Topic: Are psycannons one handed weapons

[shmee shmee]

  Are psycannons one handed weapons to an inquisitor for relictors

[Uzzy]

Look in the Daemonhunters Codex, in the Armoury section. Youll find the answer there.

[Ratfink15]

It's 2-handed but GK treats it as 1 because they have true grit.

[Term`]

my understanding of it was,   it is a double handed weapon unless the person wielding it has terminator armour, then it is a one handed weapon.

[Ghaz]

It's 2-handed but GK treats it as 1 because they have true grit.

And where in the rules for True Grit does it say that it applies to psycannons?

my understanding of it was,   it is a double handed weapon unless the person wielding it has terminator armour, then it is a one handed weapon.

And where does it say that a two-handed weapon wielded by a terminator becomes a one-handed weapon?

Simply put, you can NOT use True Grit with a psycannon and it is a two-handed weapon, even if you're wearing terminator armor.

[DarkArchite]

Besides, "True Grit" also clearly describes which weapons this rule is applied to.

[Term`]

well the grey knight terminators manage to have a psycannon and a nemesis force weapon, so surely the one thing that sets them apart from those who cant manage this is the fact they wear terminator armour, and if u look at the models u will notice that it is infact mounted on thier arm enabling them to wield another weapon. For further confirmation on this I asked in my local gamesworkshop store, and they verified what I had said.

[[dixon]]

well the grey knight terminators manage to have a psycannon and a nemesis force weapon, so surely the one thing that sets them apart from those who cant manage this is the fact they wear terminator armour, and if u look at the models u will notice that it is infact mounted on thier arm enabling them to wield another weapon. For further confirmation on this I asked in my local gamesworkshop store, and they verified what I had said.

Yes...  Models can have 2 weapons, one of which can be two handed...   Grey knight Termis have two weapons, one of which is two handed...  But that does not change the fact that it is 2 handed and does not apply for 'true grit.'

[Hivemind]

It sounds like you're going a little too much on the appearance of the model Term.  In spite of their apparent size, Nemesis force weapons are one handed.  And despite the way they're modeled GK termies still consider a psycannon a two handed weapon.  And if you're having trouble wrapping your mind around those concepts consider that a storm bolter is also a two handed weapon, although it looks wrist mounted on the GK termies   

[Jezreel]

Yes...  Models can have 2 weapons, one of which can be two handed... 

can any model (that can upgrade) take 2 weapons - one being two handed?  thus the Inquisitor could have a Daemonhammer and a psycannon, or the regular GK Just take a psycannon and his nemesis?

[Ghaz]

can any model (that can upgrade) take 2 weapons - one being two handed?  thus the Inquisitor could have a Daemonhammer and a psycannon, or the regular GK Just take a psycannon and his nemesis?

Clearly answered at the top of the Armoury page in almost every codex.

[pudd]

Listen carefully peoples. ALL psycannons, no matter who is weilding one, are two handed, even if the model is only holding it in one hand, it still too big to hit someone with and recover for the next attack. Termies only need to swap their stormbolter for a psycannon because their armour gives them a bit more strength whereas normal grey knights need to swap both their weapons to take a psycannon because they dont get the extra strength given by termie armour.

[Daemonknight]

Listen carefully peoples. ALL psycannons, no matter who is weilding one, are two handed, even if the model is only holding it in one hand, it still too big to hit someone with and recover for the next attack. Termies only need to swap their stormbolter for a psycannon because their armour gives them a bit more strength whereas normal grey knights need to swap both their weapons to take a psycannon because they dont get the extra strength given by termie armour.

You forgot about the dreadnoughts can hold a psycannon with one of its arms

However guys, there the little fact that there are psycannon bolts which can be an upgrade for only bolt pistols, combine-bolter, bolters and storm bolters that have the same AP and ignore inv. save just like the psycannon from Daemonhunters codex pg. 18. I hope that answer your question.

[pudd]

But it would still count as a two-handed weapon because it cant be used as an additional weapon, and anyway, how many people do you see who have psycannons on their dreadnoughts, most put either assualt cannons or lascannons. And their from forgeworld so even less people get that because its too expensive.

[Daemonknight]

Yeah, I agree with you pudd, that psycannons are two handed for all troops save for terminators and dreadnoughts who can wield it with one arm

However I think people are confusing the psycannons with the one handed bolt weapons with psycannon bolts which is an upgrade for only bolt pistols, combine-bolter, bolters and storm bolters that have the same AP and ignore inv saves. 

Just trying to make it clear for everyone

[Ghaz]

Yeah, I agree with you pudd, that psycannons are two handed for all troops save for terminators and dreadnoughts who can wield it with one arm

And yet again, terminators can NOT wield a psycannon in one hand.  They require two hands just like any other model that can be equipped with one.  And whether a weapon is 'one-handed' or 'two-handed' is totally inconsequential when it comes to vehicles.  It doesn't matter.

[Daemonknight]

Yeah, I agree with you pudd, that psycannons are two handed for all troops save for terminators and dreadnoughts who can wield it with one arm

And yet again, terminators can NOT wield a psycannon in one hand.  They require two hands just like any other model that can be equipped with one.  And whether a weapon is 'one-handed' or 'two-handed' is totally inconsequential when it comes to vehicles.  It doesn't matter.

Please back up any claim with evidence, as I have the authority to do so:

Fact 1.  Terminators do wield a psycannon in one hand, it stated in the codex daemonhunter pg. 25 replacing the stormbolter with the incinerator or psycannon for some more points

Fact 2.  The Grey Knight Terminator with Psycannon blister pack contains one (1) Metal Grey Knight Terminator with Psycannon model.  All models are supplied unassembled and unpainted.


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[int main()]

Daemonknight apparently you have not read the Armory.It is specifically stated there that the psycannon is a two-handed weapon,because it is listed under 2-handed weapons characters may purchase.True Grit does not apply to psycannons because the rule doesn't specifically include psycannons.

[pudd]

Just because the model is holding it in one hand doesn't automatically make the weapon a single handed weapon. Often you will get a space marine sergeant who is holding a bolter in one hand and a combat weapon in the other but the bolter is still a two handed weapon. Its the same with the termies, even though a termie might be holding a two handed weapon in one hand it doesn't make the weapon a single handed weapon.

[Ghaz]

Please back up any claim with evidence, as I have the authority to do so:

Fact 1.  Terminators do wield a psycannon in one hand, it stated in the codex daemonhunter pg. 25 replacing the stormbolter with the incinerator or psycannon for some more points

Fact 2.  The Grey Knight Terminator with Psycannon blister pack contains one (1) Metal Grey Knight Terminator with Psycannon model.  All models are supplied unassembled and unpainted.

You want evidence?  It's simple:

READ THE RULES FOR THE PSYCANNON WHERE IT SAYS IT IS A TWO-HANDED WEAPON.

There's your evidence.  Now back up your claim that the way a model is sculpted changes what the rules say in the least.