Topic: [Split from another topic] Noah's Flood

[The GrimSqueaker]

The Bible says Noah didn't have to do that work. Animals just came to him. I've brought this point up before as well.

We also bought up the point of differing movement rates, environmentals, predators, lack of specialised food, and general nonsensical nature of that statement before as well. Yet the idea of a koala thumbing a lift next to a polar bear is amusing all the same.

[mrspungebob]

If the animals came to him, how did the animals cross the oceans between the continents? I would really like to see a coala swim over to africa.

[Benis]

Here we are again; if we decide to believe that God made all the animals come to Noah we assume one miracle, that a God did command all animals to move somewhere, than the actual trip can as easily be explained by another miracle. Maybe God made all animals able to walk on water, maybe God had them all teleported to Noah, maybe there wasn't any animals on the other continents before the flood etc. etc.

I fail to see how you can derive at anything from this kind of discussion, either you believe it is supernatural or you don't believe in it, sure it is annoying when christians try to prove the bible by science, the same science that they might dismiss on other occasions, but that how belief work; you pick what you like and go la-la-la when other things are brought up. It's like Randy Munchnik in Futurama who builds an ark when the polar ice caps melts filling it with same sex animals claiming: there are parts of the bible I like and parts I don't like.

[Emo robots, psycho ninjas, evil princes, and sadistic babies.]

Here we are again; if we decide to believe that God made all the animals come to Noah we assume one miracle, that a God did command all animals to move somewhere, than the actual trip can as easily be explained by another miracle. Maybe God made all animals able to walk on water, maybe God had them all teleported to Noah, maybe there wasn't any animals on the other continents before the flood etc. etc.

If we're considering God's part of the picture, why do you only need to assume a miracle? If God exists, miracles are atarimae, right? (Atarimae: Usual, common, ordinary, natural... I couldn't think of a good English word to describe it)

If the animals came to him, how did the animals cross the oceans between the continents?

Were there oceans between the continents at that time? Had Pangaea already broken?

[The GrimSqueaker]

Were there oceans between the continents at that time? Had Pangaea already broken?

Ah, yeah. Unless you want to expand the potential time frame of this event by many orders of magnitude. IIRC, the break up was in excess of 100 million years ago. Making Noah and his crew somewhat even more amazing in their construction techniques for the time period. 

[Emo robots, psycho ninjas, evil princes, and sadistic babies.]

Quite true. But no need to worry about the Americas; there was a land bridge to Russia about that time. And European, Asian, and African animals would be quite easy to just walk to Mesopotamia. Not quite sure about Australia yet.

[mrspungebob]

alot of animals and insect would freeze to death that far north though. Assuming you are just not going for an its-a-miracle explanation.

[The GrimSqueaker]

As well as not being able to find their required food and being preyed upon by anything and everything in the meantime, You know, the minor details.

[Full Metal Geneticist]

Here we are again; if we decide to believe that God made all the animals come to Noah we assume one miracle, that a God did command all animals to move somewhere, than the actual trip can as easily be explained by another miracle. Maybe God made all animals able to walk on water, maybe God had them all teleported to Noah, maybe there wasn't any animals on the other continents before the flood etc. etc.

If we're considering God's part of the picture, why do you only need to assume a miracle? If God exists, miracles are atarimae, right? (Atarimae: Usual, common, ordinary, natural... I couldn't think of a good English word to describe it)

If the animals came to him, how did the animals cross the oceans between the continents?

Were there oceans between the continents at that time? Had Pangaea already broken?

Er... the land bridge was around during the last ice age. Around the 10000 to 12000... And the land "bridge" is a euphemism. Its not a walking kind of thing. Its a series of land bridges interspaced by water. Humans can fjord it using boats. Animals can't since they are adapted for their surroundings. A elk would die horribly in the journey...

Pangaea broke up 65 million years ago... Humans have been around for around 15,000 years only. Not that long in the scheme of 65 million years. Not at all in the total range of 1.8 billion years.

We have been on this earth for just 0.00083% of the total time life has been around on this planet... Thats all.