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Friend Needs help
« on: December 21, 2004, 06:57:32 PM »
He can't seem to beat my Eldar army, no matter how ahrd he shoots he never kills me, He fields, two boyz squads, a Battlewagon, Stormboys, a Warboss with guards,and some Kans  all he does is shoot and try to run up to me, he concetrates on my Falcon and Gurdians, so this is what happeneds, I Shoot down his squads, he comes up to my guys, there so little left  that my Gurdains CC them to death, please tlel me what to tell him, h e's losing faith in his orks hahaa
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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2004, 08:19:40 PM »
Post his entire lst and I'll take a look at it. But from the sounds of it he has yet to grasp the concepts and tactics of Orks.

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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2004, 08:23:34 PM »
I think your friend needs more boyz, orks being a horde army and all...
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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2004, 10:12:27 PM »
Hmm might be off, he's in Alaska rihgt now but here goes, I don't know eveything and the points costs so help me out hahah here it is:

HQ:

Warboss:
Bodyguards: 3
Mega Armour

Elite:
Stormboyz:
Mob:6


Troops:
Shoota Boyz:
Mob: 27 I think +1 nob
Equipment: Big Shoota X3

Slugga Boyz:
Mob 28 I think +1 nob
Equipemnt: Big Shoota X3

Grot Mob:
Grots: 12 + 1 slaver

Heavy Support:

Kannon:
Mob 1
Lobba

Killer Kans:
Squad: 3
Weapon: Big Shoota X3

Battlewagon:
Weapons: 5 Bolt-On-Big Shootas, Zzap Gun,


Thats what I think it is, I'll repost his accautly armylsit when he returns
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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2004, 10:17:24 PM »
He's gone for a very ineffective shooting list. Once we have a completed list, I'll be able to set him in the right direction if he want's to continue to have some shooting in his list.

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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2004, 09:00:10 AM »
well his HQ is illegal if it only has 3 nobs.

he should try this if he wants to beat eldar

2 squads of 7 warbikes each.  these guys will outshoot most eldar squads and be able to outrun them. 

or if he can't afford that, try 3 trukks full o boys and give them a burna in each squad. 

the storm boys are to expenisive for a small squad!!!

but i do agree with scyth post the full list and we can make more effective comments.
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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2004, 09:04:52 AM »
I know this is off topic, but Frgsinwntr are you incapable of posting my name right it's 'Scythe' or in your post 'Scythe's', not 'Scyth'.

On to the topic at hand. I wouldn't bother commenting to much on this list until Abyss clarifies everything.

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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2004, 12:12:14 PM »
ok got it:

HQ:
Warboss
5 Bodyguard
3 Mega armour,

Elite:

Stormboyz:
6 Boyz


Troops:

Shoota Boyz

28 Boyz

Big Shoota X3



Slugga Boyz
Mob:27
Big Shoota X3


Tank Bustas:
Mob 12
Transport: Battlewagon

Heavy Support:

Grot Kannons
Mob 1
Crew:5
Weapon: Lobba

Killer Kans:
X3
X3 Bigg shooota

Battlewagon:
Zzap Gun, Big Shoota X5


This is his army list,




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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2004, 08:33:13 PM »
That still doesn't tell me alot. I need what wargear anything has. Also post the list so it's actually easily to read (Just look at my Bad Moon Army thread for how a list should be presesnted.)

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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2004, 06:55:01 AM »
Ok sorry let me try again  :D

HQ:

Warboss
Weapons: Big Shoota, Power Claw
Wargear: Mega Armour

Nobz Retinue:
3 Nobs: 3 Mega Armour, 3 Power Claw, 3 Big shoota
2 Nobs: 2 Big Shoota, 2 Chopa


ELITES:

Stormboyz:
Unit: 6 Boyz
Weapons:  Slugga & Choppa


TROOPS:

Slugga Boyz:
Unit: 27 Boyz + Nob Leader
Weapons: Slugga & Choppa, 3 Big Shootas
Nob: Big Shoota, Choppa


