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Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC) Very Pic Heavy
« Reply #20 on: August 8, 2008, 03:46:59 PM »
Ok next update for all you wonderful people who are keeping me focussed and encouraged on this project. Here is the news...

The yellow on the right hand side of the vehicle is done.... yes thats right its finished.  When I last left you all I had finished the bad mon yellow highlight and had asked for some advice about how to get some better pics so that it doesnt look all washed out.  Well since then I have finished 2 further highlights on that area. 

Highlight 1: 60:40 Bad moon yellow to white.  This was a general highlight like all the other steps have been, using thinned paint (if its not transclucent then its not thin enough) over the previous highlights dragging the paint towards the edges to achieve the graduated highlight that I have.

Highlight 2: an extreme highlight of 50:50 bad moon and white.  Again thin this done... but not too thin because you need to have good control over where it goes.  I did this on most edges on all the panels to really make them pop and I think it looks beautiful right now.  But Id like you all to judge for your selves.








Hopefully you can all see the graduated tone. I really think that the extreme highlight has made the panels pop and accentuated the highlights and shading.  It gives an edge to an otherwise soft colour scheme.  Again I cant stress how thin the paints have to be to achieve as smooth a finish as possible... and that each layer needs to be dry before adding the next layer... luckily if the paint is thin enough you can blow on it to make it dry in seconds.  Also lastly on the yellow... I have attempted Glazing again on parts to tie all the shades together and with much more success than the blue... this was just very thin paint that i dragged over the shaded bits to lift them up a tiny bit... but what I learnt was that glazing is best done over small areas because you have more control over where the paint ends up so there is less risk of tide marks.

@Moc Do you see what I meant that the Golden Yellow base coat would be a dark enough shade?  I really think it looks beautiful and not too garish yellow.  Its a pale scheme but I think that if it wasnt pale and soft than it would bee waaay to over the top in your face yellow... and I have seen some Iyanden armies where the yellow is Waaay too overpowering.  Oh and I followed your advice about taking the pics outside and they have come out much better.

So where am I now? Well since these photos I have painted the right hand side of the hull up to the Bad moon yellow highlight.  I will take pics before I go any further with that but that will have to wait until morning because its too dark out to photo things now.

But here is a pic of it as it was one stage ago with a sunburst yellow highlight.



And I have also started the umm transport capacity extended hull bit which is on the Serpent.... This bit...


Thats up to a sunburst highlight there but right now its bad moon just like the top of the hull.

Still a long long way to go on this... im not even at halfway finished yet... I still have the entire left hand side, the blue bit at the back, the Turret which I think will also be blue to keep the balance between the colours and all the weapon options which will be wraithbone coloured.

Hope you all enjoy this update.


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Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC) Very Pic Heavy
« Reply #21 on: August 8, 2008, 06:28:37 PM »
The true light from outside makes a huge difference. Awesome looking and now that I can actually see the yellow better I agree that the Shade is deep enough. Seriously the Yellow is truely amazing overall.

Your blue looks dull in comparison; So one more highlight to the blue may be required.

I also like the Offset colour scheme you picked for the gems (they are exactly what was needed).

So great work overall, and I look forward to the next update.... Did you raed the stuff I fired at you in regard to the Battle Damage on the Base ?

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Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC) Very Pic Heavy
« Reply #22 on: August 9, 2008, 04:47:38 AM »
Yeh I read the stuff you said about painting the battle damage, and its going to be something I consider when I get closer to painting the base.  Im sure I will work something out closer to the time using the advice you have given me.

I do see what you mean by the blue but im not sure how I should fix this.. do I do a generic highlight? or do I do some extreme highlights aswell?

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« Reply #23 on: August 9, 2008, 02:24:24 PM »
Not to continue beating a dead horse, but absolutely stunning job with the yellow and the gems.  I'm actually looking forward to seeing your paint-job on the engines (moreso curiosity out of what colors you'll use and how they'll turn out).  Also, do you actually plan to paint the entire inside of the troop compartment?  It seems an odd choice to do now that this thing is glued together.
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« Reply #24 on: August 9, 2008, 03:42:25 PM »
I'm very much glad you've used my advice regarding yellow highlights from your Iyanden Farseer thread a few weeks back.  The yellow and white mix really does bring out the yellow in a whole new level doesn't it?

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« Reply #25 on: August 9, 2008, 05:27:23 PM »
For the blue highlights you can just add in some White to whatever colour you used as your last highlight colour, and do super thin layers (as it might take 2) to get the blend bang on...

