Topic: Vulkan's Chapter Rule and Weapons involved.

[Canoness Luzza (Toogeloo)]

Vulkan's rule states that Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Meltaguns, and Multi-Meltas are twin-linked for his army.  My question is which weapons is this inclusive to?  Only those 4 weapons, or variants of those weapons as well?

For example, is Vulkan's gauntlet twin-linked since it fires "like" a Heavy Flamer, or is it not because it isn't one?

Other examples: Seraphim Hand Flamers (fire as a flamer), Combi- weapons (fire as a meltagun or a flamer, Ardent Blade (fires as a flamer)... I am sure there are lots of examples.

[Guildmage Aech]

If it fires as a flamer then its subject to all the bonuses and drawbacks of a flamer, ie, that Vulkan would make it twin-linked but the Avatar would laugh in it's face.

However it is limited to weapons on the list, if you fielded a forgewold dread that had an inferno cannon Vulkan wouldn't help with that because its not listed.

[Chuckles, The Space Marine Clown]

More to the point the new Land Raider Redeemer doesn't get the re-roll either.

[Canoness Luzza (Toogeloo)]

So does a Neural Shredder gains Twin Linking as well?  Without quoting specifically, that rule also says it fires like a flame weapon, though it does not specifically state Flamer or Heavy Flamer.

[Seattledv8]

Does it fire like a flamer or does it use the flamer template??  two different things

[Canoness Luzza (Toogeloo)]

Well, if this violates ToS, feel free to mod it...

The first line of the Callidus' Neural Shredder entry says:

The Neural Shredder uses the Flame Template and is fired just like a Flame Weapon.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

I would say no - it fires like a "flame weapon" but does not have the stats of either a flamer or a heavy flamer.  Therefore, at least to me, it falls into the same category as the Redeemer's sponsoons.


Inquisitor Psychologis Ruminahui

[Lorizael]

The rule says it affects Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Meltaguns, and Multi-Meltas: so those are the weapons it affects and no others.
If it said "flame and melta weapons" then obviously that would include more weapons. Things like the neural shreder are not flamers at all and just use the template.
Combi-weapons have flamers attached and so use the rule fine.

Why does it matter for flame type weapons that aren't in the marine codex anyway?

[Canoness Luzza (Toogeloo)]

The rule says it affects Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Meltaguns, and Multi-Meltas: so those are the weapons it affects and no others.

By this logic, you would elude that Vulkan's own weapon therefore is not Twin Linked since it is not a Heavy Flamer?

Why does it matter for flame type weapons that aren't in the marine codex anyway?

Because as his rule stands currently, he offers twin linking to anything in the army, which includes allies that have flame and melta weaponry.  Seraphim have hand flamer units that shoot "as a flamer," as does the Living Saint's Ardent Blade (not that this should ever come up since she can't be fielded as an ally).  Even the Neural Shredder says it fires "like a flame weapon," though I can understandably see Doc R's logic about it not being conduscive to flame weaponry stats and thus being barred.

[Black Sword]

Oh yeah, I've in a few places were people are thinking about Vulkan's Angels armies.  HF/Melta, VSS with Brazier of Holy Fire and a Combi-melta... Mmmmm... OR, HF/Flamer, VSS with teh Brazier and a Combi-flamer... With Divine Guidance... YIKES!!

I have already written the 1750 list and made sure I had the models... I'm using a Grey Knights Nemesis Weapon for Vulkan's blade.  I'm trying to figure out his gauntlet.  I'm thinking Lightning Claw, cut off the blades and perhaps attach a piece off of one of the really old plastic hand-flamers.