to read battle reports.  some are pic heavy and thin of details others are walls of text.


Personally a turn by turn account, or even a blow by blow account is too much in my mind.  A more narrative account with a good smattering of pictures is better I think.


Fully agree that quality over quantity is the way forward.


Shall I have a go at drafting some guidelines for this groups perusal...??

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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2013, 07:54:01 AM »
I agree with everyone that we don't need a template per se, we just need a set of guidelines, basically to prevent someone from posting any old thing, calling it a battle report, and then trying to claim runes for it.

Arq, by all means go ahead and draft something.  If you want some ideas to build on, the Hive Custodian's sticky in Campaigns and Battle Reports might be of some help to you.
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2013, 10:36:24 AM »
Wyddr's recent batreps have been really excellent if you want to have a look.

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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2013, 10:47:29 AM »
Looking at it from a slightly different point of view regarding a template... Some people may find an optional template helpful, somebody trying to write a battle report for the first time who's not quite sure what to include and how to arrange it could benefit from a preset template that they can just cut and paste into.

Could just be how people view the word template, as a scratch builder the first thought to me is something that I can follow to achieve a result but can also alter to my own ends.

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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2013, 05:24:57 AM »

I think it's two fold really.


Firstly it should be presented well, We all agree on the quality aspect.
Sufficient detail should be made but also the fun and entertaining aspect should shine through.


But secondly I think a set of guidelines and a nod towards, but in no way a strict template would help and encourage those writting the Batrep.


One of the huge benefits of this site is the wealth of knowledge which we all collectively have. We have snippets of the insights to that knowledge in discussion but to see by way of members experiences what list they used and how they played we can learn from each other even more.


I'll go away and lok at the sticky Iri pointed out and to Wyddr's recent bat reps and see if I can come up with something.


This discussion is kinda going off topic so I'll post my thoughts in another thread. good idea?

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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2013, 07:13:29 AM »
Again not to flog it too much but the main point of a 'template' should be to encourage quality.  Not prescribe exactly how each battle report should read.  I for one enjoy the various different types of reports that we see on this site. 

For example Wyddr has done some fine work with what I shall call 'classic White Dwarf' style reporting.  Everything is Brilliantly clear and easy to follow with some awesome map explanation and links to picture.  This is a really good style for the author to expand on their tactical thoughts and explaining why they did certain things or chose certain units.

Koval and I are particularly fond of what I'll call a 'narrative' style where the main game is turned into more of a dynamic story line than a turn by turn account of this unit shot that unit.  We have some memorable characters thanks to these style reports and can follow things like his promotion of certain characters within his own background. Nod to Corporal Rummy.

Then we are starting to see Video reports popping up, of which I'm a big fan as I tend to have these on in the background whilst painting.  These are not very common although Rene seems to be putting up a few. These are great if done well, everything is clear, we can see the dice rolls and cringe when terrible luck raises its head.  This would have been good to show Killing Time's latest encounter against grey knights where a Paladin and Draigo save a ridiculous amount in one turn and the following Turn Killing Time fails almost every save he takes! This is the sort of extra seeing battles played out allows us.  yes these take a huge amount of time and effort on the authors part with editing and uploading so since we are awarding Runes for posting reports I think a premium should be offered to Videos due to the extra effort.

So as you see there are many different ways to skin a cat.  I enjoy each and like to have a variety.  Lets not get caught up in saying it must be done like this.  My thoughts for guidelines would be something like this. 
  • was the battle interesting enough to post
  • what style would best convey the game
  • Did I get good clear pictures I can use
  • Make sure you have taken notes of what happened each turn (nothing is worse than vague turn reports with inaccuracies
  • Can I impart my experiences/tactics used/ points learned to help others
  • Are models painted (I personally dislike reports with tides of grey plastic)
  • Use proper Grammar and spell-check please
  • Clarify everything (i.e. give a rundown of all the niceties... Both sides what lists were used, what is the mission and deployment, house rules, special home brewed scenarios etc

I mean there is plenty more to consider but I think any report that runs through this checklist would be a solid report Id enjoy reading or watching.

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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2013, 10:36:35 AM »
This discussion is kinda going off topic so I'll post my thoughts in another thread. good idea?

It's better to keep the discussion here, since it is a PoC matter.  I can always split the final guidelines off to a separate thread later if necessary.
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Re: The Eldar Path of Command
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2013, 01:20:16 PM »
As the "keeper of the teef" for the orks I have had to rule on many a battle report and whether or not it was toof worthy. First up is that the batrep has to be about orks. A WoTW member posting a batrep about his/her IG army fighting nids did not earn any teef.
  There has to be orks, so for this forum you might want to specify that qualifying batreps have to involve eldar.

A fine hair to split was when a WoTW member fielded his space marines against an non members orks, while it technically involved orks, it was not the member of the WoTWs orks and so I had to rule that it was not toof worthy. This may seem "common sense" to some and tyranny to others, but it is a rule you will find that you have to include.
 
Secondly, it has to be more than a statement. Posting a paragraph about how your 1500 points of army went against another army and won, does not make a batrep.
  Some things to include are an army list (with maybe a pre game picture). Exact points and gear not required but a general list so we all can see what was played with and against. Set up, deployment, and mission are also fairly essential to the batrep so those of us who read them can understand what was at stake.
  Then the styles of batrep are up to the individual author. Some like to write blow by blow, others a turn by turn summary, and others a narrative story. Of course there are many mixes of all the above. Then there are others who make animated batreps and video batreps that also involve one of the three types or a mix of them in the voice narrative.

Most include pictures of graphics to show what was talked about and I award more teef for batreps with pictures than for batreps without pictures. Something else you may want to consider as well.

I don't want to get too long winded on the subject as this is not my POC, but I thought I might throw in my two teef.

Hope this helps.
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