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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2008, 05:31:34 AM »
@Bigboss, no I dont intend to paint the troop compartment.  I intend on gluing the door shut because my previous experiences with leaving the hatch moveable are not good.  They either hang loose so its not flush to the model (looks bad) or an over entusiastic observer plays with the hatch to look inside and breaks it... and since this isnt a falcon I have no worries about the nub that holds the turret and chassis together falling into the main body and making the turret loose.

I dont know whether to do a normal highlight or an extreme one on the blue... any advice or oppinions are welcome. I would be using an ultramarine blue and white highlight just to brighten things up a little bit.

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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2008, 09:15:55 AM »
Normal highlight over the blues, with some extreme highlights on the really really high spots.

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Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC) Very Pic Heavy
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2008, 04:53:43 PM »
Hey everyone, sorry that I havent updated this in a long while.  Unfortunatly I have been too busy to work on this much this last week (Playing sport, family outings and re-unions and my girlfriends grandparents 80th this saturday... etc etc)

But I managed to find some time tonight and have finished the top half of the hull and it looks beautiful.  All the yellow is shaded and highlighted and it makes for a very pale yet strikingly vibrant and pretty colour and I am soo happy with this... All the gems are painted and varnished and the orange tint of them makes for a great contrast with the pale yellow.

So all I have left to do is one more highlight on the blue areas and all the blue at the back and on the turret, the weapons options in bone, the base and highlighting the black areas.  Also I need to figure out how I should paint the engines, now on my other vehicles the engines are just black but I think I need to do something different with this one since it will be the starting point for my second Iyanden force which I want to be  competitive in tournament play both game-wise and best painted army wise.   So any ideas or suggestions would be great thanks... I am willing to try things new to me or out of my depth because this is how people improve.

Sorry there are no pics tonight but my GF has stolen the camera and its been too wet out for the last few days to take any pics at all... expect pics on saturday evening or sometime Sunday. 

Once again I want to take the opportunity to thank everyone who has commented, contributed, and helped me out on this so far, I would not have achieved as good a result without your encouragement and support and advice, way to show community spirit guys.

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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2008, 09:24:50 PM »
Tip of the hat to you Valar! Both the Serpent and it's base are topnotch works (the bases are my favourite). Really wonderful job.

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« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2008, 07:59:53 PM »
Great job on the yellow.  Those panels are just too nice.  I've been fighting the war on yellow now for so long with my Imperial Fists that I can't remember anything else....  I wonder how you go about covering over some of the places where the yellow ink pooled and left lines and such as you can see in the first stages and still maintain the lovely gradation from the deeper inkier yellow to the highlights.  I use flesh wash    -and golden yellow (as I'm sure you know) won't even cover over that so I have to go back over any trouble spots with white.  This sometimes ruins the aforementioned gradation.  You don't seem to have this problem.  How do you get around that or what are you doing to preserve the integrity of the deeper elements whilst getting rid of ink lines and blotches? 

Again, great job.

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« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2008, 08:06:10 PM »
@Webgohst:  The trick is that once I have done the Yellow ink wash I go all over this with 2-3 layers of thinned down Golden Yellow which then acts as my basecoat.  I dont leave any of the yellow ink showing at all its just purely there to strengthen the colour of the first few yellow coats to give a more vibrant colour... if I just did the yellow over white it would make it look paler and chalkier but the yellow ink really really helps make the colour more powerful.

Basically the trick is thinned down layers of golden yellow all over the inked areas leaving no ink showing.  Then from there is very thin paint highlighting up using feathering as the main highlighting technique.

Hope that helps, Ive been painting yellow for going on 4 years now I think so I have learnt through lots of trial and error and previous experiences.  I think I will post a pic of the first Iyanden Vehicle I ever paitned as a contrast to show how I have improved over these years.

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« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2008, 08:25:59 PM »
Thanks a bunch.  I've found (and I'm using flesh wash not orange ink) that golden yellow won't sufficiently cover over ink or wash lines and I have to go over with white again.  As evidenced by your photos it looks like it can be done though. 

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  Don't you hate that?  You never really learn how to paint your army until you are like 90% done.  I almost feel like completely starting over.

