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Eldar is next.
« on: October 8, 2017, 01:36:08 PM »
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So, time to expect elder chapter traits and strategems.

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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #1 on: October 8, 2017, 03:30:57 PM »
I half suspected that they would be next but I am very glad to hear this!
Though I doubt there'll be any Corsair love in the immediate future  :(
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #2 on: October 8, 2017, 05:14:57 PM »
I half suspected that they would be next but I am very glad to hear this!
Though I doubt there'll be any Corsair love in the immediate future  :(

Forge world does their own thing, unfortunately. A lot of their rules and points right now are pretty broken.

Most events I've been going to are banning forge world, as it's really unbalanced.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #3 on: October 8, 2017, 05:49:56 PM »
I half suspected that they would be next but I am very glad to hear this!
Though I doubt there'll be any Corsair love in the immediate future  :(

Forge world does their own thing, unfortunately. A lot of their rules and points right now are pretty broken.

Most events I've been going to are banning forge world, as it's really unbalanced.

Yeah to be honest a lot of their rules from the indexes seem like they've been thrown together pretty quickly. There are some options available that seem utterly ridiculous and then some that genuinely have me scratching my head at. I doubt I'll get a huge amount of use out of my Lynx until they update it.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #4 on: October 8, 2017, 06:05:45 PM »
I'm really excited. The current 8th edition rules put Eldar in a certain place, which isn't bad, but I'll be much happier once a few things get ironed out.

I wonder how decisions like Craftworlds / Ynnari will be worked out. Right now Strength from Death is a bit wonky. Plus, with so many special rules that are army or detachment specific, spread out over different publications, it's harder to trust your opponent gets them right.

I happen to be getting back in 40k, and I'm going to be using Eldar to find myself again. It's always good to get back in right before a new codex drops.

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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #5 on: October 8, 2017, 06:53:11 PM »

Yeah to be honest a lot of their rules from the indexes seem like they've been thrown together pretty quickly. There are some options available that seem utterly ridiculous and then some that genuinely have me scratching my head at. I doubt I'll get a huge amount of use out of my Lynx until they update it.

It is a shame, as the models are fantastic.

I'm really excited. The current 8th edition rules put Eldar in a certain place, which isn't bad, but I'll be much happier once a few things get ironed out.

I wonder how decisions like Craftworlds / Ynnari will be worked out. Right now Strength from Death is a bit wonky. Plus, with so many special rules that are army or detachment specific, spread out over different publications, it's harder to trust your opponent gets them right.

I happen to be getting back in 40k, and I'm going to be using Eldar to find myself again. It's always good to get back in right before a new codex drops.

Strength from death is really powerful, that's for sure. But, at least now you'll have to weigh in loose craftworld traits, warlord traits, extra psychic powers, relics and stratagems over taking Ynnari.

I am really hoping when the Ynnari book comes out, they make it a unique faction, instead of just borrowing from everyone else lol. It's been 100+ years since the gathering storm, I'm sure that's enough time to give them their own identity.

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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #6 on: October 8, 2017, 08:06:10 PM »
Yeah to be honest a lot of their rules from the indexes seem like they've been thrown together pretty quickly.

Whaaaaat? Weren't they crafted from the finest minds 40K had to offer? Tired and true tourney operators who have loved this game like a third or fourth child? People who were experts as to how each army operated as they had been there in the trenches like us and knew just how things were supposed to happen? I'm aghast and dismayed.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 01:22:52 PM »
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2017, 02:15:01 PM »
Some of that sounds interesting, but I'm wary of the whole bring back the Craftworlds agenda.  I think that the most exciting part of the release is the fact that they're going to bring back some of the Rogue Trader Eldar models for a week.  That is something that I am definitely going to take a look at.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2017, 02:46:52 PM »
I'm annoyed as I just tracked down a classic Farseer (pointing with sheathed sword on his back).  Was quite happy even with all the paint glomped on it, now I could have had a brand new one!  First world problems...

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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2017, 03:58:07 PM »
I'm super excited! Always feels good to get some codex love. Also, those white and blue dice? Amazing.

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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2017, 04:18:49 PM »
Some of that sounds interesting, but I'm wary of the whole bring back the Craftworlds agenda. 