Tankbustas:
Unit: 8 Tankbustas, Nob Upgrade
Weapons: Sluggas & CCW,Tankbusta Bombs,
Nob: Big Shoota, Choppa


Shoota Boyz:
Unit: 28 Boyz + Nob Leader
Weapons: Shoota, 3 Big Shootas
Nob: Big Shoota, Choppa



HEAVY SUPPORT:
Battlewagon:
Weapons: 2 Twin-linked Big Shootas, Zzap Gun
Upgrades: 5 Bolt-on Big Shootas,

Dreadnought:
Weapons:  3 Skorcha, Big Shoota


Killerkans:
Unit: 3 Kans
Weapons: 3 Big Shootas

ok here it is anything wrong with the list?








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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2004, 07:45:33 AM »
Firstly I'll point out the only problem with the legality of the list
- Mega Armour comes with a Shoota & Power Claw. You cannot change these weapons other than making the shoota a Kustomised Shoota and/or give it one of three Kustom weapon options.

Now on to the list.
- First and for most he has Big Shootas for everything, talk about a big no no.
- He needs to start giving a more variety of weapons to units.
- Nobz in the Warbosses Retinue shouldn't have a two-handed weapon usually, unless in Mega Armour.
- Nobz leading mobz should be equipped to compliment the mob. Ex. A Tankbusta Nob should have a Rokkit Launcha brought from the armoury, as it adds one more Rokkit to the unit. Slugga Nob should have a Slugga & either a Power Claw or Choppa.
- Always, always buy weapon options that compliment the unit. Ex. Slugga Boyz should have 3 Burnaz as they are extremely useful in close combat, not to mention at close range fire fights.
- Tankbustas without Rokkit Launchas' is a joke. Your wasting the ability to have S9 weapons that you can move and fire with.
- A Dread without at least one Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon (DCCW) is a waste of points. Besides you can't have 3 Skorchas as each weapon over and above the 2 minimum must make a current weapon twin-linked. You can't twin-link a Template weapon. For the dread take a Skorcha & Big Shoota with the 2 DCCW.
- Nobz should almost always buy Eavy Armour from the armoury.
- The wargear options in the Ork armoury should not be overlooked.
- Vehicle upgrades such as Armour Plates & Grot Riggers are useful, so use them.
- Mobz over 10 models strong should always take 2/3rds of there max size. The Stormboyz then should have at least 13-14 models.

That's all I can think of currently to do specifically with that list. How I would completely change the list (different units etc.) I won't post unless asked. Also I believe other people will post more.
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« Last Edit: December 23, 2004, 07:49:27 AM by The Insane Inquisitor Scythe »

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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2004, 08:08:56 AM »
Drop the Stormboyz.  6 of them is not enough to even put a scratch on any enemy.

I see most of his army will be footslogging.  That could be bad.  Try to get trukks or wartraks.  It helps immensely in many cases.  Consider at least a transport for the warboss and his retinue.  I would consider dropping the Dreadnaught and something else just to get another mob of sluggaboyz.  The main ingredient in ANY ork army is boyz.  The more you have the better off you are.  The 'mob up' rule is very effective so long as you have plenty of boyz. 

And tell him not to feel too discouraged.  When I first started out with my orks I lost ten games straight until I figured them out a bit better.  I learned that boyz are all you really need.
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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2004, 04:51:08 PM »
Please post one I'd like to see a good armylist, keep in mind I dont play orks haha
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Re: Friend Needs help
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2004, 03:07:33 AM »
"The Insane Inquisitor Scythe " seems to have covered everything in great detail  my suggestion to your friend at this point would be to buy the codex.  : )

some good ideas on making lists can still be found in my tactica thread. 

mayhaps you can post your eldar list so we can make sure there aren't any problems with that list too : P

i would try a basic list like "The Insane Inquisitor Scythe "'s  flash gitz.  he has alot of experience with orks and although his play style differs from mine, he can put out a few nasty lists.  like his shooty dreadnaught : P
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