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« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2008, 08:33:17 PM »
Yes I do hate it lol.... and infact I am starting over again lol....(being a perfectionist sucks so hard)... I dont like my army build and I think I can do soo much better with a different list and make a much better appearing army (possibly even competitive at GTs for best painted army)... Im gunna do the same scheme but new 2000points army... Im loving Eldar at the minute and have IG incase I get bored so I think a second Iyanden army is in order anyway...

Gunna make me a blog of that one me thinks.

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« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2008, 11:05:30 AM »
Yes I do hate it lol.... and infact I am starting over again lol....(being a perfectionist sucks so hard)... I dont like my army build and I think I can do soo much better with a different list and make a much better appearing army (possibly even competitive at GTs for best painted army)... Im gunna do the same scheme but new 2000points army... Im loving Eldar at the minute and have IG incase I get bored so I think a second Iyanden army is in order anyway...

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« Reply #35 on: September 1, 2008, 10:57:34 AM »
   Oy there Valar! It's been some time but I guess you got busy on something else, school beginning anew and all, but Ô painter extraordinary, you haven't posted the finished Serpent yet!

   And I really, and I mean REALLY long to see the entirely finished model. I mean, plz, don't let us down just before the finish line, 'kay?

   And yeah, that was begging if you didn't noticed. :D

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« Reply #36 on: September 1, 2008, 01:52:56 PM »
Hahaha.... it feels good to be begged lol.  Well fear not my fellow spiritseer I shall not falter on this path.  This last week and a half I have been numerous short break Holidays with my girlfriend to Warwick and Dover but I am back on the case tonight.  All I have left to do is to take some pics of the finished blue, and paint the bone areas and base and take more photos and then I am done.  Sorry that this has been unproductive as of late but I will be back on course to finishing this as soon as possible for everyone here. 

Dont hold your breath but possibly pics tonight.....???

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« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2008, 04:37:25 PM »
Hello again everybody....

Wow its been a long time since I posted in this thread with an update but I vowed that it would be finished and the time has come to put my money where my mouth is and add the final touch to what I hope has been interesting/helpful/inspiring/or otherwise provoking thread for all who have read it and helped me on my way through this project.

So here we go: (i must appologise about the slightly fuzzy pics, my camera isnt the best and they were taken in less than optimal lighting today in my room, I shall hopefully update them with pics from my GF's camera asap)

The Blue and Yellow on the Turret and the rear door were done as previously discussed throughout this thread.  A final glaze of Regal blue and sunburst yellow were used on their respective areas to tie all the shading in and make it 'pop'





The Wraithbone was painted in stages using a layering technique.  I started with a snakebite leather wash over a white basecoat.  Then over this I used about 4 or so thin layers of pure bleached bone.  The next highlight is 50:50 Bleached Bone and Skull White using 2 thin layers, and a final highlight of pure skull white.  This is a very thin mixture using about 2 coats only on the very brightest/highest areas to make it pop again... I might go back with some snakebite leather later on for extra depth to the weapon but I am not sure and want some oppinions on this before i do it as otherwise Im happy to call it finished.







Now I cant remember if I have said how i do the gems at any point through this thread so here goes... bare with me if I have already said.

All gems are painted black, then over this I paint 3 quaters of the gem using thinned down red gore in a cresent shape.  The next stage is to paint thinned down blood red over the red gore leaving just a little showing (if your paints are thin enough it should blend in naturally).  Over the blood red goes blazing orange, again leaving some of the previous layers showing and finally fiery orange (now discontinued I believe).  Add a little dot of white into the top black part of the gem and after its try hit it with some gloss varnish.

I wanted to add some finishing touches to this model and really make it pop and for this i opted to use some transfers... they're simple but used in the right places and sparingly they are really effective.

So there we go... I hope eveyone who has read this finds it worth while, i enjoyed doing it and I will be doing another similar thread soon I think with my latest Wraithlord... it just helps to focus me on what I am doing and I like to contribute.  Please comment and critique if you so feel, and I hope you enjoyed it.

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Re: Painting an Iyanden Waveserpent (Blog for the PoC) Very Pic Heavy
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2008, 08:03:48 PM »
Overall i think thats a great looking tank you've got there, you should be proud..

just out of curiosity is the dynamic stand stable?

I find with most flying stands even with a normal pose they break easily :D

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« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2008, 04:37:45 AM »
Yeah its fairly stable but Ive not glued it into place, neither to the base nor to the tank just in case it does break and I have to replace it...

Ive not had good experiences with flying stands either, but I dont like how dowls look I like the see through 'invisible' effect.

 


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