Topic: [NM]500pts Ultramarines

[truehero]

for 500points i always say 'numbers, numbers, numbers'
in a 500 point game with marines it is better to have the manpower as there will be less in the opposing force that can deal with your power armor
i tend to take a list similiar to the one Wuestanfux posted as it has the number as well as a little firepower

[Gopher]

Okay, how bout this:

HQ-90 pts.
Captain
Power Weapon
Plasma Pistol

Troops- 170pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun
1 Missle Launcher

Troops- 170pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun
1 Missle Launcher

Fast Attack- 70pts.
Landspeeder Typhoon (HB w/ TL ML)

Total- 500pts. exactly.

[Wuestenfux]

Okay, how bout this:

HQ-90 pts.
Captain
Power Weapon
Plasma Pistol

Troops- 170pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun
1 Missle Launcher

Troops- 170pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun
1 Missle Launcher

Fast Attack- 70pts.
Landspeeder Typhoon (HB w/ TL ML)

Total- 500pts. exactly.

Well I have several problems with this list.
Firstly, I never give a leader a plasma pistol. It gives a 'trivial bonus', i.e., you cannot use it that often, and your leader can be wounded. Your leader needs frags!

Secondly, I don't like the configuration of the tactical troops. You configured two more or less static units with lascannons. For this, 6 men are sufficient. On the other hand, you included a Vet Sergeant w/ power fist and so the squads needs some mobility. Saying it differently, the squads are outfitted for shooting and also geared towards close combat. I suggest to drop the lascannons. Then you have two mobile units. In this way, you can also make use of the bolters in the squad (rapid fire at 12'').

Thirdly, the LS Tornado is the best LS in the game.

[Gopher]

Need some help filling out the last 33pts.

HQ-77 pts.
Captain
Power Weapon
Bolt Pistol
Frag Grenades

Troops- 160pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun

Troops- 160pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun

Fast Attack- 70pts. ( I like it too!)
Landspeeder Typhoon (HB w/ TL ML)

Total-467pts

Thnx.

[truehero]

this list seems perfect for small games, as long as you dont let the enemy out manuever you, i suggest deloying on one flank and forcing hiim to come to you, this way you can cancel any mobility that they have over you, plus you firepower/charges will be more concentrated=more deadly

[Dangonblane]

Landspeeder Typhoon (HB w/ TL ML)

Be careful you don't fall into a trap here.  A Typhoon is not armed with a Twin-linked Missile Launcher.  It has it's own Typhoon Missile Launcher which is not as flexible.  For a 500 point list I'd recommed a Tornado with HB & AC, you'll probably find it performs better.

As for the last 33 points, how about an Iron Halo fo your Captain and frag grenades for both tactical squads?

[Gopher]

Landspeeder Typhoon (HB w/ TL ML)

Be careful you don't fall into a trap here.  A Typhoon is not armed with a Twin-linked Missile Launcher. 

Um...Yes it is.  Page 36 of the SMurf codex states that the Typhoon may add a multiple missle launcher, and that it is Twin linked.

I think this is going to be my list: (EDIT-argh...I'm stlil working on it...but until(if) i get my new list up, here's my current runner:)

HQ-107 pts.
Captain
Power Weapon
Bolt Pistol
Jump pack
Bionics
Frag Grenades
Melta Bombs

Troops- 160pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun

Troops- 160pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun

Fast Attack- 70pts.
Landspeeder Typhoon (HB w/ TL ML)

Total Cost: 497 pts.

[Gopher]

This next list is my current preference.  I tried to fit 25 models in.  I was like, who can deal with that in a 500pt game.

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HQ- 240pts
Master
Power Weapon
Bolt Pistol
Frag Grenade
w/ Command Squad
8 Marines (6x Bolters)
2 Plasmaguns
8 Frag Grenades

Troops- 130pts
8 Marines (7x Bolters
1 Plasmagun

Troops- 130pts
8 Marines (7x Bolters
1 Plasmagun

Total- 500pts

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I am between a rock and a hard place, because I do not know if I should give my Command Squad or Sergeants BP's & CCW's or leave as bolters. 

My goal was to have 3 squads that could move, fire, and possibly assault every turn, take out armour, and every other possible unit. 

Even though I was not Powerfist deliverin', I don't know if I should still change to the BP & CCW.

Thanx.

[Warboss Waaazag]

Landspeeder Typhoon (HB w/ TL ML)

Be careful you don't fall into a trap here.  A Typhoon is not armed with a Twin-linked Missile Launcher. 

Um...Yes it is.  Page 36 of the SMurf codex states that the Typhoon may add a multiple missle launcher, and that it is Twin linked.

Not to totally convolute this discussion with quotes of quotes of quotes, but...
I think the point he was trying to make is that the Typhoon is not armed with a twin-linked missile launcher (a missile
launcher being able to fire both frag and krak missiles), but with a twin-linked Typhoon missile launcher (which only
fires typhoon missiles). In both cases yes, twin-linked. However the regular missile launcher IS more tactically flexible.

I would agree that you would find the HB and AC far more effective in small point games. Especially given that you will be on
a smaller table, meaning your shorter range weapons will be just as, if not more so, effective.

[Wuestenfux]

Power fists can be essential in a SM army as you may face tougher opponents like a Dread or a Wraithlord. In your last list, none of your Marines can take a Dread or WL down in CC.
By the way, bionics is a waste of points.

[Gopher]

Power fists can be essential in a SM army as you may face tougher opponents like a Dread or a Wraithlord. In your last list, none of your Marines can take a Dread or WL down in CC.
By the way, bionics is a waste of points.

Why can't I just shoot them before I get there?

And I had extra points, so I also could include an aupsex for 2, but I was just filling up points.  If it is that much of a waste, fine, I'll take it out to have even more unsused points.

[Evil Ninja]

This list:

HQ-107 pts.
Captain
Power Weapon
Bolt Pistol
Jump pack
Bionics
Frag Grenades
Melta Bombs

Troops- 160pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun

Troops- 160pts.
8 Marines
1 Sergeant included w/ Power Fist and Bolt Pistol
1 Plasmagun

Fast Attack- 70pts.
Landspeeder Typhoon (HB w/ TL ML)

Total Cost: 497 pts.

Looks a lot more confident then your current one. You lose mobility and harrasing power with your footman list. Also, give your commander an Iron Halo. All that crap on him will not do a whole lot but the Halo will increase his survuvability by a  lot.

[Gopher]

Alright, alright.  Once and for freaking all, this better be the list to end all lists.

This next list is my current preference.  I had an extra 5 points so I gave the Captain a Melta Bomb

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HQ- 92pts
Captain
»Combat Shield
»Bolt Pistol
»Power Weapon
»Frag Grenade
»Melta Bomb

Troops- 168pts
8 Marines (6x Bolters)
»Frag Grenades
»Veteran Sergeant (Bolt Pistol)
»»Power Fist
»1 Plasmagun

Troops- 160pts
8 Marines (6x Bolters)
»Veteran Sergeant (Bolt Pistol)
»»Power Fist
»1 Plasmagun

Fast Attack- 80pts
1 Land Speeder Tornado (Heavy Bolter)
»Assault Cannon

Total- 500pts

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Thanx.