How is that a bad thing? People have been wanting craftworld rules back since the 3rd edition codex was retired.

Looks like the book is following the trend of no new models, just new rules. I imagine that the rest of the 'established' factions will be the same (at least until all the books are out).

I'm still hoping that they eventually expand Ynnari into it's own faction, instead of just borrowing units from everyone else. Has a lot of potential to be really interesting.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2017, 04:22:47 PM »
I hope there is a lot more to come, because the psytronome is not that reassuring.
Eldar seems to have become more suicidal than orks.

Regarding the dice, they might look good on the shelf, but are quite unpractical due to being harder to read.

The re-relesae of models is nice, however it might just be a cover up, for not making new stuff, especially with the wraithguards being the poster boys for eldar... again.

I thought the nids would get their dex first, but maybe there might be a campaign box with nids & eldar by x-mas.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2017, 04:53:45 PM »
Orks aren't usually suicidal. They're more tactically enthusiastic. Wait and see what this week's reviews provide. Should have five days of low level spoilers just like the other codex releases.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2017, 06:22:49 PM »
How is that a bad thing? People have been wanting craftworld rules back since the 3rd edition codex was retired.

Some people have been asking for this, others, including myself, have not.  The reason being is that the balance, both internal and external in the third edition 'book' was poor to put it mildly, and the last thing that I want to see is anything that is as abusable as the Ranger disruption table used to be.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2017, 08:24:06 PM »
I will say that relative to fixes for points costs for certain units like Dire Avengers and Support Batteries (both of which are unplayable now due to very high points costs) I don't have a high priority for things like craftworld rules. If Eldar Craftworlds just get the same kind of stuff that Space Marine Chapters or Admech Forge Worlds or IG Regiments get-- a couple custom strategems, and some basic army-wide rules, etc-- I'd be ok with this, as long as we have a wide variety of playable units. As-is, it feels like Dire Avengers just don't perform well enough or are significantly over priced, and it's also tough to justify Support Batteries and a couple other choices. Beyond that, a few other units feel situational, and some units are worse than others while costing more (Fire Prism performs less well against every all enemies in every profile than Night Spinner does, while costing more).
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Re: Elder is next. (iyanden revealed)
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2017, 05:52:40 AM »
well, so far we know nothing about the new stratagems, special craftworld rules or relics other than the (rather mediocre) craftworld Iyanden relic. While that relic makes me sad (I have such pretty yellow and blue models, I'm not gonna put d3 mortal wounds on them! I did expect this coming out.

I mean, they have marine chapter tactics, forgeworld dogmas, and whatever the guard equivalent was already. The only codeci they haven't used this one are death guard and grey knights - which is likely because they are already specialised as it is.

I fully expect the tyranids to get hive fleet evolutionary digressions, and so on. I think it would be nice from a fluff perspective, but of course, people will still be going "oh, but this other rule is much more advantageous... these red-painted guys with teardrops and wings everywhere are actually raven guard!"

So yea, while I like the idea behind it (as I love more fluffy additions to any army), it will of course just be used for rule advantages as ever.

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Now the Iyanden focus is up. I'm not sure what to think of it, though I'm happy my wraithguard and lord will toughen up a bit, and certainly happy the spiritseer has become more viable.
I'm just not too sure of the value of the iyanden attribute. But well, we'll make do.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2017, 10:57:57 AM »
The Iyanden attribute looks great. Imagine it not just for the mentioned Wraithknight example, but for Wraithlords in combination with a now buffed toughness of 8. They will be valid selections for a wraith army again.

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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2017, 11:51:49 AM »
I agree Bego. Looking super solid, especially with that -1 to wound roll. All of a sudden those dudes are looking super tough. Love that Wraithblade + Empower + Psytronome is INSANE. Thats a phenomenal was to butcher screens and get at the juicy targets.

I'd be sorely tempted to try this out with the Ghost Wing of my army.
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Re: Elder is next.
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2017, 12:36:57 PM »
A foot list using multiple squads of guaridans back up by wraith units is now quite a bit more appealing.

I'm very happy Lords got T8 back, however the penalty for moving and shooting heavy weapons still makes them unappealing.

 


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